does time/era/place/culture settings of a show matters when considering the morality of the anime?
| i say yes different place/era/times/culture means different way of life inspired by the recent controversy of that new Isekai Harem anime normalizing rape and slavery as its critics says https://myanimelist.net/anime/44524/Isekai_Meikyuu_de_Harem_wo so thoughts? |
degAug 3, 2022 5:00 PM
| intent is what is most important. I haven't seen the show you're talking about but it quite obviously is ecchi. Taishou Otome Otogibanashi on the other hand created some controversy because the main girl is sold as a bride to a rich family. I guess this sort of thing happened in real life back in the olden times. The top review for it immediately implies that it caters to some kind of degenerate "incel" fantasy. Which it totally does not. Unless it is degenerate to watch a show about an incredibly nice girl suddenly appearing in the life of a sad boi and watch as she heals all of his emotional burdens with the power of positivity. |
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| Yes, the morality in anime totally depends on time/era. I would allow killing in historical anime but that were to happen in normal daily life modern time, that's obviously against the law. I don't know about the anime you mentioned and normalising rape is strange but if I watch that and see how the setting takes place, maybe I wouldn't mind? I mean, we look at how the culture is executed. |
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| no, it does not matter at all. the show exists as a product of our own time and culture. you can depict something like slavery in a realistic manner without being an apologist for it. in fact you can only depict the perspective of a slaveowner and still not be an apologist. |
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| It's what the show is trying to convey to the viewers, so setting does matter. In the anime Isekai Meikyuu de Harem wo, the guy buys a slave. She is a slave. It's a world where slavery still exists. He FUCKS his slave, that's what slaves are for. I will never understand the mental retardation these people have for complaining about non consensual sex in an anime where slavery exists. If you have so much problem him fucking his slave, shouldn't him buying a slave in the first place be the thing you question his morals for? I mean good people don't buy humans, am I right? "Oh he could've done a better job, you know, to not rape her?" She is a slave, do you think slaves generally get a decent lifestyle? There is no controversy. |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
| Anyone defending that is horny-brained, and needs to lay off the hentai. There's rarely ever a piece of art (excluding pornography) that doesn't have at least one indication any action, or idea in question is morally wrong to the author. Salo, for example, portrays that it's wrong with depressing cinematography. Serbian Film portrays it's wrong with the emotions of the main character. And if there isn't such a thing, and it isn't for a fetish, it's probably that the author is endorsing it. So either he's fine with it, or he's into it. And I don't think either is a good enough justification to put slave-rape into an anime. But I haven't watched that trash, so maybe the MC becomes clinically depressed after he rapes the slave, and then has to see a psychiatrist, or depressing orchestral music plays over the scene. |
hypergoobAug 3, 2022 6:42 PM
| I won't listen to anyone who says otherwise. But if one supports immorality, that's where the problem begins. |
hypergoob said: I've only heard of the movie but I know it's an adaptation of The 120 Days of Sodom by Sade, a libertine. I have trouble believing there's any kind of morality behind it outside of the viewer's judgment.Anyone defending that is horny-brained, and needs to lay off the hentai. There's rarely ever a piece of art (excluding pornography) that doesn't have at least one indication any action, or idea in question is morally wrong to the author. Salo, for example, portrays that it's wrong with depressing cinematography. Serbian Film portrays it's wrong with the emotions of the main character. And if there isn't such a thing, and it isn't for a fetish, it's probably that the author is endorsing it. So either he's fine with it, or he's into it. And I don't think either is a good enough justification to put slave-rape into an anime. But I haven't watched that trash, so maybe the MC becomes clinically depressed after he rapes the slave, and then has to see a psychiatrist, or depressing orchestral music plays over the scene. |
and i guess that i just don't know |
| In a place where "it's just fiction" exists, all I can say is "I don't know" |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Kafka, Fu Xuan, Jingliu, Topaz and Huohuo. |
deg said: i say yes different place/era/times/culture means different way of life inspired by the recent controversy of that new Isekai Harem anime normalizing rape and slavery as its critics says https://myanimelist.net/anime/44524/Isekai_Meikyuu_de_Harem_wo so thoughts? If it is historical based, then yes I think it matters when considering the morality. However, in something like Isekai Harem... the setting is created by the author. It is not like he is trying to give an accurate portrayal of Roman times or something. The only reason there is rape and slavery, is because the author wanted there to be. |
I do not consider morality; such is for a lesser mind. |
chuuNTRon said: I've only heard of the movie but I know it's an adaptation of The 120 Days of Sodom by Sade, a libertine. I have trouble believing there's any kind of morality behind it outside of the viewer's judgment. I haven't read the novel, but the film has lots of shots which hold for far too long. And a few other tricks that make the mood more depressing than it should be (director implying that it should be depressing). Sade might've been a fetishist, but the director certainly wasn't. |
| In my opinion ALL controversy is welcome in anime format, all's fare in fiction. I'll also say that the time/era/place/culture are a yard stick by which I measure how often, intense and widely spread the controversial acts that transpire are. Arranged marriages. Abuse behind closed doors. Church & political acts of all kinds of abuse. Women and children markets. Human zeus. |
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| Depends entirely on context for me. If the anime is exclusively about people from another time/culture that do things a certain way, I expect the characters to behave to fit their society. That includes behaviour that I might personally find morally wrong. If the anime is about someone from OUR time and society travelling to another where morals are very different, I expect them to honor our real life morals, otherwise they become a villain in my eyes. Which, of course, is a valid path to take, I just don't wanna hear any bullshit from the creator or fans saying they aren't because the setting allows it. If the anime was MADE during a time before modern values, I'm generally very forgiving, since I just consider it a product of its time. I might cringe sometimes, but I can still enjoy it for what it is :) |
| Of course. I can't stand it when people start criticizing shows or characters for things that were never bad or controversial at this time. Or vice versa, when the authors make the characters act too progressively for such a period. |
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| Didn't we all watch Game of Thrones just couple of years ago? That show made it seem like rape and incest and murder were truly just another day, it's actually way more exaggerated than real middle ages. I feel like if this new anime generation watched a single episode of GoT they would have had a heart attack from amount of triggering ... wuh...incest? rape? masculinity? femininity? I can't take this,I'm shaking and crying right now... I gotta fire up twitter and make sure everyone knows I don't support this stuff...and anyone that enjoys watching that is clearly a monster deserving of most horrible punishment known to mankind...or sorry peoplekind... |
| Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. If the era/place is important part of the anime and it's events then yes it matters otherwise no. |
 The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
| Yes it matters, I do take that into consideration while judging the show but the way it's portrayed also matters because isekai shows simply take advantage of such a setting to justify their fetishes. Also the world being strangely modern only in certain aspects seems incredibly fishy to me. |
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| No. What does morality got anything to do with anime to begin with? |
| Ugh more isekai harem trash. Why am I not surprised. |
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| The problem is that a lot of times, what is taken as historical context is just a trope that is repeated enough to the point people think that's actually how it happened. In fact what most people regard as their knowledge in history is nothing but random trivia, a lot of times completely wrong, they acquired from pop culture. It's honestly so ironic how people will defend the "historical authenticity" of things like rape and slavery while completely ignoring the so fucking many inconsistencies and creative liberties that every pseudo-mediaeval setting have. |
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| Indeed, Koi Kaze is a very trashy romance that could be worse if age of consent in Japan were higher, the MC isnt a pedo but with the incest , the age gap, the pervert shit he does, the bad/basic romance and horrible animation, you still got an 3/10 show, if the plot were in some country with age of consent over 18+, the show will be a straight 1. |
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