| This happens in BL manga as well (common plot point to force drama down the readers throat) so I don't think it's an otaku thing but a human thing that just hasn't properly died out yet |
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See my remark "in anime usually". NeoYami said: sex is a way to pleasure yourself and your partner See my remark "in anime usually". NeoYami said: yes its primal but isnt a bad thing See my remark "in anime usually". And if in your real life it's in the same time "primal" and absolutely, definitely, kind of, maybe, from certain point of view "not a bad thing"...your statement sounds a bit suspicious. And if not obvious - I was joking the both times. About the main topic. This is Japan, eventually this is the polite way to refuse...thus the OP is going a bit overboard. Also Mari Okada just likes to force drama out of nothing. |
| stupid moralist view of things - I don't know about this anime you're talking about but: relevant rinbaud: "morality is the weakness of the brain. acquired without any reflexion, it prints itself inside us at our detriment" though this character is probably some teen, I know japanese are quite moralist in their ways of doing things(even if they're one of the best nations) and I would never want to live there. exept with other immoralists. I mean it looks like I went of topic but I didn't at all. it's as simple as "japanese's morality" and I don't like this morality. even my country(france)'s morality is a morality of weaklings. (the strongs must subjet to the weaks and be egals to weaks gnagnagna that's not living in the real at all) but no nation's morality is good anyway since it's morality exept if it isn't dogmatic and it changes (unlike christianity's). |
ZehennagelSep 20, 2019 3:36 PM
| I'm sure Japan really open about this stuff and doesn't shy away to highlight this matter, it's more of how this trope appeal to mass audience. I must say I kind of hate it though since things like sex is happening like everywhere except for most conservative countries |
| japanese media advances that view since japan still has a very puritan culture, similar to 1950s america except japan never got the counter-culture movement that completely changed america in the 1960s. sure there are still americans that think this way, but it doesn't compare to japan in scale u can see how well it works if the existence of hentai is any indication lol |
Aure0linSep 20, 2019 3:57 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
alshu said: See my remark "in anime usually". NeoYami said: sex is a way to pleasure yourself and your partner See my remark "in anime usually". NeoYami said: yes its primal but isnt a bad thing See my remark "in anime usually". And if in your real life it's in the same time "primal" and absolutely, definitely, kind of, maybe, from certain point of view "not a bad thing"...your statement sounds a bit suspicious. And if not obvious - I was joking the both times. About the main topic. This is Japan, eventually this is the polite way to refuse...thus the OP is going a bit overboard. Also Mari Okada just likes to force drama out of nothing. I didnt get the "see my remark "in anime usually" How it is suspicious I said it was a primal thing and not bad, because primal behaviour is often connected to violent and retrograde |
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| I haven't seen the show in question but I see zero problem if the guy isn't into casual sex and doesn't want to do it with a girl unless they're both willing to commit to each other long term. If waiting another year or two until they graduate highschool (or whatever the case may be) is a deal breaker then maybe the relationship wasn't so strong in the first place. And of course there is the idea that sex is something that you do after marriage so we're basically talking about a more mild version of that. I definitely wouldn't see it as an insult unless you put the girl in a position where she is willing to commit to you and rejecting her makes it seem like you don't feel the same way. But on the other hand if the girl is just forcing herself to do it because of social pressure or because she thinks you want to even though she's not ready yet, then turning her down might be the correct option. Open and honest dialogue is the key here. Try to understand and respect the other person's point of view. |
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| Indeed, Japan has a fascination with purity and chastity, especially the otaku... yet to be honest, I can't count the number of comments and threads that would ask about if X female anime character is still a virgin, and put an accent on it as something that matters, and her not being a virgin anymore and being ''used goods'' was seen as a negative... And those weren't Japanese. I see them all the time in anime comments, manga comments... I think I saw a bunch on this forum itself. So it's something that is adopted together with the otaku culture, so it's not ethnic... But I notice that most of those guys have something in common - most of them are teenagers around 13yo-18yo. As for the ''you should cherish yourself more...'' Is a bit more complicated than you make it seem. First of all, when you see this it's mostly in shows about underage teens? So obviously you can't go and promote sex between children like is nothing. Japan, as liberal and weird as it is, it still has some laws and some limits. Also, if you really look deep into it, often you will discover that this troupe is used in manga written by females. And the anime you mentioned is such an example. So you basically have an adult, mature woman creating a situation in which the boy would say something that a woman would want to hear in that situation... Is not a secret that often women regret their early, and especially their first sexual experience. No matter what peoples say you are not prepared for sex at 15 ... that's nonsense. You are not mature enough for such a decision. But let's not enter in such debates. Anyway, so what happens is that you the female author creates a situation where the young girl is said not hurry to do a mistake and wait for a day you are more prepared - cherish yourself more... Is something that she thinks a young girl in that situation should do or is projection - something she wishes would have done or heard herself at some point in her life. Anyway, is a complex problem... is sexism ... Like ''You need to remain pure and untouched forever cuz I am sexist and love virgins!'' It's more about adults trying to send a message to their way younger readers, about responsibility and dignity, is about wise decisions, is... Peoples must understand that this world is big, and not everyone shares the sexual liberation or hook up/one night stand culture of the West. From an outsider point of view, the Western culture puts too little value on sex... it makes it really cheap and irrelevant. It trows out of the equation the idea of compatibility, love, connection, trust and knowing each other, for an as numerous as a possible number of superficial, purely physical encounters... And when I talk about cheap sex, I am not using a metaphor... When you find sex partners on Craiglist, the same platform from which you buy second-hand furniture, thats really low... So of course that if you are from West a man refusing sex and telling the girl to cherish herself more may sound weird, but outside of the Western world, there are other ways of seeing the world too. |
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| Araburu is full of lines no human in his right mind would ever consider saying. Also in the scene that sentence is a rejection if nothing else. You're reading too much into it. |
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The literally go and see my remark "in anime usually". Like what usually happens in anime. NeoYami said: How it is suspicious I said it was a primal thing and not bad, because primal behaviour is often connected to violent and retrograde I am joking here but it sounds creepy because it could be used as an excuse for predatory behaviour. |
alshu said: The literally go and see my remark "in anime usually". Like what usually happens in anime. NeoYami said: How it is suspicious I said it was a primal thing and not bad, because primal behaviour is often connected to violent and retrograde I am joking here but it sounds creepy because it could be used as an excuse for predatory behaviour. Oh ok, I didnt think of the children...they still cant take full responsability for their actions so they cant be involved in this topic |
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NeoYami said: Oh ok, I didnt think of the children...they still cant take full responsability for their actions so they cant be involved in this topic This time I don't get it. How is this relevant to anime conventions? |
alshu said: NeoYami said: Oh ok, I didnt think of the children...they still cant take full responsability for their actions so they cant be involved in this topic This time I don't get it. How is this relevant to anime conventions? alshu said: NeoYami said: Oh ok, I didnt think of the children...they still cant take full responsability for their actions so they cant be involved in this topic This time I don't get it. How is this relevant to anime conventions? 😐...Nice question...😕 I dont know it myself |
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