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SSL443 said: Cleckeroo said: The wave is endless if you don't defeat the boss early, the monsters are continuously spawning endlessly. Of course it that wont indicate any doubt because it's just the start of the wave the other heroes are OP that time. Naofumi doesn't know what to do if another wave hits and they are still undergeared so Naofumi will do anything to earn money but in a right way, but because he pissed the King and doesn't want to support him anymore. So he needs to earn his money and save as much as possible. This is all information that is missing from the anime. You're pulling in excuses from the source material, or extrapolating based on information thereof, rather than drawing on the adaptation itself to make a case. The waves aren't even endless. What you can kind of get from the anime is, that if you defeat the boss the wave ends. And if anyone is interested, here are some more infos on waves, depending on where the anime might end it will be explained at some point (or maybe not). But on the whole Naofumi thing, I wouldn't even call him desperate (at least not now, only in specific moments later on). He's more pragmatic? At least in the LN it always seemed that way to me. He know he lacks money to get gear, food and literally anything, so he just does what he needs to survive (it seems to me that way, even in the anime). And he is kind of an asshole about it, that's true. Personally I grew to like his personality, but the anime just can hold anything to the LN in that regard, since it is out of Naofumi's pov and as a reader you just get to know him on a deeper level. |
| Yoo that cursed Shield is freaking CRAZY!!!! Really awesome episode. The music during the cursed scene was amazing. I knew Filo wouldn't go down with out a fight!! I hate how Naofumi has to clean up after these other CLOWNS! Raphtalia being cursed T_T Come on Naofumi she wants some along time with you bro!!! |
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BlackLatias said: SSL443 said: This is all information that is missing from the anime. You're pulling in excuses from the source material, or extrapolating based on information thereof, rather than drawing on the adaptation itself to make a case. The waves aren't even endless. What you can kind of get from the anime is, that if you defeat the boss the wave ends. And if anyone is interested, here are some more infos on waves, depending on where the anime might end it will be explained at some point (or maybe not). But on the whole Naofumi thing, I wouldn't even call him desperate (at least not now, only in specific moments later on). He's more pragmatic? At least in the LN it always seemed that way to me. He know he lacks money to get gear, food and literally anything, so he just does what he needs to survive (it seems to me that way, even in the anime). And he is kind of an asshole about it, that's true. Personally I grew to like his personality, but the anime just can hold anything to the LN in that regard, since it is out of Naofumi's pov and as a reader you just get to know him on a deeper level. I forgot about that He has a hopeless situation that to the point he bought a slave just to survive. |
BowelHunterRevan said: Killuan said: Raphtalia explained that to Naofumi at end of episode four. "When demi-humans are younger, they age when they level." They stop leveling once they reach adulthood, as there would be no purpose in aging past your prime. JESUS CHRIST NO they stop growing after they reach prime age (20ish yrs old) They can keep leveling up and could go well beyond a 100 lvls. (If they found a way to perform that class-up ceremony) That's what I meant to say I just put "They stop leveling" rather than "they stop aging" We can already see that Raphtalia is nearly level 40. |
Cleckeroo said: BlackLatias said: The waves aren't even endless. What you can kind of get from the anime is, that if you defeat the boss the wave ends. And if anyone is interested, here are some more infos on waves, depending on where the anime might end it will be explained at some point (or maybe not). But on the whole Naofumi thing, I wouldn't even call him desperate (at least not now, only in specific moments later on). He's more pragmatic? At least in the LN it always seemed that way to me. He know he lacks money to get gear, food and literally anything, so he just does what he needs to survive (it seems to me that way, even in the anime). And he is kind of an asshole about it, that's true. Personally I grew to like his personality, but the anime just can hold anything to the LN in that regard, since it is out of Naofumi's pov and as a reader you just get to know him on a deeper level. I forgot about that He has a hopeless situation that to the point he bought a slave just to survive. True to both things, but Naofumi bought Raphtalia when he was at his lowest and that was pretty much right after (in the LN there was a bit more time inbetween the events) the rape accusation. After the "first" wave and his battle with Motoyasu he kind of accepted his 'role' as the bad guy and acts accordingly, while also profiting as much as he can at the same time. Sounds rather pragmatic to me (as he pretty much doesn't give a shit about anyone that is not Raphtalia, Filo or the blacksmith). |
