el3mel said: Because her outfit is dumb and designed to sexualize her no matter how many excuses we can give for it. Though most superheroes outfits from American Comics are dumb anyway. This made me remember the ridiculous Power Girl's outfit from DC comics. Maybe Momo's outfit is a reference to it? Lol Power Girl's costume shows off some cleavage. It's not that ridiculous. Some women do that. |
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el3mel said: MoonStar9 said: Power Girl's costume shows off some cleavage. It's not that ridiculous. Some women do that. Power Girl's one is different from other cleavage showing outfits. The boob window is supposed to be in the position of her super hero symbol like the Bat for Batman and the S for Superman. It's HER symbol like them. This makes it ridiculous when you think about it. https://townsquare.media/site/622/files/2012/02/pgboohoo.jpg That was just the idiot Geoff Johns trying and failing horribly to make the obvious fanservice meaningful in those cringe-inducing panels. WB then put the idiot in charge of their DCEU which he helped to destroy. If they had just left good enough as is or, if they needed to, reframed her costume as a personal choice for body empowerment it would be well-received but like I said Geoff Johns is an idiot. Still, Power Girl's costume is one of the most overly ridiculed costumes ever and all for showing some cleavage at a time when comic books were considered male nerd fantasy. Her costume is fanservice but there's nothing wrong with a bit of fanservice. And again, it isn't that ridiculous. It's just some cleavage which lots of women proudly show off anyway. |
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el3mel said: MoonStar9 said: That was just the idiot Geoff Johns trying and failing horribly to make the obvious fanservice meaningful in those cringe-inducing panels. WB then put the idiot in charge of their DCEU which he helped to destroy. If they had just left good enough as is or, if they needed to, reframed her costume as a personal choice for body empowerment it would be well-received but like I said Geoff Johns is an idiot. Still, Power Girl's costume is one of the most overly ridiculed costumes ever and all for showing some cleavage at a time when comic books were considered male nerd fantasy. Her costume is fanservice but there's nothing wrong with a bit of fanservice. I agree with the first paragraph in your post. And I don't have problems with fan service either. Don't lose my hair over them. Some are done better than other though. Fan service when pushed straight in your face all the time becomes more ridiculous than being funny imo. I'm not the biggest fan of ecchi or fanservice either and too much definitely makes the show too trashy for me to enjoy but if a character wears a somewhat revealing outfit or has some massive breasts or well-defined muscles I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. |
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| Comparing apples with oranges Kirishima's character design is to showcase strength and for Momo it's her sex appeal with them big ass titties. Bit ridiculous to claim it's equally as fanservice-y when you know it's a battle shounen predominantly aimed at boys. I don't see no one claiming having topless boys/men in battle shounen or the action genre in general in any medium have always been topless to appeal to women. You can make the argument but common sense says this is not the case so it would make you a bit of a snowflake. |
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sailor_saffy said: It wouldn't make much sense for Kirishima to wear a shirt because he hardens himself multiple times when using his quirk and it'll end up ruining his shirt, it would though make more sense if that shirt would be capable to withstand the sharpness of his hardening and stay intact. Just imagine how many shirts he has to replace.Tbf I don't like Kirishima's costume either and would prefer if he had a shirt or something on his chest, but it's not as bad since men don't have anything on their chest that needs to be covered, and so there's nothing really wrong when they walk around shirtless. Women have breasts on the other hand and I'm weirded out by how this 15 year old is sexualized this much. It also doesn't help that Momo is often a target of fanservice within the class, which brings even more light to her hero costume. I get that she needs it for her quirk but it's still awkward seeing her walking around like that. Even the other characters feel weirded out by her exposed breasts lol it just makes things even more awkward. |
