RavingRandy said: Tennouji said: Of course obviously on "most" cases, no straight guy can completely tolerate BL/yaoi. Why not? I don't get the logic behind this statement at all? I think it's more on ask the male community that are antagonistic towards BL/yaoi than understanding the logic behind my statement. That's why I said "most" cases. Yaoi/BL getting hated so much is already illogical at all. As for me, I'm a straight guy but I won't go far as being antagonistic on BL/yaoi. |
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Tennouji said: I think it's more on ask the male community that are antagonistic towards BL/yaoi than understanding the logic behind my statement. That's why I said "most" cases. As for me, I'm a straight guy but I won't go far as being antagonistic on BL/yaoi. Setting aside the fact that you could've worded that a lot better, I disagree with you on the "most cases" part as well. But that can also be a cultural thing as men x men relationships are pretty much accepted all around where I'm from |
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RavingRandy said: Tennouji said: I think it's more on ask the male community that are antagonistic towards BL/yaoi than understanding the logic behind my statement. That's why I said "most" cases. As for me, I'm a straight guy but I won't go far as being antagonistic on BL/yaoi. Setting aside the fact that you could've worded that a lot better, I disagree with you on the "most cases" part as well. But that can also be a cultural thing as men x men relationships are pretty much accepted all around where I'm from Yeah I know and I apologize if I can't worded it better. And I'm using popular anime forum sites and other social media sites with anime groups as my basis and I'm pretty sure yaoi/BL fans are usually treated badly because usually male anime fans are very loud when it comes to yaoi/BL stuff. But yes I could be wrong on "most" cases given your example. |
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Tennouji said: RavingRandy said: Setting aside the fact that you could've worded that a lot better, I disagree with you on the "most cases" part as well. But that can also be a cultural thing as men x men relationships are pretty much accepted all around where I'm from Yeah I know and I apologize if I can't worded it better. And I'm using popular anime forum sites and other social media sites with anime groups as my basis and I'm pretty sure yaoi/BL fans are usually treated badly because usually male anime fans are very loud when it comes to yaoi/BL stuff. But yes I could be wrong on "most" cases given your example. It's okay. Might also have something to do with the fact that the people who don't care about it won't voice their opinion on it. So pretty much only the loud mouths remain. |
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Tennouji said: I think it should be obvious. When it comes to male to female ratio of anime community, there are tons of male anime fans than women and sharing BL/yaoi on a standard anime site, pretty sure many will trigger because most of them are guys. Of course obviously on "most" cases, no straight guy can completely tolerate BL/yaoi. This is not true. Most bishounen are so feminine, that they look nothing like men at all, and many straight guys are aroused by them, whether or not they care to admit it. |
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Energetic-Nova said: 1. I said a lot of them do, never mentioned "all".Maou_heika said: Because fujos have high double standards: - A lot of them hate female characters simply for being female while they love those feminine ukes - Sexual harassment, domestic violence and rape is very romantic apparently - They only see the good in and glorify the abuser/rapist in their ship and no matter what he does it's "not abuse", a good guy or a healthy relationship is always too boring for them - Go around calling others homophobic for not showing interest in their rapist x victim or straight boy x another boy ships - All characters are gay until proven straight, all characters are gay even after proven straight it's just that the author is either homophobic or has their hands tied and forced to write "straight" stuff by some Japanese anti-gay syndicate like NHK - A lot of them claim to only like fluff but two minutes later you'll see them drooling over some rapey fan-art or maybe even drawing it themselves. - Unlike most ecchi/hentai fans, fujo usually don't think of yaoi as a fetish but rather as pro-LGBT badge of hornor 1. I like plenty of female characters and I am pretty deep in a fujo corner. 2. I have seen that across all anime romance not just shonen ai or yaoi. 3. If you go to a manga centric page where anyone can tag, rape, abuse, prostitution are always tagged. Even drunk intercourse, even student teacher relationships and even a simple age gap and shota warning. Healthy relationships are boring in media. See: oremonogatari. It is just not an interesting story when there is virtually no conflict. 4. Hmmm I mean sometimes when it is super obvious, I can’t help but feel they are homophobic. Yuri on Ice people denying anything went on come to mind straight until proven otherwise. And no amount of evidence helps. Or words from the creator. 5. Rapey looking fanart is not rape. It is a SM kink thing. It isn’t even proper rape fantasy until rape. What it is is a fetishized dominance/submission power thing and some people like the power to be overwhelming and others like myself, enjoy seeing a power exchange or switch. Which some sensitive readers feel betrayed by and others like the surprise. Now, I have a lot of rape stuff in my list. Sometimes I get around to tagging and sometimes I don’t. Since I hang around a fujoshi Discord, fujoshi websites, and Facebook groups, I can tell you with experience, it is always young female fans under 18 who try to deny fetish. Mostly out of shame. Girls are more likely than boys to feel deep shame about their sexual thoughts. On the Discord I am on and generally with fudanshi, none would feel such shame to deny that it is a fetish. Once you accept that, it is better. 