Sequel effect is real, but not in the way you are thinking.

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SeekingChaos said:
I agree with pretty much everything you mention here , but doesn't this contradict what you said here?

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1885502&show=150#msg61559457

Or maybe I'm missing something

No it doesn't as that user is saying that they should combine all the score from these sequels, so and get a total aggregate score after you combine them.

I pointed out that this is unfair to the sequel series and for series like fmab and hxh 2011 for example is a big advantage, which is why I pointed out that if fmab and hxh 2011 where to be split up into seasons like snk and the other sequels, they too would get a lower overall score when you combine the aggregate as the earlier arcs for those were consider to be weak and there scorers were like 8.30 in the first and second arc of those series so the score would drop tremendously if they were to be combine.

I was simple showing him that full adaptation has its advantages too.

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Its a theory among many I think. There is the flip side. This site has no checks and balances the rating system is an honour system. So yes people who dislike the first season may never watch season 2 ever.....doesnt mean they didnt hate the first season, or think the fans of that show are stupid, hate the hype it gets, the press it gets, the attention it gets I mean to them it is the worst show ever made....they can still rate it though with out ever watching a second of it.

In a system where that isnt allowed magically I think the sequel theory would hold strong.

The other downside is hype and expectations. The people who really loved season 1 want more, they crave it....it was amazing the greatest anime drug ever. Sadly like most drugs the second high is rarely as good as the first. Whats that saying? Users are always chasing their first high. So they get disappointed, the hype lets them down the anticipation makes it feel like it can never be good enough. So they rated season 1 a 10 and even if season 2 is as good or close they may even rate it an 8 or something because of that disappointment.

I dont watch anime that falls into super niche often which are the ones that will get more bad ratings. Ratings are so arbitrary on sites like this no one should care. Mine are completely for my own reference and I am curious when I watch something a second time if I would rate it the same again. You cant account for the human part of rating very easily because it has a lot of emotion involved.

Its a theory among many I think. There is the flip side. This site has no checks and balances the rating system is an honour system. So yes people who dislike the first season may never watch season 2 ever.....doesnt mean they didnt hate the first season, or think the fans of that show are stupid, hate the hype it gets, the press it gets, the attention it gets I mean to them it is the worst show ever made....they can still rate it though with out ever watching a second of it.

In a system where that isnt allowed magically I think the sequel theory would hold strong.

I get what you are saying but whether these users score the sequels are not doesn't make a difference as generally, 7/10-10/10 is what most mal users score their series, which iin truth cause a inflation and that is why even the really bad series that are rated 6.00 and above is still not a bad score if you think about it, but because of inflation anything lower than 8 here on mal is considered to be a bad score.

I dont watch anime that falls into super niche often which are the ones that will get more bad ratings. Ratings are so arbitrary on sites like this no one should care. Mine are completely for my own reference and I am curious when I watch something a second time if I would rate it the same again. You cant account for the human part of rating very easily because it has a lot of emotion involved.

I agree with this it is complicating, people criticize mal scoring system and its ranking but the truth is, is there really a better method that will give us a objective ranking? I don't think so no matter the system each users have their different ways of scoring, their bias etc finding objectivity in this sense will never happen. If your favourite series is at the top you will like the ranking, if not you will dislike the ranking at the end of the day the best thing can do is give users an idea on what the general anime fandom likes and give recommendation to anime fans, so I think rankings are important in that aspect.

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If MAL's scores are calculated by a true mean, your conclusion that users rating 1-6 not having as much of an effect is mathematically incorrect. Also maybe you shouldn't use FMAB as a comparison. We all know what happens with its scores.

You are correct that the sequel usually being more climactic is a factor, or multiple things may happen that may lead the sequel to be less liked. But in general the sequel effect as we know it (sequels having higher scores because people that didn't like the first will not watch the sequel) is true.