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MinorTatu said: What is really hypocritical is handwave away how men typically identify with masculine attributes such as muscled bodies and how Kirishima is a very "manly man" type of character. Look at history, this shit has been done for thousands of years, 70' and 80's action movies are full of shirtless men while aimed at a male audience. Kaasfondue said: Comparing apples with oranges Kirishima's character design is to showcase strength and for Momo it's her sex appeal with them big ass titties. Bit ridiculous to claim it's equally as fanservice-y when you know it's a battle shounen predominantly aimed at boys. I don't see no one claiming having topless boys/men in battle shounen or the action genre in general in any medium have always been topless to appeal to women. You can make the argument but common sense says this is not the case so it would make you a bit of a snowflake. The apples and oranges argument is always used when shown evidence of hypocrisy. Him being shirtless being a showcase of his strength is a dumb argument when All Might does the same thing, and better, whilst being fully clothed. If Momo's fanservice is aimed at boys, and boys like it, then what exactly is the issue...? Both the audience and author are benefitting from it. It is equally as fanservicey, it's just that you've been conditioned to think otherwise. Interesting point you made about women. You've basically said it's not fanservice if it isn't to intentionally turn the audience on. Which is why buff shirtless men doesn't count as fanservice, because the audience would be mostly (straight) boys and they wouldn't be turned on by that. That being said, Horikoshi said Momo's gap is to allow for her creation quirk to work. So from that, we must say that the gap isn't fanservice since turning on boys wasn't the intention. Snowflake diss was cringe, expand your vocabulary I don't have a problem with Momo's design personally. I'm just stating what I believe is closer to the truth, which is that the intent behind each character designs is different, Momo for sex appeal and Kirishima for male fantasy of being a ripped manly man. Horikoshi can suck my ass. What he said is irrelevant. What he has created is not. A big titted girl with a revealing outfit. Can't tell me it's not meant to be sexy and it's just for her quirk. We don't even know which one came first, the idea of the quirk or the design of the character. And what I meant is that both can be equally as sexualized by the audience because that's subjective, but that the intent behind Momo's design is more sexual than Kirishima's according to common sense. Not that one is fanservice and one isn't. I meant one more sexual than the other. But both are fanservice really, both aimed at boys, both for different reasons. |
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Kaasfondue said: Comparing apples with oranges Kirishima's character design is to showcase strength and for Momo it's her sex appeal with them big ass titties. Bit ridiculous to claim it's equally as fanservice-y when you know it's a battle shounen predominantly aimed at boys. I don't see no one claiming having topless boys/men in battle shounen or the action genre in general in any medium have always been topless to appeal to women. You can make the argument but common sense says this is not the case so it would make you a bit of a snowflake. MHA actually has a large female readership both in Japan and in NA. Most popular Shounen manga tend to be. See Demon Slayer, Attack on Titan, and Jujutsu Kaisen. You can't target one audience anymore, you have to hit that four quadrant to become a sensation. The massive female readership is partially why all the popular characters of MHA are bishounen, the female characters rank so low, and Boys Love shipping is so massive with the series. And I'm sure there are plenty of gay males following as well so, yes, Kirishima's outfit is fanservice. Not that there's anything wrong with fanservice so long as it doesn't bring the IP down to the trashy territory. |
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Tiagura said: el3mel said: Because her outfit is dumb and designed to sexualize her no matter how many excuses we can give for it. Though most superheroes outfits from American Comics are dumb anyway. This made me remember the ridiculous Power Girl's outfit from DC comics. Maybe Momo's outfit is a reference to it? Lol Sexualizing is not bad. Just like fanservice Some people may like it while others don't. If you don't like it just ignore it since it's not going anywhere and if you can't ignore it, simply drop the show and watch something else that suit your taste. And before you say you didn't ask for it to be changed, some others harassed the author for sexualizing the characters. Which is toxic and disgusting behaviors that needs to stop. And finally, NO! they are NOT minors, they are fictional characters. ink on a paper!!!! I agree with most of what you said except the bold part. In a lot of countries ink on paper doesn't matter. If the characters are notably under 18 or are very young in appearance and the anime is hyper-sexualised the content could be banned from entering certain countries. That's why the To Love Ru Darkness manga and the anime for Seikon no Qwaser haven't been licensed. In fact, Anime Limited in the UK tried to license Valkyrie Drive: Mermaid for local distribution and was banned from doing so because of the characters' ages, even though they mostly look like adults. |