BlackLatias said: Cleckeroo said: I forgot about that He has a hopeless situation that to the point he bought a slave just to survive. True to both things, but Naofumi bought Raphtalia when he was at his lowest and that was pretty much right after (in the LN there was a bit more time inbetween the events) the rape accusation. After the "first" wave and his battle with Motoyasu he kind of accepted his 'role' as the bad guy and acts accordingly, while also profiting as much as he can at the same time. Sounds rather pragmatic to me (as he pretty much doesn't give a shit about anyone that is not Raphtalia, Filo or the blacksmith). Well those are his companions that actually he can trust in this world. |
Raphtalia1 said: not only in manga and even in LN, it seems the studio wants to change everything so that this adaptation will be different from LN or Manga, that's why I'm disappointed and dislike I didn't mind some of the changes, but the stuff left out in this episode should not have been left out. What made Naofumi snap was when he realized "Oh shit, it was my fault that Filo died" and the manga did a better job portraying the aftermath of letting his rage get out of control. You could really see the remorse in his face after his party disposed of the dragon corpse. |
| This episode was so underwhelming , after a great start this has been a downfall for me so far . Edit : also the comments are funny lol |
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| This was a really good episode. once again Raphtalia to the rescue, it's a really good learning experience for the hero. Also why was I not surprised that Filo ate the dragon from the inside, bloody guts of a thing lol. |
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Dhyan_manu said: BourBon-7so said: This episode was so underwhelming , after a great start this has been downfall for me so far . How though since we haven't even seen the shield of rage's full power which we will very soon. I like how they kept the shield of rage very briefly. Filo's "death" , Naofumi rage and him going back to normal , none of those was done right in fact they were bad even the fight was not anywhere near good , however i liked the little speech at the end . |
| the way Naofumi and Raphtalia reacted to Filo being eaten was lacking emotion. Their reactions didn’t really give off the feeling that they just lost a close friend/companion. The whole scene was lacking intensity. |
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BlackLatias said: The waves aren't even endless. What you can kind of get from the anime is, that if you defeat the boss the wave ends. And if anyone is interested, here are some more infos on waves, depending on where the anime might end it will be explained at some point (or maybe not). But on the whole Naofumi thing, I wouldn't even call him desperate (at least not now, only in specific moments later on). He's more pragmatic? At least in the LN it always seemed that way to me. He know he lacks money to get gear, food and literally anything, so he just does what he needs to survive (it seems to me that way, even in the anime). And he is kind of an asshole about it, that's true. Personally I grew to like his personality, but the anime just can hold anything to the LN in that regard, since it is out of Naofumi's pov and as a reader you just get to know him on a deeper level. Thanks for the info on the waves, that kind of fits with my impression based on how it was portrayed in the anime; I didn't get any sense of real urgency that they needed to defeat X enemies or risk being overwhelmed. Most of the conflict that episode centered around protecting the village. Pragmatic is a good word for it. It's definitely true that he is doing whatever it takes to survive, but there isn't a sense that he is hopeless or believes that he won't succeed no matter what he does. |
SSL443 said: 2ego said: "Next episode gets dark" - some fuck said. False. When I got my hopes up that it will get at least A LITTLE bit more realistic and developed, NOP some magical superpower emerges because of some *tragedy* and a bunch of corny "I hate everyone!!" crap appears, and at the end NOBODY dies, everything ends HAPPILY. The excuse for Filo not dying is so painfully cringey & bad that it's even funny... Horrible episode as usual. Yep, sums it up. This is not just a problem with shield hero, but I wish anime would not pull their punches. Either Filo or Raphtalia could have died in this episode, but the author didn't have the guts to go through with it. 2ego said: "Next episode gets dark" - some fuck said. False. When I got my hopes up that it will get at least A LITTLE bit more realistic and developed, NOP some magical superpower emerges because of some *tragedy* and a bunch of corny "I hate everyone!!" crap appears, and at the end NOBODY dies, everything ends HAPPILY. The excuse for Filo not dying is so painfully cringey & bad that it's even funny... Horrible episode as usual. I'm not defending the reasoning/logic of why there's hardly any deaths in the series for the heroes side, but there are other ways