| It was a missed opportunity to add in s4 i never understand why they had to tell us 'ohh he created that move', its annoying. For instance, in Naruto, the rasen shuriken was created by naruto because he train for it and he presented that jutsu with his fight against kakuzu but he had to do it twice just to kill him cuz it was a new jutsu. The anime showed to us how much he train to tjhis jutsu and it was a hype moment when he did it. Whereas, in this movie, dude just pull that move and claims that he created, when we know he could only perform the first form lol Mod Edit: removed derogatory language |
SushiRoeSep 14, 9:25 AM
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Reply to SoloNecromancer
dude worked hard alone in the training arc.
i think you should go back and watch it before you spell sme bla! bla! bla!
i think you should go back and watch it before you spell sme bla! bla! bla!
| @SoloNecromancer bla! bla! bla! you asked for it. i mean sure, but to pull off first try is crazy. i still wouldnt take it, u cant name ur season training arc without letting us see some of it lol |
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Reply to DragyG
Move was quite cool in the theater that's all I need to be satisfied.
+ Demon Slayer's pacing has so much issues adding Zenitsu trains without actually showing what he trains for on top of the countless flashbacks would have killed the pacing for good.
+ Demon Slayer's pacing has so much issues adding Zenitsu trains without actually showing what he trains for on top of the countless flashbacks would have killed the pacing for good.
| @DragyG well i didnt said that, add it in the s4 |
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Reply to Magpareddi
Why are you trying to brainwash us all into thinking Zenitsu innovativeness is some new sht lol
The first form originally was one-fold, but he made it into six. Also, we see him do another refinement in the red light district arc
All in all, a better question you should be asking is if you've seen the previous seasons
The first form originally was one-fold, but he made it into six. Also, we see him do another refinement in the red light district arc
All in all, a better question you should be asking is if you've seen the previous seasons
| @Magpareddi again, whats the point of that arc if we aint seeing him train it lol what a dumb explanation. at least, give me some example or discuss about then trying to be smartass lol. if u checked my list, u will know if watched the series u tool |
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| This whole fight and Kaigaku's appearance as a demon was very forced. Just to squeeze Zenitsu in and give him a fight. He wasn't suited to fights with the others, so he got his own special fight, but it wasn't good. I don't know what's worse, his butt attack or Tanjiro's attacks, who learns totally powerful moves because he remembered something from the past lol |
Natsude_tanaka said: @SoloNecromancer bla! bla! bla! you asked for it. i mean sure, but to pull off first try is crazy. i still wouldnt take it, u cant name ur season training arc without letting us see some of it lol He didn’t just invent it on a whim. He literally says to Kaigaku he was working on it to fight alongside him and only just perfected it. Assuming it’s first try when we never saw him practice it (literally your complaint) is crazy when there’s nothing to indicate that. Also you mentioned Rasensuriken needing to be used twice, that doesn’t apply for this because the whole point is it’s faster than any of the other 6 forms. He could only ever do the first form which is all speed based, but Kaigaku is used to it so he had to use a form he hadn’t seen that’s even faster. If he missed it would’ve ruined the moment |
ahan0306 said: Natsude_tanaka said: @SoloNecromancer bla! bla! bla! you asked for it. i mean sure, but to pull off first try is crazy. i still wouldnt take it, u cant name ur season training arc without letting us see some of it lol agreed against an upper moon no less too. it is demon slayer tbfπβοΈ Not just “an upper moon” bro it was Kaigaku. Zenitsu literally calls him a bottom feeder cuz that’s all he is, he’s so weak compared to other uppers Muzan preferred to put him at upper 6 and leave upper 5 open than just put him at upper 5, and unlike Akaza neither the crows nor Muzan even mentioned him getting defeated like they do not care Also Yushiro literally said he hadn’t mastered his blood demon art yet like please pay attention to what you’re watching dude |
Reply to TheColdMayor
Natsude_tanaka said:
@SoloNecromancer
bla! bla! bla!
you asked for it.
i mean sure, but to pull off first try is crazy. i still wouldnt take it, u cant name ur season training arc without letting us see some of it lol
@SoloNecromancer
bla! bla! bla!
you asked for it.
i mean sure, but to pull off first try is crazy. i still wouldnt take it, u cant name ur season training arc without letting us see some of it lol
He didn’t just invent it on a whim. He literally says to Kaigaku he was working on it to fight alongside him and only just perfected it. Assuming it’s first try when we never saw him practice it (literally your complaint) is crazy when there’s nothing to indicate that.
