Don't Toy With Me, Miss Nagatoro
| I don't get it, why is the main guy getting so much hate? It's just Deku being "deku". |
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| the average anime viewers feel attacked because they see themselves in him and are embarrassed ☺️☺️ |
| I didn't even know that he was hated. He's even better in the anime than in the manga |
quamquamnumquam said: the average anime viewers feel attacked because they see themselves in him and are embarrassed ☺️☺️ ^ this it's often a common thing in writing that people like to project themselves onto a character. and ego's make them not want to see themselves in a bad light. so immediately when a main character is shown as imperfect they lash out. It's the reason why many people are still drawing to gary stue or mary sues. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| what motherfucking mc |
 plz @ me |
| what? 1. i didn't even know he's getting hate what 2. what the fuck is that deku comment |
  tysm iva-🐢💜 |
hazarddex said: quamquamnumquam said: the average anime viewers feel attacked because they see themselves in him and are embarrassed ☺️☺️ ^ this it's often a common thing in writing that people like to project themselves onto a character. and ego's make them not want to see themselves in a bad light. so immediately when a main character is shown as imperfect they lash out. It's the reason why many people are still drawing to gary stue or mary sues. Geez that's so childish, I wish everybody learn how to watch anime as a third person. Also, for the ones who hate seeing the MC being teased, and think that anime is supporting bullying, have you ever thought that this MC could be the mangaka himself??? (or maybe he's not, but the possibility exists) If it were a story telling something about himself (mangaka), should someone say that's wrong based on their beliefs, or values etc... ? |
Arikado-Jun 27, 2021 6:00 PM
| They have shit taste and can't see how much of a top tier husbando Senpai is. |
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| Because some people only watched the first 2 episodes. Senpai is Chadpai by the end of the season. |
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hazarddex said: quamquamnumquam said: the average anime viewers feel attacked because they see themselves in him and are embarrassed ☺️☺️ ^ this it's often a common thing in writing that people like to project themselves onto a character. and ego's make them not want to see themselves in a bad light. so immediately when a main character is shown as imperfect they lash out. It's the reason why many people are still drawing to gary stue or mary sues. Kind of shitty argument for justifying Naoto. But alright. |
RXT_Light said: Im probably gonna get flamed for this but I disliked Senpai (and the show in general) due to the fact that he sticks around in an unhealthy toxic relationship just cuz he thinks Nagatoro is cute. It’s one thing to tease someone but it’s a completely different thing to get bullied into crying multiple times. It just seems like a situation he should want to leave but he keeps going back to her repeatedly to get messed with again. While in the show it’s sometimes funny, real relationships often have similar attributes of bullying and undermining of someone’s personality that is seen throughout the show. Not to mention Nagatoros clear desire to isolate Senpai away from anyone but her. It’s definitely not meant to be that deep but the show is kinda fucked up in its glorification of a toxic relationship that actively hurts Senpai I think your point is valid for early on in the series. But doesn't hold water too well later on, imo. Naoto may be timid, but he is not weak or stupid. Pretty quickly Nagatoro's actions start to speak louder than what she says and he easily realizes that the cringey teasing, calling him a virgin and all is not serious. You would have to be pretty daft to have someone so actively try to be a part of your life, and do quite a few nice things for you and still think that the teasing is them trying to seriously be mean. Naoto had already shown in a flashback from long ago he had developed a way to deal with getting bullied, that shows strength of character. Part of his internal conflict of why he let Nagatoro get under his skin early on is showed in his march towards admitting he has feelings for her. What you see as someone trying to undermine his personality I see it as kinda the opposite. I think she likes him because of his unique personality, but wants him to stand up more for himself. I also think she herself has personality deficiencies and instead of trying to get him to stand up for himself in a more healthy way she does it through messing with him, while also supporting him when it counts. This is not a story of two mature, well adjusted adults with a lot of life experience. They are early high school students, they don't have the tools an adult would have in this situation. Even as I approach 30 now I remember highschool, it was quite cringey all around, and I think the story portrays that pretty accurately. I also remember getting bullied pretty bad basically up until my last