| So, we all know how almost every single shounen and action anime out there has attractive male characters with some level of femininity or androgyny to them, right? Well, ever noticed how none of those types of characters are EVER allowed to be openly gay or bi? No, if they're openly gay or bi, I've noticed some very strict patterns in shounen and action animes. They must always have very naturally masculine physical traits (especially in their facial structure), they must always act flamboyant and stereotypically gay, and they always take their shot at flirting with or sexually harring straight male characters in creepy fashion; and they are either overly muscular, and/or wears stereotypically gay clothes or crossdresses poorly. Only exceptions to these rules I know are very very few, and then in that case it's that they are super-duper feminine and brings up a wish for them to be a woman... meaning they are transgender women, and not gay men. So, that doesn't even count. And once again, I'm talking about SHOUNEN and ACTION animes specifically, since those are the types of animes I'm into. I am gay myself, and I'm generally tired of feeling like us gays and bis are only allowed to be like I described in any action-oriented animes. Heterosexual dudes get cool sexy attractive male characters in action-oriented all the times to look up to and want to be like - I get no one to look up to or wanting to be like or be attracted to. And I don't think it's fair I can't even find ONE exception to this rule. But like I said in the title, I would really really love to be proven wrong on this. |
It's because there's not near as big a market to have a gay action anime compared to a heterosexual action one. It's all about the money. |
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| the majority of people (including me) will avoid watch a shounen with gay mc go watch some Yaoi or Shounen ai |
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| It's Japan what are you expecting? They are really homophobic who don't really do well with any LGBT issues. Plus if you made characters gay I'm pretty sure some idiots would scream fujo pandering and crap like that. |
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| shone with no anime as its main character because one one want to watch a faggot |
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| If someone would be so kind and write me summary of that wall of text. Or is this just another gay thread ? |
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| OP: >Makes question about the use of homosexuality in general in action anime. Answers: >Talks about the MC only. Lol, read again. |
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| well if you want a reason its because japan is rather regressive in that nature very taboo desu there was that gay dude in TTGL tho lol |
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| Feminine Openly Homosexual character in Shounen Anime = Taboo to air on Japanese TV and that won't change until Nippon actually starts listening to your opinions |
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Swagernator said: If someone would be so kind and write me summary of that wall of text. Or is this just another gay thread ? why is every gay char showed as super-muscular, creepy and weirdly clothed. Nothing that he can identify with. Or at least that's the impression i got from the op |
Aidoru-Ojisan said: Nippon actually starts listening to your opinions And it will be that exact moment when anime die. Shattiiee said: why is every gay char showed as super-muscular, creepy and weirdly clothed. Nothing that he can identify with. Or at least that's the impression i got from the op Well that would be because that's where truth lies. I completely agree. |
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Swagernator said: Aidoru-Ojisan said: Nippon actually starts listening to your opinions And it will be that exact moment when anime die. True, but Nippon was already killing Anime themselves :p |
Aidoru-OjisanAug 28, 2017 10:49 AM
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| Because Japan. Next question please. |
Swagernator said: If someone would be so kind and write me summary of that wall of text. Or is this just another gay thread ? Why are (implied) homosexuals in shounen/action anime always the creepy and damaging stereotype that always lusts after the hetero characters with 'sexual harassment' levels of force? Is what I got from it. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
Victinimad said: It's Japan what are you expecting? They are really homophobic who don't really do well with any LGBT issues. Plus if you made characters gay I'm pretty sure some idiots would scream fujo pandering and crap like that. putting jokes aside, that is probably the main reason. I guess they don't want to encourage gayness(?) |
| Oh boy oh boy, as a bi guy that loves action/shounen I would sold my soul to have action anime with openly gay/bi protagonist... Best examples I've seen so far of guys that aren't hetero in action anime would be Dio from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and Shinji from Neon Genesis Evangelion. |
Aidoru-Ojisan said: True, but Nippon was killing Anime themselves already :p Let's just hope they finish with that killing before western correctness enter the scene. Shattiiee said: I guess they don't want to encourage gayness(?) Jesus, just look at their birth rate, they cant afford gayness. The future of nippon depends on it. |
SwagernatorAug 28, 2017 10:54 AM
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Tomislavr7 said: You can't get everything you want in your life because life isn't fair. Authors and their publishers aren't wish-granting people/institutions. They create what they want to create and what they think will sell. If one of those works happens to have a lot of what you want, then good for you, otherwise, too bad and you can always create something yourself. Cheers. ^ This tbh, good reasonable answer bro |
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Swagernator said: Jesus, just look at their birth rate, they can afford gayness. The future of nippon depends on it. you do have a point there actually. hmm... |
Victinimad said: It's Japan what are you expecting? They are really homophobic who don't really do well with any LGBT issues. Plus if you made characters gay I'm pretty sure some idiots would scream fujo pandering and crap like that. They claim fujo pandering for even a perfectly normal sports shonen like Haikyuu lmao. |
