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Aug 22, 2015 11:24 AM
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BurntJelly said:
(rewatching)

He changed the established past by buying the metal Upa. Oops! Cheater!

Score is unchanged after rewatching. 7/10 This is a "good" anime.


He did.
There is another Okarin whose living not in the beta world. He's buliding a time machine to save Kurisu(Steins;Gate 0).
When Okarin bought metal Upa he did change past to the beta world (or Steins;Gate world) where is no time machine and Makise is alive (Mayuri as well).
Aug 27, 2015 2:26 PM

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I give up. It's a masterpiece... Seriously, Okabe is one hell of a MC. I commend him, salute him. Like seriously, this guy is amazing. Sort of like a role model. During the first few episodes, I thought he was annoying but he grew to be one of a kind. Hats off.

And Makise is the amazing assistant of the mad scientist who happens to be a cute tsundere and mai Okabe's waifu. These two belong together, seriously. They share such a strong bond in which they can go to great lengths for each other, even willing to self-sacrifice.

When they showed everyone's faces, it felt so heartwarming. The badges were a winner. All in all, 10/10. I didn't think this show could be that good. I just finished Shinsekai Yori so I wasn't in my "easy mode" yet it still managed to impress me to such an extent. Bravo. I have so many fav characters in this... Lovely show.
Aug 30, 2015 10:03 AM

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I don't know.

It all feels painfully incomplete. I think it's mostly the pacing that bothers me - we're given such a lengthy buildup that the ending feels hastily put together, and I can't help but feel disappointed.

I was expecting the show to explore SERN, World War III, etc. a lot more, but... I guess I was wrong? It's just strange - there seemed to be a lot of emphasis on SERN being this scary evil organization leading an oppressive totalitarian future, yet we're barely shown any of it. The characters left a lot to be desired as well.

Anyway, it probably sounds like I hate this show. I don't! The direction was great, the writing had its clever moments and the time travel mechanics felt solid and plausible (although we didn't get an explanation on Suzuha's time machine, did we?). It was mainly the story that bothered me. Maybe it just wasn't my taste.
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Sep 2, 2015 7:45 AM

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At first when okabe was passing kurisu I thought they weren't going to notice each other. I cried at the end more than when I saw mufasa die for the first time. Well done steins gate


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hands down the best anime ending i've seen.

but to be fair it's the ending of a VN not an anime soooo.....>o>
Sep 15, 2015 7:13 PM
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Beautiful. :)
Sep 19, 2015 4:58 PM
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What an amazing anime. Only one word to describe this anime. FLAWLESS!
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Sep 28, 2015 8:43 PM

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What. A. Ride. Tududu~

Being a few years late to the series, I've heard a lot of compliments about this anime being one of the best animes in the history of animes. After watching it, I fully agree with the statement above. It's definitely the best anime in my books.

The emotional rollercoaster was amazing. Each episode brings about a different sort of emotion - one episode is happy and cheerful and the next is sad as hell. Watching Akiba disappear with a simple D-mail .. damn.

I also like the character development - we see mad scientist Kyouma evolve from a self-centered, ego-centric maniac to a caring and kind hero. And of course, watching the tsundere Kurisu transform into one of my favourite anime characters ever.

Thank you Steins;Gate. It's been a great ride. Now off to watch the movie and prepare for Steins;Gate 0.
Sep 29, 2015 5:28 PM
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Yay for happy ending.
Awesome anime!
Oct 7, 2015 4:08 PM

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I expected too much from this.
Finally is a good anime,but lacks something in pace and plot's construction.
8/10
Oct 17, 2015 6:42 AM

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Been trying to watch this since it aired, and now its finally done and wow... such a good story.
The ending could have been a little longer since the build up was pretty lengthy (take in consideration how long it took to figure out the mayuri solution). Nevertheless one of the best shows i had the pleasure to watch.
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Oct 21, 2015 3:13 AM

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Wow! What a fitting end to an epic series! I can't describe the emotions and vibes I got from this show. Such brilliant character development, story and music. I really look forward to playing the VN!
The afternoon has gently passed me by
The evening spreads its sail against the sky
Waiting for tomorrow
Just another day
God bid yesterday goodbye...
Nov 15, 2015 8:48 PM

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Beautiful! I was afraid they'd end like Angel Beats! and
but they didn't! It's so nice that people keep their memories from other world lines!

This was the most beautiful mindfuck anime I've seen. 8/10
Dec 5, 2015 5:59 AM

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Well... that was beautiful. Although I'd say the 1st MC girl win rule is kind of obligatory, but oh well. The adventure of the story is fun!

Although I can't believe it. Mayuri and Daru? Wat. STHAP.

So... this past 3 weeks of his adventure, this whole Steins;Gate anime, happens because

1. Okarin made that microwave.
2. He thought Kurisu is dead.
3. Time Machine in general.

So... what do we learn from this anime? That time travelling is dangerous kids.