I literally gave you an example that if those 8/10 users that is 25% decide to change their score to a 10/10 snk would jump right to second place despite these haters still being there, so basically the low scores are not what decide if a series is rated 5,6,7,8, or 9. The majority rule, its like a vote. the haters are 7.1% compare to everyone else that is 80.1% now tell me who has the more power here?

So if haters could not stop or have any effect to stop snk season 1 from being second if those 8/10 scorers change their score to 10/10, why would it have any effects for future sequel either.

The point I making is that the haters percentage wise is so low that in reality they don't affect the scores as much, I literally gave you the example without removing any of the haters from the stats that snk can easily be #2.

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There's no reason both can't be true, no?

The reason people accept the typical theory is because it seems entirely logical. If someone doesn't like the first season, they likely wouldn't watch the later seasons. You can even somewhat see this with SnK's stats, yes there are more 8-10s in the later seasons, but there are also less 1-5s as well.

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There's no reason both can't be true, no?

The reason people accept the typical theory is because it seems entirely logical. If someone doesn't like the first season, they likely wouldn't watch the later seasons. You can even somewhat see this with SnK's stats, yes there are more 8-10s in the later seasons, but there are also less 1-5s as well.

"There's no reason both can't be true, no?"

Nope, because the percentage says it all, its simple maths. You have 100 dollar and you lost 90% of it, while in another scenario you lost only say 7% of it. Which one will have the more devastating effect?

The reason people accept the typical theory is because it seems entirely logical.

I literally said that in my post and I understand why, I too once believed that.

but there are also less 1-5s as well.

Ok, let's add that 1-5 score from season 1 to season 3 part 2 which if you add it up together is a whopping 3.3%! Oh no I am scared! This is assuming these folks wont increase their score for later season which is likely unless they are full blown haters, so its not a guarantee these score will remain the same, but lets stick to this unlikely scenario nonetheless.

If we add those percentage to season 3 part 2, its score would drop from 9.09 to around 9.07 or 9.06 at best. That is a estimate and I think I am being very generous here, you see how little the score was affected?

That's the point I was making the haters are basically insignificant. The haters are like planet earth while everyone else the majority is Jupiter!

I just want folks to be aware that this sequel effect mumbo jumbo is one big misconception.

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keragamming said:

No it doesn't as that user is saying that they should combine all the score from these sequels, so and get a total aggregate score after you combine them.

I pointed out that this is unfair to the sequel series and for series like fmab and hxh 2011 for example is a big advantage, which is why I pointed out that if fmab and hxh 2011 where to be split up into seasons like snk and the other sequels, they too would get a lower overall score when you combine the aggregate as the earlier arcs for those were consider to be weak and there scorers were like 8.30 in the first and second arc of those series so the score would drop tremendously if they were to be combine.

I was simple showing him that full adaptation has its advantages too.

On second thought that was a rather stupid thing to ask, it doesn't effect FMAB and HxH that much

But doesn't splitting seasons give you an unfair advantage over anime like death note
If I were to split death note into two parts

The difference between the scores for both seasons would be massive

Also how do you explain exceptional cases like Oregairu?

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keragamming said:

No it doesn't as that user is saying that they should combine all the score from these sequels, so and get a total aggregate score after you combine them.

I pointed out that this is unfair to the sequel series and for series like fmab and hxh 2011 for example is a big advantage, which is why I pointed out that if fmab and hxh 2011 where to be split up into seasons like snk and the other sequels, they too would get a lower overall score when you combine the aggregate as the earlier arcs for those were consider to be weak and there scorers were like 8.30 in the first and second arc of those series so the score would drop tremendously if they were to be combine.

I was simple showing him that full adaptation has its advantages too.

On second thought that was a rather stupid thing to ask, it doesn't effect FMAB and HxH that much

But doesn't splitting seasons give you an unfair advantage over anime like death note
If I were to split death note into two parts

The difference between the scores for both seasons would be massive

Also how do you explain exceptional cases like Oregairu?

That is a interesting scenario, as death note is the opposite of most series and one of those rare exceptions where the first arc is better/more liked than the second arc. I think if death note was split and the first season ended at episode 25 it would definitely be rated higher than what it is now.

