Netflix is a terrible company that doesn't care about the anime industry whatsoever

Daemon said:
I've said this before, but the "binge watching" thing makes no sense to me... If Netflix simulcasts the anime, then it changes literally nothing for binge watchers, and all it does is bring in more viewers who want to watch it as it airs. The full collection will still be there afterwards for people who want to binge watch it. No idea why they're sticking with this dumb model of not simulcasting, and this is coming from someone who prefers to binge watch.

ubernewb said:
what do you think the cost comparison is between licensing a currently airing program on a weekly basis vs licensing a completed series after it's off the air? and how many people do you think exist who don't have a netflix sub for the sole reason of not simulcasting but would sign up if they did? let's be real, maybe a couple dozen?

unless weekly licensing was the exact same price as buying up the finished season, it would be a fiscally retarded decision on their part.

Daemon said:


Not sure about how big the cost difference is, but I would suspect not much, if any at all. IIRC, Netflix actually simulcasted Violet Evergarden in almost every country except for the US, so they clearly had the capability to do so but just chose not to.

Lunilah said:
They tried it, and decided it wasn't fruitful to do outside of Japan. You may not understand binge watching and that's fine, but that's what their 140 million subscribers are built on and have decided to do for anime going forward.

Daemon said:


I do understand binge watching, and like I said, it's actually my preferred way to watch anime. The thing I don't understand is why Netflix can't do both, because simulcasting does not deprive anyone of binge watching if they want to.

It would only make sense if simulcasting actually did cost more like that other guy was saying, but Netflix's broadcasting of Violet Evergarden makes me think that they have the rights to simulcast if they want to anyway. Also, similar streaming platforms like Amazon Prime Video simulcast.

BlancaXLobo said:
I need to atch Enter the Anime just to heard, if it is true. Also, don't you think the documentary's fault was mainly from the ones who made it, who aren't Netflix? Netflix just put the money.

Also, the only bad thing about how they broadcasted Little Witch Academia was that because of it the show didn't have the impact it could have. To be honest i was glad seeing all those entitled seasonal watchers accostumed to simulcast bitch and complain.

Then the EVA dub. Well, an english EVA dub that sucks, what a surprise, only this time we don't have Spike Spencer's annoying voice as Shinji.

@Chiibi if ADV Films actually cared they wouldn't cast Spike Spencer as Shinji.

Lunilah said:
Amazon Prime Video hasn't marketed themselves with the binging philosophy like Netflix has, and is completely dwarfed by them regardless. If streaming Violet Evergarden week to week wasn't fruitful for their audience, then they aren't going to continue doing week to week broadcasts. Simple as that.

Daemon said:


Again, it only makes sense if simulcasting costs the company extra, because simulcasting does not affect the "binging philosophy" in any manner whatsoever.

Lunilah said:
Except it does directly effect it if they're getting less numbers due to breaking off what they've built themselves to be, proving to be a bad investment. Operating on a loss.

Daemon said:


Why would they get less numbers? If Netflix simulcasts, no binge watcher is going to cancel their subscription. They will still be able to watch the entire series at their own convenience like they always have been, and it will make no difference whatsoever to them.

Daemon said:


Why would they get less numbers? If Netflix simulcasts, no binge watcher is going to cancel their subscription. They will still be able to watch the entire series at their own convenience like they always have been, and it will make no difference whatsoever to them.

Lunilah said:
Less numbers watching a show that is week to week rather than released all at once, due to them marketing themselves as the binge network, i'm not talking about subscription numbers. They've licensed a ton of anime that has already been finished and a handful that haven't, they have the numbers and they stopped doing week to week, probably because people forget something exists after 3-4+ months and don't bother with it. Netflix is a business like any other, they aren't going to do something that isn't in their best interest, they tried it, and stopped doing it.

Conceptually sure, people can just watch it later. But they don't. They're dealing with the reality of their situation.

Perhaps Amazon Prime releasing 3 episodes of Vinland Saga at once was a test.

Daemon said:


Do you have a source for that, or are you just guessing? Maybe you are right, because I really can't think of any other explanation why Netflix wouldn't just do the obvious thing and simulcast. Crunchyroll and Amazon Prime don't have this problem, but for the former, at least, it may be due to it being mainly for anime fans.



Didn't NHK in Japan release all three episodes at the same time too, though?

Zalis said:
The anime industry operates with the intent of making money. A lot of the titles Netflix streams are or were on other anime-centric streaming sites, true, but their presence on Netflix makes it much more likely that "normies" will discover them and potentially seek out other anime as well. The licensing money that Japanese companies get from Netflix is worth a lot more than the "exposure" they get from bootleg streaming sites, that's for sure.

I can understand frustration over NF's lack of simulcasting, and don't blame people for pirating them during the JP broadcasts, as that is a genuine "service problem." At the same time, let's not pretend that a substantial majority of the audiences for LWA, Violet Evergarden, etc. weren't just going to pirate them anyway, even if they were simulcasted.

