Sound! Euphonium (light novel)
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Oct 15, 2016 4:48 AM
#1
I want to know if there is yuri in this anime? I plan to watch it from the first season but i am hesitating because it seems to have heavy yuri. To be honest i can't watch anime with yuri especially heavy ones but i liked a song in this anime when i accidentally played it in YT that's why i got interested with the anime and i don't have problems with music genre in anime. |
Oct 15, 2016 5:50 AM
#2
This show doesn't have any straightfoward yuri like something you get from Sakura trick, but it surely does have some yuri undertones in it |
Oct 15, 2016 6:42 AM
#3
Has heavy yuri undertones, but whether it is just yuribait or not itself is debatable. |
Oct 15, 2016 8:11 AM
#4
Pure yuri bait, nothing interesting |
Oct 15, 2016 8:18 AM
#5
It's not hard yuri, they tease and it's it but the scenes are in a serious tone |
Oct 15, 2016 11:04 AM
#7
Surprisingly people still think it's yuri and I dont blame them. Kyoani can be extremely baity at times. It's roller coaster ride for sure. |
Oct 15, 2016 10:46 PM
#8
I seriously need this show to be like 10 times more gay. I wanted them to kiss in the first season, but now it seems hopeless because she's way into the teacher. ;_; |
Oct 15, 2016 10:48 PM
#9
Okay, thanks for the insight guys. I might try this and see for myself. |
Oct 15, 2016 10:52 PM
#10
All I can say is, if it doesn't have Yuri, much destruction and chaos will ensue. Hopefully internally, but there are no guarantees. I already broke enough hypothetical monitors thanks to the intense baiting in the first season #savethemonitorslettherebeyuri |
Oct 16, 2016 1:26 AM
#11
pejahmein said: At which point do meaningful relationships between women turn into something you can no longer watch, or tolerate?To be honest i can't watch anime with yuri .... Can you give some examples of depictions of homosexuality you find unbearable? |
Oct 23, 2016 7:59 AM
#12
Oct 25, 2016 10:26 PM
#13
there's no yuri at all. Just yuri bait for some part, but it's more a representation of the admiration of Kumiko for reina, and for reina, it's the representation of her feeling that she finnaly find someone like her. For each other, their relationship are deeper and more important that a simple crush or romantic relationships. It's a life and unique friendships. |
Oct 25, 2016 11:44 PM
#14
pejahmein said: I want to know. I saw two very intimate girls, highschoolers for sure, in a food-court inside a mall today, approaching from a distance, walking with their arms locked and poking each other on the cheeks with their other hands, while joking and laughing. For some strange reason they somehow reminded me of two fictional characters. As I was waiting for my friends to join me and calmly sat on a table near the counter, I could hear them very clearly as they stood on the rather long queue formed in the busiest hour of the day to place their orders. They were teasing each other about this boy they like in their class. At that very moment, I thought "Oh! Kumiko and Reina IRL". That's basically Hibike! Euphonium's relationship. They are closer than any romantic relationship can ever be. There is no physical attraction but the bond they share can top any romance, any day, everyday. What you really need to know here should be something different. Different people have different ways to perceive different situations. So, my advise would be that you give the anime a try. It is one of the most well-written stories in years. The anime we see nowadays are rather pitiful. Very few anime out there today have very well constructed stories like Hibike! Euphonium. If you pay attention to the details that are put in the writing of the script, the screenplay and direction, you would know why they easily stand out from the rest. It's not all about animation and art. The things that truly give life to a story are how the characters can be identified, how the characters interact, how they develop and how the story progresses and comes back to the origin that it wanted to convey in the beginning by the end of it, or at least come pretty close to it. The only few I can think of from hoards of anime in the last few years that had very well written stories alongside Hibike! Euphonium are Bakuman, Chihayafuru, Gin no Saji, Gintama°, Haikyuu!!, Nagi no Asukara, Shouwa Rakugo, Shirobako and Uchuu Kyoudai (written in alphabetical order). There could be one or two that I missed but that's pretty much all I could think of when it comes to well-written stories. If I were to pick only few from the above titles, Hibike! Euphonium would come within my top three picks. |
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Oct 26, 2016 11:56 AM
#15
I'm glad there is neither Yuri nor shoujo ai in this. |
Oct 26, 2016 6:22 PM
#16
No, this show has no yuri not will it ever have yuri unless it changes the relationships from the original work. |
Oct 27, 2016 4:33 PM
#17