2. Maybe ecchi/hentai or shoujo-ai/yuri does but normal romance usually doesn't go as far as explicit sex scenes and/or fetishized graphic rape, shounen-ai and yaoi is completely centered around those themes, only a few handful might be different. 3. Well, good for you, I hate watching abusive relationships and that's my major problem with fujos, they just have to butt in and call names for any character that seems like a hindrance to their ship. Also just because you like it doesn't justify their wrong deeds. Sweet and innocent relationships are more to my liking. 4. I was referring to when the relation is completely one-sided and one of them claims to be straight till the very end with the other one being problematic (forceful/abusive) or when the relationship itself is non-existent or never intended by the author. I though that Yuri on Ice was pretty straightforward(?) 5. I was talking about double standards, if you like it then just accept it instead of lying to everyone. I hate it when someone tells me that they share the same opinion as me and the next thing I know is that they like the exact that they said they can't stand. It has happened many times with me. Um... so to hide their shame they go around calling others homophobic while squealing over their problematic ships, worst yet even trying to force down their ships as canon onto others? And as I said in a previous post, I find hentai fans easier and less shaming. Unlike your post which does seek to shame people out of having a fetish, hentai fans are pretty inviting to their dark corner of the fandom I'm simply doing what the fujos do, a.k.a. being vocal about my thoughts. I've been around fujos for long enough, specially on fb groups and they start barking like wild dogs the moment they see two boys they don't ship standing anywhere near each other. Anything is acceptable as long as it's something they ship and the exact same thing becomes a taboo (including the word "gay" itself) when it comes to another character. |
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AdolChri said: RavingRandy said: No and just because another group does it doesn't mean it's suddenly morally sound also, Ad hominem: This is an attack on the character of a person rather than his or her opinions or arguments. It means a lot, no one has issues with shipping in Boruto or Digimon, and you don't see people who ship Sakura and Syaoran getting called pedophiles. But if two people do the same for, I don't know, Killua and Gon? OMG THOSE DIRTY FUJO SEXUALIZING CHILDREN THEY MUST BE PEDOS. AdolChri said: Having a fetish is fine, fucking pretty much everyone does, but to bend the rules of logic and get this offended just because people question the morality of SOME PARTS of it is fucking ridiculous and sad. Except they don't question the morality of it, they apply ridiculous double standards and call it disgusting most of the time. We live in a world in which Yuri on Ice triggers more people than 10 years old little girls making out in Prima Illya. Sorry, but I'm going to point out the anime community is very angry at women and women oriented products, and not at those who are aimed at themselves who feature even worse things. Just the existence of these things is enough to trigger and make them angry, and they don't even watch it. You are literally replying to straw men you make up in your own mind and not to my comment. I'd find it funny if it wasn't so fucking sad. |
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| A lot of them are irritating as hell to talk to if you're a gay man, or hell, even a gay woman. They treat people's relationships like shipping/think shipping means they support lgbt, generally think the rape shit in yaoi is hot (which I mean, get off how you get off but don't scream it from the rooftops), and generally think gay women are gross and whine like bitches when a lesbian interacts with them because they somehow think I want to bang everything with a vagene. |
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AdolChri said: Selectively hating based on your likes is definitely much better than hating all of them like a lot of fujos do. I've seen fujos themselves say how much they hate female characters and many times when I've asked them for a reason they reply I've got is that: there's nothing wrong with the character but they don't like female characters in general or have high unrealistic expectations of female characters always being as strong, never showing even the slightest of their weakness. But a feminine uke who doesn't even fight back the seme raping him is perfectly fine? Maou_heika said: Because fujos have high double standards: - A lot of them hate female characters simply for being female while they love those feminine ukes As opposed to straight dudes who hate other female characters for getting in the way of their OTP, other male characters for not being their-self insert, other male characters because they are the gay option. Also the whole "fujoshi hate female characters" is a false myth. - Sexual harassment, domestic violence and rape is very romantic apparently Which is also featured in straight porn. Tsundere who hit the MC are very popular, and so are Yandere. - They only see the good in and glorify the abuser/rapist in their ship and no matter what he does it's "not abuse", a good guy or a healthy relationship