Sigh... I was really hoping for alternate universes to exist. It would be fun to see the girls enjoying their lives with Okarin as they wanted. But to see only one end, which is Kurisu end is not that bad. But I just feel bad for the other girls.

Dec 7, 2015 12:53 AM

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One of the best anime till date! I loved it how they rounded it up! It was so like Okabe to actually think it will work out just as he planned. But in the end he had to open his gut to save Kurisu.

When they showed the flower bouquet I was seriously like "No way! Not the grave!". And I was relieved to see the hospital empty bed instead. I love Mayushii so much! Her presence in the anime is as pleasant as the Sun during Spring! It was refreshing to see her memory from other world lines made her realize that Kurisu was there all along. So it wasn&#039;t solely Okarin who knew about Lab #004.

While Okabe made sure everyone getting their lab member badge, it was a nice way to show a world line where thus far, everyone is doing fine. It was actually nice of him to give Moeka a lab member badge despite going through all the pain in the alpha world line because of her :)

It was even better as he saved the final badge for Suzuha, who will be joining them as a new born baby in 7 years time! I really want to know who will be her mother though! Daru is left wondering yet again! Those who have seen the VN clips, 34 year old Daru actually is quite a hunk as one of the founding members of the resistance group Valkyrie.

And the anime called for a 10/10 after Kurisu, who seems to had been desperately looking for Okabe, finally finding him and in one of the most unusual places of all, on the streets of Akihabara. Fragments of her memories from other world lines remain as she retorted when Okabe called her by Christina and Assistant. I am certain that the fragments from the alpha world line, where they spent those three weeks will lead them to a romantic relationship in the current world line! ♥

This was an amazing experience despite having such a slow and confusing start to an anime I was reluctant to follow having been disappointed by Chaos;HEAd. It is indeed one of those very few shows that would make you regret if you haven&#039;t watched them week-in week-out as they aired. The second half of the anime had been an absolute roller-coaster ride. :)

Operation; Skuld - Successful

El Psy Congroo


That was definitely one of the best animes I've ever watched. Amazing experience.
El Psy Congroo! :')
Dec 10, 2015 8:26 PM

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9,5/10 rounded up to a 10 because I don't give a fuck. I had a blast watching this animu, and the more I think about it the madder at myself I get for no watching it sooner.
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Jan 2, 2016 10:24 AM
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Can someone please help me.. I'm confused.

INFORMATION FROM THE VISUAL NOVEL:

Sending the first d mail triggered the Time Machine of Suzuha to crash, thus the seminar got canceled, *thus Kurisu lives, thus the present world line that we are waching.

According to Suzuha, the root cause of the Alpha world line where SERN rules the future and Mayuri has to die was "The act of SERN tracing Okabe's sent d mails including the first one", (Not the the act of the d mails being sent).

And that in order to go to a Beta world line to save Mayuri and prevent SERN from ruling the future, Okabe must just "delete the records of his d mails in SERN's database" using the IBN500, so the future would adjust into a beta world line where SERN did not trace the d mails.

However, the IBN500 is currently lost. So according Kurisu's plan, they had to delete recent d mails in order to go back to the time when it was still with them, to be able to delete the data in SERN's database.

Now following the plan, by canceling some recent d mails, they got back to the time when the IBN500 was still present. Take note that at this moment Kurisu is alive because the first d mail has not been undone. They DO NOT need not to undo the first d mail because they already have the IBN500 at present to delete the records in SERN's database.

NOW, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THIS POINT (Start of ep 22):

Following their plan, from this point when Kurisu is alive, Mayuri is alive but is to die soon, and the future will be ruled by SERN, and they now have the IBN500; They can create a SPLIT in world lines to create a Beta world line from this point where SERN will not rule the future and Mayuri will live, and Kurisu still lives; by drastically changing the past of Alpha world line at this point, BY deleting SERN's records of their d mails (the root cause of SERN ruling the future and Mayuri's death).

QUESTION:

Why did they need to "UNDO" the first d mail? (And so he went back to the world line when karisu died), and if he splits the world line from that point to create a Beta world line, it will be a world where Kurisu is dead. if he could just Split the world lines when he just got back from the future and finds IBN500, by deleting SERN's records at that point when Kurisu and Mayuri is still alive beside him.
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deancamba9 said:
QUESTION:

Why did they need to "UNDO" the first d mail? (And so he went back to the world line when karisu died), and if he splits the world line from that point to create a Beta world line, it will be a world where Kurisu is dead. if he could just Split the world lines when he just got back from the future and finds IBN500, by deleting SERN's records at that point when Kurisu and Mayuri is still alive beside him.

