Food Wars is suffering from the Escalation problem, and the SAO problem, yet it's still this highly rated?
| I don't understand this. This season has GOT to be the WORST season of Food Wars by a fucking long shot. Not only is the plot for this season more cliche than Sword Art Online was in its entirety of its first season, but it shares the same broken internal logic that it had, and tries to cover it up with absurd humor that ruins the experience tenfold. It's suffering from the Escalation problem, the same problem that all shounen have to face after coming out of a huge tournament ark, but unlike My Hero Academia, it looks like Shokugeki didn't know where else to go. This new villain drastically raises the stakes so fucking high, that I lost all suspension of disbelief in mere moments of his introduction, began to despise Erina tenfold in comparison, and lost faith in Soma for being any sort of believable character and not just some Deus ex Machina for the plot. Of course, the cliche plot can be overlooked by good execution... BUT THE EXECUTION IS FUCKING TERRIBLE! (I sincerely apologize for my abundance of cursing) But it is. I understand that the pacing "works better in manga format", but the retards at J.C. Staff turned the already fast pacing up to 11, letting all the comedy crash into the moments of tension and explode faster than Uchiage Hanabi crashed in the box office. They not only sped up the scenes and dialogue, but there's always some kind of soundtrack playing in the background, and the song feels like it changes EVERY 30 SECONDS TO A MINUTE. Needless to say, IT'S FUCKING ANNOYING. Just to be clear, I understand comedy is subjective. For example, a show with polarizing opinions to its comedy airing right now is March comes in like a Lion. I can understand why there are diverging opinions on how that show handles comedy, because the whiplash effect created by Rei's depression taking the spotlight then it transitioning to the lighthearted comedy moments can be jarring for those who can't relate with his mental state. I don't necessarily agree, but I do understand why it would be considered an issue for most, BUT FOOD WARS IS JUST RUINING EVERYTHING IT SETS OUT TO DO WITH ITS COMEDY. Every single time it tries to create tension it is bombarded with chibi art ripped straight from the manga, even when the music is trying to make my adrenaline pump. It contradicts itself, unlike March comes in like a Lion, and there's nothing anyone can relate to for consistency. At least for those who hate the comedy in March, they at least acknowledge that the dark elements are fascinating in its own right, but in Shokugeki's case, if one hates the comedy, there's really nothing else to like. Let's just see Soma stick it to the man! That'll get fans HYPED! *rolls eyes* Back on topic. So not only is the production incompetent from an editing standpoint, but the animation looks like a powerpoint presentation that was ripped straight from the manga. The art is riddled with derps, and the camera has a bad habit of sliding across the frame to try to distract from it. You know what anime has the same exact problem? I'll give you a moment to think about it, unlike Food Wars... The answer is: Berserk 2016 and 17, and the original 90s anime also looked like a powerpoint. Also, the exposition is fucking atrocious, even if I was trying to take notes on what the fuck the characters are cooking, between all the other problems the series has, I can't breathe long enough for me to comprehend what the show is trying to get at, both in terms of the on-screen Shoukugeki's and what the story is even trying to say at a conceptual level. I hope my point that this season is insulting mine and everyone else's intelligence on so many levels is getting through to everyone here, because it is really aggravating me. Who knows? Maybe I've just overlooked this problem from the beginning of the anime and only now am I starting to notice it and bitch about it. Did someone say bitch? Yeah, Erina was a bitch in the first and second season, now she is a fucking stupid and weak damsel in distress that leaves me severely disappointed for she is supposed to be the MAIN FEMALE CHARACTER. What is she Asuna??!! Megumi should have been the main love interest, instead of a tsundere with a god complex, for whom is also unreachable in terms of plot and has no logic to back up this stupid "ability" if you can even call it that. The whole point of Soma's and Erina's relationship was that Soma was supposed to reach Erina with his cooking, BUT HE ALREADY HAS since the first episode, so it defeats the point. Instead of just sharing a mutual growth and love with Megumi as time progressed. You know what this means? Shokugeki has been doing nothing but chewing the fat this entire time, and now it has finally backfired. It's the Masamune-kun problem! Someone call Digibro-senpai, for he will be proud of me! Jokes aside, I hope I am not the only who sees how retarded this season is. I feel passionate about this because Food Wars was a favorite of mine until this latest season. I don't remember this being a problem earlier on in the story, but I certainly know its a problem now, and I don't approve of it being the third highest rated show if the season. That's simply preposterous. This season, to me, is just a half-baked, half-assed, and uninspired mess of a dish, and I feel ashamed that I expected more. |
Draconix814Dec 22, 2017 8:11 PM
mileenx said: wow i agree. especially about the animation, its gotten considerably lazier and that was one of the things the show did best in seasons 1 and 2 I know right, I remember marvelling at some of the food porn moments thanks to how absurdly great it was animated. This time around, it just feels like the animators bet everything on the fact that he or she gets naked in the process of foodgasming with no creativity whatsoever. If anything, I think Food Wars is distracting itself at this point, so it should just drop the foodgasms until the end, but I know that wouldn't happen whatsoever. |
Frostbytes said: I actually thought anime reception was quite good compared to the manga(where people can actually realize the plot armour and asspull) so good to see someone actually called out Azami bullshit, although not sure if I agree with some other points. The Azami arc is mainly the reason of sns downfall, imo(and it's quite visible in sales and reception too). Interesting, and thanks, you reminded me that I forgot to talk about how the entire Elite Ten is retarded, and how they're all predictable and poorly characterized, next to Azami. I hate everybody in this ark right now, it's not even funny... |
