Honzuki no Gekokujou: Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen 3rd Season Episode 10 Discussion

OmenAppreciator said:
I DIDN'T REALIZE SEASON 3 IS 10 EPISODES. I watched the end thinking, it will be interesting seeing myne's first few days in the noble society, and how her family reacts to being separated, but than it said "The story to be told is over", I started panicking, I open up the MAL page in a hurry, and I see it is in fact only 10 episodes! As tears leave my eyes I start googeling, could this mean the manga has also ended? While the result does allow me a moment of relief, it is quickly replaced by this bittersweet feeling, that there is hope, but only in the distant future.

el_morris said:
And with that, the story of Myne is over. Man, I'm kinda want to jump to the novels, what chapter should I pick up? Someone here knows?

KANLen09 said:
At least Delia got spared by going back to the dreaded orphanage[/b]

TheRockzSG said:


Being a slow pace isekai is part of the charm of this show imo. As the show have more time to develop it stories and its characters.

Xayahnatix1 said:
Honestly, this season would be the best season if it was adapted properly / it had atleast 12 episodes. Also the director of this anime tweeted (already deleted) that they had to fight for 10 episodes because the productions staff insisted 8 episodes.

kurizu said:

- Delia story was simplified (we see slaves leaving through door then Jenny and Delia, but in LN those slaves were desintegrated and Sylvester said that ALL High Bishop attendantes were to be executed together, that makes Myne promise with Delia little more relevant, also her punishment was little lighter at first but Sylvester kind of forced Myne to be more strict.)

KanameYuuki said:


I do feel bad about Jenni, she didn't get that once in a lifetime chance like the rest and had to keep doing the Flower offering and huh, well for anyone wondering what happened to her read the wiki entry, what a fate.

https://ascendance-of-a-bookworm.fandom.com/wiki/Jenni

el_morris said:
And with that, the story of Myne is over. Man, I'm kinda want to jump to the novels, what chapter should I pick up? Someone here knows?

shuffle_017 said:


I think, basically that was not a punishment to Delia.
situation at orphanage already totally changed unlike the past where it gave PTSD to Delia.

lucky her Myne exercised her power as a noble to spared her...
Myne helped her multiple times, yet she acted like a insufferable bitch....

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I read the manga for part 1 and part 2.
and it was and it is slower than anime.

and I love it. far more details and nuances compared to anime, and I imagine LN would be far more packed with details.
Should I give LN a try? hahaha

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wow, no wonder it lost lots of details...

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Hi, may i ask some question if you dont mind.

1) when you said "desintegrated ", did you meant like thanos's snap? became dust?
2) "Myne promise with Delia" referring to Myne promise to rescue her right?

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ouh danm...that's suck. hahahaha

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me too lad, hahaha

TheRockzSG said:

I have not read the manga so I am not sure, but the LN definitely is more detailed than the anime. The Anime also cut a decent chunk of content (Especially Season 3).



If you want to read the LN, I will strongly recommend you to start from the beginning. It might look scary but it will be worth it. Trust me

As for Delia’s punishment. I feel that it is a suitable punishment for her.
She mentioned that she want to be a mistress, and she hates the orphanage (possibly due to past trauma). So confining her in the orphanage and not allowing her to leave crushes her dream of being a mistress while forcing her back to the place she hates.
I think Myne do not want to separate Delia and Dirk. Delia view Dirk as her little brother. She understand how it feels to get separated from someone you love (Especially when Myne just got forced to separate from her family). So in my opinion, this punishment is the best possible punishment that Myne can give to Delia.

Paul said:
Somewhere in between this season and the previous season, the show just really became dull. Thankfully these last 2 episodes brought the show back up but sadly, at the same time they're also the last episodes of the season. Hopefully the wait for the next season won't be too long.

Alice3173 said:
Well this was an incredibly disappointing episode. The pointless and often nonsensical changes they made completely undermined the actual impact of Myne becoming Rozemyne. Whenever I reread part 2 volume 4 I always have to take a break in the middle of that meeting with her family after the battle against Bindewald and Bezewanst but here it just didn't have any emotional impact at all. In the novel this is one of two points in the entire story that we ever see Gunther cry, with the other being a point where Myne accidentally sees him at the dining room table crying after everyone has gone to sleep around the time that Myne decides not to sign with a noble to not die from the Devouring. In this scene in the novel, however, he is openly crying and quite distraught. But the anime makes this scene weirdly upbeat in comparison for some moronic reason when it's supposed to be quite sad.