They needed to undo the first D-mail (which SERN intercepted with Echelon and understood) so that they could return to the Beta world line wherein convergence doesn't force Mayuri to die and SERN doesn't create a dystopia. Both Okabe and Kurisu also wanted Mayuri to live, to the point that they fought, so there really was no other choice. Of course, none of them saw WW3 coming.
Jan 6, 2016 5:58 PM

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Wow, just wow, This anime has really been a carousel of emotions, plot twist everywhere, and feels, so many feels....
The beginning is the end, the circle. Damn and then Oka-Hououin Kyouma! comes with his non-sense... but no, I was sure he had a plan..(damn it, stupid broken light saber stuff)
My expression after seeing HIS blood, I knew it was about it...It had to... damn, so much pain... I was actually scared that he may die. But, for her... he would stab himself... >-< wow, that adrenaline rush!

It's was a shock that Susaha had to vanish, but she will be back in 7 years... yeah, i dropped more tears in this episode too, damn! So many feels! Those scenes with Okabe giving the badges to every lab member... even one for Susaha T_T

And at the end...! HE FOUND HER!! *_* It was beautiful. Im not fan of stupid, forced happy endings, but this... ladys and gentlemen... This was NOT forced, or stupid, it was adequate, perfect in its own way. I absolutely loved it... T_T
I was so glad that she remembered that she was not cristina nor his assistant. That was sooo coool, glad she could get a glimpse of her memories.

I'm happy I got to watch this story.

Now, I'm very deep in the post-anime zone... =O I have to get out of here. You know, that zone where you fall after you finish a really good anime, where you feel happy for the experience, but sad that it's over and wish to not have watched it because you will feel empty in the end.

Still, with it's faults and things that I may not like, i WAS going to give this anime a 9/10 because of some actual reasons, but after the tsunami of feels episodes 22, 23 and 24... I give this a 10/10, to me, it's a MASTERPIECE.
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A happy ending where everyone lives. Well done, Mad Scientist.

This anime has been an absolute pleasure to watch due in large part to a masterful script, directing, and atmosphere. The light-hearted slice of life moments often consisted of witty and clever humor mixed in with endearing character interactions, ultimately resulting in an amusing and entertaining cast with excellent chemistry. Once things became serious, the show remained compelling until the very end, throwing events and twists that effectively utilize the attachment to the characters that the viewer had formed. The feeling of foreboding which had lingered in the first half transformed into a cycle of despair and hope in the second half, seriously undermining any confidence that the ending would be an ideal one. The final attempt was brilliant, and the ending exuded much happiness and optimism after so much sadness and doubt.

Okabe conducts himself with a grandeur that manages to be charming rather than cringe-worthy, even exuding badassery when the situation becomes dire. His musings, behavior, and manner of speech are incredibly entertaining to observe, and how they influence the perception and interaction of other characters toward him even more so. The rest of the cast were great to watch as well.

However, my attachment to the characters stem largely from their entertaining banter and camaraderie with each other rather than the depth of the characters themselves. Given that the first twelve episodes consisting mainly of slice of life, it would have been nice to see some more in depth exploration and more facets of the characters' personalities, mind, and background. The dialogue and voice acting were top-notch though which really helped to compensate, probably among one of the best dubs I've heard.

The plot itself was well directed on an individual episode basis, but felt sluggish at times. I also feel that there was potential for more regarding SERN and the plot could have been a bit more substantial. But, seeing Okabe reverse all of the DMails and only succeed in saving both Mayuri and Kurisu after bringing everything in the first half of the show to a full circle was quite impressive to see and made those events absolutely meaningful.

Rating: 9/10

Now off to episode 25 and the rest. El Psy Congroo.
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Something that makes me like the ending (the True Ending) is that, it's not given, it's not free, it's not because of yes. Okabe was give the OPPORTUNITY to fight for a better future, to fight for her, and he made it. That ending was worth.

Anyway, I still have one doubt:

Okabe from 2036 sends Suzaha to 2010 with the finished time machine (C204), then he sends "the last" D-mail with the video to himself to 2010. We know that 2010 Okabe received, interpreted and acted based on the content of the mail hence, changing the future. Let's go back to 2036, as this Okabe send a D-mail, he changed the past, changing his current future (Where he killed Kurisu, and the obsession started, created C204 and so on), now, with the reading steiner of his, he jumped from Beta timeline to Steins Gate timeline remembering everything, right? In that order, that means the Okabe that woke up in the hospital (let's say it that way, i'm not sure) in 2010 "remembers" everything from the 2036 Okabe. Is that all right? I mean, it was the same that happened the entire anime with 2010 Okabe D-mailing, he changed something, he remembers everything no matter the current time change.

That would support the thing that every "you" in every timeline is the same "you", all of them are connected, a single soul.

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Well, now the OVA aka episode 25, then the movie, then episode 23β and then...when it comes, Steins;Gate 0
Jan 7, 2016 3:15 PM

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I'm glad you liked it.