Evangelion's last US release was in 2008 -- a little more than one decade, but hardly "decades." It's funny, anime viewers are always complaining about companies taking liberties and changing things in the Japanese script. Then Netflix comes along with a more faithful NGE localization, and everyone's all "We want our late 1990s liberal translations back!!" It's possible that ADV and Manga had retained the rights to those old dubs, as contracts were done differently back then, and those dubs might not have reverted to Gainax/khara after the licenses expired. But it's also likely that khara wanted to throw the old version out and start again fresh. Either way, the new dubs and subs on Netflix were created by or heavily supervised by Studio khara themselves, much like the way Rebuild 3 was supervised to the point that Funimation had to redo the dub/subs and delay the release. If you don't like the changes, blame khara. I mean, what was Netflix supposed to do, disrespect and flat-out ignore the wishes of NGE's creators?

As for Fly Me to the Moon, apparently it was sacrificed on the altar of global accessibility. If NF had done a more limited, region-locked release of Evangelion, perhaps the rights would've been affordable. It's up to them to decide if the revenue from fringe regions is enough to offset any losses incurred by not including FMTTM. They were already spending a presumably astronomical amount to license NGE in the first place. Sspending even more for a song that, let's be honest, a large portion of viewers is going to skip anyway, might have made the whole process of licensing/streaming NGE into a money-losing endeavor.

yotamdin said:
This is a classic story of a brand not being in touch with their target demographic and viewers, even tho i still think netflix cares about anime (cause it can bring in the big bucks) but they still seem to misunderstand how anime broadcasting should work, which is why they just give it the same treatment any other medium gets such as releasing it all at once and putting up older shows from previous years for people to binge (which is one thing i actually like theyre doing) they treat anime in such a way because it seems like they dont know how to treat anime, for them its basically like any other thing, and in the large scale of things theyre, kinda right, for them its just another show thatll bring money to the table via broadcasting it.

For the politically correct thing, netflix have been known to pander to political correctness, and while its your decision to say if its bad for creativity or good for marketing, i myself agree that it butchers the show and it really sucks for the original work to be changed like this, you shouldnt censor eva just like how you shouldnt censor black lagoons english dub.
But you gotta keep in mind that the original dub might have not been legally available for netflix to use, which is still not a very good case to why they changed it to this extent, but makes more sense

Other than that, you still gotta appreciate the amount of original anime we got from them, and keep getting, this kinda stuff, to me, show us that they do care (even if its cause the money) about anime, but just dont know how to approach it, i feel as if bringing in people who actually know a thing or 2 about the anime fandom like how crunchy and funimation do, would make a huge difference, those companies got their own problems but at least they are a lot more in touch with how their demographic works, cause they ARE that demographic

ubernewb said:


because anime lovers account for 100% of cr/funi viewership, where they could account for less than 1% of netflix viewership? changing your business model for such a slim % of your customers doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint.

syncrogazer said:

So, kissanime shills are now using fear-mongering to sell their shitty site. funny stuff.

Wavey_Nooby said:
But when you receive that email from a copyright troll telling you to pay X amount of money for the shit you downloaded you're gonna shit on yourself.

Space_Invader said:


https://www.indiewire.com/2018/03/netflix-dubbed-tv-shows-default-subtitles-1201937425/#!

It's most likely about releasing the show with it dubbed into other languages. Violet Evergarden, the one show Netflix did simulcast, had a same day English dub.

Lunilah said:
Don't have a source for that, it's just deduction, including the fact that Japan is greatly accustomed to week to week content so it would make sense they don't change it there. I also don't think there is any single reason for anything, but i do think licensing fees on top of people not being as interested over time are definitely tied together when you've built 140m subscribers on a single concept.
I made a more detailed post here responding to the OP, i'm not knocking the fees, just from deduction i think it's wrong to ignore as a factor for inserting something week to week into a platform that almost exclusively does binging and for a new medium at that.

I don't know what NHK released, i was just assuming because i don't actually know.

Edit: A comma.

Daemon said:


If that were the case, then that means that Netflix only licenses anime that have dubs. I don't know if that's actually true or not. Also, it's clear that no other anime streaming site, including similar competitors like Amazon Prime, think that they absolutely need a dub or they won't air the anime.



The thing that strikes me as weird is that simulcasting won't affect binge watching. With or without simulcast, the full, completed show is still on Netflix for the same amount of time, so even if someone had started the anime and then forgot about it like in the scenario you said, they would still be able to see it on rotation on Netflix later and maybe be reminded that they started watching it and then they could go back and finish the whole thing.

But I agree that there has to be some reason, or a combination of reasons, that is making Netflix choose not to simulcast, so you could be right in the end. The only flaw to this argument is that competitors like Amazon Prime still choose to simulcast anyway...

syncrogazer said:

To me, it definitely reads like a terrible advertisement for a shit product. I mean, going out of your way to watch bit rate starved re-encodes on a garbage website out of fear of some lawsuit that's never going to come? It's too hard to believe.

