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| What's up with people thinking that Ai's and the teacher's story has been archived already? Just because it wasn't resumed during this episode it doesn't mean it won't continue and climax in the next two episodes. |
Noir_Alchemist said: MoonDragon72 said: Yeah... I did not like this episode I don't get why they would just introduce this villain at the last minute when we only have 1 episode left. This can't actually be the end right? If there's a second season planned then I will be willing to give this a chance since that will give time for everything to be fleshed out more, but if next week's episode is truly the end I will be so fucking disappointed. Exactly, thats how i felt too... like noooooo, you dont add an extra evil one when there is only 2 episodes left, what you do is SHOW THE TRUE COLORS of the cast you alreasy have shown, how can i care for an evil AI at this point ? I dont believe it , why if they were so neglective to their daugher (the ai) then later they will care for other girls they dont know ??? To discover why her real daugher kill herself ??? Nah, make no sense And these are the very same people that said " girls kill themselves out of emotions and men out of unachivements " ... like excuse me, either they are lying or the shows creators are very sexits and out of touch with reality. I still want to believe they are sus ! Episode 8 really does seem to have been the turning point for this show. I'm a bit bummed, but I'll stick it out on the off chance they pull through. The characters are so well realized and the setting is so imaginative, it's a shame the story has been so poorly paced. We never got any proper foreshadowing for what was "really" going on, and every episode we *do* get an answer that poses at two more questions in trade. Remember when this show was focused on whether or not Sawaki-sensei was a predator, and one of the main themes of the show seemed to be exploring the various ways adults exploit children? I thought this episode was neat, as in the Acca's have an interesting story of their own. But it feels like it's from a different show entirely to me. In all honesty, the premise for just this episode could've made for a decent series on its own. |
this episode is the best one so far in this series |
Avvenirista said: What's up with people thinking that Ai's and the teacher's story has been archived already? Just because it wasn't resumed during this episode it doesn't mean it won't continue and climax in the next two episodes. I can only speak for myself, but the show's pacing and how little time there is left makes it seem like if it does come up again, it'll be rushed. The show's felt really rushed for a bit now, with plot elements thrown in hastily at the end of episodes or dropped in as exposition that feels rather forced. So maybe it's not so much that I don't expect it to be resolved at all, but I'm doubtful it'll be resolved very well. |
Sisyphusson66 said: WOW, this inference is much is true, and I can definitely see all the parallels of Frill being the psychotic trauma machine of a being that's just like Lain.Frill went full Lain by the end? Part of me thinks that the whole "temptation of death" and Frill directly or indirectly causing these suicides is a matter of wishful thinking and hope on the part of the Accas. A way to simplify it to the point where if you stop Frill, then suicides stop, or at least go way down. Frill seems like she purposefully engages Urra-Acca for attention near the end. But on the other hand, I wonder how Dot and Hyphen get into the egg dreams. Surely it must be Frill, but then there is the question of why they only show up after the "mission is cleared"? What is Frill's interest? Or is she just a psychotic AI? I think this episode was absolutely brutal, and on its own, very strong. My one real worry is that there is so much left to cover, and so much that probably won't get any exploration (i.e. Rika's reaction to Dot), and clearly not a lot of time left in the series. |
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duskyboris said: Avvenirista said: What's up with people thinking that Ai's and the teacher's story has been archived already? Just because it wasn't resumed during this episode it doesn't mean it won't continue and climax in the next two episodes. I can only speak for myself, but the show's pacing and how little time there is left makes it seem like if it does come up again, it'll be rushed. The show's felt really rushed for a bit now, with plot elements thrown in hastily at the end of episodes or dropped in as exposition that feels rather forced. So maybe it's not so much that I don't expect it to be resolved at all, but I'm doubtful it'll be resolved very well. I can't say I agree with your assessment of how the series is handling things, but I understand your concerns. I just think it's silly to not expect any conclusions to Ai's story because it's a given that the truth about the teacher and Koito will be revealed. |
Avvenirista said: duskyboris said: I can only speak for myself, but the show's pacing and how little time there is left makes it seem like if it does come up again, it'll be rushed. The show's felt really rushed for a bit now, with plot elements thrown in hastily at the end of episodes or dropped in as exposition that feels rather forced. So maybe it's not so much that I don't expect it to be resolved at all, but I'm doubtful it'll be resolved very well. I can't say I agree with your assessment of how the series is handling things, but I understand your concerns. I just think it's silly to not expect any conclusions to Ai's story because it's a given that the truth about the teacher and Koito will be revealed. Hey, fair enough. I think it's fair to say you're not really disappointed in the show's direction, whereas I am, so my expectations are pretty low at this point. But it'll be much better if you're right than I am. |