So its first arc wouldn't be at a disadvantage at all, but the second arc would probably be rated if I had to guess around 7.00 - 7.80 range.

You would have to explain to me what you mean when you mention Oregairu? It's been years since I have watched that anime. So put it in spoilers.

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_FRB_ said:
If MAL's scores are calculated by a true mean, your conclusion that users rating 1-6 not having as much of an effect is mathematically incorrect. Also maybe you shouldn't use FMAB as a comparison. We all know what happens with its scores.

You are correct that the sequel usually being more climactic is a factor, or multiple things may happen that may lead the sequel to be less liked. But in general the sequel effect as we know it (sequels having higher scores because people that didn't like the first will not watch the sequel) is true.

I literally gave you an example that if those 8/10 users that is 25% decide to change their score to a 10/10 snk would jump right to second place despite these haters still being there, so basically the low scores are not what decide if a series is rated 5,6,7,8, or 9. The majority rule, its like a vote. the haters are 7.1% compare to everyone else that is 80.1% now tell me who has the more power here?

So if haters could not stop or have any effect to stop snk season 1 from being second if those 8/10 scorers change their score to 10/10, why would it have any effects for future sequel either.

The point I making is that the haters percentage wise is so low that in reality they don't affect the scores as much, I literally gave you the example without removing any of the haters from the stats that snk can easily be #2.

Again assuming MAL's rating are based on the true mean: If an anime has predominantly high scores, then a 1 added to mix affects the score MORE than another high score added in, because that's how averages work. If a show has mostly 8-10 ratings, me rating it 8-10 results in a change basically equivalent to nothing. But if I rate it a 1 it changes significantly more by comparison.

If your average test score is high, one bad score is going to affect your average more than another high score. This is extremely easy to prove yourself with small sample sizes, then just apply the same concept.

Deciding an average score based on a collection of ratings is absolutely not an example of "majority wins" in the way you are describing, i.e. The 80% does not prevent from 7% from existing. The end result is not binary like you are implying, and it's not a vote. If anything, the people with "more power" to change the score are the ones that are dissident to the most common scores.

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keragamming said:

I literally gave you an example that if those 8/10 users that is 25% decide to change their score to a 10/10 snk would jump right to second place despite these haters still being there, so basically the low scores are not what decide if a series is rated 5,6,7,8, or 9. The majority rule, its like a vote. the haters are 7.1% compare to everyone else that is 80.1% now tell me who has the more power here?

So if haters could not stop or have any effect to stop snk season 1 from being second if those 8/10 scorers change their score to 10/10, why would it have any effects for future sequel either.

The point I making is that the haters percentage wise is so low that in reality they don't affect the scores as much, I literally gave you the example without removing any of the haters from the stats that snk can easily be #2.

Again assuming MAL's rating are based on the true mean: If an anime has predominantly high scores, then a 1 added to mix affects the score MORE than another high score added in, because that's how averages work. If a show has mostly 8-10 ratings, me rating it 8-10 results in a change basically equivalent to nothing. But if I rate it a 1 it changes significantly more by comparison.

If your average test score is high, one bad score is going to affect your average more than another high score. This is extremely easy to prove yourself with small sample sizes, then just apply the same concept.

Deciding an average score based on a collection of ratings is absolutely not an example of "majority wins" in the way you are describing, i.e. The 80% does not prevent from 7% from existing. The end result is not binary like you are implying, and it's not a vote. If anything, the people with "more power" to change the score are the ones that are dissident to the most common scores.

I get the 1/10 score and I know it does a decent damage, but you are straying away form the point as a 1/10 vote for the most part are troll votes, downvote bots etc, so I was more thinking people that genuinely didn't like the series, which most wont even be rating in those extreme low range.

And what I am seeing is still true, the 0.3% 1/10 vote for snk season 1 is really not that impactful to the overall score, if it was 1% and more then we will see some effect but even so, the score still wouldn't have a significant drop in score.

