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Turtles_Hunter said: Kumiveneella said: To counter that argument - and only this one - that kind of effect has been used for psychoframes resonance ( CCA - 1988, Unicorn 2010 - 2014), the moonlight butterfly (Turn A - 1999) and Trans-Am Burst (00 s2 - 2009). It feels more like a reference to other gundam than a yuri thing. How was it subtle in anyway, I mean the Gundam literally turned into rainbows, the title was colored in rainbows and the main characters are clearly married. Zccdcccc said: [snip] I still hate ZZ Gundam way more than this one, but holy shit it wasn't good. Pretty much saved by the absolutely gorgeous production values, and Suletta and Guel, pretty sympathetic characters. Overstuffed series, Okouchi should have seen things in a smaller scale to do things correctly. This or Gundam really should go back to a 4-cour format. I cant agree more on Suletta and Guel being sympathetic characters that end kinda carrying the hot mess this was. And at this point Okouchi has more trainwreck to his cv than good show. I feel like the guy only shines when paired with a good direction, that has a sense of the global story they wanted to tell, and it's obviously what this show lacked. They kept throwing spaghetti at the wall, in hope some them would stick. GrimAtrament said: Clearly never seen turn A or G gundam if you thought it was going to have a dark ending while pulling a lot from thoose two. Also only UC stuff is know for its dark bleak endings not really the others. G is known to be the most atypical gundam. And I don't know how you can think Turn-A is positive. It may not be a "kill them all ending", but Your grasping at straws there. if you base the entire idea on happy ending on one character then there is no happy endings in anything. compared to basically every UC era show Turn A has the happiest ending. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
Turtles_Hunter said: You both seem to be forgetting that the rainbow is not a gay symbol in Japanese culture. It reminds me how people literally speculated about the gay symbols in Pokémon because Ash's friend was jumping over a river and they showed a rainbow reflected in the spray as he jumped. Other than that, I don't think it needed a bad ending to be good. The problem is not that it's not dark enough, it's that it's too light if you know what I mean. The whole ending literally screams lazy astral shit and the power of friendship with which you can end absolutely any show. And not only is this as lazy as possible, as for me it just destroys the idea of Gundam as a military sci-fi drama.Kumiveneella said: To counter that argument - and only this one - that kind of effect has been used for psychoframes resonance ( CCA - 1988, Unicorn 2010 - 2014), the moonlight butterfly (Turn A - 1999) and Trans-Am Burst (00 s2 - 2009). It feels more like a reference to other gundam than a yuri thing. How was it subtle in anyway, I mean the Gundam literally turned into rainbows, the title was colored in rainbows and the main characters are clearly married. Zccdcccc said: [snip] I still hate ZZ Gundam way more than this one, but holy shit it wasn't good. Pretty much saved by the absolutely gorgeous production values, and Suletta and Guel, pretty sympathetic characters. Overstuffed series, Okouchi should have seen things in a smaller scale to do things correctly. This or Gundam really should go back to a 4-cour format. I cant agree more on Suletta and Guel being sympathetic characters that end kinda carrying the hot mess this was. And at this point Okouchi has more trainwreck to his cv than good show. I feel like the guy only shines when paired with a good direction, that has a sense of the global story they wanted to tell, and it's obviously what this show lacked. They kept throwing spaghetti at the wall, in hope some them would stick. GrimAtrament said: Clearly never seen turn A or G gundam if you thought it was going to have a dark ending while pulling a lot from thoose two. Also only UC stuff is know for its dark bleak endings not really the others. G is known to be the most atypical gundam. And I don't know how you can think Turn-A is positive. It may not be a "kill them all ending", but |
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blazinblazin said: So much complains but people still finished the whole Witch from Mercury anyway. It's definitely still an enjoyable Gundam. Did you have the excitement of waiting for next episode of Witch from Mercury? if you look at the poll on this thread it's a vocal minority. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| Yes, vocal minority. And the point is not at all that there are always noticeably fewer people commenting on episodes than leaving ratings. And not everyone who comments necessarily puts them themselves. In general, as usual, any unwanted opinion is marked as a vocal minority, even if before that people themselves complained about the over-representation of this opinion, lol. Wind_Falcon said: Now imagine that Franxx had yuri or that it officially belonged to Gundam. It seems to me that a lot of current complaints about G-Witch remain the elephant in the room due to the fact that people see it solely through the prism of yuri and therefore either exaggerate the quality of it or are blind to the issues that they could openly attack in otherwise.As average as a show can get. Battling it out for most mediocre mecha among high-ish profile ones in recent memory (at least from what I've seen personally) with Darling in the FranXX. Though I do think FranXX was at least more focused in what it wanted to be, even if that something wasn't any good at all and painfully generic. Witch is downright incompetent in terms of writing, an absolute embarrassing disaster on that front. The characters were also especially insufferable. Pretty disappointing considering the prologue had a tone similar to Thunderbolt (and with episodes like S2E3/15 came somewhat close to on very rare occasion), which remains my favourite among the small number of Gundam titles I've seen. Come to think of it, Reconguista in G was also pretty average, yet I just remember it more as being bland and forgettable (I almost don't remember anything from it, but it had some dumb writing and wasted character potential as well), rather than having downright terrible aspects like Witch. Truly a worthy battle between titans of mediocrity. |