shanimebib said: pejahmein said: I want to know. That's basically Hibike! Euphonium's relationship. They are closer than any romantic relationship can ever be. There is no physical attraction but the bond they share can top any romance, any day, everyday. No physical attraction... XD hmm... really? You sure? |
Oct 28, 2016 3:34 AM
#18
Nothing which show sexual contact are show in this anime. But friendship lead also to want some contact with the other person, physically or spiritually speaking. All the yuri stuff is only a speculation thing, and KyoAni plays with that (and too much and for free in this second season for me), but says this show contain yuri scene is a false. |
Oct 28, 2016 3:49 AM
#19
blowing into holes maybe. |
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Oct 28, 2016 6:25 AM
#20
There are yuri undertones. and some scenes can be so gaaaay. But you know, this is kyoani, and all they do is tease and tease lol |
Oct 28, 2016 9:08 AM
#21
Erika___ said: But you know, this is kyoani, and all they do is tease and tease lol I have a feeling the days of teasing only will come to an end with this as it contains shoujo-ai. |
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Oct 28, 2016 10:06 PM
#22
shanimebib said: Erika___ said: But you know, this is kyoani, and all they do is tease and tease lol I have a feeling the days of teasing only will come to an end with this as it contains shoujo-ai. wow, seems like kyoani is making an anime every season.. but i dont see shoujo-ai tag in that anime though |
Oct 28, 2016 10:13 PM
#23
Erika___ said: shanimebib said: Erika___ said: But you know, this is kyoani, and all they do is tease and tease lol I have a feeling the days of teasing only will come to an end with this as it contains shoujo-ai. wow, seems like kyoani is making an anime every season.. but i dont see shoujo-ai tag in that anime though Reading is believing. Read the manga and decide whether it contains shoujo-ai or not. |
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Dec 28, 2016 7:24 PM
#24
shanimebib said: What if the two girls became lovers? How would that change the meaning of your line, a line which reads like a life sentence..... They are closer than any romantic relationship can ever be... They are already closer than most lovers will ever be, but now they start dating... Would that change their closeness or might their decision to get into a romantic relationship with each other falsify your assertion? [in terms of emotional bonds] |
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Dec 28, 2016 8:17 PM
#25
Seahorse_Kid said: I seriously need this show to be like 10 times more gay. I wanted them to kiss in the first season, but now it seems hopeless because she's way into the teacher. ;_; Ahh those ships may never sail |
Dec 28, 2016 8:20 PM
#26
Brb said: Has heavy yuri undertones, but whether it is just yuribait or not itself is debatable. You mean "debaitable?" Ah! Ahh! |
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Dec 31, 2016 1:25 AM
#27
shanimebib said: ... There is no physical attraction but the bond they share can top any romance, any day, everyday.... VersoSciolto said: .... Contrary to what has been suggested, however, I do think Kumiko was physically attracted to Reina..... The conversation is a bit scattered but can be linked through a few connected words and phrases here and there. |
Dec 31, 2016 2:45 AM
#28
VersoSciolto said: shanimebib said: ... There is no physical attraction but the bond they share can top any romance, any day, everyday.... VersoSciolto said: .... Contrary to what has been suggested, however, I do think Kumiko was physically attracted to Reina..... The conversation is a bit scattered but can be linked through a few connected words and phrases here and there. Now's not the time for shipping. Now's the time for appreciating. Let's just shift the focus on this and this instead. That's what I am doing right now. :D |
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Dec 31, 2016 3:23 AM
#29
shanimebib said: You think all those comments we wrote were "shipping"?Now's not the time for shipping. Now's the time for appreciating. Let's just shift the focus on this and this instead. That's what I am doing right now. :D |
Dec 31, 2016 12:03 PM
#30
VersoSciolto said: shanimebib said: You think all those comments we wrote were "shipping"?Now's not the time for shipping. Now's the time for appreciating. Let's just shift the focus on this and this instead. That's what I am doing right now. :D They were not? Looks like I wasn't paying attention. Disregard everything I have said on this anime up until now. :) |
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Dec 31, 2016 5:34 PM
#31
