| I don't remember that scene. What episode did this happen? And even if that did happen, the majority of the nudity in Elfen Lied was completely non-sexualized. I don't think one moment of sexual romance between Kohta and whoever it was, I'm guessing Lucy, does not make a whole show full of "fanservice". And your review of that show was pretty disagreeable. I honestly thought you were trolling when I first saw it. |
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ukonkivi said: I don't remember that scene. What episode did this happen? And even if that did happen, the majority of the nudity in Elfen Lied was completely non-sexualized. I don't think one moment of sexual romance between Kohta and whoever it was, I'm guessing Lucy, does not make a whole show full of "fanservice". And your review of that show was pretty disagreeable. I honestly thought you were trolling when I first saw it. I don't remember now; it must have been the second or third episode. Don't try to tell me it wasn't sexualized/fanservice when they used every opportunity they could to get pink-haired little girls naked. Let's just have this girl show up on the beach, naked, with no memory, and take her home. It was a show full of fanservice because the girls were constantly naked and the show clung to harem and romance clichés so desperately that they were forced at the expense of all logic and sense. Pantyshots notwithstanding, that, to me, is what you call fanservice. As I said to you in a comment: I think Elfen Lied is an abusive pile of shit that nobody who isn't a creepy retard should like. I mean it when I say it's one of the absolute worst things ever to come out of anime — it's degrading to anyone who isn't completely offended by its contrived stupidity and pointless perversity (it's a fucking harem show with gore and shitty forced "romance"). My review speaks the truth, and if you find it "disagreeable" then I don't know how much more we have to say on this topic. Review in question: http://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=23510 I stand by it 100%, not even trolling. |
zenoslimeFeb 26, 2010 9:32 AM
| I think it's amazing that people actually get turned on by rape scenes. How lonely/fucked up do you have to be to get a boner watching someone get raped?! I don't care if it's part of the plot, but it irritates me if it's used to turn a serious situation into a porno for socially inept people. |
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| That scene in Elfen Lied was because she didn't know anything at all so she didn't know what she was doing. It wasn't fanservice. It was part of teaching her right and wrong. The manga is much better than the anime anyway. Also lol at you saying it's degrading. AthenianMango said: I think it's amazing that people actually get turned on by rape scenes. How lonely/fucked up do you have to be to get a boner watching someone get raped?! I don't care if it's part of the plot, but it irritates me if it's used to turn a serious situation into a porno for socially inept people. Oh I get it. You're one of those morons who also think that lolicon encourages pedophilia and is child porn. It is fiction therefore your logic that people like that are lonely or fucked up is completely stupid. |
Drunk_SamuraiFeb 26, 2010 10:22 AM
Drunk_Samurai said: That scene in Elfen Lied was because she didn't know anything at all so she didn't know what she was doing. It wasn't fanservice. It was part of teaching her right and wrong. Also the manga is much better than the anime is. I haven't read the manga; I didn't review the manga. Anyway, "teaching her right and wrong" could have been shown in other ways, but instead they had to be creepy about it by putting the idiot-baby in that kind of situation. Young woman is rendered brainless, wants her boobies touched. Fanservice. Drunk_Samurai said: AthenianMango said: I think it's amazing that people actually get turned on by rape scenes. How lonely/fucked up do you have to be to get a boner watching someone get raped?! I don't care if it's part of the plot, but it irritates me if it's used to turn a serious situation into a porno for socially inept people. Oh I get it. You're one of those morons who also think that lolicon encourages pedophilia and is child porn. It is fiction therefore your logic that people like that are lonely or fucked up is completely stupid. Except that in many cases he's actually correct. "It is fiction" is a lazy excuse. Anyway, why are you jumping from rape to lolicon? Go watch a live action film, a fictional one, including a graphic rape scene. Then tell me you'll still disagree when someone says it would be rather fucked up for someone to get off on that. See how fucking stupid your argument is, now? I mean, unless you get off on rape (because it's fictional...), uh, well, what can I say. |