Fmab actually has 0.7% 1/10 votes which is even more than attack on titan first season that didn't stop it from being number 1, because of the share power of the 10/10 and 9/10 votes out power it easily.

I am not saying those low scores have no effect, but in the grand scheme of things its negotiable, there is no going around that.

You can twist it all you want, but at the end of the day the reason fmab is #1 is because 50% gave it a 10/10 and 28% gave it a 9/10. The rest is chump change, those will affect its score yes, which is the reason its not close to reaching 10.00, 9.21 is so far away from 10.00, so yes if you look at it in that perspective those lower scores did do a good amount of damage to the overall score especially the 1/10 votes so it is not insignificant if you look at it in that perspective, but in the grand scheme of things fmab is the top dog and 9.21 is the bar that it has set.

Edit: Well actually the 7/10 users 12.5% is another reason for that. Forgot about them. lol

That is what we are working with.

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keragamming said:

Nope, because the percentage says it all, its simple maths. You have 100 dollar and you lost 90% of it, while in another scenario you lost only say 7% of it. Which one will have the more devastating effect?

The thing is, there are less people that watch with each season. There are 2 million people who have completed S1 of SnK, but S2 only has 1 million, and the final season has only 263,000 watching. There are less and less people with each season.

You're not wrong saying that people are likely rating higher because the anime gets better as it goes on, but it's also extremely likely the people who are the most enthusiastic about the anime are the ones that continue to watch the sequels.
And based on how many less people watched S2 of SnK than S1, we can assume there are even people who rated positive (like 6s, 7s, and some 8s) that didn't continue on. Therefore, you would have a higher percentage of 8s, 9s, and 10s than the previous seasons had.

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even if this is true its just an exception to the rule anyway

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keragamming said:

Nope, because the percentage says it all, its simple maths. You have 100 dollar and you lost 90% of it, while in another scenario you lost only say 7% of it. Which one will have the more devastating effect?

The thing is, there are less people that watch with each season. There are 2 million people who have completed S1 of SnK, but S2 only has 1 million, and the final season has only 263,000 watching. There are less and less people with each season.

You're not wrong saying that people are likely rating higher because the anime gets better as it goes on, but it's also extremely likely the people who are the most enthusiastic about the anime are the ones that continue to watch the sequels.
And based on how many less people watched S2 of SnK than S1, we can assume there are even people who rated positive (like 6s, 7s, and some 8s) that didn't continue on. Therefore, you would have a higher percentage of 8s, 9s, and 10s than the previous seasons had.

but it's also extremely likely the people who are the most enthusiastic about the anime are the ones that continue to watch the sequels.

I was never denying that.

Therefore, you would have a higher percentage of 8s, 9s, and 10s than the previous seasons had.

That didn't help season 2 being ranked lower than season 1.

Season 3 part 1 is also rated 8.56 with over 1 million users, while season 3 part 2 is over 900k users despite that, season 3 part 2 has over 34k favourites compare to season 2 with 1.4 million members and only having 15k and season 3 part 1 with 1 million users having 12k.

This simple indicate that season 3 part 2 rating is purely because of its quality and that these users that didn't add season 2 and season 3 part 1 in their favourite, means for them this one is special to them.

The score has only been going up for season 3 part 2 as more members are watching it to catch up to the final season, 900k members is a good enough sample size to tell you that even when this season reaches to 2 million it will either be higher in ranking or still be in this number range, just like hxh 2011, fmab etc no matter the amount of increase members, we will be seeing this same trend of this season getting mostly 10/10 and 9/10 score. That is what sample size is for, it is use as a way to make prediction, the bigger the sample size the more accurate is the prediction.

Think about it, why did it take 3 seasons for the score be so high? Why are season 1 to 3 are all so close to each other while season 3 part 2 literally best rocketed itself from the rest of the previous season? Because the basement arc delivered and it blow away anime only minds, it's a twist most of them didn't see coming.