| DISCLAIMER: Anything positive I seem to say is actually sarcasm. You've been warned. Before anyone calls me out on it, I forgot to explain that Azami is the most stereotypical villain character ever. I mean, disregarding the laziness of his design, what is even up with that backstory? He brainwashed Erina to enjoy his tastes... Does anyone else realize how retarded and plain unrealistic that is? He couldn't have just educated her slowly on the refinement of quality cuisine, he had to brainwash her. Erina got tormented because she didn't throw out a meal, and then, all of a sudden, now she has a god complex and is paradoxically dependent on her father... Which doesn't even make sense, because she didn't even mention him in the entirety of the anime. Azami overthrowing Grandpa Director-sama was the laziest asspull I've seen this year. It shouldn't be that easy for the Elite Ten to do a coup de tat against the FUCKING DIRECTOR OF THE SCHOOL. I don't care how much power the Elite Ten is supposed to have, but overthrowing the very man that owns the school is so unrealistic IT HURTS. I never understood why student councils in anime were given more power than the teachers, but at least most shows had the decency to hardly include teachers or mentors in the narrative in the first place. Furthermore, HOW DID HE EVEN PERSUADE THEM TO DO IT?!?!!? I doubt a goody-two-shoes like Tsukasa would agree, and I don't see any motives that anyone else would agree either, but I expect that to be explained to some capacity, even if it doesn't make sense. Also, the Elite Ten are fucking retarded. Even before Azami fucked everything up, I couldn't understand the motivations of those fuckers, and I couldn't get invested in the mystery of those motivations either. Tsukasa is basically characterized as amazingly good at cooking, but not at all confident in his cooking. It would make sense on a practical level, but NOT when it defines his entire personality. I guess he's also bad at paperwork. The red-haired chick for whom's name I had to look up, Rindo, has motivations that are confusing as hell, if she even has any. One moment, she's cheering on Soma's "fighting spirit", the next, she's reluctant to do the villain's bidding, the moment after that she's more than willing to pummel the clubs that are showing their spirit and are trying to be free from the tyranny of CENTRAL. Did someone say contradictory? Because she is that. Usually, contradictions in their thought process can add to the believability of the character, but her contradictions are so paradoxical, that her personality nearly flips on its head when they do occur. They aren't subtle whatsoever, and they have even less meaning to it. Next, we have loli chick, for whom's name I'm not going to look up because I couldn't care less about her. She is just supposed to be cute, but I guess she also hates people because STRANGER DANGER! There's also the new fuckers that just got introduced that have no notable personality. There's Kuga-senpai, but he got shafted the moment he got actual characterization, thanks to the fact he only had one purpose in the plot anyway. There's that asshole Eizan who's just an asshole, no matter how great a voice actor Sugita Tomokazu is at portraying him. I already got into what a fucking mess of a character Erina is... Then there are what? 5 other top 10 members? The only other one of note is Isshiki, but even his character got shafted because he believed that Soma would save their precious dorm. I guess he also tried his best to sabotage CENTRAL from the inside, but this only shows the one purpose he has in this ark. AND WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THIS "CENTRAL" BULLSHIT?!?!!? What is it supposed to be the CIA???? This is retarded even without considering the fact that it would be impossible to implement this new system in the time Azami did AND shut down every single club and DORMITORY by fucking force. To add insult to injury, these orders can be disregarded if the students win a Shokugeki, which doesn't make sense. If these were orders from the school, then no matter how much the students bitch about it, they shouldn't be able to rebel. Why didn't Azami just ban all Shokugekis??? MAYBE BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE A SHOW TO WATCH!!! This is bad. Really fucking bad. However, by far the BIGGEST PLOT HOLE IN THIS ANIME IS: If the school is now being run by tyrants that are restricting your freedom and hindering your education in learning how to cook... WHY NOT JUST DROP OUT AND GO TO ANOTHER SCHOOL? Better yet, just go to normal high school, and learn how to cook on the side. I think everybody forgets that these kids went straight in from Middle School and still haven't attended High School yet, but for what reason? So they can be 3 years behind in their education when they eventually do have to transfer back into the school system? I am starting to think that this entire show was retarded from the beginning, but it doesn't explain why I gave it a 9/10 when I watched the first season. Maybe I should reevaluate my score sometime in the future. Also, this season's method of adding characterization seems to be shoving flashbacks into our faces of scenes of the characters acting uncharacteristically for no reason, getting put down, then it somehow "develops" them into the present. Take Ryou for example, neither his personality nor his character changed whatsoever, but of course, we need a flashback of him being put down because he didn't win the Autumn Elections, and now he learned how to cook spices! Just because it wasn't his specialty beforehand, doesn't mean he couldn't learn how to cook spices from a textbook, but the show tries to pass this on as development. It would have been downright expected of him to do so, its just his personality and any other cook would do the same. Why this show INSISTS on trying to make that a huge development in his character is not only beyond me, but it just comes across as cheesy and melodramatic as a result. Everything in this season is fucking predictable. I know we all know Soma is always going to win, except in those rare instances, and I am not going to bash the show for that. What I am going to bash it for, is how he can even win when the judges are paid off, in the second most predictable asspull this show committed. From the very moment this scenario was set up, I thought to myself "How is Soma going to win? He couldn't just charm the judges with his amazing cooking even though they were paid off and he's up against a member of the elite ten, right?"  For EVERY single plot turn, I kept asking myself, "How did I know this was going to happen?" EVERY single Shokugeki is determined by who is underestimating who, and every other plot turn is just plain typical of shounen anime. Like Erina staying at the dormitory for example. Called that. Ryou beating annoying minion #1? Called that too. Soma beating Kuga at his own game? Called that as well, but at least it was entertaining and a bit fascinating while it lasted. If you COULD prove me wrong, that would be much appreciated, but this season is just too bad to be defended, guys. |