I recommend reading the VN, too, my king. It has answers for pretty much all established plot points (and plot-holes), gives direct access to Okabe's mind, and has one frightening scene that was censored out the anime. That is, if you have the time of course.

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Anyway, I still have one doubt:

Okabe from 2036 sends Suzaha to 2010 with the finished time machine (C204), then he sends "the last" D-mail with the video to himself to 2010. We know that 2010 Okabe received, interpreted and acted based on the content of the mail hence, changing the future. Let's go back to 2036, as this Okabe send a D-mail, he changed the past, changing his current future (Where he killed Kurisu, and the obsession started, created C204 and so on), now, with the reading steiner of his, he jumped from Beta timeline to Steins Gate timeline remembering everything, right? In that order, that means the Okabe that woke up in the hospital (let's say it that way, i'm not sure) in 2010 "remembers" everything from the 2036 Okabe. Is that all right? I mean, it was the same that happened the entire anime with 2010 Okabe D-mailing, he changed something, he remembers everything no matter the current time change.

That would support the thing that every "you" in every timeline is the same "you", all of them are connected, a single soul.

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Well, now the OVA aka episode 25, then the movie, then episode 23β and then...when it comes, Steins;Gate 0

Nah. He doesn't remember anything from future Okabe's timeline since he's not Future Okabe. Remember, when Okabe changes timelines, his mind warps to the same exact period of time only with differences. An example is episode 1, right after he sent the 1st D-mail and Reading Steiner activated, where he thought everyone outside suddenly vanished into thin air.
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Mmmm, ok, if you say so. You read the VN so you know more details.

I'll give the VN a try... I loved S;G enough to "play" the VN, but not now, too many feelings and emotions xD I'll give S;G a rest for a time after I watch the Deja Vu movie tomorrow (and the Soumei Eichi no Cognitive Computing ONAs) . I think i'll leave episode 23β for a near future too... i'm not sure yet.
Jan 12, 2016 10:11 PM

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I just haven't the words on how amazing this is. Well done, script author, well done. I'm so buying the hell outta this next paycheck.
Jan 12, 2016 10:16 PM

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kinda heart-broken tho i'm rooting for MayuTarou....
but still 9/10
or 5/7
"GINTAMA IS UTTER SHIT!"
*Scores SAO2 9/10 and Nisekoi 9/10*
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I have watched Steins;Gate multiple times by now but never made a comment on forums (I wasn't MAL-active before).

To keep it short (and because no length of paragraphs/essays can describe the epic-ness,) all I can say personally, is that Steins;Gate is truly the god of anime!
It is, and will always be my absolute #1 favorite series of all time~

10/10 (wishing I can hack it to 11/10)
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Best anime show ever, really! As i thought, they will end up in an alternate "Steins Gate" world line where everybody are alive and happy. This show is really worth watching many more times! And also can't wait for the new Steins Gate 0 !
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I have watched Steins;Gate multiple times by now but never made a comment on forums (I wasn't MAL-active before).

To keep it short (and because no length of paragraphs/essays can describe the epic-ness,) all I can say personally, is that Steins;Gate is truly the god of anime!
It is, and will always be my absolute #1 favorite series of all time~

10/10 (wishing I can hack it to 11/10)


That's the absolute truth!
Jan 20, 2016 4:33 AM

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I really can't make any bad comments about this anime. It got time travel, paradoxes and then some. hope the make the movie we all been hoping for
Jan 21, 2016 1:44 AM

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Wowies. This was a knockout anime.

Some questions I still had:

1) What about all of the other world lines? Do you think a time machine would have been invented anyways in a different one with Okarin's jumping around in them also?

2) They reached the Steins Gate line, but what does that really mean? It just means that the Okarin in that line got what he wanted. Or am I thinking about the divergence theory wrong?

Either way...love love love.

El Psy Congroo!
Jan 21, 2016 3:49 AM

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Wowies. This was a knockout anime.

Some questions I still had:

1) What about all of the other world lines? Do you think a time machine would have been invented anyways in a different one with Okarin's jumping around in them also?

2) They reached the Steins Gate line, but what does that really mean? It just means that the Okarin in that line got what he wanted. Or am I thinking about the divergence theory wrong?

Either way...love love love.

El Psy Congroo!


1. Yes, in every other worldline in Alpha (which compromises of all the worldlines where Okabe sent the first D-mail) SERN is still able to finish the time machine in the future because they have the record of that D-Mail being sent in Akihabara in 2010. In Beta, where they do not have that record, the time-machine papers that Kurisu's dad have survive and those lead to a world wide arms-race for the first time machine. So, no matter what, in all the worldlines except for Steins;Gate, building a time-machine leads to chaos and many lost lives in the future.