| isn't jjba pretty gay? also, shounen is targeted for a specific audience so it makes sense why heteros are more common there |
kikyo1hinamora said: Manaban said: but....but my response was pure gold .Well I wouldn't intentionally make fun of your English because I've sort of been there before myself, I just assume it isn't your first language but yeah I was trying to make fun of your response mine was better though, you just need to git gud ---------- I've got nothing I really want to say that could be considered relevant because I dislike taking place in discussions related to these types of topics immensely. Rather than clogging up the thread, I'll opt to pull out rather than stay inside. |
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Tomislavr7 said: You can't get everything you want in your life because life isn't fair. Authors and their publishers aren't wish-granting people/institutions. They create what they want to create and what they think will sell. If one of those works happens to have a lot of what you want, then good for you, otherwise, too bad and you can always create something yourself. Cheers. ^This. @KurvosVicky , the anime and manga industry is...well.. an industry. It comes down to demand and supply. Most people are Hetero, and anime itself is a niche thing, at leastwhen it comes to howmany of its consumers actually pay for it. If you make a show for an even smaller niche, the fanbase is gonna have to be EXTREMELY DEDICATED Are you going to buy every single blu-ray and dvd of anime with gay protagonists, if they decide to make them for you? Are you going to make it worth their money? Will you pay them hard earned xash for any shonen with a gay MC, no matter how bad it is? Unlikely. You're part of a minority, so sadly, you'll have to make do with fujobait if you want shows with gay MC. It sucks for you, but you wont get anything better, |
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kikyo1hinamora said: because no one one want to watch a shonen anime with a faggot as its main character. and usually yaoi anime are meant for girls and yuri for boys they are made for heterosexual people mainly lol First of all - I just gave examples of gay characters existing in shounen, I never said they don't exist in them at all. Second, I never said it has to be a main character. None of this answers the question brought up. |
CreativeNam3 said: It's because there's not near as big a market to have a gay action anime compared to a heterosexual action one. It's all about the money. You didn't read my post properly. Never said I want the whole anime to be gay, or that it lacks gay inclusion. I even acknowledged that shounen animes have gay inclusion, just questioning the way it's included. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. |
| Again, people are focusing on the MC. Maybe he just wants a cool gay side character ya know. The anime could still be mainly hetero with a hetero MC and all, but have a gay character that is not just an extreme comic relief. I believe that is what he's asking for. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
tragedydesu said: the majority of people (including me) will avoid watch a shounen with gay mc go watch some Yaoi or Shounen ai Like I've told two others here already, I never asked why there is no gay inclusion in shounen. I even acknowledged that there IS gay inclusion in shounen anime. Please pay attention to what I say before commenting, because your response is irrelevant to my question. And shounen-ai and yaoi is not action-oriented. |
Victinimad said: It's Japan what are you expecting? They are really homophobic who don't really do well with any LGBT issues. Plus if you made characters gay I'm pretty sure some idiots would scream fujo pandering and crap like that. Never said they don't make characters gay. I even SAID they DO. That's not what I brought up in my post. I question the awfully selective way they portray gays always, and I ask for if there is any exception. |
This is not a shounen or action anime. |
Never said anything about main characters. |
KurvosVicky said: Victinimad said: It's Japan what are you expecting? They are really homophobic who don't really do well with any LGBT issues. Plus if you made characters gay I'm pretty sure some idiots would scream fujo pandering and crap like that. Never said they don't make characters gay. I even SAID they DO. That's not what I brought up in my post. I question the awfully selective way they portray gays always, and I ask for if there is any exception. And like I said because it's Japan. They are homophobic. Do they heck know that gay people are like normal people? They just have an oversimplified view in their heads as gay people 'don't exist' in their society due to the fact it's frowned upon and they try and 'correct' that sort of stuff (there is a nice idoim realting to this about hammering down nails that stick out; implying that anything society deems isn't 'normal' is got rid of). Most people (happens in the west) don't go out of their way to educate theirselves on matters like this that most likely don't relate to them. Authors just want stories that sell after all; not to lose out of money for catering to select people. Exceptions only really exist in BL and most of the time the ukes are overly feminine too. Tho there is a lot of 'normal' people in BL as well. |
'Those who like space, can't be bad people' |
| well most of these anime, if not all, are made by straight males with a straight male audience in mind wow.. yall are some assholes @__@ |
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kikyo1hinamora said: Darek said: me too .I hope for a day when you will start making sense. all I want to say is that not everyone who doesn't support lgbt's rights is an homophobe. Everyone who unironically calls gays "faggots" is tho. |
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Tomislavr7 said: You can't get everything you want in your life because life isn't fair. Authors and their publishers aren't wish-granting people/institutions. They create what they want to create and what they think will sell. If one of those works happens to have a lot of what you want, then good for you, otherwise, too bad and you can always create something yourself. Cheers. This is not what I was asking for. I'm questioning patterns. |
