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| wow talk about being ignorant, those guys getting massacred shouldve just left DUH!!! |
| I <3 this episode. Although both parties did suffer tragic losses during their war, to redirect the suffering to that 3rd party...it makes you wonder what the value of a life really is...and what cost peace and humanity takes. In all of honesty, I like how Kino stays neutral in situations like these, but at the same time...if you put yourself in her shoes, it feels so damn hard to stay in that position. >.<; |
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| I'm sorry if I was Kino I would have to fix this situation, sometimes you have to try to save your fellow man, and this is a time. I can't stand that, if you have a war fight it yourself, not fighting is a cowardly act. Normally with this show I can see both sides but this time I feel nothing for the 2 countries. |
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| I wonder why they don't fight their battles through sport... nothing would be wrong with that - even though I hate sport :P -. None the less kino should really try to do something about the situation, not just leave... |
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| I think it's a mistake to look at this show with reality-tinted glasses. Kino's Journey is a satire. It is allegory, a twisted reflection of the real world through which viewers can focus and learn about the world they live in. I personally loved the twist at the end of the episode. The 3rd party, whom we saw as innocent victims of the two nations at war, turns out not to be so innocent. Just like their more powerful counterparts, they turn to the barbaric slaughter of those weaker than themselves as well. Through their wanton killings of unarmed travelers, they made themselves no different than their tormentors. This episode was an excellent observation on human nature. |
| Very disturbing episode. The battle scene went nicely with the music, that scene reminded me a lot of the scene in Apocalypse Now, where Duavall uses Wagner during battle. |
TheFirst said: I think it's a mistake to look at this show with reality-tinted glasses. Kino's Journey is a satire. It is allegory, a twisted reflection of the real world through which viewers can focus and learn about the world they live in. I personally loved the twist at the end of the episode. The 3rd party, whom we saw as innocent victims of the two nations at war, turns out not to be so innocent. Just like their more powerful counterparts, they turn to the barbaric slaughter of those weaker than themselves as well. Through their wanton killings of unarmed travelers, they made themselves no different than their tormentors. This episode was an excellent observation on human nature. Absolutely. This was an unremittingly dark reflection on human barbarism and I thought the total lack of empathy was particularly horrifying. Kino No Tabi really is rather depressing sometimes! "The world is not beautiful" indeed. |
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| This episode portrays really well why war is, at least most of the times, completely useless. GreatS said: That would be a very good idea, actually. =] Since they're mostly competing, they should held a sport festival once a year or so... I wonder why they don't fight their battles through sport... nothing would be wrong with that - even though I hate sport :P -. None the less kino should really try to do something about the situation, not just leave... |
| If Kino ever has a child, I bet she'll just keeping traveling leaving several single dads in her wake. Or just use proper protection until she's like, 35. In which she will still keep traveling and leaving several lovesick guys behind. That relating to the woman who lost her kids. Probably wouldn't quite happen to most people who lost their kids. And especially not Kino. She's not the type. Kind of funny when people always say the statement "you'll understand when you're older" or "when you're pregnant/have kids". |
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| 'And that sacrifice absolutely cannot be our children' - wow, I wanted to punch what's-her-(Terminator-like)face REALLY bad. That was disturbing. And ha! The title ('Mother's Love') is so messed up...like that mother's thinking. ...Wow. Kino actually killed someone. ('No need for that, Hermes' - sure thing. People in the neighboring country would be equally f***ed up.) |
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GreatS said: None the less kino should really try to do something about the situation, not just leave... Kino =/= Ginko skullking123 said: wow talk about being ignorant, those guys getting massacred shouldve just left DUH!!! leave where? say that to the innocent ppl in places like Afghanistan and Iraq...they have nowhere to go. |
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| A masterpiece. One of the most beautiful anime episodes i've ever seen. |
| What a disgusting way to thinking. I wish Kino did step in, like she did with the combat episode. I also wish that Kino's world was more cohesive. It seems that each country she goes to are totally separated from each other and don't connect at all. One country is technologically advance with hover crafts, while another has just discovered flying. |
| For some reason this is one of the most memorable anime episodes to me. And okay. One whole race has to suffer because two countries were fighting over a stupid hill? Teddy said: This episode portrays really well why war is, at least most of the times, completely useless. GreatS said: That would be a very good idea, actually. =] Since they're mostly competing, they should held a sport festival once a year or so... I wonder why they don't fight their battles through sport... nothing would be wrong with that - even though I hate sport :P -. None the less kino should really try to do something about the situation, not just leave... Replace war with some sort of Olympic competition! Yes! D: There are so many alternatives to war. And even though the Tantalans or whatever they're called are justified in their anger and frustration, when they pointlessly kill other innocent people, they just lower themselves to the same level as the two other countries, only they kill on a smaller scale. But it doesn't make them any better. <_< |