In Steins;Gate worldline though, the D-Mail's record is deleted AND the papers are destroyed. This is the only worldline where both happen so no time-machine is invented. This is also the only worldline where we don't know what happens in the future as no one from the future has come back in this worldline (which is a good thing). Like Okabe said, "no one knows what the future holds, that's why its potential is infinite."

2. Yes Okabe got what he wanted. He saved both people and stopped millions of deaths in the future because there is no struggle for building a time-machine anymore because no one knows it is possible. Also, the way you phrased it makes it seem like there are other Okabe's in other worldlines that run parallel but this is a misconception. There is only one worldline at any point in the show. You can switch into another but it's like train tracks. The current worldline is like the train, and the potential worldlines you can switch to are the tracks but there is only one train. It's not multiple trains running across the tracks, just one train that can switch to other tracks. So, there is only one Okabe and he is in the Steins;Gate worldline when it is all said and done. Don't think of it as parallel universes, because it is not like that. There is no "Okabe in a different worldline that is suffering" because that worldline isn't the one he is on so it doesn't exist unless he travels to it.

Hope that helped.
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@appu1232

This makes a lot more sense. I was thinking there were multiple lines with multiple "copies" of each person, but I understand what you're saying.

Thank you!
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2. Yes Okabe got what he wanted. He saved both people and stopped millions of deaths in the future because there is no struggle for building a time-machine anymore because no one knows it is possible. Also, the way you phrased it makes it seem like there are other Okabe's in other worldlines that run parallel but this is a misconception. There is only one worldline at any point in the show. You can switch into another but it's like train tracks. The current worldline is like the train, and the potential worldlines you can switch to are the tracks but there is only one train. It's not multiple trains running across the tracks, just one train that can switch to other tracks. So, there is only one Okabe and he is in the Steins;Gate worldline when it is all said and done. Don't think of it as parallel universes, because it is not like that. There is no "Okabe in a different worldline that is suffering" because that worldline isn't the one he is on so it doesn't exist unless he travels to it.

Hope that helped.


Thank you you good sir for explaining this.
Like the series explained itself, there's just ONE current worldline, the others are like "possible" timelines. That's mentioned like 3 times, with the butterfly effect, Suzaha, and even Kurisu.

That's why every experience they had in different worldlines is still hidden in their brains, because all those are connected, it's just one soul.

It's not like Okabe jumped and dumped everybody in the Apha worldline to die or to their odds. No, he changed the probabilities. The attractor field surely controls a lot of what happens, but a worldline surely is not an "alternate universe" running in parallel.

I really liked your analogy. Very easy and graphic.
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One of the best anime! Definitely 10/10 and a favorite!
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In Ep24, why is it necessary that Okabe deceive his past self into believing that Kurisu dies? Because from the instant that he arrived in the past via the time machine, the world-line branches off into something new, and the history of the world-line following those changes made by Okabe, are automatically different from the history that that Okabe (the one we are following who has returned to the past so save Kurisu) had experienced. If the idea was to prevent a paradox, i.e. a grandfather one, how would our Okabe have been affected if he was from a different world-line, and in other words, how would a paradox have even been possible and necessary to prevent?

As I understand it, the plot makes use of some elements from the Copenhagen Interpretation, which me not being very knowledgeable on, I assume means, an interpretation where there is only a singular timeline of cause and effect. As Suzuha states, there is a multiverse, but only one universe is "active" and only one reality "observed" at a time, and the others are just possibilities...

So does this idea draw some sort of conclusion that although there are multiple possible world-lines, that if you were to physically travel back in time(corporeally), and create an entirely new world-line that you yourself are not physically from and are not directly connected to the new version of you from the past of this separate worldline, that because there is only one "active" world-line at a time and only one "observed" reality, and because you're observing this new reality that you helped create simply by going back in time, that therefor your state of existence, or the state of existence of any time traveler (or in other words everything from your memories to your physical body) becomes physically intertwined with that new world-line somehow, and therefor the events of that world-line and how it's history plays out directly affects you even though you yourself hail from a different version of the universe entirely, and there is no cause and effect relationship between you yourself and this different version of past you?

If this is what happens in Steins;Gate, then how is that even (hypothetically) possible? Because if that were the case, then shouldn't the D-Mails have caused paradoxes themselves? (unless those d-mails tricked their past selves into thinking someone died when they didn't lol) Because when the d-mail alters the past, by this strange logic from the above paragraph, (that I can see being the only answer that makes sense so far) because that d-mail and the physical information of the text it comprises of is now physically back in time, and now physically intertwined with this new world-line that branched off into this new cause and effect system, then when the d-mail changes the past effectively enough that a d-mail didn't need to be sent, by this strange logic, it's somehow preventing the need for ITSELF to have been sent, then that itself should cause a paradox following the apparent logic of the assumed circumstances that the events of Ep24 seem to suggest, but that never happened in the story...