Draconix814Dec 9, 2017 8:24 AM
| I agree with you 100%. This season of Food Wars has been a shit-show. The "animation" is just sliding frames, the show is going 100 miles an hour that makes it super hard to keep up. Really disappointing season overall. |
SarcasticJawDec 9, 2017 12:10 PM
| Nyanpasu~ |
Exactly what I've been wondering, glas I'm not the only one. The episode from this week was the weakest thus far, with the whole shokugeki nobody cares about (boohoo, they might lose their kitchen). Some foodgasms were so awkward with those old grandpas. But I'm still watching for Souma. |
  “If you live for yourself you’ve only got yourself to blame. So I can’t really blame anyone else and I don’t have any regrets.” list |
| I feel like you're overreacting like crazy, dude. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Easy. Alternatively, "WHY NOT JUST DROP IT AND GO WATCH ANOTHER SHOW"? The reason why they stay in the school is that they want to become successful in the industry and the people running the school now didn't take just over the school, but over many companies in the industry as well. Go against them and the doors will close to you outside of school as well. It's fairly well shown in the Shiomi seminar backstory during this. So even if you have a chance to go against them by winning a shokugeki to make it seem more fair on the outside (since losers fall in line easier to lap up the brainwashing), they can still screw you up. Fall in line and you're guaranteed easy life. It's been explained quite a few times that Elite 10 > Director so I don't really get your issue. It sucks, but that's how he laid out the rules for the school to begin with. And it's not like he's just quietly taking it anyway. He expected it, he accepted it and it gave him the necessary time to plan out ...stuff. But I mean, I hated Azami too. He was a cute kid though ;( Also, Erina is not a damsel in distress and she's nothing like Asuna. No need to call her names just because you don't like her. Showing weakness and being vulnerable =/= damsel in distress. Wasshio said: I do agree that this season is kinda weak (though I prefer it way more than the second season because one of my main essential issues with the second season was that it lacked severely on the impact the series had compared to the third season, where as it does have that thing that I liked about the series still), though I don't necessarily agree entirely on the entire logic part. Though, I do agree with the Azami part being kinda BS despite me enjoying his character, and the entire background to Erina. I also HIGHLY doubt that she's going to become a damsel in distress, considering how I've heard from some people, I'm just assuming that she isn't one. I think this season only shows her weak side and I don't think its to become something rather convenient for it to scrub it off for later on. In this season she turned from one of my most hated characters in the show (she's a Himidere I get it, but the part of her gets on my nerves initially) to a character that I like so far. Not because she's a damsel in distress but because she showed weakness despite how professional she is and her title as well. It shows something more than just what she is in this show. Erinacchi definitely gets better eventually, she just needs some pushing to get there. It might not happen in this season though, depending on whether it's gonna be 1-cour or 2. 2-cour would cut into the currently unfinished ongoing arc which would make the anime worse though. They're rushing it too much already again as is. Overall, I think the worst thing about this season is how it's rushed (in the animation as well) and how disconnected it might feel since most of the stuff going on is not explained until the next arc. As usual, the anime concentrates more on the fanservice, skipping stuff. I really think it shouldn't be watched alone, but be more of taken in as a spice on top of the manga. Besides that, it's shounen. You can't really expect it to exist without the usual stuff that all shounen does. They got away with lot of bad in the S2 adaptation and they just seem to go with it now as well. |
AlwerienDec 9, 2017 1:22 PM
| Need to make new sig. Soon. Maybe. |
| @Alwerien WHY NOT JUST DROP IT AND GO WATCH ANOTHER SHOW This is what I said: I feel passionate about this because Food Wars was a favorite of mine until this latest season. The rest is your opinion and I respect that. I personally am seeing a lot of Asuna vibes in Erina's character, and that's because Erina needs to depend on everyone in order to be "saved" . Asuna also started as a confident character, but was forced into depending on Kirito to be "saved" . So much for feminism. It's been explained quite a few times that Elite 10 > Director so I don't really get your issue. It sucks, but that's how he laid out the rules for the school to begin with. And it's not like he's just quietly taking it anyway. This is what I said: Azami overthrowing Grandpa Director-sama was the laziest asspull I've seen this year. It shouldn't be that easy for the Elite Ten to do a coup de tat against the FUCKING DIRECTOR OF THE SCHOOL. I don't care how much power the Elite Ten is supposed to have, but overthrowing the very man that owns the school is so unrealistic IT HURTS. I never understood why student councils in anime were given more power than the teachers, but at least most shows had the decency to hardly include teachers or mentors in the narrative in the first place. Furthermore, HOW DID HE EVEN PERSUADE THEM TO DO IT?!?!!? I doubt a goody-two-shoes like Tsukasa would agree, and I don't see any motives that anyone else would agree either, but I expect that to be explained to some capacity, even if it doesn't make sense. In other words, it's plain unrealistic, and you shouldn't defend that aspect of the show. Still not convinced? Look up any video about how Japanese High School works in real life. The Anime Man and Gaijin Goomba did a wonderful collaboration video on that topic, and they explicitly state that student councils have no control like they do in anime. Just because it is a shounen, doesn't excuse it from plot holes and there's a limit to how far it should stretch reality before it loses its credibility. You know what I call series that bend reality to justify its own mistakes? Retarded. |