There were also a number of nonsensical adaptation changes such as Bezewanst's crocodile tears because they apparently felt the need to make him seem even more pathetic than he already was. They also completely left out all mention of Veronica, Sylvester's mother and Bezwanst's sister, who was charged with treason for her role in all of this. The falsified papers Bindewald used to enter the city were made by her using Sylvester's official seal while he and Karstedt were attending the Archduke Conference outside the duchy. (The reason it took them so long to get back to Ehrenfest was because they were literally halfway across the country when Myne activated the pendant.) Basically the entire scene with Sylvester discussing Bindewald and Bezewanst's crimes was shortened massively, including where Myne was given the opportunity to turn Bindewald's accusations around on him with him pretty much visibly shitting himself when he realizes just how deep in trouble he is.

There's also other pointless attempts to make things seem less dark than they are. In addition to Delia going into Myne's Shield of Shutzaria while Ferdinand is dueling Bindewald, she actually allows three of Bezewanst's other attendants in. They ask her if she would allow them in since she allowed Delia and she responds with "if you can enter it then sure." Two of them safely get in but the third is launched away from it by the wind to the shock of her and Bezwanst's other retainers. Myne explains that she had malicious intent towards her and then she's vaporized by Ferdinand's duel with Bindewald.

The choice to leave Damuel less injured and conscious after his fight with Bindewald also turned out to have some really weird results since during Myne's final blessing they showed him asleep in a random bed and Freida was there. Which makes zero sense since the last time we saw him, he was conscious and in the temple with Myne and the others. In the novel, he's knocked unconscious and badly injured by Bindewald. After they arrive, the Knights Order takes him to his older brother Henrik's estate since it's close to the temple. Henrik is the noble that Freida is signed with and happened to be there when he was brought in and happened to be in the room when Myne's blessing healed him. Which itself was kinda hilarious because rather than simply waking up, he scared the crap out of Freida and the servant who was present by suddenly jumping up and drawing his wand since his last conscious memory was being in the middle of combat.

It also glosses over and doesn't really communicate some other things. For example, Myne's final blessing is shown in a way that it appears to include Karstedt and Sylvester. This was not the case however. It affected Myne's immediate family, Fran, Dirk, Damuel, Ferdinand, Benno, Mark, and Lutz. And later on when talking to Ferdinand Sylvester expresses surprise at her managing to give the blessing she did because a blessing from all the God of Darkness, Goddess of Light, and all of the Eternal Five is pretty much guaranteed to fail due to the relationship Ewigliebe has with the other gods. So this blessing was actually a big deal. Neither Sylvester, Karstedt, nor Ferdinand knew of anyone having succeeded at such a blessing.

They also didn't address Arno at all. He's actually been interfering in subtle ways since Fran first became Myne's attendant due to his dislike of Fran. Before Ferdinand came to the temple, the orphanage director was a woman named Margaret. She sexually abused some of the male orphans, of which Fran was one. (Arno on the other hand was not and he was jealous of Fran.) At some point she got pregnant from one of them and was barred from re-entering noble society so she committed suicide. When he heard Fran express relief at this, Arno ended up with a serious grudge against Fran and started doing anything he could to cause problems for Fran without it being so obvious he got in trouble for it. His suggestion of Myne becoming orphanage director and using those chambers as her own, for example? If you pay close attention in the anime you'll see that Fran has a somewhat subtle but noticeably negative expression when that happens. Arno did this on purpose to torment Fran since he knew Fran didn't want to go back there since that's where Margaret abused him. A more subtle one would be when Myne encounters Bezewanst on the way to the Dedication Ceremony. In the novel, Ferdinand actually comments that she arrived earlier than expected. This is not long after Fran had requested Arno slow down because he was walking too quickly for Myne to keep up. These two events combined with the later revelations on Arno's actions are meant to communicate that he'll even cause issues for Myne if it causes Fran distress. This was also the case when he told Fran that Ferdinand was absent. In reality, Arno was aware that if Fran showed up that Ferdinand would want to be notified of this. He chose not to do so though to cause Fran issues. Which directly led into the encounter between Myne's group and Bezewanst's group. As a result of all of this, when Ferdinand pieced things together, he had Arno executed.