The d-mails didn't cause a paradox, so assuming the laws of physics and the very nature of the universe doesn't change from world-line to world-line, then why should stopping an entirely different Okabe from experiencing the same things as the original (by saving Kurisu) stop the original from having had experienced them and create a paradox, when Okabe already did that once anyways via d-mail in Ep1, and then continued to do it time after time in many other ways?

Even if cause and effect being directly associated to anyone or anything physically on the same world-line who/that were initially from another world-line were the way the story worked, then the d-mails should never have been possible.

It can't have anything to do with Okabe being a person and a d-mail just being non-living information, because anything, if it can travel back in time and change the past, and if it follows this strange story logic of direct cause and effect between two things that aren't even related and multiverse theory, then it is able to prevent itself from having traveled back in the first place, and cause a paradox. But this clearly never happens.

SO WHAT'S GOING ON
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So, what can I say... This was a true masterpiece :)

I have two simple questions which I do not understand at the moment.

1.) Is it right that they wanted to delete SERN's record of the first D-Mail from their database, so SERN would not know that they work on a time machine?

2.) Concerning the last episode. Okarin sees the "not dead" Kurisu on the ground. So accroding to Episode 1 he leaves the building and sends a Mail, which should be a D-Mail. Doesn't this happen in the Steins Gate line too and therefor again changing everything?

I hope that someone can help me :)
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So, what can I say... This was a true masterpiece :)

I have two simple questions which I do not understand at the moment.

1.) Is it right that they wanted to delete SERN's record of the first D-Mail from their database, so SERN would not know that they work on a time machine?

2.) Concerning the last episode. Okarin sees the "not dead" Kurisu on the ground. So accroding to Episode 1 he leaves the building and sends a Mail, which should be a D-Mail. Doesn't this happen in the Steins Gate line too and therefor again changing everything?

I hope that someone can help me :)


Hi, yes you are correct, they deleted the D-mail from SERN's database. For your second question though, yes the D-mail is still sent, but this past Okabe will have went through the same exact events he did in episodes 2-22 and delete the record of the D-mail again from SERN's database, however, instead of ending up in the Beta worldline with this deletion, he will end up in Steins;Gate.

So yes, SERN will pick up the D-mail that past Okabe in episode 24 sends after seeing Kurisu unconscious but it doesn't matter since that Okabe will eventually delete it from their database 3 weeks later like in episode 22. The only problem was the time machine papers leading to WWIII and Kurisu's death which Okabe took care of with the metal upa and his clever way of faking Kurisu's death. The main predicament was that almost all wordlines either lead to SERN ruling because of the D-mail or WWIII because of the time machine papers and with this, Okabe was able to prevent both.

Hope that made sense.
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Hi, yes you are correct, they deleted the D-mail from SERN's database. For your second question though, yes the D-mail is still sent, but this past Okabe will have went through the same exact events he did in episodes 2-22 and delete the record of the D-mail again from SERN's database, however, instead of ending up in the Beta worldline with this deletion, he will end up in Steins;Gate.

So yes, SERN will pick up the D-mail that past Okabe in episode 24 sends after seeing Kurisu unconscious but it doesn't matter since that Okabe will eventually delete it from their database 3 weeks later like in episode 22. The only problem was the time machine papers leading to WWIII and Kurisu's death which Okabe took care of with the metal upa and his clever way of faking Kurisu's death. The main predicament was that almost all wordlines either lead to SERN ruling because of the D-mail or WWIII because of the time machine papers and with this, Okabe was able to prevent both.

Hope that made sense.


Hi,

Thank you very much for your fast and precise reply.
This really makes sense now :)

What a great story!
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2. Yes Okabe got what he wanted. He saved both people and stopped millions of deaths in the future because there is no struggle for building a time-machine anymore because no one knows it is possible. Also, the way you phrased it makes it seem like there are other Okabe's in other worldlines that run parallel but this is a misconception. There is only one worldline at any point in the show. You can switch into another but it's like train tracks. The current worldline is like the train, and the potential worldlines you can switch to are the tracks but there is only one train. It's not multiple trains running across the tracks, just one train that can switch to other tracks. So, there is only one Okabe and he is in the Steins;Gate worldline when it is all said and done. Don't think of it as parallel universes, because it is not like that. There is no "Okabe in a different worldline that is suffering" because that worldline isn't the one he is on so it doesn't exist unless he travels to it.

Hope that helped.


Thank you you good sir for explaining this.
Like the series explained itself, there's just ONE current worldline, the others are like "possible" timelines. That's mentioned like 3 times, with the butterfly effect, Suzaha, and even Kurisu.

That's why every experience they had in different worldlines is still hidden in their brains, because all those are connected, it's just one soul.

It's not like Okabe jumped and dumped everybody in the Apha worldline to die or to their odds. No, he changed the probabilities. The attractor field surely controls a lot of what happens, but a worldline surely is not an "alternate universe" running in parallel.

