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Oct 27, 2017 7:24 PM
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Most important is why ? An anime list account, heck you don't win anything with it.

Troublesome weird stuff, anyway thanks for the reminder.
Oct 27, 2017 8:07 PM

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Any advice on people that log into MAL with a another social media account like me?
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Oct 28, 2017 2:07 AM
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it was probably me trying to get back into my account
Oct 28, 2017 2:44 AM

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I don't know why I'm getting locked out of my account over one attempt at logging in due to mistyping. Said I had too many attempts on my home ip, but I only failed once? Not sure if this is working as intended.

I had to switch over to mobile data to login
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Oct 28, 2017 4:26 AM
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sasalx said:
@Petrosino

Well yes but my point is a dev should try his/her best to secure the site.

Why are we still using Apache?
Why are we still using BBCode? (Post date of article: 2009-09-18 01:54:17. Fixed 6 days ago)
Why are we not using OAuth2?

All I can praise is they are using lodash and latest versions of it has no vulnerabilities.



Good questions.

This website Qualys SSL Labs checks the connections to the servers websites use for their backend. The connection itself to MAL is surprisingly secure, but scroll down to the bottom of both reports and it is confirmed that they still use apache server.

Even if the connection is relatively secure (since it's the best thing in today's web) an insecure server side renders it mute.
Oct 28, 2017 4:57 AM

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hacking to MAL accounts is just a waste of time like... Ur just hacking someone's list and what u are going to do about it? srsly
Oct 28, 2017 5:31 AM
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Most people use the same, or similar, password for multiple online accounts. So a hacker gets the MAL password and hacks into the user's email (which he likely uses for more than just MAL). And the distance from that to sensitive information is very VERY short.
Oct 28, 2017 7:09 AM

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2 factor auth is becoming standard. Would love to see something like Authy/Google Authenticator support. Those of us that are savvy enough to use password managers (with randomly generated passwords ill never remember) with 2fa auth, this should stop a good percentage of brute forces. When can we see something like this?

Anime is srs buisiness.

edit: If you get 2fa auth, I'll link my paypal for supporter. <:
braveshinedOct 28, 2017 7:12 AM
Oct 28, 2017 10:53 AM
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Kineta said:

If you have a simple password, please update it immediately.
Within the last two years, MAL has considerably increased its password requirements in attempt to help you keep your account safe. However, if you have not changed your password since 2015 or before, you may still be using a very simple password. Please update this immediately. All passwords should consist of upper and lower case letters, numbers, and special characters for maximum security.

Sorry but this statement is absurd, and shows the complete lack of real understanding of hacking, a password with many "weird" characters, special ones, will do absolutely nothing except forcing the users to remember passwords or choose really simple ones with weird charasteristics, the only real way to go is to get long passwords, which would normally take years to brute force through. Obviosuly it might help with hacking related with social engineering and such, but not bruteforce attacks. You see, normally if you allow users to include special characters you increase the base in which the hacker needs to work to actually hack, so lets say you have about 70 different characters that can be used to make a password that is at least 8 characters long, that makes 70^8 possible completely different combinations, sort of (pardon my bad skills in math). Instead of forcing users to make weird, hard to remember passwords, please, please let them choose from a list of possible sets of rules, one being the password being at least 12 characters long per example, and one being of a set length at least and it having to use at least one special character, uppercase and lowercase, and a number.

Edit: Removed some unpolite remarks and wanted to say that UnderdoneElm77 also said something similar to what i said. Two factor auth or something like the Steam Guard system could be better too, wouldn't mind having an extra app in my phone for MAL
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Oct 28, 2017 1:17 PM

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I didn't change my password because it longer more than 10 words.
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Oct 28, 2017 4:28 PM
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ShovelAnime said:
MAL also doesn't really need a super secure website, the worst personal info in here is email. The failed attempt delay would be nice, but two step could kill the fanbase

Two-step verification doesn't have to be mandatory, they could make it an option you can turn on/off.
Oct 28, 2017 5:05 PM

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Faederwulf said:
Two-step verification doesn't have to be mandatory, they could make it an option you can turn on/off.