Exactly, the episode itself is not the issue, as you mention is a good premise if you have time to developt it , thats why i also agree i hope they know how to end this in 2 episodes or if there is going tl be a season 2 Yes, i do remember how the show seems to be focus on how adults groom or abuse kids into their main topic ... was easy to understand why an abused girl kill herself , or how a girl who identified as boy got raped and had a baby decide WAS TO MUCH FOR HIm to keep going, but now this "is was an AI revenge plan makes this situation dont match for the tone of the show ... how to put it, is like before was serious topic with some magical undertones and now is scifi with an evil culprit. maybe im just wrong and they will wrap they show nicely, but for me is like a weird turn point. Like i said, is still dont believe ura acca and acca , they are sus i dont trust their words. |
| they have to stop playing that ed come on you can't do this to me. that fucking pop will haunt me in my dreams now. |
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| Hm, not fully sure how to think of this one. I feel like Rika didn't get the screentime she deserved and compared to Momoe's part, it didn't really feel as impactful but I guess they didn't want to feel repetitive or they wanted to save time. Not a big fan of this antagonist to be completely honest and she's set up to the final one so oh well. The backstory was decent imo and it was quite nice seeing the two "mystery characters" get fleshed out and explained as well as the reason why the whole thing came to be in the first place. The character deaths in the flashback felt really sudden and somewhat anticlimactic but I think that's what they were aiming for with the way they did everything. Use of color and soundtracks was great this episode and it really helped elevate scenes. I really hope Ai ends up being ok at the end since that sound effect at the end definitely wasn't a good sign. My main concern regarding this episode would be that it's the second last one and this doesn't feel like the type of episode that would lead into a concluding one. The conclusion could easily be a very hit or miss one for me but I'm hoping it's gonna be good since I've enjoyed wep overall and I wanna end it on a good note. Still a bit mad about the rika thing since I feel like she deserved a more fitting ending but it's fine. I hope next week's episode will be good or at decent and won't end up disappointing many. |
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| There are two shows here basically, and they are very much at odd with each other. I'd say the second show (the sci-fi one) is the worse one and it's basically eating away the first one. |
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| WTF This anime is destroyed. So, the suicide is not a social issue anymore, but all an evil deed of a cyber AI Yandere? Man, and the original premisse of this anime was not anything like "Japan is suffering a misterious wave of suicides". No, it was perfect to a metaphor of a psychological show. Now it become supernatural sci-fi. From a upgraded Madoka, WEP turned into a Serial Experiments Lain out of place. RIP. |
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| So dark and screwed up, lol. Things are being explained, that's cool, but there's some left. Ep 12 will be great, for sure |
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| I personally think that Fril might actually be innocent, and the mannequins (I know their names, but I’m scared that I might misspell them) might’ve changed their perceptions of everything that happened with her in order to make themselves seem innocent? I’m not sure if that makes sense BUT throughout the series, it has sort of been shown that adults are liars. What if the mannequins forced themselves to believe that their second daughter was having a great life, while in reality she wasn’t actually happy? So then after she killed herself, they were desperate to put the blame on someone else due to having a hard time accepting the real cause of her death, and her death as well. And because of that, they most likely created Wonder Eggs so that people wouldn’t have to go through the same stuff as them. But, if they’re not just trying to victimize themselves, I’d assume that this episode explains why there’s no boys. What I understood was that Fril wanted to be the prettiest girl, meaning that she might’ve wanted a way to “kill” any other girl. And maybe she promised to help the mannequins get their second daughter back as long as they could help get “pretty” girls killed? Like obviously, at this point Rika and Momoe are considered mentally dead, and that’s most likely what Fril would want. This is probably a reach, and I think it’s written poorly, but it’s just something I was thinking about. |
misatoeMar 23, 2021 7:22 PM