One final thing that wasn't communicated at all in the adaptation is that Ferdinand and Sylvester both actually felt quite awful about having to tear Myne from her family like they did. Instead the adaptation makes them come across as far more unfeeling than they are. Well okay, maybe not so much in the case of Ferdinand who is extremely good at masking his feelings but definitely in the case of Sylvester. Not only did Sylvester end up tearing apart Myne's family but he also sentenced his uncle to death and his own mother to life imprisonment so he genuinely felt utterly awful about the entire situation.

To be honest, this entire season's terrible quality ended up coming across like the studio just really doesn't want to bother with it anymore. Even if they do make a fourth season I'm not sure that I'll even bother watching it because it was really just that awful. The first two seasons had issues but were overall quite good adaptations. This one was atrocious to put it politely. And their insistence on glossing over the darker parts of the Bookworm world is going to really put them in a bind. What should be the season finale of a fourth season is simply not something they can actually gloss over. so their options are to gloss over it anyways and cause issues for the adaptation's future or don't gloss over it and get panned for a massive and very sudden mood whiplash.

KaitoKumatsu said:
Wait a minute…this whole story was a prologue?!

NirvashX1 said:
god damnn holy shiett !!
the ending of this series so fucking awesome and heartwarming !!

9/10

Alice3173 said:
Well this was an incredibly disappointing episode. The pointless and often nonsensical changes they made completely undermined the actual impact of Myne becoming Rozemyne. Whenever I reread part 2 volume 4 I always have to take a break in the middle of that meeting with her family after the battle against Bindewald and Bezewanst but here it just didn't have any emotional impact at all. In the novel this is one of two points in the entire story that we ever see Gunther cry, with the other being a point where Myne accidentally sees him at the dining room table crying after everyone has gone to sleep around the time that Myne decides not to sign with a noble to not die from the Devouring. In this scene in the novel, however, he is openly crying and quite distraught. But the anime makes this scene weirdly upbeat in comparison for some moronic reason when it's supposed to be quite sad.

There were also a number of nonsensical adaptation changes such as Bezewanst's crocodile tears because they apparently felt the need to make him seem even more pathetic than he already was. They also completely left out all mention of Veronica, Sylvester's mother and Bezwanst's sister, who was charged with treason for her role in all of this. The falsified papers Bindewald used to enter the city were made by her using Sylvester's official seal while he and Karstedt were attending the Archduke Conference outside the duchy. (The reason it took them so long to get back to Ehrenfest was because they were literally halfway across the country when Myne activated the pendant.) Basically the entire scene with Sylvester discussing Bindewald and Bezewanst's crimes was shortened massively, including where Myne was given the opportunity to turn Bindewald's accusations around on him with him pretty much visibly shitting himself when he realizes just how deep in trouble he is.

There's also other pointless attempts to make things seem less dark than they are. In addition to Delia going into Myne's Shield of Shutzaria while Ferdinand is dueling Bindewald, she actually allows three of Bezewanst's other attendants in. They ask her if she would allow them in since she allowed Delia and she responds with "if you can enter it then sure." Two of them safely get in but the third is launched away from it by the wind to the shock of her and Bezwanst's other retainers. Myne explains that she had malicious intent towards her and then she's vaporized by Ferdinand's duel with Bindewald.

The choice to leave Damuel less injured and conscious after his fight with Bindewald also turned out to have some really weird results since during Myne's final blessing they showed him asleep in a random bed and Freida was there. Which makes zero sense since the last time we saw him, he was conscious and in the temple with Myne and the others. In the novel, he's knocked unconscious and badly injured by Bindewald. After they arrive, the Knights Order takes him to his older brother Henrik's estate since it's close to the temple. Henrik is the noble that Freida is signed with and happened to be there when he was brought in and happened to be in the room when Myne's blessing healed him. Which itself was kinda hilarious because rather than simply waking up, he scared the crap out of Freida and the servant who was present by suddenly jumping up and drawing his wand since his last conscious memory was being in the middle of combat.