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Huntee1999 said: People speculate that G-Witch's real purpose was a quick trendy advertisement to draw attention to more orthodox Gundam merchandise and shows, or that they had some sales problems between seasons, etc. But to be honest, I don't know if they could say more AFTER this arc.It wasn’t a bad finale. But they really rushed to the ending. It’s the exact opposite problem of the first season. And it was a better season for it but idk why it had to end here. Story could have easily kept going for more seasons. But they just wanted to wrap it up super quickly. Can’t help but be a bit disappointed. |
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Xlegius said: Everything is simpler, only one. All of them are my virtuals and those who criticize the finale of the show too. If SSSS Gridman had a dude who thought that everyone who didn't ship Rikkane were virtuals of his imageboard archenemy, why is G-Witch worse?It's literally the same 4 dudes spamming the thread with their conspiracy theories lol. |
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Wind_Falcon said: You are not alone. The show never even positioned itself as a romance, and judging by how during the interview with VA they could not even properly discuss yuri fan art, the staff seemed to have some sort of ban on direct discussion of romance in the show (they even had to hide Suletta behind the word "holder" for no apparent reason when they speculated about how Miorine's wedding could have been depicted in the finale), except for the straight scenes, which seem to be the only could exist and be discussed openly. For example, during the confession to Guel in episode 17, they fap very hard on it, while cutting off Suletta's reaction and continuing to discuss their intimate moments with the most general "true feelings" and so on. At the same time, this is quite enough for shippers who declare any characters that are friendly with each other as a canonical couple, and then there’s also a formal engagement. So for them everything was "obvious" from the first episodes. I don't know if they are a vocal minority, don't want to sound like the kids above, but the number of people who instantly turn any criticism of G-Witch into a homophobic accusation is really impressive.RobertBobert said: Right up until the epilogue I actually didn't think there even was a romance between the two main heroines, just the internet being it's usual degenerate self. A basic (but fundamental) rule of writing is Chekhov's gun - all elements of a story must meaningfully contribute to it, and if they don't it's better to cut them entirely. The yuri "romance" was executed exactly as how many anime portray regular normal straight friendships. Nowhere did the show hint at a possible intimate love between the two, or even just establishing that they are bi/lesbian. This whole plot thread basically didn't exist textually until the final scenes of the ending, so it doesn't contribute positively or negatively anything to the show. Really, it should have just been entirely cut if for one reason or another it was decided that this is the extend to which they want to portray it. It's a perfect microcosm of how terrible and incompetent the writing is, but there are plenty of other more serious blunders in terms of actually having major negative impact on the quality of the show.Now imagine that Franxx had yuri or that it officially belonged to Gundam. It seems to me that a lot of current complaints about G-Witch remain the elephant in the room due to the fact that people see it solely through the prism of yuri and therefore either exaggerate the quality of it or are blind to the issues that they could openly attack in otherwise. I doubt this barely sketched in yuri "romance" has had any impact on the show's popularity or reception. There is a tiny but *very* loud minority of people obsessed with this and similar topics which may skew that perception if all you are going by is online discourse, but really I just think the show with its terrible school setting and generic drama fits better among the average mainstream anime shit eater, hence the numbers. It seemed so pointless and contradictory to premise, especially in the context of the fact that after Miorine's words about the familiarity of same-sex relationships, we never saw anything like this except for the subtle relationships of the girls themselves, that I myself am still intrigued by the reasons for this. They were really trying to sell it to countries with homophobic censorship, they were afraid of too much backlash from the traditional fan base, or is it really that Ichiro could write yuri but couldn't natural lesbian relationships, I don't know. The situation when, even being married in the finale, the characters are limited to random comments of the side characters and visual hints, is really strange. |
