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Jun 26, 2:44 PM
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Am I the only one that was bothered by the overuse of CGI this Season? Even in close-up shots, they overused CGI, making the fights feel wanky and unprofessionally done. Is there a reason why they used this approach instead of just animating all of it (or at least the close-up and important shots)? It really was a bummer because we finally got over the fan service part and started having an interesting plot (to give credit where credit is due, actual plot started from Season 4), only to be ruined by the overused CGI everywhere.
Jun 26, 2:51 PM
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They just know that it'll be the die-hard fans only that'll watch it so they don't care. Bad thing it bogged down a lot of the emotional scenes though
Jun 26, 3:05 PM
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They even used the horrible CGI in scenes that were just the characters talking sometimes.
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Wait till bro finds about “The Duke of Death and His Maid” and hell, I’ll even throw chainsaw man in there if he hates the god damned fights so much. People love to complain about CGI

I’d also like to argue that the cgi wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to the cgi in bocchi the rock’s concerts
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Jun 26, 4:06 PM
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This problem was more glaring in 4th season. Anyway, Geektoys is rather infamous for their bad visuals.

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SenshadouOtaku said:
Wait till bro finds about “The Duke of Death and His Maid” and hell, I’ll even throw chainsaw man in there if he hates the god damned fights so much. People love to complain about CGI

I’d also like to argue that the cgi wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to the cgi in bocchi the rock’s concerts

Ah yes, the usual CSM CGI hate. CSM had one of the best looking CGI in recent years which blended in nicely even though it was minimal when talking about how much of it there was in the whole season. I myself don't like CGI at all since 95% of the time it looks like absolute ass.

Now for DAL CGI... That was a fuckin joke, lets be honest here. It was jank as heck, looked like plastic dolls trying to do some movement and it wasn't only for like a few scenes, there were almost full episodes of just CGI fights and whatever. Even when nothing was happening, the character models were in the damn CGI...

I don't even understand how do people rate this season as 10/10. Half of the shit that was going on barely made any sense. Tbh, if it wasn't for Kurumi, I would have either dropped this series after the first few seasons or just stopped watching the new ones.
Jun 26, 4:36 PM
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The CGI didn’t bother me because I have seen enough anime with actual bad CGI and anime with good CGI, The CGI was just mid.

The CGI was just inconsistent, but to be honest given the circumstances that Geek Toys is in (the company that funds them is going bankrupt) and how their other projects have gone, I’m not surprised that they used a good amount of CGI for DAL. Overall I still think they did a good job with the adaptation, even with the anime original season ending.
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GTRaijin said:
SenshadouOtaku said:
Wait till bro finds about “The Duke of Death and His Maid” and hell, I’ll even throw chainsaw man in there if he hates the god damned fights so much. People love to complain about CGI

I’d also like to argue that the cgi wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to the cgi in bocchi the rock’s concerts

Ah yes, the usual CSM CGI hate. CSM had one of the best looking CGI in recent years which blended in nicely even though it was minimal when talking about how much of it there was in the whole season. I myself don't like CGI at all since 95% of the time it looks like absolute ass.

Now for DAL CGI... That was a fuckin joke, lets be honest here. It was jank as heck, looked like plastic dolls trying to do some movement and it wasn't only for like a few scenes, there were almost full episodes of just CGI fights and whatever. Even when nothing was happening, the character models were in the damn CGI...

I don't even understand how do people rate this season as 10/10. Half of the shit that was going on barely made any sense. Tbh, if it wasn't for Kurumi, I would have either dropped this series after the first few seasons or just stopped watching the new ones.

No anime has ever been this butchered for the last 3 seasons like Date a Live
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Same reason any other anime studio uses CGI

Time, lack of animators , budget etc
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GTRaijin said:
SenshadouOtaku said:
Wait till bro finds about “The Duke of Death and His Maid” and hell, I’ll even throw chainsaw man in there if he hates the god damned fights so much. People love to complain about CGI

I’d also like to argue that the cgi wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to the cgi in bocchi the rock’s concerts

Ah yes, the usual CSM CGI hate. CSM had one of the best looking CGI in recent years which blended in nicely even though it was minimal when talking about how much of it there was in the whole season. I myself don't like CGI at all since 95% of the time it looks like absolute ass.

Now for DAL CGI... That was a fuckin joke, lets be honest here. It was jank as heck, looked like plastic dolls trying to do some movement and it wasn't only for like a few scenes, there were almost full episodes of just CGI fights and whatever. Even when nothing was happening, the character models were in the damn CGI...