is always too boring for them Are you talking about shoujo or BL now? - Go around calling others homophobic for not showing interest in their rapist x victim or straight boy x another boy ships The only people who get called homophobic are the one that rant about how disgusting gay pairings and gay people are. - All characters are gay until proven straight, all characters are gay even after proven straight it's just that the author is either homophobic or has their hands tied and forced to write "straight" stuff by some Japanese anti-gay syndicate like NHK lol, as oppose to the clearly gay characters "that are not gay but it's just bait, we swear"? - A lot of them claim to only like fluff but two minutes later you'll see them drooling over some rapey fan-art or maybe even drawing it themselves. That's no one business and not a problem at all. Guess what, people who like K-On also look for porn of it. Unlike most ecchi/hentai fans, fujo usually don't think of yaoi as a fetish but rather as pro-LGBT badge of hornor What kind of retarded comparison is this? Ecchi/hentai is "normal", no one cares that straight otaku like ecchi. tl;dr people have issues with gay porn but not exhentai porn about little sister incest rape. That's healthy and acceptable. But I have issues with both of them. I wouldn't consider either of them healthy or acceptable, both revolve around fetishized rape and sex. |
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RavingRandy said: You are literally replying to straw men you make up in your own mind and not to my comment. I'd find it funny if it wasn't so fucking sad. What strawmen? The question is "Why people hate fujo". You can ignore the issue or drop the holier than thou attitude. Maou_heika said: ]Selectively hating based on your likes is definitely much better than hating all of them like a lot of fujos do. What does it even mean? And people who hate BL/Fujo stuff are the very definition of "hating all of them", they are BL/Fujo series on the very principle no matter how good it may be. People still cry when they hear free name. And I'll repeat this over and over: Most_Fujoshi_don't_hate_straight_couples_or_characters_on_principle. I've seen fujos themselves say how much they hate female characters and many times when I've asked them for a reason they reply I've got is that: there's nothing wrong with the character but they don't like female characters in general or have high unrealistic expectations of female characters always being as strong, never showing even the slightest of their weakness. I've seen otaku themselves say how much they hate male characters and many times when I've asked them for a reason they reply I've got is that: there's nothing wrong with the character but they don't like male characters in general or have high unrealistic expectations of male characters always being as strong, never showing even the slightest of their weakness. Boooh boooh, someone never read Yuri fans or cute girls doing cute things fans comments on male characters. But a feminine uke who doesn't even fight back the seme raping him is perfectly fine? If it's a porn doujin, who gives a shit? It's a loli orgasming while she gets raped by dozen of men fine? I don't know, but it's a very popular tag on exhentai and you don't see many threads dedicated on hating straight otaku just because they fap to rape porn.  Meanwhile...  Omg, those sick women fapping to rape fantasy. Jesus Christ, the world hypocrite doesn't even begin to describe people like you. I'm taking about the one where get right down to having sex (with or without consent) right from the beginning of course! It was a joke. Shoujo are infamous for the "bad boyfriend" trope, but straight girls who like it don't get the same reputation as fujoshi. Who gives a shit about porn doujin? Tags exist for a reason. Just like I can type -trap I'm sure you can type -rape the next time you browse exhentai. Yaoi isn't even all that rape. I've been called homophobic many times for not wanting to ship straight MC x gay guy. Sometimes not watching animated gay porn itself gives you the title of "homophobic" Oh no, does it feel to be generalized on? Ironically, you are doing the same thing to women who enjoy BL, wops. I think the definition of gay needs to be clarified here. Does having a conversation with another boy count as "clearly gay"? Does the MC mentioning over and over again that he's straight count as clearly gay? The definition is characters who show clear interest in the same sex (Shinji, CCS characters, Yui on Ice) and people who go through all mental hops to deny that the anime that they have watching has teh gay. Jesus Christ, even when they kiss on screen (No.6) people still deny it. I don't get what you are tying to say. So ecchi/hentai is normal so it counts as fetish but watching gay hentai is being pro-LGBT? It isn't, just like straight dudes watch lesbian and they can be homophobia. But you can enjoy BL romance and support LGBT rights, why not? But I have issues with both of them. I wouldn't consider either of them healthy or acceptable, both revolve around fetishized rape and sex. So if everyone is bad, no one is bad? Stop browsing porn sites, who cares. |