| Yea, I was thinking they should replace war with sports or video games. Too bad they don't have laser tag or paintball guns. That was freaky at the end. Kino was lucky. She could've given them warning shots in their heads. |
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| Best episode yet. This episode really hit home for me. |
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| Wow... Now that is sick... Makes you really question the solution of war... and nessasary sacrifices, but I really hope our world won't resolve in such solution... |
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| Holy shit, I think that was the sickest thing I've ever seen in an anime. Loved the ending - the villagers are also cowardly and just as willing to kill people weaker than themselves for their own satisfaction. |
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Lepchin17 said: This. How can the people of those two countries even think of a solution like that?W.........T.........F? |
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stAtic91 said: Truthfully, that solution is much better than war... That being said, it is still simply a contest that could of been done without killing.Lepchin17 said: This. How can the people of those two countries even think of a solution like that?W.........T.........F? |
| And that leads me to the conclusion.. War is never good. Whether your intention is good or bad, it doesn't matter because war is war. Also, I'd like to quote something my former social studies teacher told us "The end does not justify the means" - it means that even if your intention is good, the end result is not worth having if you have to break rules to achieve it. |
| damn what a controversial episode O.o...but it satirised the real war so nice,it was awesome :) for 80% of the time,i just wanted to slap that old hag :\ 5/5 PS:next time they should just play paintball and stop killing innocent people |
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TheFirst said: I think it's a mistake to look at this show with reality-tinted glasses. Kino's Journey is a satire. It is allegory, a twisted reflection of the real world through which viewers can focus and learn about the world they live in. I personally loved the twist at the end of the episode. The 3rd party, whom we saw as innocent victims of the two nations at war, turns out not to be so innocent. Just like their more powerful counterparts, they turn to the barbaric slaughter of those weaker than themselves as well. Through their wanton killings of unarmed travelers, they made themselves no different than their tormentors. This episode was an excellent observation on human nature. This sums it up quite well. Of all the episodes so far, I think the message in this one was the most fittingly presented. Probably the best episode so far. I loved it. |
| another stupidity of human beings. |
ARXLaevatein said: "War. War never changes." +1 |
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| The cycle of violence. I think it's quite realistic. It may be a metaphor but this is pretty much what takes place in our world. On a large scale.. and even just one person passing on abuse to another who passes on abuse to another. |
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| How twisted being humans are. “We haven’t had a war, nobody has died” – In the two “fighting” countries, that’s it. It’s like a game. A very sick game. “Let’s see who can kill more Tatatans and that’s who wins this war, this time!” It’s like they don’t consider them to humans, just animals, or mere things that are there just for them to sort out their differences in this perverse way – if there’s no casualty between them, then everything is OK. “And that sacrifice absolutely cannot be our children”— Ha, other peoples’ children don’t matter, do they? Human selfishness reaches unimaginable heights. And yet, we see. What we thought were the innocent victims are not so innocent anymore. Just because they want to take out their frustration, their anger and all the anguish they feel. No matter on who, it’s the same. One always fall lowly, trying to seek revenge. Wars are hopeless, there’s no way out of the hole; we only dig on further. It’s futile. Even if they change wars for sports, or videogames competitions, someone will feel unhappy and suggest the idea of war once again. It’s a vicious circle. It’s impossible to free of it. We’re, in real life, in the same situation, aren’t we? |
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| I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Cold War yet. This seemed to be a (simplified) satire of that to me. This was probably the most pessimistic episode of this show yet. The subtitle of "the Beautiful World" has never been more ironic. So much unnecessary bloodshed and death. |
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| What a bunch of cowards. |
| Do they not fear retribution? |
| Vietnam war was the first thing that came to my mind, although as someone pointed out already, Cold War in general was the target of the satire. Not that this kind of thinking would be completely in the past even now, from military support and arms trade to clear alliances. |