Snk season 1 has 115k favourites with 2.3 million members, based off the trend of snk season 3 part 2, it will gain close to that number or even surpass that number by time it hit 1.5 million members. The more highly rank a series is the more its favourite count increases.

You are thinking that the more users that watch snk season 3 part 2, the lower the score will become but that's the opposite that is happening the more users that watches it, the higher the score becomes, I wouldn't be surprised by April that snk season 3 part 2 is in second place.

If you look at a random user list, the chances are way higher to see them giving season 3 part 2 the highest score out of all the seasons.

rated positive (like 6s, 7s, and some 8s) that didn't continue on.

Majority of those users will most definitely rate season 3 part 2 a 9/10 or 10/10, again you are assuming that the scores will remain the same when I have told you based off stats that season 3 part 2 is seen as the best season in the franchise thus far, which means it's highly likely those users will be giving this season a higher score compare to previous season.

Dude, just compare stats of season 3 part 2 with previous seasons, look at the number of persons giving it a 10/10 and 9/10 in season 3 part 2 and compare it to previous season, you will be surprised if
the findings.

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keragamming said:
it wouldn't make any sense to have all this build up to something that is inferior to the build up?

I see this all the time. Thanks to the industry's tendency to milk popular works for as long as possible, there are tons and tons and tons of anime that become worse over time. Yet inferior sequels rarely have lower scores.

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keragamming said:

but it's also extremely likely the people who are the most enthusiastic about the anime are the ones that continue to watch the sequels.

I was never denying that.

But isn't that effectively what the original sequel inflation theory is? Because the people who are the most enthusiastic are also likely to be the people who give the higher scores because they like the series so much, and the people who only gave 7s or lower are less likely to have continued watching the later seasons.

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Season 3 part 1 is also rated 8.56 with over 1 million users, while season 3 part 2 is over 900k users despite that, season 3 part 2 has over 34k favourites compare to season 2 with 1.4 million members and only having 15k and season 3 part 1 with 1 million users having 12k.

This simple indicate that season 3 part 2 rating is purely because of its quality and that these users that didn't add season 2 and season 3 part 1 in their favourite, means for them this one is special to them.

Honestly, S3P2 looks like an anomaly compared to most anime, as most do not have such an large increase between seasons. That could be an increase in quality, sure.

But take a look at any other anime (where the increase is usually less dramatic), we mostly see a slight decrease in percent in the 1-7s and and slight increase in the 8-10s. Could this also be because of an increase in quality? Maybe. But it could also just that the people who liked it the most continued watching while most of the people who didn't care for it as much just didn't continue.

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Think about it, why did it take 3 seasons for the score be so high? Why are season 1 to 3 are all so close to each other while season 3 part 2 literally best rocketed itself from the rest of the previous season? Because the basement arc delivered and it blow away anime only minds, it's a twist most of them didn't see coming.

That could be the case for SnK, but why would that make it also the case for all other anime? Your theory may hold true for SnK, but it doesn't mean it holds true for others as well.

keragamming said:

You are thinking that the more users that watch snk season 3 part 2, the lower the score will become

No, I'm saying that there are less people who have watched the later seasons compared to the first.

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but that's the opposite that is happening the more users that watches it, the higher the score becomes, I wouldn't be surprised by April that snk season 3 part 2 is in second place.

My entire point is just that there are presumably people who gave an earlier season something like a 7 and didn't continue to watch the later seasons (based on the fewer completing as the series goes on), and this can have an affect to the higher score as there are slightly fewer lower(7 and under) scores. And my point isn't specific to SnK, but to sequels in general which have the score inflation.

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If you look at a random user list, the chances are way higher to see them giving season 3 part 2 the highest score out of all the seasons.

And if you look at a random user list, the chances are also high to see them only having watched season 1, gave it a positive score of 7 or something, and never continued to watch the later seasons.

This whole thread just feels like you found a way to explain SnK S3P2 high score and decided to apply it to all anime without actually looking at all anime. Most other sequels could easily be explained by both theories, not one or the other.