| I liked this episode a lot more than the last 2. Getting a thorough backstory on the Uras and how they connected to the larger picture was really needed by this point. They did a really good job depicting their relationship to Frill and how that relationship soured once new women were introduced that she perceived as endangering her position in their lives. Even in death she continues to draw girls to suicide whether it be out of spite or as a form of revenge against the Accas, so they created the Wonder Eggs to train girls to fight her and the insect girls that she created. Doesn’t seem like the best idea since Momoe and now Rika are completely traumatized and they had no way to kill them. Having Rika’s part in the beginning didn’t really fit with the rest of the episode, but I guess there was no great place to put it since the show is almost over. I would’ve liked to have seen the aftermath of Ai’s conversation with her teacher, maybe that will be in the next episode. Also, just want to point out that Frill is an AI and our main character’s name is Ai (japanese word for “love”). Not sure if there will be a deeper connection with that or if that is just some wordplay. |
Funny trivia, Lain was also a 14 years old girl. W.E.P, when Madoka Magica meets S.E Lain... and the plot turn into a hell of a mess. |
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| So, basically everything here is that they accidentally created a jealous and murderous robot daughter, who after finding out she was murderous, you not turn it off or destroy it is better threw in a hole and declared "job well done," except oops, she can log into the collective unconsciousness Matrix through the soul stealing machine they built, and use that to murder more people. And the only way to defeat it is to recruit troubled teenage girls to act as their child soldiers in the Matrix because that's where she lives now as a cyber ghost or something (Nobody Have Tried Unplugging It?). But I guess we already had the machine that steals souls sitting next to their magical albino corpse, so… right. Uhhhh, huh. Remember when it was just some form of magical hell, and we weren't supposed to just assume that the local business was secretly building robots as an offshoot to their brain stealing machines after a couple decades delving into creating superhumans to run their company? Also, is it weird that my first thought is "Well, it's a more realistic view of computers than In-Spectre or Gachaman Crowds put forth." Having a robo Freddy Krueger will do that. Who even cares about this swerve into abject nonsense? At what point was any of this story about Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum? Why are we seemingly making it all about them and this goofy random killer monster-slash-robot-slash-supernatural AI-slash-techno demon? Are we just done with everybody else's (lack of) character arcs? Was that supposed to have been Ai's complete arc? Did Momo and Rikka grow or learn anything in any way, or are we just throwing them aside having turned their magical pets into sushi? And can I say again how fantastic it was to have multiple scenes explaining those stupid things now that we're just stuffing them in the fridge? |
| There's clearly lots of parallels going on with Frill and Ai. - Frill is viewed as Thanatos (Death) while Ai means Love and represents Eros therefore - Frill became that way by feeling Jealousy with her selfish girl upbringing, Ai likely feels Jealousy with Kotio and Sawaki also her Mom and Sawaki - Frill created 3 friends (Hypen, Dot and i guess Dash/Slash/Caret/Comma?), while Ai got herself 3 friends (Neiru/Rika/Momoe) - Frill is an AI and likely going to fight Ai so it will be a AI vs Ai Fight - Himari clearly knew what was up due to encountering Frill and trying to seduce Ura Acca, which clearly felt wrong with the phrase "Im going to look like my mom if im older, so you could have me instead", which perfectly lines up with Sawaki's line in last episode "You are going to look like your mother, when your older". Theres a parallel there, even if they might differ in their meaning Theres a lot interesting going on with both those storylines, but theres also some weird parts in it, where im not sure if i overthink them or if theres more stuff for a S2, as those cant be solved in 2 episodes and im not sure if they are going to be ever explored: - Frill means Furiru so she shares a close name to Neiru to be her sister, but they shouldnt be sisters in any way. Neiru is a Japan Plati, while Frill is an AI created by the Accas who work for Neiru's company. Theres no connection besides the Accas yet and no hints to be her sister, even if the killing intend would fit? And the connection to the company/Accas as well? Just odd. - Acca's wife is represented both in shade at the beginning but is later just Acca's wife. It seems odd, to shade her just for bringing Jealousy in their life. Especially if its mentioned how the Accas are constantly on watch by Neiru's company and have secrets that likely interest others. This thread just screams as it could have more than the side of Ura Acca we've seen to it. - The shot with Baby Himari feels odd. Like why doesnt she look like Himari at all, but has darker skin like Plati Baby Neiru? Especially feeling how there has to be a stronger connection with Neiru and not knowing her sister, it just feels odd to have a shot that should be Himari but looks more like Neiru. - The Accas in the nightclub and meeting Azusa, just feels as if Acca should be Rika's dad. They are looking close, and it just feels again odd there's seemlingy no connection but another new character, despite how likely it could be. Especially with Rika's dad line being "You have to take care of your mom" Just odd how there some obvious connections that just dont share an link yet. Especially Frill, really expected her to be Neiru's sister, which would explain more while establishing and better link to Ai as Neiru is her friend. |
sanleiMar 23, 2021 8:08 PM
