Meusnier said:RuneRem said:
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/02/nyregion/princeton-puzzle-where-have-jewish-students-gone.html
There you go.
THE NEW YORK TIMES everyone. Talking about how Jews usually 25%-33% of Ivy Leagues are "underrepresnted" at Princeton. Jews are 2% of the population.
And the NYT have the audacity to assert the standard for Jewish representation should be a quater of all students, and if its less, well the Main stream media raises the issue.
Compare that to the Guardian discussing Anglo representation.
One groups overrepresentation is empowered, the other's is an issue for "diversity".
@Noboru
Nobody is advocating affirmative action for Jews. Fred A. Hargadon, Princeton's dean of admissions, says his office does not consider religion at all and does not view the religious composition of other colleges as a useful measure.
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/02/nyregion/princeton-puzzle-where-have-jewish-students-gone.html
Quote from your article... Jews have always been over-represented in mathematics and other sciences, so the concern raised in the article is legitimate (because what matters in the end is to attract as many gifted people as possible), especially when one knows the troubled history of America with anti-Semitism. George David Birkhoff is one famous example who opposed to the recruitment of many Jewish mathematicians in Harvard.
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Birkhoff/
You can keep quoting this opinion piece from the Guardian, bit it does not give any weight to your initial point that white people allegedly suffer from "under-representation." You should stop painting yourself as a defender of "representation" if you only support it when it benefits you. That is extremely hypocrite.
QPR said:
True but what I am pointing out there is institutionalised racism and sexism and it's al directed against straight white men. The police turned down a man for a job who won in court. The reason was he didn't get any woke points being a straight white male.
I know there is racism and under-representation for other but it's not because of barriers. It's because of a few arsehole individuals.
If we want strict quotas we have to get rid of 90% of black footballers and and 23 whites, 1 Asian and 1 black white for each squad which matches the UK ratio. How do you think that would go down?
You either apply quotas to everything or nothing.
It is not institutionalised, you are
legally protected against discrimination, as your example shows.
On the other hand, racism cannot be reduced to an issue about a few "bad apples" to paraphrase you politely, and one could deem it institutionalised.
I am not defending quotas (which are especially stupid in niche jobs; do you want to restrict the number of Protestant mathematicians in France?—that are another over-represented group if my memory serves right; it was definitely over-represented in Bourbaki's group), but some awareness should be raised about systemic issues of racism in many organisations.