of having a series/story turn to darker themes than just death. For spoiler reasons, it's hard to see any of the heroes dying (book 4 talks about it, so if either of you stick around, it will be explained in the neighborhood of episode 14). But companions should be more expendable and easier to kill off. Filo's plot armor is quite high because of whats to come in the next book and I believe she is meant to be a key factor in the 'end game' stuff, not too sure because I'm currently only on book 10 of the 20 written/13 translated into English for the light novel. Anyways, back to my thoughts on the show, I thought it was an okay episode. Nothing great, but not as bad as last episode like people have been saying. And I personally liked the song that was playing when the shield of hate/wrath was unlocked, and when he went berserk. I'm a bit of a sucker for songs like that. |
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| The episode did it. I'm dropping this series. The first episode was so good prompting me to read the manga which i caught up to date with in a day because it's so good i couldn't stop reading. Yet what is this adaptation? So many things could be done better This episode was so boring I couldn't even finish it cause I ended up falling asleep midway. Having to watch the newest episode of this series every week had turned into something I dread. So I'm leaving and will be a manga-only now. Hope the rest of ya'll enjoy. |
2ego said: Demyx_IX said: I'm not defending the reasoning/logic of why there's hardly any deaths in the series for the heroes side, but there are other ways of having a series/story turn to darker themes than just death. For spoiler reasons, it's hard to see any of the heroes dying (book 4 talks about it, so if either of you stick around, it will be explained in the neighborhood of episode 14). But companions should be more expendable and easier to kill off. Filo's plot armor is quite high because of whats to come in the next book and I believe she is meant to be a key factor in the 'end game' stuff, not too sure because I'm currently only on book 10 of the 20 written/13 translated into English for the light novel. Anyways, back to my thoughts on the show, I thought it was an okay episode. Nothing great, but not as bad as last episode like people have been saying. And I personally liked the song that was playing when the shield of hate/wrath was unlocked, and when he went berserk. I'm a bit of a sucker for songs like that. Yeah y'all bitches keep repeating the same shit over and over again, "next episode gets better," somehow it DOESN'T get better. Personally, this episode was worse than the previous one, since this one TRIED doing something, but FAILED, miserably, while the previous one was just dull & cringey. I stopped saying that some episodes ago, and if you notice how I wrote it, I left it up to you to decide if you keep watching or not. I just said that at least a portion of why she has a bit plot armor is revealed. SSL443 said: Comander-07 said: Also, this has been buggin me for a while, but now they actually talked about getting stronger. Why does he care more about money than grinding exp? As I see it he should be spending 95% of his time leveling up to be safe. Why is he suddenly acting as if he only cares about money? Is the leveling part implied but skipped? I guess farming mob would be boring, but atleast talk about it please. They also need to make a living, as well as buy gear. And since the kingdom has cut off all support they have no other income, unlike the other heroes. Narratively it makes sense, but to be honest watching him go around in a cart skrimping for every spare penny he can get is sorta boring. I'm surprised that he hasn't been given trouble by the merchants guild, or fined for operating without a business license, or whatever. If I remember right, in episode 6, along with the carriage that was the prize for saving the village from Motoyasu's and Myne's outlandish taxes, the governor gave Naofumi a traveling merchant permit, which allows him go from village to village without having to pay a toll to enter, and sell his goods. It's an easy thing to miss given that it wasn't made clear what its meant for in the episode. |
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Demyx_IX said: If I remember right, in episode 6, along with the carriage that was the prize for saving the village from Motoyasu's and Myne's outlandish taxes, the governor gave Naofumi a traveling merchant permit, which allows him go from village to village without having to pay a toll to enter, and sell his goods. It's an easy thing to miss given that it wasn't made clear what its meant for in the episode. I remember that, but I thought it was just to get around the tolls. Guess I was wrong about that. Still, if they wanted to make it look like Naofumi was facing some kind of adversity at this point of the story it seems like the powers that be would try to stop him from operating his business - you know, punish people that trade with him, that sort of thing. Standard villain stuff. Demyx_IX said: I'm not defending the reasoning/logic of why there's hardly any deaths in the series for the heroes side, but there are other ways of having a series/story turn to darker themes than just death. I'm talking specifically about fakeout deaths where you get the emotional impact of death without any of the consequences. Having your cake and eating it too, in other words. |