Also you mentioned Rasensuriken needing to be used twice, that doesn’t apply for this because the whole point is it’s faster than any of the other 6 forms. He could only ever do the first form which is all speed based, but Kaigaku is used to it so he had to use a form he hadn’t seen that’s even faster. If he missed it would’ve ruined the moment
| @TheColdMayor You’re saying he was “working on it,” but that’s exactly the issue. there’s zero build-up or payoff shown to the audience. In storytelling, especially with shonen, the impact of a new technique comes from us actually witnessing the struggle, training, or hints leading up to it. Otherwise, it feels like the writers just dropped it in for convenience. Naruto’s Rasenshuriken wasn’t hype just because it was strong but we saw the effort, the failure, and the eventual payoff. Here, we don’t see him train or fail, so when he suddenly pulls it off in a critical moment, it feels unearned. Also, saying “we never saw him practice but he was working on it” is basically headcanon. If the anime doesn’t show or at least foreshadow it, then it’s the same as pulling it out of nowhere. Good writing doesn’t rely on the audience to fill in the gaps |
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Natsude_tanaka said: @TheColdMayor You’re saying he was “working on it,” but that’s exactly the issue. there’s zero build-up or payoff shown to the audience. In storytelling, especially with shonen, the impact of a new technique comes from us actually witnessing the struggle, training, or hints leading up to it. Otherwise, it feels like the writers just dropped it in for convenience. Naruto’s Rasenshuriken wasn’t hype just because it was strong but we saw the effort, the failure, and the eventual payoff. Here, we don’t see him train or fail, so when he suddenly pulls it off in a critical moment, it feels unearned. Also, saying “we never saw him practice but he was working on it” is basically headcanon. If the anime doesn’t show or at least foreshadow it, then it’s the same as pulling it out of nowhere. Good writing doesn’t rely on the audience to fill in the gaps Idk what more to tell you man, it was intended as a surprise. We went in with the same knowledge as Kaigaku, thinking of him as weak when in reality we didn’t know how strong he had gotten. Also it’s not headcanon, as I pointed out he literally told Kaigaku he was working on it so he could fight alongside him, meaning he’s been working on it for a while. Like he literally said he trained the move |
| I don't stress over these silly stuff. Going to watch the Movie tomorrow, I'm hyped as Fk. Demon slayer & Chainsaw man Movie back to back within 2weeks in theatres. |
| WISHED I COULD ALSO GET TRANSPORTED TO A WORLD FULL OF MAGIC And DUNGEONS, please take me there too if you could (β β ββ βΏβ ββ β )β β‘ |
| Huh I thought that the 7th form was just common sense. 7th form is an upgraded version of 1st form. He was only able to handle that speed after training his body to the utmost limit in season 4. Just like how he couldn't use Godspeed at the start, but as he trained his body, he was able to use it. |
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| I don't see anything wrong with it, he was fighting someone he knew using thunder breathing so he would have an idea on what kinda moves he would throw at him. He obviously didn't just come up with it and randomly through it at Kaigaku that's stupid. He trained for it and held his strongest card closest to him. Information gets passed around the upper moons if he used it prior they could know this like how Douma already knew about Shinobu's poison. I promise you on everything if Kaigaku knew about the seventh form he would have adapted to it and killed Zenitsu. Zenitsu hiding that form until the last possible moment was the only reason he won. It was simply showing us a culmination of his prior training and his ability to play on his strengths. |
| There’s so many “many months of training” moments in this series. Nothings out of nowhere. It doesn’t make sense to say that unless you can say you were watching them every day. So we didn’t see him working on it. Why is that bad? The author didn’t want to focus on that. They wanted to focus enough on other things. You act like the series should be hated for this but it’s such a non issue. No one is asking this to be Shakespeare. It’s a shonen anime. |
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Reply to Jollyne7
This whole fight and Kaigaku's appearance as a demon was very forced. Just to squeeze Zenitsu in and give him a fight. He wasn't suited to fights with the others, so he got his own special fight, but it wasn't good. I don't know what's worse, his butt attack or Tanjiro's attacks, who learns totally powerful moves because he remembered something from the past lol
Jollyne7 said: go rewatch S2I don't know what's worse, his butt attack or Tanjiro's attacks, who learns totally powerful moves because he remembered something from the past lol  https://demonslayer-mangaonline.com/manga/demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-chapter-82/ selfless state mode Tanjiro  god speed Zenitsu |