Draconix814Dec 9, 2017 1:53 PM
Draconix814 said: @Alwerien WHY NOT JUST DROP IT AND GO WATCH ANOTHER SHOW This is what I said: I feel passionate about this because Food Wars was a favorite of mine until this latest season. The rest is your opinion and I respect that. I personally am seeing a lot of Asuna vibes in Erina's character, and that's because Erina needs to depend on everyone in order to be "saved" . Asuna also started as a confident character, but was forced into depending on Kirito to be "saved" . So much for feminism. It's been explained quite a few times that Elite 10 > Director so I don't really get your issue. It sucks, but that's how he laid out the rules for the school to begin with. And it's not like he's just quietly taking it anyway. This is what I said: Azami overthrowing Grandpa Director-sama was the laziest asspull I've seen this year. It shouldn't be that easy for the Elite Ten to do a coup de tat against the FUCKING DIRECTOR OF THE SCHOOL. I don't care how much power the Elite Ten is supposed to have, but overthrowing the very man that owns the school is so unrealistic IT HURTS. I never understood why student councils in anime were given more power than the teachers, but at least most shows had the decency to hardly include teachers or mentors in the narrative in the first place. Furthermore, HOW DID HE EVEN PERSUADE THEM TO DO IT?!?!!? I doubt a goody-two-shoes like Tsukasa would agree, and I don't see any motives that anyone else would agree either, but I expect that to be explained to some capacity, even if it doesn't make sense. In other words, it's plain unrealistic, and you shouldn't defend that aspect of the show. Still not convinced? Look up any video about how Japanese High School works in real life. The Anime Man and Gaijin Goomba did a wonderful collaboration video on that topic, and they explicitly state that student councils have no control like they do in anime. Just because it is a shounen, doesn't excuse it from plot holes and there's a limit to how far it should stretch reality before it loses its credibility. You know what I call series that bend reality to justify its own mistakes? Retarded. Well, I'm not defending the Azami move and I didn't particularly like it either. It was shitty. It was messy. t was ridiculous. But I think if Senzaemon didn't want it to happen, it wouldn't have. He knew about his plan and let him do it, because in the long way it's the way to challenge it and help Erina develop and become free of his influence. I think it was stated many times that in Tootsuki it's basically Director > Elite Ten >> Lecturers >> Students. I think in a way Elite Ten doubles as a Board of directors in the SnS setting which explains the majority vote overthrowing director. Most of them have solid enough influence in the world outside of the academy too, which is not a case with student councils in most anime shows. As for how he convinced them, he didn't have to convince them all and most were probably like whatever. He spent a long time preparing the plan so he probably found things in their history to give them a reason to agree, some like Kobayashi went along cos it seems fun and some are just plain self-centered and only want to perfect themselves like Tsukasa. He's hardly a goody-two-shoes. I just don't think it's as weird as you make it to be. To begin with I don't really think Tootsuki was ever supposed to follow any kind of Japanese high school standard. It's pretty....international? But I mean, it's certainly no more weird than clothes disappearing by eating food. I have never looked at Tootsuki as something that should be equal to Japanese HS to begin with though. I mean it's supposed to be a private institution with its own rules that has its own chain of numerous inns, resorts, hotels etc etc with connections likely all over the world. Though it kind of feels like they are basically ending with normal school education to do this outside of regular education system. Not sure if at least their middle school system falls more in line. But I do agree the season is not really well made and prefer the manga. Though obviously that's not flawless either. But I read/watch this for fun and food porn, not for realism. |
AlwerienDec 9, 2017 4:17 PM
| Need to make new sig. Soon. Maybe. |
| I haven't seen last season yet, but I'm caught up with the manga and since Azami's introduction it went down hard. Student council having enough power to change THE HEADMASTER is ridiculous enough, but they did it MID-YEAR and the new guy changed curriculum and fired teachers MID-YEAR. There were stupid moments before like Shinomiya kicking out the guy for using too much shampoo but it was minor and inconsequential, but this entire bullshit is stretching out for over 100 chapters now. If only board of education or "normal" parents existed in their universe... |
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| @Alwerien I think you misunderstand why I brought up how the Japanese education system works. It's not that its supposed to adhere to the standards of other high schools, both in real life and in anime, it's that it's an entirely cultural thing. Actually, it's not even JUST culturally specific to Japan, student councils EVERYWHERE don't have that sort of power... Especially not kids under the age of fucking 15. Do you know of fifial piety? Well its basically a term in Confucian and Buddhist philosophy TO RESPECT YOUR ELDERS. This is a HUGE part of Japanese culture even if the people or institutions aren't directly religiously affiliated. Which means that these 15-year-olds have absolutely NO influence if they blatantly DISRESPECT the ones that are mentoring them, no matter how wealthy their family is, nor how great of a cook they are, if they even had any respect to begin with. Though, I would imagine something like this MIGHT fly in the United States, because there are a shit ton of retards over here that would take the kids' side just because they cry about it. But I mean, it's certainly no more weird than clothes disappearing by eating food. You do know their clothes aren't actually disappearing, right? I know you know, but this kind of establishes