Maou_heika said: Because fujos have high double standards: - A lot of them hate female characters simply for being female while they love those feminine ukes <b>Not every fujoshi is that way I like variety when it comes to the characters</b> - Sexual harassment,]domestic violence and rape is very romantic apparently <b>No to me it is not romantic at all do not generalize all fujoshi into one type I like all of my romance of any kind to be consensual.</b> - They only see the good in and glorify the abuser/rapist in their ship and no matter what he does it's "not abuse", a good guy or a healthy relationship is always too boring for them <b>Yet another bit of generalization I like healthy relationships</b> - Go around calling others homophobic for not showing interest in their rapist x victim or straight boy x another boy ships <b>I have never done that in my life so quit with your generalizations of all fujoshi are this or that way.</b> - All characters are gay until proven straight, all characters are gay even after proven straight it's just that the author is either homophobic or has their hands tied and forced to write "straight" stuff by some Japanese anti-gay syndicate like NHK <b>This is even stupider than the rest of your statements to me characters are there to like or to ship with any other character you want regardless of the gender of said other character.</b> - A lot of them claim to only like fluff but two minutes later you'll see them drooling over some rapey fan-art or maybe even drawing it themselves. <b>I like fluff more than anything else so am much as I like smut I like fluffy stuff as well so you think certain fujoshi lie when they say they like fluff I would say your generalizations are showing.</b> - Unlike most ecchi/hentai fans, fujo usually don't think of yaoi as a fetish but rather as pro-LGBT badge of honor <b>To me it is only a demographic of anime or manga that is now mostly called just BL now I could care less about LGBT related stuff they don't affect me so I don't care.</b> |
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AdolChri said: Isn't hating a genre different than hating a gender, genres are easy to avoid but most anime would have at least a single character of both genders.What does it even mean? And people who hate BL/Fujo stuff are the very definition of "hating all of them", they are BL/Fujo series on the very principle no matter how good it may be. People still cry when they hear free name. And I'll repeat this over and over: Most_Fujoshi_don't_hate_straight_couples_or_characters_on_principle. I've seen otaku themselves say how much they hate male characters and many times when I've asked them for a reason they reply I've got is that: there's nothing wrong with the character but they don't like male characters in general or have high unrealistic expectations of male characters always being as strong, never showing even the slightest of their weakness. I've actually never read those. Boooh boooh, someone never read Yuri fans or cute girls doing cute things fans comments on male characters. If it's a porn doujin, who gives a shit? It's a loli orgasming while she gets raped by dozen of men fine? I don't know, but it's a very popular tag on exhentai and you don't see many threads dedicated on hating straight otaku just because they fap to rape porn. Did I ever say that loli porn is any better? Does gay rape porn being less in number make it any better than other rape porn?Meanwhile... Omg, those sick women fapping to rape fantasy. Jesus Christ, the world hypocrite doesn't even begin to describe people like you. It was a joke. Shoujo are infamous for the "bad boyfriend" trope, but straight girls who like it don't get the same reputation as fujoshi. Because it usually doesn't involve graphic sex and rape? Yaoi is better off being compared to hentai and not shoujo.Who gives a shit about porn doujin? Tags exist for a reason. Just like I can type -trap I'm sure you can type -rape the next time you browse exhentai. Yaoi isn't even all that rape. I've never even been to that site and don't even want to. I don't even care about doujinshis.Oh no, does it feel to be generalized on? Ironically, you are doing the same thing to women who enjoy BL, wops. They did it first. You think I'd go out of my way to search for fujos to get into an argument with them? That's the main reason I don't complain about yuri or ecchi fans, it's because I've never had any direct interactions with them regarding those topics, I'm not saying that they are right or better, simply that I don't know them nor the content of what they like. The definition is characters who show clear interest in the same sex (Shinji, CCS characters, Yui on Ice) and people who go through all mental hops to deny that the anime that they have watching has teh gay. Jesus Christ, even when they kiss on screen (No.6) people still deny it. It's fujo's concept of "clear" interest that's not clear to me since I see fujos claiming about a lot of characters being "clearly" gay to some of which I don't agree with. Those examples do make sense though.It isn't, just like straight dudes watch lesbian and they can be homophobia. But you can enjoy BL romance and support LGBT rights, why not? I wasn't referring to gay rights in the real world but rather fujos justifying their abusive and problematic ships under the guise of pro-LGBT.So if everyone is bad, no one is bad? Stop browsing porn sites, who cares. I don't even visit any porn sites, I hate seeing anything that depicts sex in general. I'll mention this again, I never went out of my way to see any of the rapey BL, it's the fujos who constantly keep on putting it in my face. I've even been avoiding googling anything about series where I hate ships made up by fujos because the dirty fan-art pops up in the search results.To put it in simple words, I literally don't care if fujos love watching and reading about rape but they bother me when they bring those rapey fantasies of theirs outside BL and apply it to other characters and want others to like their ships and admit that it's canon. I hate seeing my favorite male characters being portrayed as some sort of deranged lustful jerks who are only interested in having sex with someone. I hate those sort of characters and I'm not going out of my way to specifically search for those things. It's most probably because of the sort of anime I like that I end up meeting fujos rather than hentai or yuri fans. |