antitype said: Drunk_Samurai said: That scene in Elfen Lied was because she didn't know anything at all so she didn't know what she was doing. It wasn't fanservice. It was part of teaching her right and wrong. Also the manga is much better than the anime is. I haven't read the manga; I didn't review the manga. Anyway, "teaching her right and wrong" could have been shown in other ways, but instead they had to be creepy about it by putting the idiot-baby in that kind of situation. Young woman is rendered brainless, wants her boobies touched. Fanservice. Drunk_Samurai said: AthenianMango said: I think it's amazing that people actually get turned on by rape scenes. How lonely/fucked up do you have to be to get a boner watching someone get raped?! I don't care if it's part of the plot, but it irritates me if it's used to turn a serious situation into a porno for socially inept people. Oh I get it. You're one of those morons who also think that lolicon encourages pedophilia and is child porn. It is fiction therefore your logic that people like that are lonely or fucked up is completely stupid. Except that in many cases he's actually correct. "It is fiction" is a lazy excuse. Anyway, why are you jumping from rape to lolicon? Go watch a live action film, a fictional one, including a graphic rape scene. Then tell me you'll still disagree when someone says it would be rather fucked up for someone to get off on that. See how fucking stupid your argument is, now? I mean, unless you get off on rape (because it's fictional...), uh, well, what can I say. It's not a lazy excuse. It's fact. Fiction does not equal reality. He is no right. Anybody who says fiction means real life is a retard. It isn't a jump. People like that think that fiction means people will do something in real life too if they get off on it. |
| wow alot of dissagreement and agreements going on here... ive gotta say after the amount of non needed and pointless rape scenes or over the top fan service has made me bored of them so now i dont watch any that have to much fanservice as it ruins the story and i would like to remind everyone: rape aiont spose to be good or hot or turn you on its spose to be discusting i dont watch hentais but i know that if i saw a rape scene on a anime i would be annoyed but i dont think i ever have... cept a girl gettin hit with a bat which is basicly rape... but people seem to have diffrent.. views on wat rape is i dno and for the comment above about a graphic rape... ive seen one... it wasnt nice 2 thiefs came into the house and smashed everything then killed the daugter infront of the mother and forced her to ... pleasure him if you find that hot then thats just scary |
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Drunk_Samurai said: Oh I get it. You're one of those morons who also think that lolicon encourages pedophilia and is child porn. It is fiction therefore your logic that people like that are lonely or fucked up is completely stupid. People will be people. Some take "FICTIONAL" Lolita to the extreme and some can watch it and never feel anything. I never understood why people get so butt hurt over crap that isn't real. I can see alot of future Equality supporters in this thread. I won't demoralize what you like so others shouldn't do the same. Like the guy posting his review on Elfen Lied. antitype said: As I said to you in a comment: I think Elfen Lied is an abusive pile of shit that nobody who isn't a creepy retard should like. I mean it when I say it's one of the absolute worst things ever to come out of anime — it's degrading to anyone who isn't completely offended by its contrived stupidity and pointless perversity (it's a fucking harem show with gore and shitty forced "romance"). My review speaks the truth, and if you find it "disagreeable" then I don't know how much more we have to say on this topic. Yea you hate Elfen Lied? Ok you said your piece. Why are you trying to prove that it's bad or good? Is their even a point to it? It's almost as if your desperate to prove to the world that's it's a steaming pile of crap. Everyone watched it and got a different view of it. Honestly I liked it. I didn't see it in a dirty way or perverted way. I saw originality that crap anime's don't ever show today. After watching over 900 different anime's you like seeing something new and unusual. When was the last recent and good gore anime you saw RIP someone to pieces before 2005? NEVER? because TV anime's don't and can't even broadcast the good stuff unless it's a ONA or OVA. Anime has become restricted because of crybaby moralfags take crap to serious. It's sad really. Now garbage like K-ON is the new Moe hot anime shit "A little off topic" antitype said: I stand by it 100%, not even trolling. You could have fouled the hell out me. I thought it was one best troll post I've seen in a while. Bravo |