my next point so just go with it. ... But I read/watch this for fun and food porn, not for realism. I can agree with that sentiment. Similarly, I watch The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Bakemonogatari and Nichijou for fun. You can even add in the first 2 seasons of Shokugeki in there. I read Berserk, Grand Blue, and Girl Friends for fun also. You know what these series have over Shokugeki S3? They actually have logic to their absurdity. These series exaggerate reality to make it more entertaining (in respect to their genre), they don't try to disregard reality in order to make their half-assed ideas more entertaining. Take the most absurd of all these examples; Nichijou. If you've seen even a single clip of this anime, you know how absurd it is. But underneath all the surface level enjoyment that it offers thanks to its absurdity comes REAL messages on the meaning of everyday life (its title), loneliness, friendship and even love, for which all resonate with the audience. Haruhi Suzumiya exaggerated nearly every anime trope in existence to convey a message on escapism and existentialism (AKA "melancholy", "boredom" etc.). Bakemonogatari exaggerates nearly every other anime trope in existence to build off and convey its central theme of getting through life one step at a time. THE MOMENT a story deviates from reality to justify an unrealistic set of ideas, it fails at its job to convey concepts as a medium of entertainment. It is as valuable as a quiz that only asks vague questions, with the term "What if..." at the beginning of each. It is meaningless and it is hollow, and the questions will fade with time. The foodgasms and character's clothes disappearing served the purpose of conveying the idea that this FOOD IS DELICIOUS. What does a student council overthrowing the president of the school represent in a scenario which would make it utterly impossible to do so; in a series where the main appeal is fantasizing about delicious food we can never afford to eat ourselves? It conveys that the writer doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. |
Draconix814Dec 10, 2017 1:06 PM
Draconix814 said: However, by far the BIGGEST PLOT HOLE IN THIS ANIME IS: If the school is now being run by tyrants that are restricting your freedom and hindering your education in learning how to cook... WHY NOT JUST DROP OUT AND GO TO ANOTHER SCHOOL? Not really a plothole, since that not an option for most of them. All students want to be World Class Chefs and Totsuki is the number one place for it. If they just wanted to be normal Chefs, they could've just stayed home. Hell most of them were already great cooks before they went to Totsuki. But Totsuki is the only place where you can go the next step. Also, as Alwerien already said, Azami isn't only taking over and planning to revolutionize this school, but the whole Food/Culinary-industry through all his connections, since in the SnS World Totsuki has like the biggest influence on the whole culinary world. Also this arc is more of a build up for what's to come. I don't know if you're reading the manga, but the show will return to it's "tournament-like style" pretty soon. And yeah of course it kinda seems ridiculous since they're overhyping food and shokugeki and stuff, but hell, this is a Shounen Manga. Just get over the fact that in the SnS Word everything will be decided by Cooking-Battles, just like in Yu-Gi-Oh everything is decided by a card game or in Beyblade by some spinning tops. You just gotta live with that ridiculousness, otherwise you might as well quit watching. |
CurianDec 10, 2017 2:20 PM
 When you swim in the sea and an eel bites your knee, that's a moray! |
| @Curian Are you a gravedigger? Not really a plothole, since that not an option for most of them. All students want to be World Class Chefs and Totsuki is the number one place for it. If they just wanted to be normal Chefs, they could've just stayed home. Hell most of them were already great cooks before they went to Totsuki. But Totsuki is the only place where you can go the next step. Also, as Alwerien already said, Azami isn't only taking over and planning to revolutionize this school, but the whole Food/Culinary-industry through all his connections, since in the SnS World Totsuki has like the biggest influence on the whole culinary world. What I love about this quote is that I can actually copy and paste the same thing you replied to and that can be my reply. 1: If the school is hindering your education, then it isn't the top school around. 2: What do you mean they don't have a choice? They can quit if they want to, or they can just get expelled on purpose of no one will allow them. Its easy enough apparently for aspiring cooks to be expelled before they can gain experience cooking. 3: If they were already great cooks, then it doesn't matter if they go to the #1 prestigious school or some shit, to be great cooks. If cooking is their passion, in today's society (even over in Japan), they could pursue it quite easily. I thought I was pretty clear on what I meant about dropping out and going to another school, but it looks like you're just trying to twist my words for no apparent reason... whatever. Also this arc is more of a build up for what's to come. I don't know if you're reading the manga, but the show will return to it's "tournament-like style" pretty soon. I don't remember complaining about this part, but whatever. Wait, isn't this entire ark basically one big tournament/rebellion ark anyway? What makes you think I care about whether or not another tournament comes up? No, I am not reading the manga, if I were, I wouldn't be making this thread, now would I? Did you even read the post, you know, the one up at the top of the screen? Scroll up and you'll find it. Trust me, it's there. You just need to look hard enough, and if you have a vision problem like I do, there should be a little thingy that says "reading view" at the side of your screen. Press that button and you'll see it. Wait... if you have vision problems, then you can't see the button, can you? My bad, I'm an idiot. Just ask your mother or little sister to find and read it for you, then come back here. And yeah of course it kinda seems ridiculous since they're overhyping food and shokugeki and stuff, but hell, this is a Shounen Manga. Just get over the fact that in the SnS Word everything will be decided by Cooking-Battles, just like in Yu-Gi-Oh everything is decided by a card game or in Beyblade by some spinning tops. You just gotta live with that ridiculousness, otherwise you might as well quit watching. YAYYYYY!!!! I can reply half-assedly for this one! Here is what I said in a conversation with Alwerien, scroll up and you can see: Just because it is a shounen, doesn't excuse it from plot holes and there's a limit to how far it should stretch reality before it loses its credibility. You know what I call series that bend reality to justify its own mistakes? Retarded. Btw, I would think twice about comparing Beyblade and Yu-Gi-Oh to Shokugeki. At least I don't have many expectations for them to create fully competent narratives. It looks like you dug your own grave with this one... And you kinda dug Shokugeki's grave a bit further too. |