Finally A good Idea!
Oct 28, 2017 7:56 PM

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I havent changed my password since the day I signed up for MAL, guess these hackers dont think im worthy of hacking...

;-;
Oct 28, 2017 9:20 PM

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But whats point of even hacking account? And its a lot harder when your password have 2 words, example " pass word " than symbols and upper letters and other things.
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Oct 28, 2017 9:27 PM

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Thnx for announcement admin this is what we need remind it to other new user as well. Wish this wont happened to MAL.

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Oct 29, 2017 3:41 AM

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Only thing you should be worried about is having your username taken from you, and considering that after the ancient SSJ Master hack on the databases long before 2015 I keep a back-up on my lists every few months

Considering how highly anal the password requirements are my password for MAL is not something I've copied anywhere else

Also if we're going two factor please be Google Auth style where you don't need to link your phone number for it, I spent a few days fighting Apple over my old phone number being unassailable where with Google I just scan a QR code and it's easy to access from there on out
Oct 29, 2017 9:08 PM

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Cnon said:
Are passwords still sent in plaintext?? What is point of changing passwords if they can spoof it?

This. This is kinda...very important.
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Oct 30, 2017 1:14 AM

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I'm just going to point out that using lower case, upper case, numbers, and symbols in passwords doesn't help nearly as much as it used to. Since those are the norm, any brute force method is going to take that into account. What is still effective is extending password length. Every character added is another multiplier to how long it will take to crack the password. A password made up of 50 lower case letters is going to beat a 10 character password made up of any combination of characters every single time. Of course, it is still better to use all of those other characters as much as possible, I'm just pointing out that length is more important than variety in passwords these days.

EDIT: Though I see some people beat me on the punch on this one. Just make sure you aren't making your long password in the form of a sentence. Using unrelated words is better. Using no words at all is best.
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Oct 30, 2017 2:40 AM
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Cnon said:
Are passwords still sent in plaintext?? What is point of changing passwords if they can spoof it?
What anime is ur pic from?
Oct 30, 2017 7:49 AM
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why all seems so worried. bruteforce is very hard unless you use common words or repeating words. if ur password is unique, maybe until you die they don't even successfully brutefurce you. Just like bruteforcing a WPA2 which contains my full name and my ic number.
even ur password is very strong, theres something called keylogger xD
but overall myanimelist should be okay since it do encrypts its connection... unlike my high school management system, i can get client credentials by using wireshark... cause they use http only...
i don't think its so easy to be hacked lol... unless u use password like aabbccdd, that's ur problem
Oct 30, 2017 12:57 PM
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Thanks for the warning! Why someone would try to hack into accounts on an anime forum is beyond me 0_o
Oct 31, 2017 6:15 AM

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I just use my facebook login to log in, don't even remember password. Time to go look into that. 🤔😂
Oct 31, 2017 6:19 AM
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why do they need the account??
Oct 31, 2017 9:12 AM
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Man I bet they hack accounts in order to add Boku no Pico to all them anime lists.
The hacker dream.
Oct 31, 2017 6:10 PM

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hazekashi said:
Back in the 1970s, one of the engineers who built the early internet sent out a memo: Passwords need to have uppers, lowers, digits, emoji, special characters, Russian letters and katakanas. That will make it un-hackable! (With 1970s technology.)

I wish I could remember his name. He recently gave an interview admitting he was wrong, 40 years later. Those $00per H4xx0rz passwords are actually the worst kind. They're just as easy to crack, but impossible to remember. So what does everybody do? Write them down!

A much more secure system is to use 6-8 ordinary words that are random but easy to remember. Brute forcing your ampersands is easy, but 6-8 words is 30-40 letters, and NO computer can brute force a password that's long. I wonder if MAL would let you use "battery sent apple your tsumugi honey awful"?