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dgraymanfan said: I have used the words "most" and "usually" because I AM generalizing. Fujos who are loud about being fujos "usually" do like those things.Maou_heika said: Because fujos have high double standards: - A lot of them hate female characters simply for being female while they love those feminine ukes <b>Not every fujoshi is that way I like variety when it comes to the characters</b> - Sexual harassment,]domestic violence and rape is very romantic apparently <b>No to me it is not romantic at all do not generalize all fujoshi into one type I like all of my romance of any kind to be consensual.</b> - They only see the good in and glorify the abuser/rapist in their ship and no matter what he does it's "not abuse", a good guy or a healthy relationship is always too boring for them <b>Yet another bit of generalization I like healthy relationships</b> - Go around calling others homophobic for not showing interest in their rapist x victim or straight boy x another boy ships <b>I have never done that in my life so quit with your generalizations of all fujoshi are this or that way.</b> - All characters are gay until proven straight, all characters are gay even after proven straight it's just that the author is either homophobic or has their hands tied and forced to write "straight" stuff by some Japanese anti-gay syndicate like NHK <b>This is even stupider than the rest of your statements to me characters are there to like or to ship with any other character you want regardless of the gender of said other character.</b> - A lot of them claim to only like fluff but two minutes later you'll see them drooling over some rapey fan-art or maybe even drawing it themselves. <b>I like fluff more than anything else so am much as I like smut I like fluffy stuff as well so you think certain fujoshi lie when they say they like fluff I would say your generalizations are showing.</b> - Unlike most ecchi/hentai fans, fujo usually don't think of yaoi as a fetish but rather as pro-LGBT badge of honor <b>To me it is only a demographic of anime or manga that is now mostly called just BL now I could care less about LGBT related stuff they don't affect me so I don't care.</b> |
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| I'm a teenage girl who knows people in my life who consider themselves fujoshis, and know someone who bitches about them a lot. There are really two types, those who hide in the closet and those who talk about it. The ones who talk about it, tend to be able to be more vocal. By talking about it a lot, it's basically girls talking about porn, and in my experience it's not something girls do, generally. (But, seriously, what's up with that? Why are guys allowed to talk about their d**** and sex life and porn in public while girls can't talk about yaoi and shounen-ai without being considered strange?) Due to the majority of anime viewers being male, they may, as a result, view this as abnormal behaviour and thereby dislike it. Such as in the case of someone I know IRL. (His common complaints being that it's unnatural for girls to be interested in sex (it isn't), that sexualisation of males is odd (despite sexualisation of women in both eastern and western media) and that he can't see what satisfaction comes from watching/reading yaoi (biggest joke here is that I know he watches ecchi anime)) So, to summarise, in my experience fujoshis are disliked due to how women are perceived to relate to sexual matters. |
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| Well, I'm pretty sure the biggest reason is how they like to go around and force their headcanon on people even in shows that are either just compeltely devoid of any sexuality or romance, or obviously scared to commit to anything gay beyond baiting. It happened to me before, and it probably happened to most people who are active in the community at some point. You don't have to seek them out, they'll find you if they smell that you don't agree that their gay ships are canon. The whole thought process that goes into them convincing themselves of the canon-status of their ships is just often bewildering and strange and denies the existence of male friendship, which is something that I find pretty obnoxious because that's one of my favorite things in storytelling: friendship. Either they are delusional or they've never met a male before, gay or straight, to jump to their conclusions, because 95% of the time they are completely irrational with their ships and ignore the reality of the situation. Which leads me to the next point, if I was gay I'd be so offended by Yaoi and its stereotypical fetishization, yet fujos often think of themselves as LGBT warriors of some sorts, which is just hilarious. That's like saying yuri-fans fapping to 14yos making out with each other in anime care about LGBT issues. No, I actually dislike Yaoi because I'm interested in LGBT topics and seeing them handled well, and Yaoi is the opposite of that, it's exploiting them as a sexual fetish, reducing them to lust-driven stereotypes and not taking them seriously as people at all. Which is fine, since it's porn, but then please treat it that way. You're not gonna see me say I'm fapping to lolis because I care about children's rights, but somehow for fujos that ridiculous kind of 'I fap to it because I care' argumentation is accepted. I know there's a lot of unjustified hate out there by people who are just homophobic, but there's also a fair amount of obnoxious fujos out there that I met over the years. I'd say that a fujo at her worst, is probably