| Sigh....This is probably going to cause a shit storm but whatever. I read some of your points, not all because to be frank there is just too much to read. I agree with some of the things you said, such as Azami being a pretty stereotypical villain and the fact that it seems that J.C. Staff has cheaped out a bit with the food porn this season. I even agree that the show has gotten really melodramatic as of late, however, aren't you going a bit far with this? I find that the majority of the problems you have with this season are very nit-picky and personal to you. Which is fine whatever, it's your enjoyment. It's just that I never noticed half the stuff you have brought up, so it seems like you are just pissed in general towards the show and want to vent. It's a goofy cooking school battle shounen anime man, its going to have some tropes. Also, since you and everyone else here are apparently animators, can you explain to me how the animation is comparatively worse this season than the previous two? Because I haven't noticed any significant drop in animation quality, besides the aforementioned lack of detail in the food porn now. I mean, is "So not only is the production incompetent from an editing standpoint, but the animation looks like a powerpoint presentation that was ripped straight from the manga" really seem like a fair criticism that you can make? It baffles me how you claim to be a fan of the previous two seasons but you bash the heck out of this one when it really isn't doing anything fundamentally different besides having an overarching plot involving Erina's plight and a hostile school takeover. It was time for the series to mix things up and I'm glad it did. Again, I'm not trying to attack you, its just that most of your criticisms are either unfair or don't make sense and just come off as rambling. I hate to be that guy but, maybe try a different show? It doesn't seem like you are enjoying it very much, unless you just love watching things you hate. More power to ya. |
| Food war's current arc has a horrible pacing. |
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| The manga went down hill after the freshmen tourney arc. That arc was so well done, this arc is garbo. |
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Draconix814 said: 1: If the school is hindering your education, then it isn't the top school around. 2: What do you mean they don't have a choice? They can quit if they want to, or they can just get expelled on purpose of no one will allow them. Its easy enough apparently for aspiring cooks to be expelled before they can gain experience cooking. 3: If they were already great cooks, then it doesn't matter if they go to the #1 prestigious school or some shit, to be great cooks. 1. It's not hindering anyone. It's just, when you don't follow it's rules, you're out. Except when you can prove your Point by a Shokugeki. 2. If they're expelled or quit, they'll never be Top Notch Cooks, because Azami won't allow it, since he controls like the whole culinary world in Japan through Totsuki. If he tells every 5 Star Restaurant not to take anyone who isn't a Totsuki graduate, they won't take anyone. That's the Power of Totsuki/Azami in the SnS World. 3. See #2. There is a huge difference between being a good cook and being a Top Notch Cook from Totsuki. That's how they roll in the SnS World. Draconix814 said: Just because it is a shounen, doesn't excuse it from plot holes and there's a limit to how far it should stretch reality before it loses its credibility. You know what I call series that bend reality to justify its own mistakes? Retarded. It's not a plothole. It's just illogical or ridiculous from the perspective of our world, but not from the SnS World. Yea it bends reality, so do most shounen. If you find that retarded, great, stop watching it then. It doesn't get more credible. There are people that don't care about that said "credibility" and just enjoy the show for what it is. It was never meant to be something sophisticated. |
When you swim in the sea and an eel bites your knee, that's a moray! |
| @Curian *sigh* I almost pity you. It's not that you're not intelligent, its that you're not paying attention, and you're saying dumb things. By the way, let me be clear, you're both not paying attention to what I am saying, nor have you been paying attention since the beginning of the anime, if you can make these statements. Oh, and you're not paying attention to your sentence structure either. I bet you're doing this on a mobile device. I don't pity people who use mobile devices. *sigh* 1. It's not hindering anyone. It's just, when you don't follow it's rules, you're out. Except when you can prove your Point by a Shokugeki. Ok, this is where your first error lies. Azami stated when he took over that there was "injustice" in how the school system, and generally, I am inclined to agree with his sentiment at least on a minuscule level. What he refers to as the "injustice" of Totsuki was that there was "too much competition" and they can get "expelled too easily". I generally agree that both these are bad things, but you know what is even worse? No competition and getting expelled even easier. The whole point of Totsuki, which was made apparent from Episode 1, was that Totsuki is a highly competitive environment and only the ones that can withstand and overcome these obstacles have the privilege of graduating from the school and gaining access to their connections. To be honest, this would make more sense if this was a college, instead of a middle school/high school, but hey this is anime right? Shokugeki explicitly states that Azami's plan is a bad thing anyways, so I don't understand why you insist on defending the very thing the show you are trying to defend is trying to say is wrong. By the way, how does one "prove their point by Shokugeki"? I don't remember a cooking match intended for healthy competition to be an ample method for settling moral, political or rational debates between two individuals. At least not intelligent ones. 2. If they're expelled or quit, they'll never be Top Notch Cooks, because Azami won't allow it, since he controls like the whole culinary world in Japan through Totsuki. If he tells every 5 Star Restaurant not to take anyone who isn't a Totsuki graduate, they won't take anyone. That's the Power of Totsuki/Azami in the SnS World. 