| So they transformed war over a territory into some sort of killing-fest sport competition just to justify their needs to kill? Call me stupid, but this solution doesn't make sense at all in both reality and satire sense. Is it possible? Yes, but it would take 2 countries full of mentally deranged individuals to make it happen, which is very unlikely in BOTH fictional and today's world logically speaking. Let's go through this logic step by step using (fictional) real world example: 1. USA goes to war with Russia because they both want unoccupied land called Spain 2. They fought for many years until they're out of resources to fight each other 3. They both do not want to lose their loved ones any more, so they decided to talk/make deal 4. Common sense logic would dictate that they both ceasefire, make peace treaty and divide Spain equally to end the war 5. But the logic this anime used is very flawed. IN ADDITION to ceasefire, USA and Russia both proposed that they have a killing competition against a defenseless country (aka France) annually JUST TO VENT their feeling of competitiveness, hostility, and cruelty (in which all human possess) that they have towards each other. (strong wtf logic) The problem I have with this is why would they use the word 'WAR' instead of 'Competition'. Now I understand that USA and Russia still hate each other and ready to kill at any given moment, BUT WHY resort to killing the innocents WHILE acting like they're BEST FRIENDS? They should be ripping each other's throat apart instead of they're not mentally challenged. A more simplified example: 1. Bob kills your wife 2. You found out Bob was the culprit 3. You go and kill Bob's wife in revenge 4. You don't want to lose your son, so you call Bob and have a talk 5. Both you and Bob agreed to not kill each other's son and daughter 6. Both also agreed not to kill each other because they want their raise their children 6. As years passed, both you and Bob still can't get over the fact that their wife were killed by the other 7. Both you and Bob felt the need to vent and still hates each other 8. So, you and Bob had another heart-to-heart chat to come up with a solution 9. You and Bob then decided to have a yearly competition where you both goes to a defenseless small town of poverty and see whoever can kill the most people in a given time. The loser has to buy the winner a bottle of whiskey. 10. What the fuck kind of logic is that? TLDR; Don't get me wrong, I'm completely fine with all other messages/satires the anime was trying to convey. I just have a problem with the logic they used for this ONE part. |
LunaMay 28, 2013 2:57 AM
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| I agree that this episode was messed up.. but it truly does point out how human nature works... to find peace or to settle a difference a lot of times its taken out on the weaker party, in order to keep the peace, and that in turn causes the weaker party to take their anger out on those weaker than them... hatred gives rise to more hatred, a cycle that will never truely end. It's sad to think that people cant coexist peacefully without someone looking for a reason for conflict, but thats how human nature is. |
| I’m glad I finally found an episode of the series I really love. This episode brought up two important ideas that concern war and conflict. The first is that war must be brought to its natural conclusion for peace to emerge, and the second is that one of the greatest sins in International Relations is to be weak. For a war to truly end, someone must win. The Cold War would still be going on if the Soviet Union still existed. It is extremely fortunate for the world that the Communism practiced by the Soviet Union was an unsustainable practice and lead to their own internal collapse. However, the Cold War was never truly a war because the two sides never directly fought. It was peace, but it was a toxic. The only way for those two countries in the show to ever find true peace would require the destruction of one of the countries. “The strong do what they will, and the weak suffer what they must.” It is unfair about what happened to the indigenous people in that show, but that is how life works. Powerful countries exploit weaker countries even to this day. It is cleaner now; the age of colonization is over so now exploitation is more economical. It is a popular position to take in this world to state that war is an unnecessary evil that must be stop wherever it is found. Unfortunately, that view tends to forget that war has been one of the major sources of social change in human history. An example would be that democracy was born through war. The only people who would truly benefit the most form the end of war would be the people who are already well off right now, which I assume would be most of the people who visit this site. |
| Those people at the end... their logic was terrible. LOL |
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Joel_Shelton said: Very disturbing episode. The battle scene went nicely with the music, that scene reminded me a lot of the scene in Apocalypse Now, where Duavall uses Wagner during battle. I agree, but it's not just the music: the bridge, the trees, the eye superimposed over it at the end, it's totally Apocalypse Now! In fact I feel like it was very intentional as both this episode and Apocalypse Now are about the way humans interact with humans who are fundamentally different from themselves. Also, as for everyone who said that Kino should have intervened in the situation, this is clearly meant as a reflection of our own world and the way in which the western USA centric world interacts with the more indigenous populations of the earth, specifically the middle east in contemporary (the people at the end essentially rationalized a reason for turning to terrorism like acts.) No matter what side you find yourself on (though I'm willing to bet that if you have time to discuss anime, and obviously I count myself among that group, you will fall in with the previous group) the conflict is a closed system and far to large and elaborate for one individual to do affect in anyway. However, we did just all watch this episode of Kino's Journey and we could all see how truly horrible the world presented to us was... |
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