shanimebib said: They were observations about our society - about love and representation explored through the Kyoani's lenses and our own eyes with references to other arts like music and literature. They were about the limitations of spoken language and the pitfalls of non-verbal communication. Speaking only for myself I can say here and now that my written comments were never as narrow as I understand the meaning of "shipping". "Shipping", to me sounds somewhat demeaning. The topics were too profound for that. In my opinion. VersoSciolto said: shanimebib said: Now's not the time for shipping. Now's the time for appreciating. Let's just shift the focus on this and this instead. That's what I am doing right now. :D They were not? Looks like I wasn't paying attention. Disregard everything I have said on this anime up until now. :) |
Dec 31, 2016 5:58 PM
#32
There's no actual Yuri but there are multiple Yuri undertones. If you want actual Yuri, go watch Yuru Yuri, Sakura Trick, or to some extent Akuma no Riddle, or the one show that's called Chocolate. I just can't remember the entire name. |
Dec 31, 2016 7:33 PM
#33
SymphoniacTippy said: When you answer a question like that, do you wonder about the real world implications of such questions?There's no actual Yuri but there are multiple Yuri undertones.... Do you wonder if we are required to politely inform someone like "pejahmein" about the presence or absence of lesbians in a series? How about in the real world? Should gay people stay in the closet so that someone like "pejahmein" doesn't have to see lesbians when she or he is out and about? Would it be ok if lesbians walked around in the kind of world "pejahmein" might envision? Only ok as long as those gay people refrain from public displays of intimacy? Where do we draw the line in accommodating? At what point does the level of discomfort become so great that we shouldn't tolerate that? When do we stop answering questions like that with suggestions that it is ok to watch a particular series because there aren't any easily identifiable lesbians in that particular story? Is questioning the questionable OP, too much to ask? Hope you don't mind me asking. Hope you don't mind me suggesting that I would rather live in a world where these threads are no longer deemed necessary anymore because there is nothing unsightly about the depiction of meaningful relationships between women - not even heavy "yuri" ones. |
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Dec 31, 2016 11:43 PM
#34
pejahmein said: I hope I haven't made too many assumptions about you. Maybe you are yourself a lesbian who just wants to be able to watch some entertainment without being reminded about your own life? As an escape from reality, maybe? Is that how it is, pejahmein? Is that why you prefer not to watch yuri, perhaps?I want to know if there is yuri in this anime? I plan to watch it from the first season but i am hesitating because it seems to have heavy yuri. To be honest i can't watch anime with yuri especially heavy ones but i liked a song in this anime when i accidentally played it in YT that's why i got interested with the anime and i don't have problems with music genre in anime. |
Dec 31, 2016 11:49 PM
#35
Jan 1, 2017 5:45 AM
#36
Bowie said: What do you think about the question itself? Do you mind if I ask why you are willing to accommodate pejahmein?The fan art of this series that looks a lot like the official art has more Yuri than the anime. |
Jan 1, 2017 8:40 AM
#37
VersoSciolto said: SymphoniacTippy said: When you answer a question like that, do you wonder about the real world implications of such questions?There's no actual Yuri but there are multiple Yuri undertones.... Do you wonder if we are required to politely inform someone like "pejahmein" about the presence or absence of lesbians in a series? How about in the real world? Should gay people stay in the closet so that someone like "pejahmein" doesn't have to see lesbians when she or he is out and about? Would it be ok if lesbians walked around in the kind of world "pejahmein" might envision? Only ok as long as those gay people refrain from public displays of intimacy? Where do we draw the line in accommodating? At what point does the level of discomfort become so great that we shouldn't tolerate that? When do we stop answering questions like that with suggestions that it is ok to watch a particular series because there aren't any easily identifiable lesbians in that particular story? Is questioning the questionable OP, too much to ask? Hope you don't mind me asking. Hope you don't mind me suggesting that I would rather live in a world where these threads are no longer deemed necessary anymore because there is nothing unsightly about the depiction of meaningful relationships between women - not even heavy "yuri" ones. What if you're reading way too much into it. People ask if there's action in a series. If there's romance. If the guy/girl is bespectacled. If it focuses on sports. People can decide to watch a show for a particular characteristic in it. People can decide not to watch a show because of a particular characteristic. I may not like tsundere characters, for example. By your reasoning nobody would be allowed to even know what a show is about, because searching for something in particular in a show would be demeaning. What if OP wanted to see friendship depicted here? What if OP didn't want any romance? What if OP wanted heterosexual romance to project him/herself into the story? Being offended by this thread makes no sense. As much as you possibly losing interest in a show where yuri never happens isn't offensive towards anyone. |