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RobertBobert said: icefirestone23 said: So, do you think this show was really the easiest commercial bait to get people back into traditional gundam content in the most commercially appealing way possible? But it was taken very controversially as a result of high expectations and false ambitions when the show began to alienate the franchise's traditional audience from itself?Cosmic era has been dormant for almost 2 decades. Sure you can mention the remasters and the kit releases but they won't drum up hype as a sequel. So if they announced the movie, it would sort of be out of nowhere. By announcing just at the end of wfm, people will be out for more Gundam and Gundam will be fresh on their minds. Especially women since all women yearn for the pretty boys like shown in seed. As for why make g witch in the first place, my guess is women x women relationships in popular in Japan. Like lyco reco, magi revo, love live. Lesbian porn is one of the most popular porn search terms. Men get turned on if they see a feminine woman trying to make out another feminine woman. It is common to see female seiyuus shows pda and flirt with other female seiyuus. The ships were common in the 2000s with kira x lacus, arthrun x Cagalli, Shinn x stella, mu x ramius. Sunrise actively advertised it. People hated Yuna for marrying cagalli for the omni orb alliance. 00 setsuna was too cold and detached. Similiar for Mikazuki from ibo but he was too short. https://youtu.be/JzEgY5L08r8 Nearly half the voters for seed were women. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-05-06/nhk-reveals-full-results-of-ultimate-gundam-poll/.131228 Also seed prioritized political drama first than relationships arose after that. Plus it had killer sleek sexy ms designs. The au is still the most popular in Japan 20 years after airing. So a lot of men like seed. The problem with wfm is it alienated male Gundam fans and gay shippers are way more toxic than straight shippers since they will bring in identity. They focused too much on ships vs a story so people just saw it as a yuri show. Also making the girls lolis seemed like a way to prevent the show from getting more adult and pulled by networks. All the anitubers that hyped it never seen the core universal century and have low experience gundam in general. Sunrise has never intended this of other au to become a long running series. Those who hoped for seasons 3 and beyond got their hopes crushed today. This is like a record for the fastest a gundam au has ended. The fans that came solely for g witch either can watch the main series or go home Most gundam aus get forgotten a few years after airing unless they really push it for kits like wing and seed. A lot of them like Turn A flopped and are like forgotten 00 was a big example where you saw like very few mgs after trailblazer. Sunrise still wants people to watch the original saga (79, zeta, zz, cca) or 79 at the least. Why else does the one year war constantly get revisited. Also they want you to be invested in cosmic era. Which is why they made so many kits, remastered it, gave a new series. |
| I thought this show was gonna be longer :/ Didn't really like how they never expanded on Olcott and the rest of the Earthians |
| kind of a rushed finale, but it was a pretty good show overall any Gundam show is always welcomed |
| I wanted to like the ending, but the whole thing felt very rushed at the end, I wished they cut some fluff from earlier episodes to flesh out the ending more. I'm glad Suletta made it even though she's now disabled, but her sacrifice was very noble. A good series 7/10 but I wasn't satisfied with the rushed magic ending. |
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| could've used a hour long run time with the amount of plot lines they had going it really did feel rush but they managed to at least make it enjoyable in a not very gundam like ending which was their reward for all the suffering and i mean it's not like everything is perfect in the world going forward but man i'm amazed by how safe they really did play it this for sure feels like a more mainstream breakout for a gundam mainline which i hope has brought in some more fans even if this was toy to get people to grab more kits i don't think sunrise will leave these characters alone for good i had a lot of fun and pain with G witch 8/10 due to some people i'm sure we couldn't get a kiss or anything but it seems pretty clear they got together which is nice still not enough gayage |
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| Absolutely shit-tier gundam series and this is somehow who loves watching gundam/mecha. 4/10. The finale was absolute garbo. |
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| It's funny, even tough Mio and Suletta are married, they still act and look llike friends. Just shows you that you can't speedrun to the result without the necessary development inbetween. A kiss or a wedding wouldn't have fixed that either. It's still a good outcome in the sense that LGBTQ+ people in anime get a little bit of representation. There was no outrage from japanese or chinese fans, so that might be a sign that gay or lesbian relationships in mainstream anime aren't such a big deal after all. A happy ending by itself is fine, but it doesn't really felt earned and kinda sours the whole exxperience. All the plot holes and magic newtype bullshit aside, my biggest gripe with the ending is that everything seemed to be pointless. Like, just what was the point of the whole story? And how the hell did Prospera did get off scott-free? It makes the show feel like a big waste of time and tbh that sums up G-Witch pretty well. |
| That was a good ending man! Stil... this end was for a long story, not just 24 eps. |