couple years of highschool. Ironically my friends and I treat each other a lot like Nagatoro does Naoto (minus the flirting, obviously). Frankly what my friends and I say to each other is worse than anything a bully has said to me in the past. What counts is the context, inflection, and intent. I think it is fairly easy to see in this anime that all 3 of those things aren't pointing towards actual bullying for the sake of being mean and a bully. Your point about Nagatoro trying to isolate him is interesting, and I see where you are coming from. But again, I think it is a character flaw that is just jealousy and insecurity. Not saying that is an excuse, but it is a fairly common issue people have well into their adult life, not just as kids. And on the other hand, Naoto was isolating himself far more on his own than with her in his life. He now has other people that have taken notice of him, and hang around him because of her, even if she is too overbearing sometimes with her jealousy. Just my personal opinion based on how I see things. At the end of the day it's a show that is supposed to entertain and bring enjoyment, and if you don't get that from it then it is totally valid to feel that way. I just don't think there is a deliberate negative/toxic undertone to the series. |
| Lack of Nuance for a lot of people. Almost everyone is tired of the trite and extremely dense harem protagonist who's only "accidentally" a pervert and gets flustered by litterally anything (either because he's such an upstanding Japanese Schoolboy or the opposite). Putting him in the same category of the absolute worst wimps as Kazuya from Kanokari (as many do) is laughable. On one side we have Naoto a guy who's not fully in control of his tears, lacks confidence and doesn't slap a girl because she mildly disrespects him (retaliation usually isolates just as much as self isolation but causes a lot of other issues you could avoid otherwise and in the worst case even motivates bullies to go further) in a teasing way akin to not unusual friendgroup dynamics. And then we have Kazuya who's a pathological lier puts himself and the people around him in constant trouble, never ever considers the perspective of others, blames everyone but himself, doesn't think anything through, can under no circumstances stand up for himself, gets angry at people who are geniunely trying to support him, because they don't understand the clusterfuck of a situation he is responsible for and is hiding from them and has no sense of what is and what isn't acceptable to do, but because he gets a bit of shortlived post nut clarity after people get rightfully pissed at him that's enough to make them equal. Naoto certainly isn't a "Chad" but he's a nuanced character who's considerate, can stand up for himself and others when it really matters and is developing a bit of fighting spirit. |
| baahh. |
| Just ignores that... Don't even bother to understand. |
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| I like this guy. I mean compared to the MC from "Rent a Girlfriend", I prefer the "Nagatoro" MC. |
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Dragevard said: Because he is like a herbivore. You can say she toyed with him or even bullied at start but he said himself that he didn't hate that. Also at first she made fun of him but she also helped him and he even touched her without being seriously and violently hit after that. He could have guessed that she takes a liking to him. For example even when MC heard that she called good-looking boys boring and that she is not interested in those, yet she always comes to hang with him, walks home with him etc It's obviously that they both have fun, even if MC is fully RETARDED he would have guess that she is okay with him after she invited MC to her place, he gets mad for him but he is so spineless it took him ages just to invite her for closing ceremony. It's totally obvious that he also likes her (lets even try to say he likes to spend time with her) and she is okay for many things yet he never tried anything it's like he is impotent. A boy at her age would be at least curious and tried to take a shy peek, yet he didn't. Okay let's go for those who think she was horrible even accidentally touch him, so almost everyone would think of revenge and ge got many chances, yet they happened accidentally, he carried her and he made sexy things close/next to him even there were body contacts, thats intimate yet MC was like a robot. I can undestand tact (I don't get it, why is the main guy getting so much hate? It's just Deku being "deku". tactfulness) but he never even had any thoughs (erotic, sexy, pervy, naughty or dreamy any of it. OMG it is claimed that he reads pervy, no it is stated even harder hentai, manga just for the story. Actually i can undestand that there is good stuff with erotic scenes, but you won't find hentai stuff (smth close to porn) with a good story, because it's mainly not about a plot. The best you can find the usual idea or the simplest plot because hentai is about naughty stuff so they make effort in those scenes, not the story. |
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