Jan 1, 2017 8:49 AM
#38
thelumpur said: The OP can answer that way if that is what the OP had in mind. Cutting through all the assumptions...What if you're reading way too much into it. People ask if there's action in a series. If there's romance. If the guy/girl is bespectacled. If it focuses on sports. People can decide to watch a show for a particular characteristic in it. People can decide not to watch a show because of a particular characteristic. I may not like tsundere characters, for example. By your reasoning nobody would be allowed to even know what a show is about, because searching for something in particular in a show would be demeaning. What if OP wanted to see friendship depicted here? What if OP didn't want any romance? What if OP wanted heterosexual romance to project him/herself into the story? Being offended by this thread makes no sense. As much as you possibly losing interest in a show where yuri never happens isn't offensive towards anyone. What if I'm not reading too much into it, though? What -if anything- would you say is the difference between the examples you give and the actual topic of the OP's question? Why the need to sound so dismissive of the possibility that I might be asking the right questions? Thanks for pointing them out though and for assuming I had not thought of that option... |
Jan 1, 2017 9:56 AM
#39
VersoSciolto said: thelumpur said: The OP can answer that way if that is what the OP had in mind. Cutting through all the assumptions...What if you're reading way too much into it. People ask if there's action in a series. If there's romance. If the guy/girl is bespectacled. If it focuses on sports. People can decide to watch a show for a particular characteristic in it. People can decide not to watch a show because of a particular characteristic. I may not like tsundere characters, for example. By your reasoning nobody would be allowed to even know what a show is about, because searching for something in particular in a show would be demeaning. What if OP wanted to see friendship depicted here? What if OP didn't want any romance? What if OP wanted heterosexual romance to project him/herself into the story? Being offended by this thread makes no sense. As much as you possibly losing interest in a show where yuri never happens isn't offensive towards anyone. What if I'm not reading too much into it, though? What -if anything- would you say is the difference between the examples you give and the actual topic of the OP's question? Why the need to sound so dismissive of the possibility that I might be asking the right questions? Thanks for pointing them out though and for assuming I had not thought of that option... First of all, I'm not assuming anything about you, I do bring a point of view in an argument, that you can later oppose. Or is it that I don't understand how a forum works. On the contrary, I realized you had thought about it before, and I brought it up exactly to read your opinion about it. OP doesn't like yuri. Yuri is a genre, not a symbol of freedom of self-expression. I'd even say that sometimes yuri can be even degrading to homosexuals, as it is more often than not exploited as fanservice. Not liking yuri doesn't mean not being supportive of homosexual relationships. It means not having interest in that type of fiction. And since fiction is usually a mean to escape from real life and daydream, it's no wonder that people will look for the show in which the cute girl/hot guy falls for a character that can represent the viewer. That's the entire point of the harem genre (which I strongly dislike), for example. People tend to prefer stories in which the more relatable character is the one who gets the win (be it in romance or other things). Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be disappointed if in a love triangle in which a girl and a boy fight for another girl, the boy comes victorious? Can you honestly say you wouldn't even consider avoiding a show knowing this element beforehand? Is there something wrong with it? Nope. It's fiction. Playing a first person shooter doesn't mean I can't be a pacifist. This example doesn't make quite the same impact to us, but what if you made it to someone who has experienced war? We should always be able to separate the words of fiction and reality, and berating someone we don't even know based on a not insulting post on a forum seems to me way more loaded with prejudice than what you think you're fighting against. Finally, a suggestion on a more personal level: all this series of "hoping" makes it for a very condescending way of arguing, that certainly doesn't help making people want to join in a discussion. I'd rather you tell me directly that you think I spouted a lot of stupid stuff. |