bestiedamo1 said: wow alot of dissagreement and agreements going on here... ive gotta say after the amount of non needed and pointless rape scenes or over the top fan service has made me bored of them so now i dont watch any that have to much fanservice as it ruins the story and i would like to remind everyone: rape aiont spose to be good or hot or turn you on its spose to be discusting i dont watch hentais but i know that if i saw a rape scene on a anime i would be annoyed but i dont think i ever have... cept a girl gettin hit with a bat which is basicly rape... but people seem to have diffrent.. views on wat rape is i dno and for the comment above about a graphic rape... ive seen one... it wasnt nice 2 thiefs came into the house and smashed everything then killed the daugter infront of the mother and forced her to ... pleasure him if you find that hot then thats just scary How is a girl getting hit with a bat rape? That would just be physical assault with a dangerous weapon. |
TheFallenOne said: Yea you hate Elfen Lied? Ok you said your piece. Why are you trying to prove that it's bad or good? Is their even a point to it? It's almost as if your desperate to prove to the world that's it's a steaming pile of crap It's what we call a review, moron. Usually a person employs this medium to express his or her views on something. Drunk_Samurai said: It's not a lazy excuse. It's fact. Fiction does not equal reality. He is no right. Anybody who says fiction means real life is a retard. It isn't a jump. People like that think that fiction means people will do something in real life too if they get off on it. You didn't even respond to what I said. Lazy. |
antitype said: TheFallenOne said: Yea you hate Elfen Lied? Ok you said your piece. Why are you trying to prove that it's bad or good? Is their even a point to it? It's almost as if your desperate to prove to the world that's it's a steaming pile of crap It's what we call a review, moron. Usually a person employs this medium to express his or her views on something. Drunk_Samurai said: It's not a lazy excuse. It's fact. Fiction does not equal reality. He is no right. Anybody who says fiction means real life is a retard. It isn't a jump. People like that think that fiction means people will do something in real life too if they get off on it. You didn't even respond to what I said. Lazy. I did reply to it. You just don't know how to read. |
Drunk_Samurai said: antitype said: TheFallenOne said: Yea you hate Elfen Lied? Ok you said your piece. Why are you trying to prove that it's bad or good? Is their even a point to it? It's almost as if your desperate to prove to the world that's it's a steaming pile of crap It's what we call a review, moron. Usually a person employs this medium to express his or her views on something. Drunk_Samurai said: It's not a lazy excuse. It's fact. Fiction does not equal reality. He is no right. Anybody who says fiction means real life is a retard. It isn't a jump. People like that think that fiction means people will do something in real life too if they get off on it. You didn't even respond to what I said. Lazy. I did reply to it. You just don't know how to read. Don't feed the troll. You will only make it more hungry |
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| Actually the Berserk rape scene was pretty bad, but i'm not sure how much of it was meant to be horrific because it involved lots of slimey demon bits. I just felt pissed because the ending was a kick in the teeth for having watched the whole series. Death, rape and decapitation to all! |
| I don't feel strange. I enjoy it, and want more of this scenes. What's the matter with this? Please, remember that it's anime/manga. Fiction. |
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| It it fiction. But it does send a bad message, especially when overdone. There are plenty of BDSM related sexual fiction out there. There needs to be more of the softer kind. |
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TheFallenOne said: Yea you hate Elfen Lied? Ok you said your piece. Why are you trying to prove that it's bad or good? Is their even a point to it? It's almost as if your desperate to prove to the world that's it's a steaming pile of crap. Everyone watched it and got a different view of it. Honestly I liked it. I didn't see it in a dirty way or perverted way. I saw originality that crap anime's don't ever show today. After watching over 900 different anime's you like seeing something new and unusual. When was the last recent and good gore anime you saw RIP someone to pieces before 2005? NEVER? because TV anime's don't and can't even broadcast the good stuff unless it's a ONA or OVA. Anime has become restricted because of crybaby moralfags take crap to serious. It's sad really. Now garbage like K-ON is the new Moe hot anime shit "A little off topic" How does your approach differ from his? |