It also glosses over and doesn't really communicate some other things. For example, Myne's final blessing is shown in a way that it appears to include Karstedt and Sylvester. This was not the case however. It affected Myne's immediate family, Fran, Dirk, Damuel, Ferdinand, Benno, Mark, and Lutz. And later on when talking to Ferdinand Sylvester expresses surprise at her managing to give the blessing she did because a blessing from all the God of Darkness, Goddess of Light, and all of the Eternal Five is pretty much guaranteed to fail due to the relationship Ewigliebe has with the other gods. So this blessing was actually a big deal. Neither Sylvester, Karstedt, nor Ferdinand knew of anyone having succeeded at such a blessing.

They also didn't address Arno at all. He's actually been interfering in subtle ways since Fran first became Myne's attendant due to his dislike of Fran. Before Ferdinand came to the temple, the orphanage director was a woman named Margaret. She sexually abused some of the male orphans, of which Fran was one. (Arno on the other hand was not and he was jealous of Fran.) At some point she got pregnant from one of them and was barred from re-entering noble society so she committed suicide. When he heard Fran express relief at this, Arno ended up with a serious grudge against Fran and started doing anything he could to cause problems for Fran without it being so obvious he got in trouble for it. His suggestion of Myne becoming orphanage director and using those chambers as her own, for example? If you pay close attention in the anime you'll see that Fran has a somewhat subtle but noticeably negative expression when that happens. Arno did this on purpose to torment Fran since he knew Fran didn't want to go back there since that's where Margaret abused him. A more subtle one would be when Myne encounters Bezewanst on the way to the Dedication Ceremony. In the novel, Ferdinand actually comments that she arrived earlier than expected. This is not long after Fran had requested Arno slow down because he was walking too quickly for Myne to keep up. These two events combined with the later revelations on Arno's actions are meant to communicate that he'll even cause issues for Myne if it causes Fran distress. This was also the case when he told Fran that Ferdinand was absent. In reality, Arno was aware that if Fran showed up that Ferdinand would want to be notified of this. He chose not to do so though to cause Fran issues. Which directly led into the encounter between Myne's group and Bezewanst's group. As a result of all of this, when Ferdinand pieced things together, he had Arno executed.

One final thing that wasn't communicated at all in the adaptation is that Ferdinand and Sylvester both actually felt quite awful about having to tear Myne from her family like they did. Instead the adaptation makes them come across as far more unfeeling than they are. Well okay, maybe not so much in the case of Ferdinand who is extremely good at masking his feelings but definitely in the case of Sylvester. Not only did Sylvester end up tearing apart Myne's family but he also sentenced his uncle to death and his own mother to life imprisonment so he genuinely felt utterly awful about the entire situation.

To be honest, this entire season's terrible quality ended up coming across like the studio just really doesn't want to bother with it anymore. Even if they do make a fourth season I'm not sure that I'll even bother watching it because it was really just that awful. The first two seasons had issues but were overall quite good adaptations. This one was atrocious to put it politely. And their insistence on glossing over the darker parts of the Bookworm world is going to really put them in a bind. What should be the season finale of a fourth season is simply not something they can actually gloss over. so their options are to gloss over it anyways and cause issues for the adaptation's future or don't gloss over it and get panned for a massive and very sudden mood whiplash.

shuffle_017 said:

Hi, may i ask some question if you dont mind.

1) when you said "desintegrated ", did you meant like thanos's snap? became dust?
2) "Myne promise with Delia" referring to Myne promise to rescue her right?

めくるめくるめくるめくるめく日々

kurizu said:


1) Yeah, he even commented to Myne something like "This is how you should remove evidence"
2) Yeah.



I am sad how much was cut but at the same time, I can imagine that LN contains so much content that if they would want to make it 1:1, they would need like 39 or 52 eps for just Part 2... Instead they cut here and there fitting it in 22 eps :(

shuffle_017 said:
is it just me or the bomb they droopped about Sylvester is a lord, and a brother to Ferdinand was a little be out of nowhere?

because, early introduction in anime Sylvester and Ferdinand interaction seem very casual. like a peer not like a lord with his retainer.

or i missed the nuances in anime?
since, the manga did not reach this part yet

KaitoKumatsu said:
Wait a minute…this whole story was a prologue?!

ghier said:

I do like all this detail and would have appreciated it in the anime. However, I think you should try considering the perspective of those adapting the material. Like why might they chose to make this show more kid-friendly? Or why couldn’t they adapt it with additional detail?