SSL443 said: Demyx_IX said: If I remember right, in episode 6, along with the carriage that was the prize for saving the village from Motoyasu's and Myne's outlandish taxes, the governor gave Naofumi a traveling merchant permit, which allows him go from village to village without having to pay a toll to enter, and sell his goods. It's an easy thing to miss given that it wasn't made clear what its meant for in the episode. I remember that, but I thought it was just to get around the tolls. Guess I was wrong about that. Still, if they wanted to make it look like Naofumi was facing some kind of adversity at this point of the story it seems like the powers that be would try to stop him from operating his business - you know, punish people that trade with him, that sort of thing. Standard villain stuff. Demyx_IX said: I'm not defending the reasoning/logic of why there's hardly any deaths in the series for the heroes side, but there are other ways of having a series/story turn to darker themes than just death. I'm talking specifically about fakeout deaths where you get the emotional impact of death without any of the consequences. Having your cake and eating it too, in other words. Yeah, the anime didn't do a good job of explaining that, and you make an excellent point about the whole stopping him from doing business. From what I remember of book 2, to prevent people from figuring out who was actually making/selling the goods, Raphtalia would do all the sales while Naofumi hid in the cart. That way, even if there was a plan like that in place, people would only be on the lookout for Naofumi selling things, not Raphtalia. And people would only see him if they had hired them for a ride, like the accessory dealer did, or if someone needed medicine. Obviously, none of that was covered by the anime, which is unfortunate to say the least. |
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| It's not plot armor when Firo got swallowed whole into a stomach that's not really functional like a live one would have. If you guys watch again there are several open wounds near the belly where Firo was so she could still be able to breathe without any difficulty. |
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Janethan23 said: It's not plot armor when Firo got swallowed whole into a stomach that's not really functional like a live one would have. If you guys watch again there are several open wounds near the belly where Firo was so she could still be able to breathe without any difficulty. The plot armor was when she didn't get chewed into a feathery pulp on the way down. |
| It's bullshit that Filo survived, but I don't want her to die, so I guess it evens out. |
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Demyx_IX said: Reptiles swallow their food. Look it up.2ego said: Hmm? So, you care about them, and you even deleted them! Hahahaa that's pathetic! Heard about a thing called ACCEPTING criticism? Probably haven't... I said I won't reply to you in THAT thread, this one is a completely different matter, since the contents of the discussion differentiate. No, what's 'pathetic' is someone deciding to write something inflammatory on someone's profile, knowing full well that they had no way to respond. It's also quite cowardly to, wanting to do something like that without the fear of what their response will be. Honestly, you're lucky that I made the mistake of deleting the messages before the admins could see what you had written. Who knows if we'd even be here arguing about this, AGAIN. By the way, nothing you wrote on my profile could be considered criticism in the slightest bit. But hey, just goes to show how childish and immature you are by bringing the drama from the other thread here. Especially since I was more than willing discuss what you had written about this week's episode. inb4 you blame me for making you look like the bad guy, and not taking responsibility for your actions. Just like in the other thread's discussion. Pretty much this, I really don't understand why the dragon didn't chew up a 6 foot tall, overweight not!chocobo. |
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Janethan23 said: Reptiles swallow their food. Look it up. It's a dragon in a story, comparisons with biology are invalid. |
| Well lol. First half was okay but the dragon fight was lazy as hell. Having Filo eat her way out was super cliche and boring. Chaos shield is just dull AF. Basically an "oh shit" button main character can hit to save himself. Really boring and lazy way to write battles. Usually authors and mangaka rely on such a thing because they can't write up more interesting battle tactics and what not. 2nd half just felt really dragged out but they probably couldn't fit anything else important in. If they started the next section they would've had to end it at a really lame cliff hanger so dragging this out was probably not a bad idea. |