That would be true if Katakana and other special character actually existed in 1970 :^)
Oct 31, 2017 6:42 PM

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optional plans : strengthen mal security like blizzardapp/steam

overkill? i don't think so

i know someone already suggested this, but no harm to bring it up again


Oct 31, 2017 7:08 PM

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Who even uses same password on all websites? Those people are probably just regular users who don't own anything worthy to be hacked.
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Oct 31, 2017 8:01 PM
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Thank you for making this super important reminder! I have been using a password manager for making super complicated passwords. And I will spread this message onto Tumblr or Twitter if anyone uses MAL. Thank you so much!

Also, it is scary that I don't want any hackers hacking my account, but getting further taking away my security. Thank you for making this important reminder.
Nov 1, 2017 12:29 AM

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Wouldn't it be better if you used a password that was long and consisting of multiple uncommon words?

Something about the entropy and length of it being harder to brute-force is what I have read.
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Nov 1, 2017 12:39 AM

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Yeah it would be bad to be hacked but meh its only a list of anime and manga so its not losing much but thanks for the warnings
Nov 1, 2017 4:14 AM
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Kineta said:
We will continue to do everything we can to ensure your accounts are kept safe. However, we need you to be committed to performing basic account security precautions as well; otherwise, everything we do will only be partially effective.


It feels a little disingenuous to say this when you haven't even implemented 2-factor authentication. In 2017, that is not setting a particularly high bar.
Nov 1, 2017 4:42 AM
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How Stupid, what are they're going to to if they actually hack it?
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Tiffanys said:
tbh if someone manages to bruteforce my password, they deserve the account. There's nothing on here except my anime/manga list. Like what the heck do they think they're going to do with my account? There's no incentive to even bother hacking into accounts on this site, it's nonsensical. What are you gonna do hacker-chan, edit/delete people's lists? Not a very good use of your time...


Exactly, like what in the world will they do if they did hack? What a waste of time.
Nov 1, 2017 10:58 AM
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I just changed my password, i hope the hacker goes away soon for god sake. I think the hacking might be practice for something else :( because i don't know why people would hack in here.
Nov 1, 2017 3:11 PM

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LoveTheLizard said:
Man I bet they hack accounts in order to add Boku no Pico to all them anime lists.
The hacker dream.
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Nov 2, 2017 1:08 AM
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Actually, numbers, upper/lower case and special symbols don't make passwords any safer. It's a common misconception. Password safety should actually be measured strictly by length. Combining 5 medium-length words into a password, kind of like

AwesomeEsotericMasterPsychologyLord,

is much safer than a password like

M@iBiggButt6996.
Nov 2, 2017 2:25 AM

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Slemmen447 said:
Actually, numbers, upper/lower case and special symbols don't make passwords any safer. It's a common misconception. Password safety should actually be measured strictly by length. Combining 5 medium-length words into a password, kind of like

AwesomeEsotericMasterPsychologyLord,

is much safer than a password like

M@iBiggButt6996.


More options per character means that shorter passwords have more possible combinations.

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Arakura said:
Slemmen447 said:
Actually, numbers, upper/lower case and special symbols don't make passwords any safer. It's a common misconception. Password safety should actually be measured strictly by length. Combining 5 medium-length words into a password, kind of like

AwesomeEsotericMasterPsychologyLord,

is much safer than a password like

M@iBiggButt6996.


More options per character means that shorter passwords have more possible combinations.

I'm not saying special characters and numbers should not be allowed. Allowing special characters and numbers is great.
I do however want to point out that the complexity gained by allowing special characters is nowhere near the complexity you get with longer passwords.

A 6 character password with 100 available characters (1 000 000 000 000 possible combinations) is not nearly as safe as a 9 character password with only 50 available characters (1 953 125 000 000 000 000 possible combinations).

Of course, a 9 character password with 100 available characters is even safer.