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Jan 4, 2021 10:46 AM

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keragamming said:
it wouldn't make any sense to have all this build up to something that is inferior to the build up?

I see this all the time. Thanks to the industry's tendency to milk popular works for as long as possible, there are tons and tons and tons of anime that become worse over time. Yet inferior sequels rarely have lower scores.

Clearly that is your personal opinion here, the fact that the sequel doesn't have a lower score just means the majority share opinion than yours.

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Would love if you could give me a example for any anime.

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Second seasons, unless they have a relevant quality drop (ex. OPM) usually are better rated because only the fans remain to watch the subsequent seasons.

People who dislike it from the 1st season, of course, don't watch the second and don't rate it.

FMAb can be considered a "second season" (or more exactly, a second version) of the huge early-2000's hit that was FMA.

I'm from that time, i enjoyed the 1st FMA, and until now i didn't watch the Brotherhood because i finish the story by reading the manga, but if i do, certainly it will be a obvious 10/10 for me.

For me and for every other original FMA fan.

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keragamming said:

That is a interesting scenario, as death note is the opposite of most series and one of those rare exceptions where the first arc is better/more liked than the second arc. I think if death note was split and the first season ended at episode 25 it would definitely be rated higher than what it is now.

Exactly, the rule is: Second season is rated better, for natural selection of audience.

The exception: Unless it has a remarkable quality drop (or is a disaster): OPM, Berserk, SAO etc.

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This is an interesting take, but we should see if the same reasoning can be applied to other anime.

I can't explain it objectively cause it's just my sensation, but whenever there's a franchise whose first (or first few) seasons are rated slightly higher than the subsequent ones, I actually found these first season(s) to be MUCH better, and not just "slightly". Like the newest seasons would have gotten an even lower score, if sequel bias didn't exist. Some examples: Kaiji, Kimi ni Todoke, Durarara, Food Wars, My Hero Academia.

On the other hand, when the second season is rated at least 0.10-0.15 higher than the first, I usually manage to like both seasons equally, rather than considering the second much better, as the score would indicate. Some examples: Kaguya-sama, Jojo, Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, Made in Abyss, Genshiken, Aggretsuko, K-On.

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You AOT fanboys are so fucking desperate for your show to get to number 1 on MAL, aren't you?

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MoonDragon72 said:
You AOT fanboys are so fucking desperate for your show to get to number 1 on MAL, aren't you?

Bruh did you even read the post that has absolutely nothing to do with anything lmao

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that's interesting but you're gonna need more than just 1 example to prove this true. do this for the 50 sequels with the best scores and I'll believe what you have to say at this point. But just doing it with one series and taking for granted that's how it works for everything is celebrating your discovery too soon.

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keragamming said:

Would love if you could give me a example for any anime.

What exactly do you want examples of? I said they could be explained by both, as it would be extremely difficult (likely impossible) to prove it either way.

If you want anime that I think are, as @Rob7 perfectly described it as, rated better because of the natural selection of the audience, I would say a few examples are: Spice and Wolf, Fire Force, Aggretsuko, New Game, and Non Non Biyori.

It's of course very possible that the stories get better as they go on which is why the sequels are rated higher, but also you get less returning viewers who rated 1-7 so you have a slightly disproportional amount of 8-10s returning compared to the lower ratings. Sequel inflation is likely made up of multiple factors, but it seems silly to say the natural selection of the audience does not play a large role in most cases. In fact, I would say most SoL anime (K-On, New Game, Non Non Biyori) the natural selection is the most important factor. There is little to no story in these anime, so the viewers who enjoyed the characters and comedy the most are way more likely to return to rate it.

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Jan 4, 2021 2:39 PM

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so much mental effort for something so trivial lol

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MoonDragon72 said:
You AOT fanboys are so fucking desperate for your show to get to number 1 on MAL, aren't you?