There’s almost certainly bound to be a reason. If you can figure it out, then maybe you can justify your anger. But it may also be that it wasn’t doable to make your ideal version of an anime adaptation.

shuffle_017 said:


1) damn. hahaha.
read the wiki thread about her. now I know how it happened. hahaha

2) noted.

damn, i think I should read LN.
i'll wait manga for part 2 finished translated/adapted first to see if details like this missing or not.

if not adapter as well, maybe go LN. hahaha

Alice3173 said:
Well this was an incredibly disappointing episode. The pointless and often nonsensical changes they made completely undermined the actual impact of Myne becoming Rozemyne. Whenever I reread part 2 volume 4 I always have to take a break in the middle of that meeting with her family after the battle against Bindewald and Bezewanst but here it just didn't have any emotional impact at all. In the novel this is one of two points in the entire story that we ever see Gunther cry, with the other being a point where Myne accidentally sees him at the dining room table crying after everyone has gone to sleep around the time that Myne decides not to sign with a noble to not die from the Devouring. In this scene in the novel, however, he is openly crying and quite distraught. But the anime makes this scene weirdly upbeat in comparison for some moronic reason when it's supposed to be quite sad.

There were also a number of nonsensical adaptation changes such as Bezewanst's crocodile tears because they apparently felt the need to make him seem even more pathetic than he already was. They also completely left out all mention of Veronica, Sylvester's mother and Bezwanst's sister, who was charged with treason for her role in all of this. The falsified papers Bindewald used to enter the city were made by her using Sylvester's official seal while he and Karstedt were attending the Archduke Conference outside the duchy. (The reason it took them so long to get back to Ehrenfest was because they were literally halfway across the country when Myne activated the pendant.) Basically the entire scene with Sylvester discussing Bindewald and Bezewanst's crimes was shortened massively, including where Myne was given the opportunity to turn Bindewald's accusations around on him with him pretty much visibly shitting himself when he realizes just how deep in trouble he is.

There's also other pointless attempts to make things seem less dark than they are. In addition to Delia going into Myne's Shield of Shutzaria while Ferdinand is dueling Bindewald, she actually allows three of Bezewanst's other attendants in. They ask her if she would allow them in since she allowed Delia and she responds with "if you can enter it then sure." Two of them safely get in but the third is launched away from it by the wind to the shock of her and Bezwanst's other retainers. Myne explains that she had malicious intent towards her and then she's vaporized by Ferdinand's duel with Bindewald.

The choice to leave Damuel less injured and conscious after his fight with Bindewald also turned out to have some really weird results since during Myne's final blessing they showed him asleep in a random bed and Freida was there. Which makes zero sense since the last time we saw him, he was conscious and in the temple with Myne and the others. In the novel, he's knocked unconscious and badly injured by Bindewald. After they arrive, the Knights Order takes him to his older brother Henrik's estate since it's close to the temple. Henrik is the noble that Freida is signed with and happened to be there when he was brought in and happened to be in the room when Myne's blessing healed him. Which itself was kinda hilarious because rather than simply waking up, he scared the crap out of Freida and the servant who was present by suddenly jumping up and drawing his wand since his last conscious memory was being in the middle of combat.

It also glosses over and doesn't really communicate some other things. For example, Myne's final blessing is shown in a way that it appears to include Karstedt and Sylvester. This was not the case however. It affected Myne's immediate family, Fran, Dirk, Damuel, Ferdinand, Benno, Mark, and Lutz. And later on when talking to Ferdinand Sylvester expresses surprise at her managing to give the blessing she did because a blessing from all the God of Darkness, Goddess of Light, and all of the Eternal Five is pretty much guaranteed to fail due to the relationship Ewigliebe has with the other gods. So this blessing was actually a big deal. Neither Sylvester, Karstedt, nor Ferdinand knew of anyone having succeeded at such a blessing.