I'll be looking forward to it though. I'm sure those seedy porn companies are just waiting for my next obscure anime download. Maybe they'll help seed some stuff I've been stuck on for a while.

ubernewb said:
the paranoia is real.. srs, nobody really gives a shit. especially about your anime torrents. seeding some $$$ hollywood megamovie right before/after release has about a one in one billion chance of you catching an email, but that's about it.

that said, kiss is a pretty garbage site imo.. if you do want to sail the seas, i'd second twist. no extra junk, just decent quality shows to stream. i've been using it to catch up on shows that cr doesn't have

Daemon said:


If that were the case, then that means that Netflix only licenses anime that have dubs. I don't know if that's actually true or not. Also, it's clear that no other anime streaming site, including similar competitors like Amazon Prime, think that they absolutely need a dub or they won't air the anime.



The thing that strikes me as weird is that simulcasting won't affect binge watching. With or without simulcast, the full, completed show is still on Netflix for the same amount of time, so even if someone had started the anime and then forgot about it like in the scenario you said, they would still be able to see it on rotation on Netflix later and maybe be reminded that they started watching it and then they could go back and finish the whole thing.

But I agree that there has to be some reason, or a combination of reasons, that is making Netflix choose not to simulcast, so you could be right in the end. The only flaw to this argument is that competitors like Amazon Prime still choose to simulcast anyway...

Wavey_Nooby said:
Also you complain about the site being shitty but doesn’t know that it’s quite easy to circumvent advertisements and pop ups. I’ll take that over paying a subscription every month with my hard earned cash.

Si-Ran said:
holy fuck get a life

i can't understand why this post needed to be so long

Wavey_Nooby said:
you’re digging a grave buddy I’m telling you. VPNs arent perfect. But hey, you do you. Also I’m not using kissanime because I’m afraid of torrenting. I just refuse to pay for a service like crunchy roll or funimation. They got me fucked up. Also you complain about the site being shitty but doesn’t know that it’s quite easy to circumvent advertisements and pop ups. I’ll take that over paying a subscription every month with my hard earned cash.

syncrogazer said:


So if you're not actually afraid of getting sued, you're eating garbage because you like it? That seems even worse to me.

DiscoDespot said:


I am with you on Kiss Anime. Still one the best selections on the web with most animes being in decent 720p quality. Throw in some Ublock and a pop up blocker and you are good to go. I don't understand the complaints about quality, I stream rip every show I watch on there and the quality is perfectly fine when I HDMI it from my laptop to TV. A couple servers have sound distortion issues, but I just don't use those sources.

As for P2P, its hard to find active seeds for the more obscure shows so its back to Kiss. Anyway, stream ripping is often faster than trying to leach from one guy in Croatia seeding the show you want. I have torrented a few shows with the VPN and never had any problems with my ISP though.




I don't see how what Kiss provides is garbage. Their steams sound and look fine on a TV, isn't that what the are supposed to do?

Wavey_Nooby said:
they just have buttfuck shitty booty potato router internet and can’t stream shit so they have to torrent

DiscoDespot said:
I don't see how what Kiss provides is garbage.

syncrogazer said:

wut. Torrents can download at way faster speeds than what is required to stream shitty kissanime MP4s.


Hmm, maybe it's the comically awful interface, the shitty hardsubbed re-encodes, or the fact that they profit off of the works of other people, whether in the anime industry or the community who does fansubbing and encoding for free. No torrent site I use has ads, and whether I can block them is besides the point.

I mean streaming sucks anyway. You can't archive anything (who the fuck rips streams lol) and you have no control over the source of what you're watching. I laugh whenever I see someone upload subs that have been machine translated, which happens sometimes for new releases like movies, because I know the shitty streaming sites are going to steal them and host them forever, even after better subs or a better encode is released. I mean you people do realize that kissanime steals everything they have from torrent sites, right?

But are there really anime pirates who've never seen a proper BD encode that they can say with a straight face that pirate streams look good on a decently sized TV? Seriously?

ubernewb said:


exactly.. the more people they expose to it, the more people seek more anime out elsewhere. more interest in anime in general = more money invested into getting even more anime and anime merchandise out there for everyone to consume.

MindOfOsaka said:
You are too privileged, dude. Netflix is doing some good stuff and bringing anime to a huuge audience. I'm totally fine with them dropping an entire show later on than doing a weekly release. The people translating and doing with a short deadline each week provides us with sub-par translations, that they always fix later on.

MindOfOsaka said:
You are too privileged, dude. Netflix is doing some good stuff and bringing anime to a huuge audience. I'm totally fine with them dropping an entire show later on than doing a weekly release. The people translating and doing with a short deadline each week provides us with sub-par translations, that they always fix later on.