Bruh did you even read the post that has absolutely nothing to do with anything lmao

"It has nothing to do with anything" dude, the only sequels that he brings up is AOT and that's it (unless I overlooked something). If he brought up more examples, then I would say he had a point.

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GoZha said:

Bruh did you even read the post that has absolutely nothing to do with anything lmao

"It has nothing to do with anything" dude, the only sequels that he brings up is AOT and that's it (unless I overlooked something). If he brought up more examples, then I would say he had a point.

I agree with you that he should have collected more data to better prove the point but never did he say that Attack on Titan should be number 1, he literally said he is an FMAB fan and he has FMAB at a 10/10

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GoZha said:

MoonDragon72 said:

"It has nothing to do with anything" dude, the only sequels that he brings up is AOT and that's it (unless I overlooked something). If he brought up more examples, then I would say he had a point.

I agree with you that he should have collected more data to better prove the point but never did he say that Attack on Titan should be number 1, he literally said he is an FMAB fan and he has FMAB at a 10/10

I've interacted with this guy before. He said that AOT should be number 1 on this thread:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1886514&show=30

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MoonDragon72 said:

GoZha said:

I agree with you that he should have collected more data to better prove the point but never did he say that Attack on Titan should be number 1, he literally said he is an FMAB fan and he has FMAB at a 10/10

I've interacted with this guy before. He said that AOT should be number 1 on this thread:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1886514&show=30

I was talking about the final season on that thread when I replied to you, in this thread I am using season 3 part 2 as an example and what I am addressing here has nothing to do with rankings or which series should be #1, but it was about sequels in general.

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Fair enough, when I have the time I will edit the post with other examples. I'm not sure on how many examples I need to prove my point. Is 10 samples good enough or do I need 50? Or maybe a 100?

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keragamming said:

MoonDragon72 said:

I've interacted with this guy before. He said that AOT should be number 1 on this thread:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1886514&show=30

I was talking about the final season on that thread when I replied to you, in this thread I am using season 3 part 2 as an example and what I am addressing here has nothing to do with rankings, but it was about sequels in general.

But you are addressing rankings. I can't think of any other way to interpret this thread. Also, you should use other examples besides AOT because it seems like you're an overly obsessed fanboy.

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MoonDragon72 said:

keragamming said:

I was talking about the final season on that thread when I replied to you, in this thread I am using season 3 part 2 as an example and what I am addressing here has nothing to do with rankings, but it was about sequels in general.

But you are addressing rankings. I can't think of any other way to interpret this thread. Also, you should use other examples besides AOT because it seems like you're an overly obsessed fanboy.

Yes, many users pointed out I needed more examples than snk, which I will do and edit the thread, but I am not sure how many more examples I need to prove my point here.

And yes, the sequel effect thread came up because I constantly see persons saying snk is only at the top because of the sequel effect, so yes it is to some extend related to rankings I wont deny that, hence snk season 3 part 2 was the perfect example in this situation.

But I admit I didn't do research on other series and just assume that is the case for all sequels so when I do my research on other series I will post my findings here.

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keragamming said:

MoonDragon72 said:

But you are addressing rankings. I can't think of any other way to interpret this thread. Also, you should use other examples besides AOT because it seems like you're an overly obsessed fanboy.

Yes, many users pointed out I needed more examples than snk, which I will do and edit the thread, but I am not sure how many more examples I need to prove my point here.

Gintama would be a good example. March Comes In Like A Lion and Code Geass as well.

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keragamming said:

Yes, many users pointed out I needed more examples than snk, which I will do and edit the thread, but I am not sure how many more examples I need to prove my point here.

Gintama would be a good example. March Comes In Like A Lion and Code Geass as well.

Ok, I will look at those and a few others.

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There was a similar topic to this when AoT S3 P2 was airing oh it was actually made by OP lol: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1790314

About the thread yeah I agree with you OP and also about longer series I don't know about others but personally I neglect bad parts of longer anime very easier than shorter series and maybe others are the same too that made FMAB and HxH 2011's score so high

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