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| The only aspect I genuinely liked was the character design. This 2nd season felt unnecessary and they could have wrap it up in 12 episodes instead of makin long time fans like us suffer. I really hope this was an experiment and something we will never see again. I quite enjoyed the woman MC but every other aspect was rubbish. |
| It was FINE I guess. To me this was just a generic sci-fi in Gundams skin. I would say season 1 was slightly better, and its ending giving me hope for a darker turn. But nah.. There were so many concepts and storylines that could've been expanded on but it feels like the writers wrote themselves into a corner and pulled a Deus Ex Machina, the end :) But considering the target audience for this show, they probably succeeded in this case. This is only a step above Gundam AGE, which isn't saying much since that was absolute garbage. Such a waste after that excellent OVA. 6/10 Ost, art and animation was great, that's about it. |
| So everything to do with Gundam just disintegrates like it was never there. Ans so ends the curse. Typical romanticism. Happy end in a Gundam, thats new. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
animegamer245 said: Haven't watched Zeta but IBO defo ain't happy end. Unless you meant vengeance.dasprn said: It's not unless the only Gundam you ever watched was Zeta or IBO.So everything to do with Gundam just disintegrates like it was never there. Ans so ends the curse. Typical romanticism. Happy end in a Gundam, thats new. |
| When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Ending was rushed as expected. If only they didn't waste valuable screentime on pointless subplots... |
animegamer245 said: Darker ends you mean.dasprn said: I meant both of them were outliers in response to your Happy endings are new to Gundam comments. Gundam series having tragic endings is a common misconception, usually from people who only watched IBO.Haven't watched Zeta but IBO defo ain't happy end. Unless you meant vengeance. |
| When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Oh wow What a Finale!! It was beautiful, have a lot of heart moment, Animation was Amazing, and my god The OST was so good!! I didn't think they will wrap up the story in this season, ngl that felt kinda rushed but i get it. but hey it's a Happy Ending!! Nice, no more depression. Overall my very first Gundam, I am really enjoying it a lot. 8/10 from me, it would be 9 if they didn't rushed the ending on this season. |
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| They made Witch From Mercury with obtaining new fans to Gundam in mind and I think it was a massive fucking success. Personally speaking, this is my very first Gundam show and now I have a crippling Gunpla addiction, about to build my first RG soon, but right now, I really cannot wait to get my hands on Schwarzette and Calibarn, definitely my 2 absolute favorite designs in the show. I understand that from the Gundam veterans perspective, this might not be the greatest of Gundam series, but as a new fan, this was absolutely fantastic and an excellent entry point to the Gundam Universe. I am planning on watching the original Gundam series movie trilogy soon, I'd watch the series, but I simply don't have the time. Witch From Mercury will have a special place in my heart and it's a 10/10 in my heart, but objectively speaking, I can't give it a 10, my main problem is that they could have still done a lot more, 2 more cours would have been absolutely perfect, but I still love the show, I love the characters, I love the mobile suits, I only wished there was more. At the very least, Sulemio is married. I think they can still make more though if they wanted too, there is a lot of holes they can still fill. Though I pray for my wallet if they actually make more Witch From Mercury kits. Anyway, this was an excellent Gundam series for new fans and I am very glad to have watched it, it introduced me to Gunpla, which is an amazing and soothing hobby. 9/10 P.S. El0n with the based resignation and Guel best boy, Felsi best girl. Now when's my Dilanzas arriving. |
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Wind_Falcon said: Indeed, it seemed like conflicts between various factions and corporations would play a much larger role. Prologue also made many people expect that there would be way more deaths later on. School setting from season one was a slow build up, but there was still some hope that it would really go into some big war later on. Contrary to expectations, we haven't seen much of these conflicts. Also no one has been punished for their actions, Prospera was spared, just like these old ladies from Peil (although it seems they lost power over their corporation).Pretty disappointing considering the prologue had a tone similar to Thunderbolt (and with episodes like S2E3/15 came somewhat close to on very rare occasion), which remains my favourite among the small number of Gundam titles I've seen. |
| Wow what an finale to an anime, I'm glad it ended on a good note this time. Suletta really saved everyone and everything was finally over and done with. The animation was incredible as well. Looks like Ericht got transformed into the keychain so that's a plus sign and there were some sad moments as well. Even though i didn't like Prospera I'm glad that she got to see her own child. Elan also became a part of the data storm so that's interesting. I'm also glad that we got to see how they became older and started living their own lives. Miorine surely has to do some stuff still on Earth because there are still people angry about the gundams. Wow Prospera is in a wheelchair and she became really old, at least she has Suletta to take care of her. Miorine & Suletta got married as well so that's also nice, I wish a happy life for those 2. What a ride it has been for Suletta & Miorine and the rest but all that ends well in the end. 8/10.  |