alfian07Sep 14, 3:37 PM
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Reply to Magpareddi
Why are you trying to brainwash us all into thinking Zenitsu innovativeness is some new sht lol
The first form originally was one-fold, but he made it into six. Also, we see him do another refinement in the red light district arc
All in all, a better question you should be asking is if you've seen the previous seasons
The first form originally was one-fold, but he made it into six. Also, we see him do another refinement in the red light district arc
All in all, a better question you should be asking is if you've seen the previous seasons
| @Magpareddi Yeah, putting Zenitsu's annoying personality aside, he was special enough to be chosen as one of two heirs to the Thunder Breathing style by a former Hashira. We saw how special he was in battle on multiple occasions. While he could only perform the first form, he refined that single technique to such an extent that he could fight effectively even against Upper Moon-tier enemies, especially when he was in his "serious mode." It's also easy to forget that he taught Tanjiro a very useful trick for significantly speeding up his movements. It's not hard to imagine Zenitsu eventually breaking his limits and creating a brand new form that combines everything he has learned. That's how new forms are typically born, both in Demon Slayer and other series... and in real life in general, lol. Zenitsu's behavior in Season 4 added to the mystery of his sudden change. It felt like his "serious mode" had become permanent, without the need for him to faint from stress. The same goes for his less frequent appearances and rigorous training, despite him whining just before. Viewers might have wondered "What happened?" and "Why?", and everything became clear in Akaza's Return. It was a nice payoff, if you ask me. This part of Zenitsu's story goes well the wise words said once by Bruce Lee: "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times". He might've known only one technique of the Thunder Breathing style, but he truly turned it into thoroughly refined and deadly weapon. |
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Reply to Natsude_tanaka
@SoloNecromancer
bla! bla! bla!
you asked for it.
i mean sure, but to pull off first try is crazy. i still wouldnt take it, u cant name ur season training arc without letting us see some of it lol
bla! bla! bla!
you asked for it.
i mean sure, but to pull off first try is crazy. i still wouldnt take it, u cant name ur season training arc without letting us see some of it lol
| @Natsude_tanaka how do you know it was first try? Nowhere did he say it was first try. In fact he said he worked hard in perfecting it so he could use it first time to fight alongside his senpai. Are you actually the type that thinks if the story doesn't show you and spell out for you what happens, then it didn't happen? Do you know anything about story writing at all? Do you need all information spoonfed to you? Jeez... |
Reply to Magpareddi
Why are you trying to brainwash us all into thinking Zenitsu innovativeness is some new sht lol
The first form originally was one-fold, but he made it into six. Also, we see him do another refinement in the red light district arc
All in all, a better question you should be asking is if you've seen the previous seasons
The first form originally was one-fold, but he made it into six. Also, we see him do another refinement in the red light district arc
All in all, a better question you should be asking is if you've seen the previous seasons
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Reply to Natsude_tanaka
@TheColdMayor
You’re saying he was “working on it,” but that’s exactly the issue. there’s zero build-up or payoff shown to the audience. In storytelling, especially with shonen, the impact of a new technique comes from us actually witnessing the struggle, training, or hints leading up to it. Otherwise, it feels like the writers just dropped it in for convenience.
Naruto’s Rasenshuriken wasn’t hype just because it was strong but we saw the effort, the failure, and the eventual payoff. Here, we don’t see him train or fail, so when he suddenly pulls it off in a critical moment, it feels unearned.
Also, saying “we never saw him practice but he was working on it” is basically headcanon. If the anime doesn’t show or at least foreshadow it, then it’s the same as pulling it out of nowhere. Good writing doesn’t rely on the audience to fill in the gaps
You’re saying he was “working on it,” but that’s exactly the issue. there’s zero build-up or payoff shown to the audience. In storytelling, especially with shonen, the impact of a new technique comes from us actually witnessing the struggle, training, or hints leading up to it. Otherwise, it feels like the writers just dropped it in for convenience.
Naruto’s Rasenshuriken wasn’t hype just because it was strong but we saw the effort, the failure, and the eventual payoff. Here, we don’t see him train or fail, so when he suddenly pulls it off in a critical moment, it feels unearned.