I don't even understand how do people rate this season as 10/10. Half of the shit that was going on barely made any sense. Tbh, if it wasn't for Kurumi, I would have either dropped this series after the first few seasons or just stopped watching the new ones.

I gave it 9/10 for Mio only tbh i really liked her
Jun 27, 1:38 AM

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It was honestly bothering but not that much, there really isn't anyone who go to watch Date A Live because of the animation.
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Wait till bro finds about “The Duke of Death and His Maid” and hell, I’ll even throw chainsaw man in there if he hates the god damned fights so much. People love to complain about CGI

I’d also like to argue that the cgi wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to the cgi in bocchi the rock’s concerts
SenshadouOtaku said:
Wait till bro finds about “The Duke of Death and His Maid” and hell, I’ll even throw chainsaw man in there if he hates the god damned fights so much. People love to complain about CGI

I’d also like to argue that the cgi wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to the cgi in bocchi the rock’s concerts


Granted, it could be worse, but the inconsistency is what makes it bad. We go from normal to uncanny valley and back to normal again. I've seen worse anime before (KamiKatsu, which has CGI that looks like it came out of PS1 and they literally took a real life video, deepfried it, and put an anime face on the person for a scene), but at least it was easy to get used to because it was bad from the start and never became good (plus, it was for comedic purposes). I never had any issues watching that anime. The inconsistency here is what makes it bad.

As for Bocchi The Rock, they did a decent job (in my opinion) blending it with the actual anime style. Here, they did the exact opposite. It was foul of them to use CGI on close-ups and talking shots. It is inevitable that CGI will very likely look bad in a 2D environment (of course, there are exceptions like Ufotable, but they have unlimited budget), but this was beyond that. Personally, I feel like it would have been much better if they animated it a little better and drew the close-ups and dialogue like normal. But hey, I am just a random guy in the internet, so it's not like anything will come out of this anyways. I just wanted to voice my opinion and see who else felt the same about it.
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SenshadouOtaku said:
Wait till bro finds about “The Duke of Death and His Maid” and hell, I’ll even throw chainsaw man in there if he hates the god damned fights so much. People love to complain about CGI

I’d also like to argue that the cgi wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to the cgi in bocchi the rock’s concerts

Ah yes, the usual CSM CGI hate. CSM had one of the best looking CGI in recent years which blended in nicely even though it was minimal when talking about how much of it there was in the whole season. I myself don't like CGI at all since 95% of the time it looks like absolute ass.

Now for DAL CGI... That was a fuckin joke, lets be honest here. It was jank as heck, looked like plastic dolls trying to do some movement and it wasn't only for like a few scenes, there were almost full episodes of just CGI fights and whatever. Even when nothing was happening, the character models were in the damn CGI...

I don't even understand how do people rate this season as 10/10. Half of the shit that was going on barely made any sense. Tbh, if it wasn't for Kurumi, I would have either dropped this series after the first few seasons or just stopped watching the new ones.
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What exactly didn't make sense in this season?
Jun 27, 3:25 PM

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I agree with OP. The CGI in this season was horrible, and very clunky.



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There are 3 things that I want to say:

1. Date a live was never the best looking show, the fights always looked stiff, and by s3 it was basically a power point presentation. Besides MAYBE S1, seasons 4 and 5 have far better fight scenes, even when they are in CGI.

2. The art style is so much nicer now. S1-S3 looked like every other anime. completely generic. But s4 and s5 gave the show an art style that stands out so much more and gives it a real identity.

3. The most important fight of the season which was from episode 8, looked absolutely fantastic, and was by far the best looking fight in the entire series.
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This problem was more glaring in 4th season. Anyway, Geektoys is rather infamous for their bad visuals.
@Piromysl Are they? they have barely made any shows but dead mount death play looked pretty decent.

And the 2 Kurumi mini movies looked great, I think this was clearly a budget/time issue.

Though I will say, s1-3 didn't look great either. S3 in particular looked abysmal. Just because the problem with animation is "cgi" instead of other issues, it doesn't make it worse. I would actually say it looked better than the early seasons. Maybe not better than s1, but s2 and specially s3 are well below it.
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I don’t like the CGI very much either but I don’t think it completely ruins the entire thing. It’s more annoying than anything.
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Are they? they have barely made any shows but dead mount death play looked pretty decent.