3. See #2. There is a huge difference between being a good cook and being a Top Notch Cook from Totsuki. That's how they roll in the SnS World. *sigh* You skipped over what I said again, You realize my 3rd point was the rest of the paragraph right...? Are you even trying to pay attention? Not to mention, how does this even prove your point? You are just digging you're own grave again, and its kinda painful :/ ... Doesn't what you said sound kind of broken to you? It's sounding a lot like Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail and SAO to me. You know what that's called? Lazy writing. Why anyone would willingly settle for lazy entertainment is beyond me. It's not a plothole. It's just illogical or ridiculous from the perspective of our world, but not from the SnS World. Whatever you say, old sport. Keep digging your grave. If you find that retarded, great, stop watching it then. It doesn't get more credible. Keep digging that grave. That grave is looking mighty fine there. I almost want to lay down in it myself, but I really don't. There are people that don't care about that said "credibility" and just enjoy the show for what it is. I enjoyed the show for what it was in its first and second season. It had an exquisite and sophisticated taste to it that made me shout "FOOD PORN!!!" and get hyped up like a little kid on Christmas Eve... Alas, that show no longer exists :( It was never meant to be something sophisticated. Then why are you defending it? |
Draconix814Dec 10, 2017 9:23 PM
| I really don't get the hate for this season. I think you guys are just overreacting. |
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| I think it’s fine, the animation and story could be better compared to the first season, but I don’t think it’s bad. The writing has been a little weird of this arc in the manga I will admit. I still like reading it because of the great artwork and I like the characters. I don’t hate Azami and this arc though, even up to recent chapters we have barely seen much of Azami, I think his role as the villain in this series still has potential. I just hope it doesn’t turn into some “please save Erina with your cooking” bullshit. |
| TL;DR It's because they got shit taste, that's the only explanation. Blame it to the "new generation" of anime watchers (2000 kids), they are the worst. |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
| Yeah I agree and I also thought the characters got boring by season 2. |
| Mhkay, I'm giving this up, you're clearly not capable of receiving any constructive criticisim, easy way getting out by just saying no one's paying attention and all this crap. Ain't nobody got time for arguing over this. Most Parts of your posts are not really objective criticism but obviously just your subjective opinion. And you're clearly overreacting with that. Also you don't seem to undertand the definition of a plothole. Anyway, im finished here. Why wouln't I?It's not like people always have to watch sophisticated stuff, sometimes you just want to enjoy some brain-off easy entertainment. Doesn't mean that everything non-sophisticated is automatically bad. ¯\_(ใ)_/¯ |
When you swim in the sea and an eel bites your knee, that's a moray! |
Rayzer said: TL;DR It's because they got shit taste, that's the only explanation. Blame it to the "new generation" of anime watchers (2000 kids), they are the worst. I agree... But I was kinda born in 2000 so... Whatever, I hate my generation anyways. |
Frostbytes said: Blarey said: I think it’s fine, the animation and story could be better compared to the first season, but I don’t think it’s bad. The writing has been a little weird of this arc in the manga I will admit. I still like reading it because of the great artwork and I like the characters. I don’t hate Azami and this arc though, even up to recent chapters we have barely seen much of Azami, I think his role as the villain in this series still has potential. I just hope it doesn’t turn into some “please save Erina with your cooking” bullshit. Well whatever potential he has, he won't really be able to show it since pretty sure the author is trying to get rid of him after this arc after that reaction from Japanese readers. I think that is still up for debate, but I really hope not. That would make him one very useless antagonist lol. He hasn’t done anything really. |
Draconix814 said: WHY NOT JUST DROP OUT AND GO TO ANOTHER SCHOOL? Better yet, just go to normal high school, and learn how to cook on the side. I think everybody forgets that these kids went straight in from Middle School and still haven't attended High School yet, but for what reason? So they can be 3 years behind in their education when they eventually do have to transfer back into the school system? I don't know how it works in japanese schools, but where I live we have school inspections and anybody could call in and report the school and the people from the department would have to investigate the thing that was reported. While watching this season I can't help but always think, why don't they just report azami and his system? I know they can't do it cause they need the big bad, but then why even come up with a villain that can be so easily removed? I keep cringing everytime some of the "evil plot" is revealed cause there are always bunch of solutions popping in my head. |
| Food Wars is getting worse? Well, that is your opinion. Comparing it with SAO is a wrong thing to do, since SAO wasn't solid (the first arc) to begin with. The show was good for people that started anime, or those that wanted something with good visuals & fightsc... just visuals. Food Wars on the other hand has one of the best sets of female characters I've seen so far, a new take on the 'shounen' genre, food animation that makes me darn hungry, a good animation and overall a good and solid storyline. So you think it is bad hmm? Well, just stop watching it. I think that this season is even better than the last one. And it is without a doubt the most highly praised show this season. |