the most exhausting kind of anime fan to deal with it, because of how experienced they are at twisting the facts to fit their perception or what they want to see. They can do with all of their gay ships in non-gay shows, so they can also do it in arguments. So yeah, sure, a lot of them are nice too and have some kind of self-awareness about it as a fetish and a fantasy and it not being canon and they can have fun with it and don't take it that seriously and those can be some of the nicest people out there, including my best friend on MAL. But when they go bad, they go really bad and at their worst are probably worse than any other type of fan, at least to me. Sure, ecchi fans can get annoying too, or some others, but they won't rewrite whole shows and then fuck you up if you dare to bring up the possibility that the two males talking to each other frequently in that show might just be a nice friendship rather than a prelude to steamy rape-sex. |
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Maou_heika said: Because fujos have high double standards: - A lot of them hate female characters simply for being female while they love those feminine ukes - Sexual harassment, domestic violence and rape is very romantic apparently - They only see the good in and glorify the abuser/rapist in their ship and no matter what he does it's "not abuse", a good guy or a healthy relationship is always too boring for them - Go around calling others homophobic for not showing interest in their rapist x victim or straight boy x another boy ships - All characters are gay until proven straight, all characters are gay even after proven straight it's just that the author is either homophobic or has their hands tied and forced to write "straight" stuff by some Japanese anti-gay syndicate like NHK - A lot of them claim to only like fluff but two minutes later you'll see them drooling over some rapey fan-art or maybe even drawing it themselves. - Unlike most ecchi/hentai fans, fujo usually don't think of yaoi as a fetish but rather as pro-LGBT badge of hornor This. And the entire Tokyo Ghoul and Yuri on Ice controversy. And a few more stuff as well. |
Can you just for one minute stop lying. You were trying to make an argument that shipping underage boys is okay because people were shipping underage digimon characters AdolChri said: [quote=AdolChri message=54890434]It means a lot, no one has issues with shipping in Boruto or Digimon, and you don't see people who ship Sakura and Syaoran getting called pedophiles. But if two people do the same for, I don't know, Killua and Gon? OMG THOSE DIRTY FUJO SEXUALIZING CHILDREN THEY MUST BE PEDOS. This fucking idiotic argument only holds any water if I find the sexualisation for straight kid characters okay. Which for the record I don't. I never said that I did. You made that up. Meanwhile you choose to ignore all my arguments and you keep putting words in my mouth. grow up |
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ScarletCelestial said: I'm a teenage girl who knows people in my life who consider themselves fujoshis, and know someone who bitches about them a lot. There are really two types, those who hide in the closet and those who talk about it. The ones who talk about it, tend to be able to be more vocal. By talking about it a lot, it's basically girls talking about porn, and in my experience it's not something girls do, generally. (But, seriously, what's up with that? Why are guys allowed to talk about their d**** and sex life and porn in public while girls can't talk about yaoi and shounen-ai without being considered strange?) Did you just compare talking about your actual sexual life to talking about your weird porn fetishes in public? I dare to say those are two very different things. If I start talking about fapping to lolis in public, it's not gonna end well for me either, because that's just awkward. There's this thing called boundaries that people value... I'd never bring up the porn I fap to in random conversation with my friends, and I'd expect the same from anyone else, male or female. But the big difference I see is that when fujos talk about their porn they don't talk in a vacuum where I can just ignore it, it usually involves characters I already know, often from non-sexual or decidedly hetero shows that I care about and that's just a different situation that talking about random porn actors or whatever that you have no attachment to. I think nobody enjoys having characters they like and care about and value for their personality and interactions, to be openly reduced to fap fodder for some fetish that wasn't even being close to implied in the show. It taints the image you have of them and just shits all over their established personality. So I think rubbing that kind of stuff in people's faces is just rude no matter who you are. That's not limited to fujos, it'd also apply if someone shoved down your throat a conversation about, idk, scat doujins of K-On, but I haven't seen that happen yet, unlike with fujos.