EDIT: I know most websites these days use ASCII, so the amount of available characters is usually 256.
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Okay! I made steps to prevent this from happening.
I just have one question:
Why does somebody need some random dudes list of watched anime?
Nov 2, 2017 11:28 AM
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i've taken y measures too.
Arakura said:
Slemmen447 said:

AwesomeEsotericMasterPsychologyLord,is much safer than a password like
You're right.
password length is a one part of it but i if i know the length of Ur pass i can use a rainbow table to generate passwords. But mixing up words like u did is a very good idea. Because many password generating tools try random letters and characters.More options per character means that shorter passwords have more possible combinations.
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Oh no, this sounds dangerous! I guess it's time to increase the complexity of my 46 characters' long password! (Yes, it really is that long. No, it is not a sentence. Yes, I'm crazy)
Nov 2, 2017 10:07 PM

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I don't even know my password hahaha
I login through Facebook... Probably I'm in even more danger lawl


Any affiliated accounts, (linked accounts) should have different passwords.
If they're different you're fine, unless they want to steal your Facebook as well.
(But honestly Zuckerburg datamining your real information is much more dangerous than getting your Facebook hacked.)

Anyone know what spawned this urge to hack MAL's DB?
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JohnTron said:
TonhaoNoXablau said:
I don't even know my password hahaha
I login through Facebook... Probably I'm in even more danger lawl


Any affiliated accounts, (linked accounts) should have different passwords.
If they're different you're fine, unless they want to steal your Facebook as well.
(But honestly Zuckerburg datamining your real information is much more dangerous than getting your Facebook hacked.)

Anyone know what spawned this urge to hack MAL's DB?


If you mean SSJmaster, afaik, he got banned and hacking the site every every year was his way of politely asking to be unbanned. With guro and scat porn

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Man I bet they hack accounts in order to add Boku no Pico to all them anime lists.
The hacker dream.


YES. Well, that's what I'd do. Fill up everyones list with Yaoi and rate them all 10/10 lol

OT:

My password is so obvious it's a wonder no-one hacked me yet.

Nov 3, 2017 9:54 PM

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As a system admin, I am honestly surprised that MAL hasn't been hacked in the 2 1/2 years that I have been on here because from what I have seen, a lot of the code running on the back-end seems really outdated... The API is still XML and uses HTTP basic authentication to verify lol... All an attacker would have to do is write a simple script to try a bunch of user:pass combos on https://myanimelist.net/api/account/verify_credentials.xml and log the combos if the status code is 200. I could write something to do this in 5 minutes if I wanted to. Using software like fail2ban would not be an efficient method of stopping this either. A lot of code obviously just needs to be rewritten.
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Does this mean remaking the site or just make some complex modification to the site Vampire?
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Does this mean remaking the site or just make some complex modification to the site Vampire?


It would involve rewriting the API and authentication mechanism(s), which would require some database modifications too. None of these modifications would be complicated. They would be rather simple but tedious.

In my opinion, they should at least:

  • Use OAuth2 for API authorization
  • Hash user passwords with a secure algorithm like argon2 or scrypt
  • Add software and hardware 2FA support (ex. Authy, U2F, backup codes)
  • Send users an email if someone logs in with an unusual IP and/or user agent
Nov 5, 2017 12:15 AM

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SSJMaster vs Xinil Season 3 already? Sweet!
Nov 5, 2017 2:09 AM

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I am curious to ask this so, when did all this so called hacking start...? Is it still anything to worry about? I personally havent gotten hacked or had anything happen to me. But i still worry a lil now an then
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To all of those who ask why someone would hack MAL:


A vast majority of internet users use a password or similar passwords for other websites and services. If you don't do this then obviously you're already ahead of the program but you wouldn't be asking this question either.

Do you know what internet users also like? That's right, unique handles.

Once a hacker obtains one of your passwords that corresponds to your e-mail address or handle elsewhere his chances of being able to get into much more sensitive places increases a thousandfold. From there he could see emails from your bank, possible other websites you're registered to and so forth. Should your security really be lacking even more... Well you get the point.

The question isn't "Why would he want my MAL account", he doesn't want it. The real question is "Is he going to access more than just my MAL account"
Nov 5, 2017 8:23 AM

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This website is vulnerable to brute force attacks because half of the information is known: username

Stop using our public username as part of the login process and the problem will be much reduced.
(example: login using registered email address instead of username)
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