| I think that to say Elfen Lied is a mediocre anime overrated on a lot of psuedo-intellectual grounds is a sensible statement. Giving it a 2 rating is a bit much, though. A six or seven, maybe. But a two? No way. And the only "rape" scene I know of in the show is one of the few moment in anime that sexual abuse was shown as so horrifying that a girl actually ran away from home because of it. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard hitting anti-"lolicon" statement in all of anime. God I'm further helping to keep this thread off topic, sorry. |
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ukonkivi said: I think that to say Elfen Lied is a mediocre anime overrated on a lot of psuedo-intellectual grounds is a sensible statement. Giving it a 2 rating is a bit much, though. A six or seven, maybe. But a two? No way. And the only "rape" scene I know of in the show is one of the few moment in anime that sexual abuse was shown as so horrifying that a girl actually ran away from home because of it. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard hitting anti-"lolicon" statement in all of anime. God I'm further helping to keep this thread off topic, sorry. Well, you were the one who chose to mention my Elfen Lied review itt in the first place, instead of just commenting on my page. So now this is even more of a mess. I'll admit that I was harsh on Elfen Lied, and I'd be willing to acquiesce to a rating of 3 or 4 at the very most. It's worse than merely mediocre, in my opinion. Its writing is offensively bad. And really, I enjoyed doing that review and I've more than indulged your attempts to refute my views on the anime, ukon, but I'm pretty much done with this. |
TheFallenOne said: Now garbage like K-ON is the new Moe hot anime shit Sonic_Moronic said: How does your approach differ from his? Approach wise it's somewhat on the same level, but not nearly as harsh. Allow me to explain the reason for my choice of words. I rated K-ON a 8 out of 10 despite that statement. K-ON was good, but it wasn't that "GOOD" if you get what I mean. As far as slice of life genre's I enjoyed it. One of the best of 2009. Amazingly K-ON sold over 40,000 copies on just it's first DVD volume of sales? When I saw the figure I was upset and appalled to see such a high number. WHY?!? Yea K-ON was ok? but why? I never understood why so many other shows that were obviously better sold way less. Moe crap sells I guess. When businesses and companies see those kinds of figure's they tend to produce more of the same product in hopes of sales. I would hate to see more MOE MOE KYUN IN THE FUTURE? It's one of those things you like once and gets old. I haven't lost complete faith in today's anime's yet or it's viewers. Bakemonogatari sold over 70,000 copies on just it's first volume. That's quality in my opinion and I can understand why it sold so much. "off topic again" |
| Generally it's in hentai so is laughable along with the rest of it, so it doesn't really bother me one way or the other. In other the rare examples of it happening in "regular" stories, it can be quite an interesting plot hook... if done properly. Often it's just lame and stupid like in hentai, though. The dumbest thing, I think, is in hentai when some dude rapes some random girl, and she starts really getting in to it, and/or they hook up afterwards. Do the writers really fantasise about that happening, or what. |
Drunk_Samurai said: That scene in Elfen Lied was because she didn't know anything at all so she didn't know what she was doing. It wasn't fanservice. It was part of teaching her right and wrong. The manga is much better than the anime anyway. Also lol at you saying it's degrading. AthenianMango said: I think it's amazing that people actually get turned on by rape scenes. How lonely/fucked up do you have to be to get a boner watching someone get raped?! I don't care if it's part of the plot, but it irritates me if it's used to turn a serious situation into a porno for socially inept people. Oh I get it. You're one of those morons who also think that lolicon encourages pedophilia and is child porn. It is fiction therefore your logic that people like that are lonely or fucked up is completely stupid. It's weird, I keep reading through my post but I can't find the part where I say lolicon encourages pedophilia. How odd. I think people getting off on little kids getting raped have serious issues. Why not just watch a porno with 2 people your own age if you want to jerk off so bad? |