[/quote] Due to the majority of anime viewers being male, they may, as a result, view this as abnormal behaviour and thereby dislike it. Such as in the case of someone I know IRL. (His common complaints being that it's unnatural for girls to be interested in sex (it isn't), that sexualisation of males is odd (despite sexualisation of women in both eastern and western media) and that he can't see what satisfaction comes from watching/reading yaoi (biggest joke here is that I know he watches ecchi anime)) So, to summarise, in my experience fujoshis are disliked due to how women are perceived to relate to sexual matters. Well this dude seems to have some issues, but that's about as anecdotal as it gets. As far as I'm concerned, the rules are simple and independent of your gender. If you have to talk about porn in public, fine, but keep it to original stuff and not stuff that taints existing titles that are clearly of a non-sexual nature and have existing fanbases that care about their characters in a normal, non-fetishizing way. It's just annoying for anyone who cares about the actual show and not just fantasizing about rapey man-sex. I'd say the same to males too, but for some reason they seem to mostly get it and not do that kind of stuff or keep it private. It's mostly fujos who ignore boundaries like that and trample over established characters and relationships, either because they don't care or even enjoy being rude like that and shitting over the characters people care about and seeing them get annoyed by it, or because they are really convinced their random gay ships are canon-ish and don't realize the reality of the situation. And it's not surprising people in general don't enjoy that a lot. You can keep telling yourself it's just about women and sex in general, and for some backwater men that might be true, but imo that is not the problem that gives them a bad reputation, it's the fact that their porn often revolves around ruining existing characters that people are attached to. Which is very reasonable imo. |
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| And sexualizing Gon and Killua isn't obnoxious because of their age (I'm a lolicon, I don't care), but because of their clearly non-sexual nature in the show and how it shits all over their established personalities and relationship (as discussed in the post above). Because of how the idea shits all over their friendship, and the concept of friendship as a whole. That's really what triggers me personally the most about fujos, the blatant denial of male friendship to even be a real thing, the implication that they think any kind of male friendship is gay and how incredibly backwards and, yes, sexist that attitude is. Males having emotional and open friendships with each other? Hah, how gay, they showed emotions! They talked to each other about feelings! Only gay men do that, so they have to be gay! shipshipship He did something nice for him? It must be because he wants to fuck him, because males literally have no other reason for doing anything ever. Caring about your friends is such a gay thing! shipshipship That's how fujos come off to me a lot of the time. Like male teenagers in puberty, everything is gay to them. Not open-minded about gender or sexuality at all, but rather extremely backwards in their perception of masculinity and male stereotypes and even homosexuality. If I stereotyped women in a similar fashion, I'd get backlash immediately. |
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| You're telling me new things here. No nothing more special than people who don't like gay\lesbian couple in real life. Maybe it's more talked in the anime community, but I think there's no real difference in how peopel treat it. |
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| Cause they're cancerous. Didn't a bunch of Fujoshi's threaten the author of Tokyo Ghoul cause they wanted Kaneki to be gay. I haven't seen an Ecchi fan get butt hurt over something like Your lie in April cause there's no Ecchi, so the fanbase isn't even comparable. |
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| I dislike any ships that are not true to the source material. And I typically dislike any drawing that aren't high quality and/or acting out of character(though memes and stuff can be funny) or otherwise are not keeping in spirit with the series. If it's a hentai show sure go right ahead but otherwise I have to feel that it is contrary to the spirit of the series. Anything people draw as fan art can reflect on how people view characters or a series in general. I dislike yaoi because far too often I see it brought up in MHA discussion. I also wonder what the mangakas must think if they would see people doing this stuff. If they google their series it's likely this stuff is gonna come up. I've read stuff sometimes about mangakas not liking their characters anymore, like an article claiming Kubo saying he didn't like Bleach anymore. Who knows if this stuff may have been to blame? AdolChri said: I dislike all of it. None of the shows I watch are porn so I dislike any drawings depicting them as porn.tl;dr people have issues with gay porn but not exhentai porn about little sister incest rape. That's healthy and acceptable. Pullman said: Agreed 100%., but because of their clearly non-sexual nature in the show and how it shits all over their established personalities and relationship (as discussed in the post above). Because of how the idea shits all over their friendship, and the concept of friendship as a whole. That's really what triggers me personally the most about fujos, the blatant denial of male friendship to even be a real thing, the implication that they think any kind of male friendship is gay and how incredibly backwards and, yes, sexist that attitude is.. Pullman said: Well, I'm pretty sure the biggest reason is how they like to go around and force their headcanon on people even in shows that are either just compeltely devoid of any sexuality or romance I strongly agree. |