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MinorTatu said: Personally i dont like both outfits..They're basically the same thing, and I think Kirishima's hero outfit is pretty cool. And I think Momo's outfit make sense given her ability But a lot of people say Momo's chest gap is unnecessary, despite the reasoning for it. Fine, if we take necessity aside, why can't it just be aesthetic similiar to Kirishima's? Even Bakugo has his arms exposed in his summer outfit, and no one is gonna complain about Bakugo, so I can't understand the "it's not safe to be exposed" argument Edit: The point is Kirishima's chest gap is less necessary than Momo's. Momo at least got some semblance of an explanation, Kirishima just walks around shirtless for nothing. There are just as many girls turned on by Kirishima's abs and pecs as there are guys turned on by Momo's babas. And besides, even if Momo was fully clothed she'd still get sexualised by the fanbase. It happens with Uraraka, it happens with Bakugo. Genitals aren't comparable to breasts, so don't try that approach. Dick = Vagina, Dick ≠ Boobs. There's a culture of censoring body parts that are deemed as attractive to the male gaze, that's why people wish for boobs and female ass to be censored, whereas showing a guy's ass isn't as controversial. But these are conventions from men from hundreds of years ago, and men from hundreds of years ago didn't know that girls could get horny too. That's why people who aren't free thinkers react badly to Momo's outfit but not Kirishima's even though they're essentially the same thing and cause the same effect in viewers who are attracted to them. They are both used as tools of fanservice imo. and ngl both are highly attractive as well(I mean even i get turned on by kirishima ngl) t However The points u made are valid and i myself would much prefer them both covered. Momo doesnt really make something from her Breasts and kirishima can use the extension of his hair(Or from a similar material) to make a costume like Mirio did. its not that hard tbh. But as I said both are way attractive and are used as a tool for fanservice so its justified i guess for the audience i guess(I hope they change there outfits though). Anyways i am highly surprised by the rapid drop in MHA ratings tbh. I mean Season 5 is at 7.54.. |
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| Because Momo is a girl with boobs and Kirishima is a boy with nipples Society pretty much believes cleavage is the equivalent of dick bulge |
| I don't know where you're seeing complaints. But for the few who are complaining, use common sense. Momo is a girl, and Kirishima is a boy, why do you think it's 'okay' for Kirishima and not Momo. It's not too hard to figure out. |
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| Argue all you want but this is just a standard case of tasteless fanservice which is also used in lots of other shows. It also involves female characters more often and differently than male characters. Seen a lot worse than this, so just ending up ignoring it. |
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Blobiki said: Argue all you want but this is just a standard case of tasteless fanservice which is also used in lots of other shows. It also involves female characters more often and differently than male characters. Seen a lot worse than this, so just ending up ignoring it. Tasteless? You have no clue what you are talking about. My Hero Acedemia is very low on the fan-service scale. You clearly are not familiar with ecchi and hentai shows, where your nonsensical views would hold slightly more weight. Let me destroy your last sentence on the 1st paragraph: Class 1-A has 14 boys and 6 girls only (with one of them being invisible), so the show obviously involves guys a lot more. If you’re bad at math, that means there are approximately 3 guys for every 1 girl. Just watch the swimming pool and hot tub episodes in the previous seasons of my Hero Academia. The boys are shown half naked for many long scenes whereas the girls only get 2 seconds, part of that short period simply being Mineta’s imagination. Tougata Mirio (a guy) was shown naked multiple times. There is no female equivalent to that. The show runners were probably cautious of overly sensitive SJW’s like you, so they pandered to you, but it clearly didn’t work. Here you are b***hing anyway, because you fail to see your own hypocrisy, double standards & ignorance. You just want to see what you want to see. Don’t talk about or comment on things that you are clearly not knowledgeable. |