The fact that 93% of their anime has the exact same animation quality issues (With Plunderer and Ningen Fushin being the worst ones out of them) should tell you their credible as a studio lol. Not to mention they almost went bankrupted couple of months ago (Well, not really bankrupt but being merged with their parent company) due to all those below average products they've made so far.
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Are they? they have barely made any shows but dead mount death play looked pretty decent.

The fact that 93% of their anime has the exact same animation quality issues (With Plunderer and Ningen Fushin being the worst ones out of them) should tell you their credible as a studio lol. Not to mention they almost went bankrupted couple of months ago (Well, not really bankrupt but being merged with their parent company) due to all those below average products they've made so far.
@MahiaErebeaNegi Have you seen the average anime? It doesn't look better than their works, If anything I would say they are like a 6/10 studio.

they are definitely not the best, not even close. But they are certainly not bad enough to be infamous for it. And again, dead mount death play actually looked really decent. And idk if I can credit this to the studio since it's mainly thanks to the staff, but that show also had fantastic music and sound design.
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APolygons2 said:
Have you seen the average anime? It doesn't look better than their works

Give me an example of any anime that came anywhere near as close as these:




The only recent examples I could think that are even comparable are this and this rather infamous one lol.

GEEKTOYS is just Studio A-CAT but at least somewhat more competent and knew exactly when to not mess things up (DAL IV/V for example). I would agreed that they're far from being the worst, but a lot of people certainly do overlooked their shitty record because DAL IV/V ended up being so good that they already forgot about the other bad anime they've made in the past few years. It's miracle that they even managed to made DAL and DMDP looked as good as it did.

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If anything I would say they are like a 6/10 studio.

For me, I would give them 5.5/10 rating (6/10 is way too much for them) at best and 4/10 at worst.
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APolygons2 said:
Have you seen the average anime? It doesn't look better than their works

Give me an example of any anime that came anywhere near as close as these:




The only recent examples I could think that are even comparable are this and this rather infamous one lol.

GEEKTOYS is just Studio A-CAT but at least somewhat more competent and knew exactly when to not mess things up (DAL IV/V for example). I would agreed that they're far from being the worst, but a lot of people certainly do overlooked their shitty record because DAL IV/V ended up being so good that they already forgot about the other bad anime they've made in the past few years. It's miracle that they even managed to made DAL and DMDP looked as good as it did.

APolygons2 said:
If anything I would say they are like a 6/10 studio.

For me, I would give them 5.5/10 rating (6/10 is way too much for them) at best and 4/10 at worst.
@MahiaErebeaNegi I think the difference in our opinion is mainly from the fact that I have not seen the shows you named as their worst, and you sèem to have not seen dead mount death play which is them at their best (it has like a 6.5-7/10 production value)

I mean just watch this fight: https://youtu.be/pU788UvCCuE?si=C6gOSbj69WhiIv0w

I'll be it its the best looking fight in season 1, but it looks pretty damn great.
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SenshadouOtaku said:
Wait till bro finds about “The Duke of Death and His Maid” and hell, I’ll even throw chainsaw man in there if he hates the god damned fights so much. People love to complain about CGI

I’d also like to argue that the cgi wasn’t all that bad. At least compared to the cgi in bocchi the rock’s concerts

Bruv, Duke of Death and is Maid is barely a point, it's all CGI so you get no whiplash from constant art style shifts. Add on top that the story is reasonably good for what it is.

Chainsaw Man? Honestly, I barely noticed the CGI other than the op, and it's chainsaw man it holds itself up on the story alone.

Bocki the Rock...not seen it yet, no comment.

Date a Live s5...The CGI was badly incorporated with the art style, and fuck me they even gave up and used CGI in some talking in scenes. Then the story...the usual benefits that decent animation does for a story haven't been present in Date a Live anime for a while now.

All this to say the story kind of shat itself near the end, it could be the adaptation's fault...but in the end Date a Live s5 was rushed out the door leading to disappointment. So no matter how good you think the LNs are this adaptation and it's CGI have not done it any favours since maybe the s1, s2 and maybe S3.

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APolygons2 said:
I think the difference in our opinion is mainly from the fact that I have not seen the shows you named as their worst, and you sèem to have not seen dead mount death play which is them at their best (it has like a 6.5-7/10 production value)

Except that I DID watched DMDP both first and second cours (I even mentioned that anime on my previous comment lol), that's the only other exception that actually have a consistent production quality.

There's a reason why the other guy claimed GEEKTOYS is quite infamous for their bad visual/animation quality on this thread. None of the other anime they worked on even come close to DMDP's production level at all, let alone DAL IV/V level of quality. Not sure about Migi and Dali tho since I haven't watch it.

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