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| cuz it's "fiction" hurf durf I think Drunk_Samurai means to say, "Because it's animated," but he can't seem to make that distinction. Real live pornography is (presumably) fiction, too (I mean, people in porn are usually mostly acting), so I guess if we had a couple of kids in some fictional pornography, or a woman getting raped in some fictional pornography, or a dad molesting his daughter in some fictional pornography, he'd be just fine with that. 'Cause it's fictional, right? Nobody once suggested that anything fictional would make someone go act out what they saw in real life (except for - surprise! - Drunk_Samurai), but that doesn't mean anybody spending too much time with this sort of thing isn't socially inept and possibly a bit depraved in his loneliness (which was all that AthenianMango actually said). And the moron says I can't read. Very funny. (He still didn't reply to my question, either.) |
AthenianMango said: Drunk_Samurai said: That scene in Elfen Lied was because she didn't know anything at all so she didn't know what she was doing. It wasn't fanservice. It was part of teaching her right and wrong. The manga is much better than the anime anyway. Also lol at you saying it's degrading. AthenianMango said: I think it's amazing that people actually get turned on by rape scenes. How lonely/fucked up do you have to be to get a boner watching someone get raped?! I don't care if it's part of the plot, but it irritates me if it's used to turn a serious situation into a porno for socially inept people. Oh I get it. You're one of those morons who also think that lolicon encourages pedophilia and is child porn. It is fiction therefore your logic that people like that are lonely or fucked up is completely stupid. It's weird, I keep reading through my post but I can't find the part where I say lolicon encourages pedophilia. How odd. I think people getting off on little kids getting raped have serious issues. Why not just watch a porno with 2 people your own age if you want to jerk off so bad? How would somebody who gets off on something fictional have serious issues? antitype said: cuz it's "fiction" hurf durf I think Drunk_Samurai means to say, "Because it's animated," but he can't seem to make that distinction. Real live pornography is (presumably) fiction, too (I mean, people in porn are usually mostly acting), so I guess if we had a couple of kids in some fictional pornography, or a woman getting raped in some fictional pornography, or a dad molesting his daughter in some fictional pornography, he'd be just fine with that. 'Cause it's fictional, right? Nobody once suggested that anything fictional would make someone go act out what they saw in real life (except for - surprise! - Drunk_Samurai), but that doesn't mean anybody spending too much time with this sort of thing isn't socially inept and possibly a bit depraved in his loneliness (which was all that AthenianMango actually said). And the moron says I can't read. Very funny. (He still didn't reply to my question, either.) They make laws against that kind of stuff anyway. Actually everything you mentioned would be actual child porn which is against the law. Well except the woman one which I would still have no problem with. Hardly anybody supports child porn. You can't read. At all. You're much too stupid to realize I did answer your question. How's the Special Olympics treating you? |
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Drunk_Samurai said: You can't read. At all. You're much too stupid to realize I did answer your question. How's the Special Olympics treating you? Oh fuck off, you're still dodging half of what I say. Have fun burying your head in your ass, retard. |
| I find this argument lolzy. Let me ask you this - who the hell takes porn seriously? Just about every porn I've watched was so ridiculous that I couldn't take it seriously{Especially hentai}. You know, even more so than a Quentin Tarantino movie. The thing is with porn is that it's suppose to appeal to someone's libido rather than create some sort of legitimate message. The people who create don't give a shit about creating a story or message when they make porn. Their intention is to make you fap. Whatever story or message they do make is purely for fetish or to actually create some sort of them for the porn or whatever. When it comes to rape, it's really how it's presented and in what genre it's under. In most cases rape is taken very seriously. Outside of porn, where have you seen rape supported or shown as a positive thing? Within porn, it's hardly the latter and former because the purpose of the media doesn't consider its message. But because of that, you really can't consider porn in of itself something to take seriously. Really, I think it's the over sensitization of nudity which causes an effect on someone more often than not. However, I fail to see how porn negatively affects someone as a person or even gives them a negative message about sex. Unless they've never been in the real world, rejected by woman for being perverts or had poor parental discretion. |