They also didn't address Arno at all. He's actually been interfering in subtle ways since Fran first became Myne's attendant due to his dislike of Fran. Before Ferdinand came to the temple, the orphanage director was a woman named Margaret. She sexually abused some of the male orphans, of which Fran was one. (Arno on the other hand was not and he was jealous of Fran.) At some point she got pregnant from one of them and was barred from re-entering noble society so she committed suicide. When he heard Fran express relief at this, Arno ended up with a serious grudge against Fran and started doing anything he could to cause problems for Fran without it being so obvious he got in trouble for it. His suggestion of Myne becoming orphanage director and using those chambers as her own, for example? If you pay close attention in the anime you'll see that Fran has a somewhat subtle but noticeably negative expression when that happens. Arno did this on purpose to torment Fran since he knew Fran didn't want to go back there since that's where Margaret abused him. A more subtle one would be when Myne encounters Bezewanst on the way to the Dedication Ceremony. In the novel, Ferdinand actually comments that she arrived earlier than expected. This is not long after Fran had requested Arno slow down because he was walking too quickly for Myne to keep up. These two events combined with the later revelations on Arno's actions are meant to communicate that he'll even cause issues for Myne if it causes Fran distress. This was also the case when he told Fran that Ferdinand was absent. In reality, Arno was aware that if Fran showed up that Ferdinand would want to be notified of this. He chose not to do so though to cause Fran issues. Which directly led into the encounter between Myne's group and Bezewanst's group. As a result of all of this, when Ferdinand pieced things together, he had Arno executed.

One final thing that wasn't communicated at all in the adaptation is that Ferdinand and Sylvester both actually felt quite awful about having to tear Myne from her family like they did. Instead the adaptation makes them come across as far more unfeeling than they are. Well okay, maybe not so much in the case of Ferdinand who is extremely good at masking his feelings but definitely in the case of Sylvester. Not only did Sylvester end up tearing apart Myne's family but he also sentenced his uncle to death and his own mother to life imprisonment so he genuinely felt utterly awful about the entire situation.

To be honest, this entire season's terrible quality ended up coming across like the studio just really doesn't want to bother with it anymore. Even if they do make a fourth season I'm not sure that I'll even bother watching it because it was really just that awful. The first two seasons had issues but were overall quite good adaptations. This one was atrocious to put it politely. And their insistence on glossing over the darker parts of the Bookworm world is going to really put them in a bind. What should be the season finale of a fourth season is simply not something they can actually gloss over. so their options are to gloss over it anyways and cause issues for the adaptation's future or don't gloss over it and get panned for a massive and very sudden mood whiplash.

TheRockzSG said:


1) when you said "desintegrated ", did you meant like thanos's snap? became dust?

Spoiler from LN about being ‘disintegrated’



2) "Myne promise with Delia" referring to Myne promise to rescue her right?

Myne promise Delia that she will not separate Delia from Dirk. So preventing her execution and assigning the job of taking Dirk to Delia effectively keep that promise.

Fabienne said:
This whole season was showing us that Myne's life was bound to be doomed and that was what happened for the most part.
Silverster's protection necklace was actually a trick, I guess being an ass runs in the family.

Xayahnatix1 said:


RIP to all anine-only people who didn't read the source and hating on Sylvester for absolutely no reason. If these people only what's his internal thoughts when Myne is casting her blessings

shuffle_017 said:


i see...thank you for more details explanation bro!
appreciate it

shuffle_017 said:
is it just me or the bomb they droopped about Sylvester is a lord, and a brother to Ferdinand was a little be out of nowhere?

because, early introduction in anime Sylvester and Ferdinand interaction seem very casual. like a peer not like a lord with his retainer.

or i missed the nuances in anime?
since, the manga did not reach this part yet

NotAVampyre said:
naw I called it the moment I saw him

TheRockzSG said:


No problem. I’m glad you like these explantation

Alice3173 said:

The issue is that they're changing things in ways that are fundamentally incompatible with the story being told. As I mentioned in that post, the upcoming Hasse deal which will probably be the climax of next season is something that they physically cannot whitewash the way they've been doing. It was explicitly one of the darkest parts of the entire story so far and was so dark for an actual reason. Specifically it was to communicate how little nobles in general value life compared to Rozemyne and just how different this society's values are from our own. As I mentioned in that post, if they do try to whitewash Hasse then it will have the side effect of completely changing things and if they don't whitewash it then it will feel like a huge tonal whiplash. They've effectively painted themselves into a corner here where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't explicitly because they have been changing things so much this entire time.

shuffle_017 said:


but, how?
because they way they were interacting ( including myne & Karstedt ) seem not like interacting with a lord.

not to mention, even Damuel didnt treated him like a lord. just like a normal noble.

and, not to mention Sylvester's demeanor lacked poise of a lord from the beginning. hahahaha
did he goes to church in incognito?