Also, saying “we never saw him practice but he was working on it” is basically headcanon. If the anime doesn’t show or at least foreshadow it, then it’s the same as pulling it out of nowhere. Good writing doesn’t rely on the audience to fill in the gaps
| @Natsude_tanaka Dude the build-up was in the Hashira Arc. You NEVER see Zeinizu serious. All I could think of when that ended was "what was in that letter that made him so serious about his training and why train alone?" And when the movie was teased, all I could think about was "what was in that letter that made him overcome his fear to fight and his need to always be asleep in order to fight?" Zeinitsu actually overcame a humongous hurdle all by himself and the fact that we didn't get to see it and we only see the contrast between the bratty kid that cries every 2 seconds that he used to be and the almost man-like person he is in this movie, makes it all the more impacful. This is powerful storywriting and it's an intentional technique and it all went way over your head and I feel sorry for you because it means you didn't get to enjoy the story to its full potential |
| The Zenitsu fight actually felt incredibly well done to me, obviously he trained and achieved that move, which was the most powerful thing he had to use in his arsenal. We know he was solo training prior to this so having a new move isn't unexpected at all. Reactions stating something to effect of that are just being obtuse. But he used his knowledge his opponent had of him against him, he knew that Kaigaku knew he could previously only ever do the first form, and likely looked down on him and never thought too much of him. So he waited for the opportune moment, when Kaigaku thought him defeated and was assured of his own victory for Zenitsu to unleash his trump card as a last ditch attack to behead him in one fell swoop, catching Kaigaku totally by surprise. To me it felt like without the way he played that fight and catching Kaigaku off guard like that, he loses that fight, but he totally outwitted him to clutch victory. Kaigaku would've thought it impossible that Zenitsu still had a secret technique, powerful enough to immediately behead him...and that's why it works. If he had come in guns blazing, throwing his best moves out then he loses, but he allowed his opponent to underestimate him and used that to create an opportunity to catch him off-guard against a killing blow. |
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| Pretty much the issue with Zenitsu as a character. He goes from coward to badass almost entirely off-screen. People say this is development, but development is not just having your character change, especially overnight, but how you communicate that change. Zenitsu quite frankly spends way too much of the story being only a competent fighter when he is asleep without it being seen as what it is. A crutch, not just in terms fighting ability, but how he develops as a character Not that I do not appreciate his ending scene with Gramps, it truly is a deeply emotional moment, but I feel that his screen time for the entire series could have been utilized much better rather than rushing his development in the last few arcs. Did not the prior story arcs not serve as enough motivation to become stronger? |
PeripheralVisionSep 16, 10:09 PM
"Have we not eaten while another starved? Will you punish us for that? Will you reward us for the virtue of starving while others ate? No man earns punishment, no man earns reward. Free your mind of the idea of deserving, the idea of earning, and you will begin to be able to think.” |
| I also rolled my eyes at that. But the whole series is full of out-of-nowhere revelations and power-ups. It's strange to me that Zenitsu's move in this movie is what crosses the line. As an anime-only, Zenitsu reading a letter and suddenly going dead-serious in the Hashira Training arc was already deeply weird and confusing. Zenitsu's First Form Eight-fold revelation in the Entertainment District arc was similarly "huh?". Zenitsu unveiling a secret power move to one-shot an Upper Moon is par for the course. (For the record, I still liked him in the movie) |
Reply to Zahyra
@Natsude_tanaka how do you know it was first try? Nowhere did he say it was first try. In fact he said he worked hard in perfecting it so he could use it first time to fight alongside his senpai. Are you actually the type that thinks if the story doesn't show you and spell out for you what happens, then it didn't happen? Do you know anything about story writing at all? Do you need all information spoonfed to you? Jeez...
| @Zahyra urr i mean why wouldnt it be a first try, since he never shown it or use it on anyone. so i should just believe his words then huh? ds is notoriously with relaying information through dialogues, they dont show, they just tell u how they feel and what they are seeing. Like earlier in the movie, shinobu just tells us she smell blood, why not just focus on her nose sniffing something and walk into the direction of the smell indication she smell something, isnt that better writing lol. i like you to show me not tell me thats how i want to be fed, and its very rare for ds to do those things of just show dont tell. idk what makes you say Zahyra said: Do you need all information spoonfed to you? the things is is one very short moment of him receving the letter and thats it, we could at least have a fodder character watching zenitsu from a distance talking about him training very serioues or whatever and thats enough to tell us he's working on something. U cant just say ohh ive been working on this secretly without sahring a bit of the crumbs to the audience. Give us a clue or anyything lol i mean its cool for you to see that fight in that way but i couldnt get past on how many flashbacks were thrown in that fight. i think i could think like you if the flashback was just briefly shown and simple to just say yeah zenitsu overcome his obstacle or whatever. i mean i still got the message but it wasnt satisfying to me anyway. |
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