I really liked your analogy. Very easy and graphic.


Thanks a lot guys this cleared up most of my post-show confusion, it should have been pretty obvious anyway as they do explain it many times throughout.

The only thing that still had me confused for a moment was the faking of Kurisu's death; I thought"how did tricking his past self into thinking that she had died work when he would see it on the news that she was alive within a few hours anyway?" and then I'd remembered that Okarin didn't stick around for the emergency services and sent the first d-mail as soon as he left the convention, meaning that the world lines switched way before he could find out the truth meaning that he would repeat the next 3 weeks regardless.

Anyway, this show was amazing 10/10, I'm surprised that it could get me to feel such a wide range of emotions even right until the very end.
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HDarkmantis said:


Thank you you good sir for explaining this.
Like the series explained itself, there's just ONE current worldline, the others are like "possible" timelines. That's mentioned like 3 times, with the butterfly effect, Suzaha, and even Kurisu.

That's why every experience they had in different worldlines is still hidden in their brains, because all those are connected, it's just one soul.

It's not like Okabe jumped and dumped everybody in the Apha worldline to die or to their odds. No, he changed the probabilities. The attractor field surely controls a lot of what happens, but a worldline surely is not an "alternate universe" running in parallel.

I really liked your analogy. Very easy and graphic.


Thanks a lot guys this cleared up most of my post-show confusion, it should have been pretty obvious anyway as they do explain it many times throughout.

The only thing that still had me confused for a moment was the faking of Kurisu's death; I thought"how did tricking his past self into thinking that she had died work when he would see it on the news that she was alive within a few hours anyway?" and then I'd remembered that Okarin didn't stick around for the emergency services and sent the first d-mail as soon as he left the convention, meaning that the world lines switched way before he could find out the truth meaning that he would repeat the next 3 weeks regardless.

Anyway, this show was amazing 10/10, I'm surprised that it could get me to feel such a wide range of emotions even right until the very end.


Yup, good point. If Okabe had waited to send the D-mail till after Kurisu's death was reported or if Okabe just so much as went up to her body and checked to make sure she was dead before he ran, the plan would not have worked. However, since Okabe only saw her and ran and immediately sent the D-mail without any other confirmation on her status, her being alive could be manipulated and the exact same events would still occur.
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Just finished rewatching Steins;Gate, and I've been even more blown away this time through. What a brilliant anime! Even the slow episodes (1-11) have so many clues and pieces of crucial information. I honestly want to rewatch it again right now. :)
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ahhhhhhh, this is one of the best animes I have heard of, and it's worth it. starting off as a slice-of-life ish theme it then suddenly goes serious and BOOM. Masterpiece tbh. I'm normally not a fan of "chosen one" characters but Okarin is an excemption. He's just so amazing. And so is Kurisu. I'm glad that they got the happy ending they deserve. This was a fun ride, and is now my 2nd fave anime of all time. 10/10. will rewatch next month tbh.

i now fear watching the alternative ending though. maybe i'll hold it off for a bit because
Kurisu-chaaannnn (╥﹏╥)
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i now fear watching the alternative ending though. maybe i'll hold it off for a bit because
Kurisu-chaaannnn (╥﹏╥)


If you just finished Ep 24, go for Ep 25 (Egoistic Poriomania) and then the Fuka Ryouiki no Déjà vu movie, both are sequels of the True Ending. You even have the Soumei Eichi no Cognitive Computing ONAs

If you are talking about the Episode 23β, it is not an alternative ending per se, it is just what happened in the first "loop" of Episode 23. Here's an explanation so you can be sure what to expect from it.
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HDarkmantis said:
nicomaine said:

i now fear watching the alternative ending though. maybe i'll hold it off for a bit because
Kurisu-chaaannnn (╥﹏╥)


If you just finished Ep 24, go for Ep 25 (Egoistic Poriomania) and then the Fuka Ryouiki no Déjà vu movie, both are sequels of the True Ending. You even have the Soumei Eichi no Cognitive Computing ONAs

If you are talking about the Episode 23β, it is not an alternative ending per se, it is just what happened in the first "loop" of Episode 23. Here's an explanation so you can be sure what to expect from it.


makes sense. who'd tell Okabe about saving Kurisu when there isn't an Okabe that doesn't experience the failure firsthand. so by "alternate ending" i now mean an alternate timelne, lol.

just watched the 23 beta ep today. Anyway, thanks for the clarification :)
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Hello,

It's me again ^^

Out of nowhere, I was thinking about the ending again and there is a thing that I thought I understand but actually do not understand.

So, at the end, the bleeding Okabe travels from the past, where Kirisu didn't die, to his present. We then see Mayori with flowers wanting to visit Okabe in the hospital - this happens in the Steins Gate line, right?