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| Talk about fumbling it right at the finish line, the show was so great up until they tried to cram everything in to the last two episodes. I wish I lived in the reality where Witch From Mercury had 50 episodes, a Fire Emblem: Three houses style time skip with character glow-ups. At least I have the full soundtrack release to look forward to. |
| Too much fairy tale bs at the end. We had a lot of complicated relationships that needed some kind of logical resolution, and we got a wave of a wand. None of that made any sense. |
| It ended way too soon, but man was it good! Probably my favorite from AU. 8/10 but would've been a 9 if they'd continue because there is so much more to this universe and characters that can be explored. |
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| Some were skeptical on whether or not all the loose ends could be wrapped up in a single episode, and were expecting another season to complete the story. However, the last moments here are doing exactly that: going around and wrapping up loose ends. Maybe there's a bit more that we want to see, but ultimately it does end with a sense of finality. The end card does display a "thank you for watching till the end!" after all. Which I think is fine. I like it when stories are focused and don't overstay their welcome. The 24-or-so episodes for this gundam seemed just about adequate. It felt like things progressed quickly, and I do like it when the story moves fast. Although maybe, a little TOO fast? You can skip this paragraph if you're one of the odd souls that reads people's walls of text. The following is just a me-thing. Gotta be honest and state again that I kind of got lost somewhere along the way. There's a lot going on, and eventually I lost understanding on what and why things are happening. Just to name a few, I still don't fully get what permet scores or data storms are, or even what quiet zero is exactly. What's the deal with the whole spacian vs earthian thing, or what's going on with the benerit group other than the obvious struggle for power? Clearly I need to re-watch all this, and I do plan to. That said, something tells me that things moved along a little TOO quickly, and that even my slow mind should be able to keep up with a well-paced narrative. This to me seems more like a story-based, well, story, rather one based on characters. Like the story is more important than the characters, which are there simply to support the story. At least I personally was more invested in story rather than characters. So it certainly doesn't help that I was not fully onboard on knowing what exactly what was happening. But again, just a me-thing, my fault for maybe not paying attention well enough. I'll probably not dwell on all this too much since it would be better for me to talk about it if I actually understood everything. For now, let me just praise what I do know for sure: and that is this f*cking legendary soundtrack. This was glorious, second-to-none in all of any anime I've ever watched- except maybe perhaps to Kevin Penkin's work for Made in Abyss. Other than that, wow. It's epic, no other simpler way to describe it. Heck even with all the space battles and what not going on, I still feel like the background music deserved even MORE at times. It fit the scenarios, but to me the music was still greater than even what was happening on screen. Can't stop gushing over how good it was. When or if I do come back to re-watch this, it will half be to understand the story better, and the other half just to enjoy this nearly-unparalleled soundtrack. The events that transpired fell like they were moving at the speed of collapsing dominoes. Things felt a little too sudden times, keyword FELT. Maybe I'll see that I was wrong upon a re-watch. But I still thing that while I like it contained in these 20+ episodes, I probably wouldn't have minded, or maybe even preferred, maybe up to even 30 episodes for Gundam: The Witch From Mercury to play out. For now, I'm glad that I had picked this up, and am quite surprised that it hasn't garnered any more attention that it already has. 7.4/10 |
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| Really fucking good ending, no other words suffice. Calibarn-Aerial was exactly what I wanted, and was aghast that we might not get after Eri's apparent departure last episode, but Suletta bringing her back on her own terms was the best way to cement their reformed relationship. Now if only El4n had got into the other keychain, that'd have been perfect. Completely destroying both Bennerit and Gundams was a perfect way to echo Suletta and Miorine finally coming together, casting away both of their hinderances in one fell swoop as the pair came together, truly excellent. And mirroring their very first meeting, that's just classic. Bringing everyone from Episode 0 back was touching, but also exactly the sort of call-back I really enjoy. It really brought the whole show back around and put everything that happened into perspective, both for Prospera and the viewer. Sweet montage at the end, too, seeing El5n finally getting a break and the Peil women effectively retired was just great. And Eri said sister-in-law. That means canon marriage, let's go. Definitely the best Gundam in years, on par with 00 if not better. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| Is this because I'm getting older, or was it just rushed and too happy in the end to be really good ? |
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