| So that was the reason why Wonder Eggs are started and all four girls are involved...but I still can't connect it. It all dates back to the Accas choosing Asuza over their invention Frill. Frill was actually charming ngl, but after being shoved away by Acca's true love, her state of being has turned for the worse. But I still somehow can't connect it, how is Neiru and her company involved on this? Why does Frill/Hyphen/Dot show up when the girls finish their task, is this the camel's backbreaker for the show? Seems more likely, but we have one more episode to go to, and I'm just feeling...odd now with this show. |
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| This episode was extremely good. I'm worried of how it will end though. Feels like a big info dump that's just going to be resolved by next episode? |
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| The main antagonist has been introduced~ Jealousy that can kill... I guess, Frill created a nightmare till those girls thinking of suicide. Momoe and Rika succeed but they got defeated by Frill underlings. 1 episode left? Geez... the Recap episode shouldn't exist... the last episode is going to be so rush... or maybe it going to have a second season? |
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| I personally found WEP boring but this episode sucked me back In and it’s was a recap ep. damm This ep was amazing |
| If there's a hole there's a goal-Master Oogway |
| NGL, the opening minute felt totally like something straight outta Serial Experiments Lain. Rika being the 2nd of 4 girls to get the Frill treatment from Dot (and eventually another girl who's gonna get targeted by Hyphen), and it's jjust as tramuatic and cathartic as Momoe's the previous episode. The whole deal with "The Temptation of Death" of Eros and Thanatos that both Acca and Ura-Acca have been hiding, it's nothing more than the stereotypical psychological meta and psychopathic setting that Lain has established all these years ago. To create the 14-year-old AI girl Frill through scientific scrutiny and under heavy surveillance out of boredom, that's an interesting backstory. *that lip "pop" though* I may not listen to those pops the same way ever again. The life gone awry of Acca from being married to an outsider to getting intense jealousy from Frill, and Ura-Acca being delved deep into research, that sure was a disaster in the making for "feminity being the root of all evil." Even to the borne daughter Himari imitating the same behaviour of (and getting killed by) Frill, that is sure as hell as freaky to making Wonder Eggs and investigations to stop young girls' suicides. So what now, from an actual suicide-based show to a psychological one? This episode was amazing as usual, but to wrap up in 1 episode, that'd be massacre. |
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| I enjoyed this episode way more than any of the others so far, personally found their backstory more interesting than the main cast’s however this episode wasn’t enough to raise my score but I’m interested to see how this show ends |
snowykevinMar 23, 2021 10:52 PM
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| I didn't see this one coming, so this AI is causing teenagers to kill themselves for what I've understood? |
| "he has it big as a cactus but he won't let go of my head and I puke on his cock bitch" - Boy by Fishball |
| I really enjoyed this as an individual episode. Directing was superb and I even found myself a bit scared from certain scenes. But I'm worried on how they can wrap this up in 1 or 2 episodes (not sure if there is actually a 13th episode). How will they handle the Ai's character arc at the same time solve the "suicide wave" Frill is apparently causing? |
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| Just finished the episode, I see why people so angry now . What the fuck man, this episode got me heated. It was bad enough with Azusa dying but then Himari.. I still don’t quite understand what Acca and Ura Acca are and how Frill control the suicide of girls, though. I don’t know how they’ll wrap the series up in one episode either, but we’ll see. |
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RobertBobert said: Sondfer said: If i got it right - Fril, because of a jealousy, was giving all those girls a desire to die, so those cases are not a "real" suicide. But if they can't revive anyone, then what is a purpose of Wonder Eggs? To let deceased girls pass in peace? The original speculation was that this show is about how to accept the suicide of loved ones and move on. I thought it was to prevent the girls who lost loved ones from committing suicide as well, but then when their little "animals" were killed and the girls became so depressed, I was kinda confused, I still don't understand the motive behind that. |
| my reaction of this episode with 3 words WHAT. THE. FUCK. |
| holy fucking shit. how am i supposed to move on from that ep??? that was insane. in a good way. how the fuck are they gonna end it on 1 ep now ??? hope its not rushed. i do have a feeling that itll be good tho |
| i'm holding most of my thoughts till this is done but lately and this episode solidified my worries so i'm mostly setting myself up for disappointment with the revelations learnt today and with so few episodes left how it's all gonna come together biggest issue is the perspective of suicides' by females being all planned and not a actual social issue and i'm hoping its just the naive perspective of Accas Urra and not some wired deeper commentary of the creators like a few questionable things that have popped up from those two through out the show all that said episode was fucked they somehow made a almost stand alone horror episode that made that ending cut even more jarring lol |
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