And here comes my question: What date is it here? Is it more than 3 weeks away from past Okabe seeing Kirisu unconscious?
If yes, does it mean that Okabe found Kirisu only ~1 month after he saved her? What did he do this month after seeing Kirisu unconscious? All the things form episode 1 - 22 without Kirisu?

I hope you can understand my question and clear things up :)


EDIT:

I think I found an answer from appu1232 to my question in another thread :)

appu1232 said:
ThorAxe911 said:


Yeah this is the biggest question i Have too.

If Okabe is still under the impression that Kirisu has been stabbed, he'll still send the text and nothing will have changed..

Yes, I understand that the Metal Oopa being replaced with a plastic green one prevents Kirisus father from obtaining the papers after the fire, but the first "accidental" D-Mail should still be sent which sets off the chain of events that leads to Mayuris death, right?


Yes, the D-Mail is still sent and past Okabe goes through the same events but this is what our Okabe wants to happen. The video D-Mail specifically states that Okabe must not undo the three weeks he spent with Kurisu because it is the reason he wants to save her in the first place.

Also, the sending of the D-Mail is a convergence point, meaning it has to happen in Beta. So, with Okabe's trick to fake Kurisu's death (which works the second time because he didn't try to prevent the D-Mail from being sent), past Okabe does end up sending the D-Mail. He goes through the same events that our Okabe went through in episodes 2-22, but after he deletes the D-Mail from SERN's database, Okabe ends up in the Steins;Gate worldline instead of Beta because in the original timeline before he sent the D-Mail, our Okabe saved Kurisu and destroyed the time machine papers.

Hope that made sense. Yes, the past Okabe does send the D-Mail but that's what we want. He sends it, goes through the exact same stuff, deletes it, but then ends up in Steins;Gate because our Okabe had faked Kurisu's death and replaced the metal upa.




So, the past Okabe (lets say Okabe 1) goes through the whole story again and deletes the entry from SERNs database. This takes them to the STEINS GATE Line, right? But to which point? Do we know that?

Also, the other Okabe (lets say Okabe 2), which traveled from the past to his present arriving in the hospital is in the STEINS GATE line, right?

So, Okabe 2 is at one moment replacing Okabe 1 in STEINS GATE, right?

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Hikase said:

So, the past Okabe (lets say Okabe 1) goes through the whole story again and deletes the entry from SERNs database. This takes them to the STEINS GATE Line, right? But to which point? Do we know that?

Also, the other Okabe (lets say Okabe 2), which traveled from the past to his present arriving in the hospital is in the STEINS GATE line, right?

So, Okabe 2 is at one moment replacing Okabe 1 in STEINS GATE, right?



It is ambiguous. We know that past Okabe sends the D-mail and goes through the events of epsiodes 2-22 and then arrives at the Steins:Gate worldline when he deletes the D-mail but that's all we know. In terms of what time this is, it's the same as episode 22 then, which was three weeks later.

Yes, the present Okabe is in the Steins;Gate worldline now and is in a sense, replacing the past Okabe.
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Thanks again for your help :)

So basically, the past Okabe gets to the Stein Gate line around 21/8 and our "real" Okabe goes back to his present, which is also around 21/8, so we have to take it as it is and accept that it only matters that he is now in the Steins;Gate.

Thank you!
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Just want to thank everyone for explaining stuff on this forum, I had a couple of q's and queries after the show finished, but due to responses on here, it's all clear now :)
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Great anime, at the beggining it's a little slow, but at the half you know the characters, thier stories, and the story. The last chaps are amazings much action, distorsion of events, dies and dies.

Simply i love it, keep me aware and desesperate in some situations, i knew coz i watch boku dake and play with travels time and butterfly effect, i love both at the same, great anime.
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I really need a Steins Gate expert for this question. I haven't played the visual novel but I have a feeling it's equally vague at this point. When Okabe goes with Suzuha in the time machine to finally reach the Steins Gate world line, he makes it seem like Makise is dead by using his own blood. He then goes with Suzuha back into the time machine to return to the point in time they departed from, this time being on the Steins Gate world line. My question is, the Steins Gate world line has no time machine, so how would the original Okabe (the one who sent the first D-mail) leave to be replaced by the bleeding Okabe? We see Okabe get out of the hospital, meaning that this was the bleeding Okabe that just saved Kurisu, but what technically happens as Okabe and Suzuha are returning to the new world line? Suzuha disappears, but does bleeding Okabe land the time machine and go to the hospital? If so, what the heck is the original Okabe doing after he sends the first D-mail, now presumed to be deleted from SERN's records? If Suzuha isn't there to pick him up, then he'd still be around when the time machine arrives with bleeding Okabe. The anime totally glosses over this part and I'm curious to get a better idea of exactly what happens.

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WOW look at those poll results! Thank god this anime didn't disappoint :)
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