Is the any actual genuine deconstruction anime or manga that follows its actual philosophy (and not tv tropes's version of it)?
| So some of you may already know about the concept of deconstruction, but most people who knows about it on this website are more familiar with the TV tropes version of the concept which is taking a trope and tearing it apart by showcasing it's realistic consequences (for example, the villain attacking a magical girl during her transformation sequence as an answer to why is the villain doing absolutely nothing during those moments in which is used as filler and save time on making the anime's episodes). I've seen some people saying that anime like Evangelion and Madoka magica are not real deconstructions, or even they aren't deconstructions in the TV tropes context and they just simply are edgy shows and nothing else. So, anyone who understands the philosophy of deconstruction knows if there's any anime or manga that follows the original philosophy of it? |
| I know your PTW list is bigger than your completed list. |
| If it's Anime, i remember Eren breaking the anime law by interrupted Warhammer Titan transformation https://youtu.be/rorUN4ZjiNA For manga i'm not sure tho, maybe Fire Punch by Tatsuki Fujimoto has some kind of Mind-blowing moments that u never see before (i just can't remember clearly) but you should try read it. |
WevhxSep 19, 2022 8:58 PM
| I mean if we’re talking genuine deconstruction, I think Perfect Blue fits into that category. It lays down all its parts for the viewer, and the sum of those parts depends on how the viewer decides to put them together. It’s genuinely really cool watching the narrative of Perfect Blue unfold. Thematically, there’s so much to unpack, and there’s so many small details that change the way you interpret scenes depending on how you view them. Going by the TV tropes definition, which is really just more of a subversion of expectations, The Scum Villlain’s Self Saving System is my favorite for how it accidentally completely subverts and attacks the “I can fix him” trope. Genuinely the ML was better off in the original timeline before the mc interfered. |
MrPerfectGamer said: If we are talking about complete genre deconstruction then Kubera webtoon definitely qualifies. From the synopsis, it seems like a fairly typical fantasy Shounen action-adventure but soon the reader will be confused because of lack of visible milestones coupled with mountain pile of questions and the result, well... it's like marketing a mystery novel as a superhero comic. If you want a thorough explanation of why you should read Kubera and what NOT to expect from it then I suggest visiting this spoiler free webpage. https://vatoto.com/forums/topic/18622-essay-kuberas-massively-multi-layered-mysterydrama-structure/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_c1bffac2b28f02219fb06d6368ab366e01be1607-1628685988-0-gqNtZGzNAjijcnBszQai This webtoon is my second favourite comic because of its excellent power system, consistent plot, One Piece level foreshadowing, dynamic characters, deep lore, intriguing mystery, tragic undertone, shocking reveals, grey morality and great World building. Kubera sounds interesting, i just added it to my list. |
| I know your PTW list is bigger than your completed list. |
| Cringe Weeb Opinions Time Steins;Gate. The show, and by extension the VN, break everything down to a perfectly scientific level. Everything in the show lines up with reality. From Kerr Black Holes to Einstein’s theory of relativity, the show is a perfect scientific masterpiece. It also breaks the norm of other Sci-Fi/Romance/Slice of Life anime by instorducing elements of tragedy and a penultimate struggle against fate itself. Every episode can be rewatched to discover something new that you didn’t even notice before. Every plot hole is convolutedly filled somehow, leaving your brain swimming for answers, while simultaneously slapping yourself for not noticing something earlier. Chekhov’s gun, tragic irony, etc. Steins;Gate is truly a literal masterpiece. |
| Didn't really understand how the "TV Tropes version" differs from the mainstream, not to mention that the site itself is full of edgy weebs who use "deconstruction is not subversion or a dark attitude" to remove this trope from the pages of shows they don't like . |
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| I will say Kamen rider series have a lot of moments like that.. City hunter as well |
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Eternal-Destiny said: So, anyone who understands the philosophy of deconstruction knows if there's any anime or manga that follows the original philosophy of it? I am unable to answer this question, as I only know the TV Tropes definition. |
| その目だれの目？ |
RobertBobert said: Didn't really understand how the "TV Tropes version" differs from the mainstream, not to mention that the site itself is full of edgy weebs who use "deconstruction is not subversion or a dark attitude" to remove this trope from the pages of shows they don't like . From what i understand, the diference of regular subversion and their version of deconstruction is that deconstruction is specifically focused on showing the realistic consecuences/outcomes of a trope whereas the subversion can be anything else but that (such as subverting a trope in a comedic way) TheMechaManiac said: Eternal-Destiny said: So some of you may already know about the concept of deconstruction, but most people who knows about it on this website are more familiar with the TV tropes version of the concept which is taking a trope and tearing it apart by showcasing it's realistic consequences (for example, the villain attacking a magical girl during her transformation sequence as an answer to why is the villain doing absolutely nothing during those moments in which is used as filler and save time on making the anime's episodes). I've seen some people saying that anime like Evangelion and Madoka magica are not real deconstructions, or even they aren't deconstructions in the TV tropes context and they just simply are edgy shows and nothing else. So, anyone who understands the philosophy of deconstruction knows if there's any anime or manga that follows the original philosophy of it? No. There simply isn't any medium that follows deconstructivist philosophy. All "deconstructions" are just playing about with established cliches. To truly "deconstruct" you'd have to tear everything apart without the cliche remaining in the first place. So how do you think a piece of fiction, anime or not can truly deconstruct in the way you said? UrbanAuto said: Derrida, the creator of the deconstructionist movement and deconstruction as a whole, had on many occasions openly said that "Deconstruction is not a method, and cannot be transformed into one" (Derrida and Différance). Now mind you, what deconstruction itself actually is, is VERY MUCH, debated. But Derrida does make clear that deconstruction really isn't represented in any anime and it's very unlikely it can be. So to answer your question, no there isn't. So does that mean that applying true-to-its-original-definition deconstruction is actually impossible to do in fiction (audiovisual stuff at least)? |
| I know your PTW list is bigger than your completed list. |
Eternal-Destiny said: RobertBobert said: Didn't really understand how the "TV Tropes version" differs from the mainstream, not to mention that the site itself is full of edgy weebs who use "deconstruction is not subversion or a dark attitude" to remove this trope from the pages of shows they don't like . From what i understand, the diference of regular subversion and their version of deconstruction is that deconstruction is specifically focused on showing the realistic consecuences/outcomes of a trope whereas the subversion can be anything else but that (such as subverting a trope in a comedic way) TheMechaManiac said: No. There simply isn't any medium that follows deconstructivist philosophy. All "deconstructions" are just playing about with established cliches. To truly "deconstruct" you'd have to tear everything apart without the cliche remaining in the first place. So how do you think a piece of fiction, anime or not can truly deconstruct in the way you said? UrbanAuto said: Derrida, the creator of the deconstructionist movement and deconstruction as a whole, had on many occasions openly said that "Deconstruction is not a method, and cannot be transformed into one" (Derrida and Différance). Now mind you, what deconstruction itself actually is, is VERY MUCH, debated. But Derrida does make clear that deconstruction really isn't represented in any anime and it's very unlikely it can be. So to answer your question, no there isn't. So does that mean that applying true-to-its-original-definition deconstruction is actually impossible to do in fiction (audiovisual stuff at least)? In the context of TV Trops, subversion is usually used when the author really wants to use something as an example of a trope, but this is different from the actual definition. |
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