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Janethan23 said: I know they do, do you know what they don't do? Other than snakes, they don't swallow something whole that makes their neck/throat bulge out to nearly twice its original size. They also don't catch something that would be a tight fit in their mouth, without biting into it. LOOK IT UPDemyx_IX said: Reptiles swallow their food. Look it up.No, what's 'pathetic' is someone deciding to write something inflammatory on someone's profile, knowing full well that they had no way to respond. It's also quite cowardly to, wanting to do something like that without the fear of what their response will be. Honestly, you're lucky that I made the mistake of deleting the messages before the admins could see what you had written. Who knows if we'd even be here arguing about this, AGAIN. By the way, nothing you wrote on my profile could be considered criticism in the slightest bit. But hey, just goes to show how childish and immature you are by bringing the drama from the other thread here. Especially since I was more than willing discuss what you had written about this week's episode. inb4 you blame me for making you look like the bad guy, and not taking responsibility for your actions. Just like in the other thread's discussion. Pretty much this, I really don't understand why the dragon didn't chew up a 6 foot tall, overweight not!chocobo. I am a staunch defender of the series and it's writing, just ask SSL that, but that shit? That shit was stupid as fuck. At least with the LN I could picture the dragon with a huge ass mouth/neck |
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| Dang, this episodes are always a treat to watch, sadly the progression is kinda slow, it seems this series is going at a larger scale. |
Codi_Lee said: Is no one worried about the title of the next episode, "Melty"? Hate that bitch. That will be an introduction story but she did not including during the second wave |
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Kougeru said: Well lol. First half was okay but the dragon fight was lazy as hell. Having Filo eat her way out was super cliche and boring. Chaos shield is just dull AF. Basically an "oh shit" button main character can hit to save himself. Really boring and lazy way to write battles. Usually authors and mangaka rely on such a thing because they can't write up more interesting battle tactics and what not. 2nd half just felt really dragged out but they probably couldn't fit anything else important in. If they started the next section they would've had to end it at a really lame cliff hanger so dragging this out was probably not a bad idea. It's not really an 'oh shit' button, as 'oh shit' buttons, don't make you go berserk and hurt even your allies. There is a risk in using it haphazardly just because he finds himself to be in a jam. |
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Dhyan_manu said: SSL443 said: The plot armor was when she didn't get chewed into a feathery pulp on the way down. Filolials are rivals of dragons you can assume they are almost equal interns of power. 1000 year old Filolials = 1000 year old dragon It's a bit of a spoiler but that how it is. That's not the point that he's making, the rivalry between dragons and filolials has nothing to do with why Filo was swallowed whole, without getting pierced by the dragon's teeth. |
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Raphtalia1 said: _MushiRock11_ said: yes that's because they cut a lot of drama in this episode, even music isn't as good as episode 4So-so episode, sadly. Last few episodes haven’t really clicked in for me and this didn’t either. Initial concept of the show was interesting, to say the least, despite its apparent flaws but it had a bit of originality to itself which now seems to be deviating to an SAO-like take. I feel like the timing of these filler-ish episodes have been awful and here’s to hoping we get back to the main plot line soon next episodes. I’m hoping the next couple or so episodes will change this impression of mine but honestly not too hopeful here. Filo’s whole fake-out death scene should’ve honestly been handled better, zooming in and playing it slower frame by frame clearly suggests that Filo should’ve at least been injured but she seemed to be unscathed at the end. Moreover, the whole fight just felt off for some reason, the curse shield kicking in just didn’t feel ‘right’ in terms of the timing and Naofumi taking control over it was a little too haphazard for my liking too. CGI Dragon wasn’t the most impressive but it was fine enough to just about do the job. I wonder why this ‘Zombie’ Dragon has not regenerated back its belly though, it clearly regenerated at the start of the battle. Some depressing display of the disease though, that was a good job there, and some nice bonding scenes between the characters too. Naofumi is as dense as ever though, lol. As manga/light novel readers have already pointed out, things do indeed feel rushed even for an anime-only, such as I. Skimming through the important bits are already hurting but it’ll really hurt even more in the long run as things get more intense. Yeah, I agree. Sloppy episode, to say the least. |
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