| Like DrewTheDude said, you people take porn too seriously. I have a saying "It's not who you are, it's just what you fap to". I fap to all sorts of disgusting stuff. Because I feel like it. I'm not afraid of what attracts me. I get the feeling that people are disgusted by this stuff because deep inside they're afraid they might like it. |
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| I usually felt quite sorry for the victim involve in it. My first article was about a girl got kidnap from a shopping mall and the police found her body with signs of sexual assault as well as sex toys lying around. I felt sick for a bit. I knew about these sort of crime happens everywhere, but reading about it makes me feel pretty uncomfortable. Today, I still feel that way, but only when I'm reading, I tend to forgot about it the moment my eyes left the newspaper/web article. As for anime... It depends on how well I like the victim character. Edit: For porn, I fap |
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Katsuri said: Define "strange". Now this is curious, but I don't think I want to try to have a serious discussion on the idea of rape fantasy on an anime forum. |
antitype said: Drunk_Samurai said: You can't read. At all. You're much too stupid to realize I did answer your question. How's the Special Olympics treating you? Oh fuck off, you're still dodging half of what I say. Have fun burying your head in your ass, retard. I'm not dodging anything. It must be awesome to be a troll. |
Katsuri said: Define "strange". Oh now aren't you a smartass for bringing up such a conundrum. |
DrewTheDudeFeb 27, 2010 11:44 AM
| After watching Mnemosyne, I can definitely say that watching women getting raped in anime is disturbing. There's way too much raping of women in real life already, and to see it happen in anime as well is just...wrong. But if it's rape the other way, then it's HOT. And that hardly happens in real life, therefore it's easier to accept that it's just fiction. |
StephanBlackhawk said: As long as something is going into something I don't care. I must say i absolutly agree ^^ |
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njasis said: There's way too much raping of women in real life already, and to see it happen in anime as well is just...wrong. Outside of third world and overpopulated second world countries, can you give me statistics that prove that it happens "way too much?" |
| Mmh for me its not that disturbing, of course its another thing in real life, but anime/manga is just fiction so I don't care about it that much. |
Music is about enjoying sound~njasis said: After watching Mnemosyne, I can definitely say that watching women getting raped in anime is disturbing. There's way too much raping of women in real life already, and to see it happen in anime as well is just...wrong. But if it's rape the other way, then it's HOT. And that hardly happens in real life, therefore it's easier to accept that it's just fiction. It's fiction so it can't be wrong. DrewTheDude said: njasis said: There's way too much raping of women in real life already, and to see it happen in anime as well is just...wrong. Outside of third world and overpopulated second world countries, can you give me statistics that prove that it happens "way too much?" You don't need statistics to know that even 1 rape is far too many. |
Drunk_Samurai said: njasis said: After watching Mnemosyne, I can definitely say that watching women getting raped in anime is disturbing. There's way too much raping of women in real life already, and to see it happen in anime as well is just...wrong. But if it's rape the other way, then it's HOT. And that hardly happens in real life, therefore it's easier to accept that it's just fiction. It's fiction so it can't be wrong. DrewTheDude said: njasis said: There's way too much raping of women in real life already, and to see it happen in anime as well is just...wrong. Outside of third world and overpopulated second world countries, can you give me statistics that prove that it happens "way too much?" You don't need statistics to know that even 1 rape is far too many. agreed o_O |
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Drunk Samurai said: You don't need statistics to know that even 1 rape is far too many. You do if you want to classify it as a legitimate problem. |
| Girl raping a guy? YES. Guy raping a girl? NO. But either way, i don't watch or read these kinds of stuff. |
DrewTheDude said: Drunk Samurai said: You don't need statistics to know that even 1 rape is far too many. You do if you want to classify it as a legitimate problem. Any time a rape happens means it is a legitimate problem. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Any time a rape happens means it is a legitimate problem. I really don't see how rape become a national problem because some chick had the misfortune of being raped. It's not that big of deal around here... |
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