addioo12 said: Tomislavr7 said: You can't get everything you want in your life because life isn't fair. Authors and their publishers aren't wish-granting people/institutions. They create what they want to create and what they think will sell. If one of those works happens to have a lot of what you want, then good for you, otherwise, too bad and you can always create something yourself. Cheers. ^This. @KurvosVicky , the anime and manga industry is...well.. an industry. It comes down to demand and supply. Most people are Hetero, and anime itself is a niche thing, at leastwhen it comes to howmany of its consumers actually pay for it. If you make a show for an even smaller niche, the fanbase is gonna have to be EXTREMELY DEDICATED Are you going to buy every single blu-ray and dvd of anime with gay protagonists, if they decide to make them for you? Are you going to make it worth their money? Will you pay them hard earned xash for any shonen with a gay MC, no matter how bad it is? Unlikely. You're part of a minority, so sadly, you'll have to make do with fujobait if you want shows with gay MC. It sucks for you, but you wont get anything better, I. NEVER. SAID. ANYTHING. ABOUT. A. MAIN. CHARACTER. BEING. GAY. God damnit, you people just cherry-pick what I say to disregard it all instead of trying to help me find examples of what I look for. -_- |
HyperL said: Again, people are focusing on the MC. Maybe he just wants a cool gay side character ya know. The anime could still be mainly hetero with a hetero MC and all, but have a gay character that is not just an extreme comic relief. I believe that is what he's asking for. THANK YOU! Thank god, SOMEONE here bothers to read what I say. |
EZanime91 said: The market is too small to have a openly gay character in anime specially in a shouen battle series. In addition, most countries especially Japan have a conservative society and would not look kindly on a openly gay character that is serious about their same-sex lover unless it a made for pandering and fan-service only. I even told there ARE openly gay male characters in shounen animes. This is not what I even talked about. |
ClickBaitBuster said: but what do you want tho? if you want a male MC in love another male then that means there should be a romance tag which is rare itself in the shounen/action genre. And if you want a MC who want to have sex with another male then shounen/action oriented anime are the last place you would find anyone mentioning sex at all. holy shit I would really like to know why you rated one of the only highly acclaimed gay anime like YoI despite being gay yourself. There are openly gay characters in shounen/action anime. I even said that in my first post. This is not what I even talked about. |
| I was writing a long reply, trying to figure out why it is as you describe, but ultimately I felt that my analysis wasn't actually helpful, and at worst it could come off as apologetic. Certainly, we could find explanations by looking at this psychosocially etc. but I think most people already know that homosexuality is not viewed neutrally in Japanese culture. The question is whether we can find examples of homosexual characters depicted in a reasonable fashion. I don't know of any proper examples myself. The closest would be Yuri Kuma Arashi which is deeply allegorical and deals with how lesbianism is (poorly) dealt with in anime (and so we get to see those very problems). Quite meta and not what you're looking for (neither shounen nor action), but at least it shows that not literally everyone in the industry has those bizarre and exaggerated ideas about what it means to be homosexual and I hope that things are going in the right direction, although it will probably take some time. A lot of ridiculous comments in this thread... |
| watch Gurren Lagann its about manliness but there is gay side character there that you may like |
SSF2 said: KurvosVicky said: So, we all know how almost every single shounen and action anime out there has attractive male characters with some level of femininity or androgyny to them, right? Well, ever noticed how none of those types of characters are EVER allowed to be openly gay or bi? No, if they're openly gay or bi, I've noticed some very strict patterns in shounen and action animes. They must always have very naturally masculine physical traits (especially in their facial structure), they must always act flamboyant and stereotypically gay, and they always take their shot at flirting with or sexually harring straight male characters in creepy fashion; and they are either overly muscular, and/or wears stereotypically gay clothes or crossdresses poorly. Only exceptions to these rules I know are very very few, and then in that case it's that they are super-duper feminine and brings up a wish for them to be a woman... meaning they are transgender women, and not gay men. So, that doesn't even count. And once again, I'm talking about SHOUNEN and ACTION animes specifically, since those are the types of animes I'm into. I am gay myself, and I'm generally tired of feeling like us gays and bis are only allowed to be like I described in any action-oriented animes. Heterosexual dudes get cool sexy attractive male characters in action-oriented all the times to look up to and want to be like - I get no one to look up to or wanting to be like or be attracted to. And I don't think it's fair I can't even find ONE exception to this rule. But like I said in the title, I would really really love to be proven wrong on this. I wasn't planning to answer this, but after seeing all those stupid answers... Anyway, I totally agree with you, I understand how it feels to love something so much but that something dispises you, or just makes as if you don't even exist. Some of the answers were right, I think the reason here is mostly Japan's social situation, and also anime viewers'. I just hope this changes in the next few years. Don't mind those people who insult you, I keep getting surprised at how rude people can be in this site. Looks like some are afraid of having their sexuality teased... Oh, thanks man. :) So nice to see someone say something nice and reasonable and rational here for a chance. And yeah, I hope it'll get better in the future. And yeah, I'll try to not mind these people. XP |
| Isn't the gay character in Gurren Lagann a typically poor example? |
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