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Seijurou said: Blobiki said: Argue all you want but this is just a standard case of tasteless fanservice which is also used in lots of other shows. It also involves female characters more often and differently than male characters. Seen a lot worse than this, so just ending up ignoring it. Tasteless? You have no clue what you are talking about. My Hero Acedemia is very low on the fan-service scale. You clearly are not familiar with ecchi and hentai shows, where your nonsensical views would hold slightly more weight. Let me destroy your last sentence on the 1st paragraph: Class 1-A has 14 boys and 6 girls only (with one of them being invisible), so the show obviously involves guys a lot more. If you’re bad at math, that means there are approximately 3 guys for every 1 girl. Just watch the swimming pool and hot tub episodes in the previous seasons of my Hero Academia. The boys are shown half naked for many long scenes whereas the girls only get 2 seconds, part of that short period simply being Mineta’s imagination. Tougata Mirio (a guy) was shown naked multiple times. There is no female equivalent to that. The show runners were probably cautious of overly sensitive SJW’s like you, so they pandered to you, but it clearly didn’t work. Here you are b***hing anyway, because you fail to see your own hypocrisy, double standards & ignorance. You just want to see what you want to see. Don’t talk about or comment on things that you are clearly not knowledgeable. Ok, thank you for your time cursing on my comment. Hope you feel better now. Now, the point here is what exactly? Have I offended you somehow? Am I a SJW? You need to chill bro. |
| kirishimas kind of makes sense because his clothes will probably rip if he hardens too much and yeah, momo does need to have her skin exposed to use her quirk, but it's just a little weird that apparently the best possible way to do that would be through her chest. she's even seen using her back to produce things, so why not there? also she's been embarrassed and shy about using her quirk in front of guys multiple times, having to either be covered up or turn away from them. really just makes you wonder why it's there in the first place. she is also 15. not saying that 15 y/os can't have big boobs, but it's weird to me that horikoshi is a grown man designing a 15 y/o girl's costume to be super revealing but that's just my opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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machuzka said: kirishimas kind of makes sense because his clothes will probably rip if he hardens too much and yeah, momo does need to have her skin exposed to use her quirk, but it's just a little weird that apparently the best possible way to do that would be through her chest. she's even seen using her back to produce things, so why not there? also she's been embarrassed and shy about using her quirk in front of guys multiple times, having to either be covered up or turn away from them. really just makes you wonder why it's there in the first place. she is also 15. not saying that 15 y/os can't have big boobs, but it's weird to me that horikoshi is a grown man designing a 15 y/o girl's costume to be super revealing but that's just my opinion ¯_(ツ)_/¯ let's say she need a weapon or a cannon in the middle of a battle, do you really think it's practical to do that from her back? or let's say she needs explosives you can't reach it they'll just fall off, doing from her back doesn't make any sense she's a fictional character AKA not a real human being, her "age" does matter,but let's follow your reasoning, Kirishima is also 15 ,do you also think it's weird for horikoshi a grown man to be designing a 15 y/o boy in a half naked costume ¯_(ツ)_/¯? Come on can we please stop with this BS puritanism that is all facade? and even worst implying pedophilia where there isn't any... btw what i find most funny is that most of the people complaining specially on twitter about her outfit are doing yaoi fanfics and lewd drawnings of the male characters... |
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| Because Momo is a girl, which is seen as objectifying women. Also, double-standard. |
| Really guys, is this necessary to discuss? Lmao If you respect Kohei Horikoshi Design, then stop this pointless argument. |
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| I LOVE Momo's outfit with ALL my might and soul. Saturday's episode featured her brave moments, and there were lots of satisfying shots. Momo is one of the HOTTEST characters in BNHA. So I'd say the ones who complain are either envious women or gays (no offense). |
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