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| Some of the stuff that took place this season may be questionable. Spoilers up to episode 10: Yeah, there are issues. What bothers me the most is that I'm really eager to see solid character development, but they just sprinkle a little bit of it before throwing another unnecessary obstacles in the way. I mean, it doesn't have to take that long for character development to take place. It's definitely there, but it's rather slow. If you're a manga reader, you can just read more and more until you're satisfied... but the anime just won't to get to the point. That being said, these issues feel like nitpicks next to the lackluster second season. Season 2 was just a series of repetitive cooking battles and not enough of what made S1 really shine. Yeah, S3 still has too much focus on direct confrontations to my taste. It would be a lot better if the cooking scenes were more dynamic (enough with the 1v1s already) and significant development didn't take so long to happen, but it's still a lot more fun than S2 anyway. |
FlamepriesTDec 12, 2017 1:25 PM
| You compare this to garbage like sao and bnha? I stopped reading at that point.. |
| Could we leave Asuna out of this? The Anime "version" of Asuna is severely messed up anyway (In the first arc to be specific), which isn't that surprising when you throw two versions of the same character magically together and expect it to work. It is nearly as bad as the whole Mahouka adaptation. Regarding this season i agree animation isn't as good as before, the whole brainwashing with Erina doesn't make sense and how Azami took over was done in such a lazy way not to mention the guy is just so boring... And why the hell have they skipped the part with Yukihira's father which should have been in the last episodes? |
Loose_ControlDec 12, 2017 2:41 PM
| We shouldn't compare completely different Animes with each other. SAO is something completely different. Of course not everybody needs to like the third season of Food Wars but it's personal taste so everybody can like what they want. I actually like the third season. It's not a masterpiece but it's pretty enjoyable! |
 I will not believe that everything is controlled by fate. ll X ll |
| Can't believe I just read this entire thread, this dude is salty af. When someone makes a valid point, he completely ignores it 'cause he's trapped inside his own ego. ๐๐๐ If you don't like the show, just don't watch it, bitching ain't gonna change anything. ¯\_(ใ)_/¯ |
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| Eh, I don't know why people seem to judge school decisions on real world logic and thus calling it stupid. I see it the exact same way as other shows about their dramatized subject matter like Yu-gi-oh or Pokemon. In Yugioh students are never seen studying, they just play Yugioh all day, and in Pokemon it's decided that sending 10-year olds out to travel the world on their own is a great idea (even though a good number of Pokedex entries make it clear that they can be very lethal to humans). In each the series subject of the show is SERIOUS BUSINESS and you don't need to apply real world logic to it. Here, the show is about cooking, cooking is everything, why are people thinking so seriously about how things would work out in real life? I treat the Elite Ten in a similar way to the Gotei 13 from Bleach and other similar super groups. It doesn't matter if they're high schoolers or not, what matters is that they're strong and thus have massive sway within the setting. |
MoekouDec 12, 2017 4:45 PM
| Based on what I know so far, not every episode can keep hyping it up. You can only go so far up that you have to go down. The part right now is right after some escalated episodes. It'll go hype back up again. On another topic, maybe people aren't watching this in the way that the creators want you to perceive it? |
  "๐๐ธ๐ป ๐๐ธ๐พ, ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ท ๐ฏ๐ช๐ต๐ต๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐ฒ๐ท๐ฝ๐ธ ๐๐ฎ๐ต๐ต ๐ฒ๐ผ ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ ๐ฎ๐ท๐ธ๐พ๐ฐ๐ฑ." ๐๐ท๐ฒ๐ถ๐ฎ ๐๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ | ๐๐ช๐ท๐ฐ๐ช ๐๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ |
| I stopped reading halfway through this long-ass wall-of-text rant. Even the title of the topic is longer than it needs to be (it looks like you just wrote a whole paragraph in it). This series has always been average, so stop deluding yourself about it being otherwise. Yes, it has being getting progressive worse and more ridiculous as it goes, but what do you expect? It is a cooking-battle shounen series for god’s sake. The way things escalate and its ridiculousness is typical for most shows like this (example that comes to mind: Kuroko no Basket), so if you can’t deal with that, then just drop it (and please don’t give me that “I have invested in this series too much to drop it now” crap). Overall, this series has gotten stale (even Souma ridiculous skills can’t fix that), but it’s still somewhat entertaining to watch every now and then. Personally, I would have dropped it if that wasn’t the case. Dinoe said: Food Wars on the other hand has one of the best sets of female characters I've seen so far, a new take on the 'shounen' genre, food animation that makes me darn hungry, a good animation and overall a good and solid storyline. So you think it is bad hmm? Well, just stop watching it.... This is not a “new” take on the shounen genre. There have been lots of other food-centric-shounen mangas/series before this one, so this is nothing new (the difference? this one became popular). The overall storyline is average, not to mention it gets stale after a while, so it is its characters and their development. Also, If this is the best set of female characters you have seen, then I really don’t know what to say…. I know everything is subjective, but c’mon. I agree with the whole notion that if you aren’t enjoying a particular series, then just drop it and move on. Watching stuff you are not enjoying is not only a waste of time, but kinda moronic too, to be honest. I also feel that comparing series that aren’t similar in any way, shape, or form is just idiotic. |
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Rayzer said: TL;DR It's because they got shit taste, that's the only explanation. Blame it to the "new generation" of anime watchers (2000 kids), they are the worst. Yeah, yeah, we know. Everyone who has a different opinion than you has shit taste. |
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| Don't care to be honest, it's entertaining and I want to root for Soma. |
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