| Feel like the biggest problem of this threat is generalizing, and I mean in both ways. Either saying all BL fans (rather use that term, tbh) are trash or trying to defend the whole bunch. Even if I do enjoy reading some Boyslove stories from time to time and have a few non-canon ships that I like, I can understand why people are fed up with some fandoms. Having ships thrown in your face 24/7 everywhere is annoying, especially more so if a canon ship already exists. However, I find it stupid to say that gay uncanon ships annoy you (whether it be boyslove or girlslove), but it doesn't bother you a bit if it's a straight ship that hasn't even been hinted. And if you're actively seeking it out yourself just to bitch, then that's pretty stupid, too. The whole "all boyslove fans are crazy straight girls thirsting after 2D chars making out and hating on all female characters" is also definitely not true for all the fans out there. I joined a server for a uncanon BL ship not too long ago and so many of those girls watch and read yuri as well. And, low and behold, there was a TON of lesbians in there, shipping those characters and creating some fanworks for the ship. Despite it being two guys. Some gay guys were members as well, two straight and two trans dudes. And like 3 ace people? So quite the mix for it being a relatively small server with less than 50 ppl. But as I said earlier, some fans are too much and I find that even worse since it only supports the hate for everyone who enjoys some of those works. Compared to most other fans, I haven't read too many BL manga yet and that's because I am not a fan of most tropes and I prefer fluffy stories. It does have its routes in shoujo after all, somehow drifted very far away from it. Also, I tend to stick to fanfics since I prefer reading words and can search by tags to avoid stuff as rape and whatnot there is. I just really find it sad to generalize all fans, no matter the genre. Not all Ecchi fans are only perverted, sex-crazed idiots who only think about boobs all day, not all yuri fans are lolicons and not all BL fans are annoyingly loud and obnoxious fujoshi that would kill for their ship, throw it in everyones faces and fight for it till death. Every genre has cancerous people and it always throws shade on the rest that just want to read and watch stuff in peace. |
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Scavendgarr said: Welp, i like oppai loli so cannot treat fujoshi or fudanshi badly, But still, why boku no pico is so infamous? Isn't it about cute boy and ikemen do something fujoshi and fudanshi like? And lot of them like to make a doujin based on the series they like and make a gay pairing in it, why not just make their original story? I don't understand Boku no pico is basically gay child porn. I don’t know why it’s so infamous considering there’s so much loli shit out there. |
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| I guess personally speaking the reason why I don't tolerate them is because most (If not all) of them that I've met in irl gatherings have this "lol I'm so random" attitude about them that drives me insane. There is also the matter of the conversations that I've (tried) to hold with them which always end up with them gawking about their favorite ships and what not. Honestly I've learned to ignore them and let them be rather than indulge them just like with other branches of the comunity. |
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| The majority isn't, though. Feels like you got weirdly offended and wanted to rant. |
| I'm pretty sure most people don't have a problem with the concept of fujoshi/fudanshi itself. Like, they don't actually care if you are one or not. What they have a problem with, is when you try and push your ships onto them, even when those ships make no sense, and will never happen. Like ever yaoi ship in a popular shounen series. That's the case for me at least. |
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| Personally as someone who is into gay media and into shipping and what not. Which always gets mixed up into the "fujo" label. I don't appreciate being called that term and honestly I don't think anyone should. It has bad connotations wrapped around it and yes while I agree with you, I don't think all people under that umbrella are bad or aggressive, the label is basically used to define you as someone who only cares about relationships between two men or only for that reason and it's just not really....good. |
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| They're obnoxious. Shippers in general are obnoxious, but it's almost like these people go out of their way to let their tastes define their identity. "I'm a fujoshi but only if I tell the world how much I want Sasuke and Naruto to kiss". Also, ecchi fans are equally obnoxious. You all suck. |
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| I don't know, I have friends in real life that are fujoshis and acquaintances that like ecchi/fanservice/etc. and I definitely prefer the latter. The fujoshis I know take things to another level, shipping random guys and yelling over kissing in BL manga or something. And they seem to have a problem with people that don't agree with their gay couples and get angry easily when their gay ship isn't canon. Of course, the same problem presents with shippers of straight ships but with the fujoshis and fudanshis it just seems worse, maybe because being gay is not as common as being straight, so it's like they're trying to force it onto people with their claims that characters are gay. |
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Because it's totally acceptable to demonize an entire group of women based on their extremists, and yet, when we women call men shit heads (based on their extreme versions), we're suddenly man hating lesbians. Since OP is not a troll, this article will help her understand how entitled incels cannot accept anything that is not catered specifically to their needs. That, and ofc, selective homophobia (lesbians are good but gay dudes are disgusting): https://www.bateszi.me/2013/04/26/u-mad-bro-fujoshis-swimming-anime-and-kyoto-animation/ |
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