Jan 1, 2017 5:57 PM
#40
... yet, good faith is assumed from the OP. As a thought experiment we could put comments on sliding scales and judge them on a few separate but related criteria. Line 1: a. Rank the questions, sentences or words in this and other threads about this topic from most offensive to least offensive and b. Designate a neutral point somewhere along that line beyond which it would become inappropriate. Line 2: Rank the questions based on their effectiveness in soliciting responses. Line 3: Add lines I may have overlooked or intentionally omitted. Why didn't anyone else ask the OP why he wanted to know? Is that question in itself inappropriate or does it depend on the tone? Why did you, yourself, not respond until I crossed some neutral point on one of such plotted lines? Yuri is a genre. It is, arguably, also a euphemism for lesbian. Some may say they are the same. Some may say there is some overlap. Others may well argue there isn't real overlap at all. Yuri is fictional. A character. The other word more likely represents a real person. Some may say that using "some may say" in an argument is resorting to logical fallacy. Who said it and why was it said? Asking that would bring us back to the OP. Who has not returned to elaborate. Is that too much to expect? If we substitute the word yuri in the OP's question at which point does the question seem inappropriate? Hyperbole alert. I don't need to give examples. You know where this is going by inference. Genuine, reasonable concern or have we stepped on an other logical fallacy, the slippery slope. Comments I've seen: If Kyoani doesn't give us a yuri ending we're going to burn their studio. If Shuuichi starts dating Kumiko we're going to put yuri-fans on suicide watch. I'm sure you can come up with examples of your own. I'm sure you've also seen the responses to such strongly expressed sentiments. Perhaps you've also seen the term "almost criminal" pop up in comments. At times taken out of context. Did the meaning change? Which -if any- of the remarks you've seen in these threads comes closest to being criminal? Is there such a thing as criminal language in a conversation like this? Why did the OP ask? So far you've only mentioned one side of the neutral point. Would that be a fair assessment of your position? If, not I apologise for asking offensive questions. Apologise for sounding condescending. |
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Jan 2, 2017 8:19 PM
#41
Hopeful. How can I remain hopeful in the face of this, selective pick from earlier comments by the OP and others - left in a thread about a series that bears some similarities with Hibike!. In the category “almost criminal”, as I see it. At times taken out of context. Did the meaning change? To deflect criticism levelled at posters who don’t want to see "gays" in anime the nazis were invoked. Not as a warning but as an attempt to take the sting out of the word "homophobe". To diffuse anticipated criticism for their choices in anime, a poster attempts to appropriate the tyrannical regime which put gay people in camps. Referenced to justify not listening to those who might call him and his friends "intolerant" or "homophobic" for not wanting to see a gay character in a relationship with a teacher. Pejamein, remained silent after that insight was offered in that thread. Offered after Pejamein wondered out loud if it is really so bad to be labled a homophobe on the internet. Offered as justification for his choices? You don't know me. That is correct. I don't. I only have your words to go by. Is it really so bad to ask follow up questions? Do you think Pejamein would have been more forthcoming with an explanation if the question had been rephrased from: "At which point do meaningful relationships between women turn into something you can no longer watch, or tolerate? Can you give some examples of depictions of homosexuality you find unbearable?" - which is how I broached the topic, with as much politeness as I could muster at the time. Did you look at those earlier comments Pejamein wrote? It is correct in that I don't know Pejamein in real life. Pejamein can return to explain the grounds for preferring not to see gays in anime. Perhaps I assumed the wrong motives. Perhaps I should have been more hopeful and not assumed the worse possible scenario. But how could I? Honestly... If you think it is possible to ask in a more polite manner and get an honest response, please, by all means, give it a try. Because I don't want to. I'd rather eat crow. |
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Jan 3, 2017 6:55 PM
#42
thelumpur said: I think yuri is a symbol of freedom of self-expression. Censorship exists in Japan but it is arguably also a place where such expressions are tolerated and sometimes encouraged. That isn't true everywhere. Perhaps we take certain forms of expression and self-expression for granted.OP doesn't like yuri. Yuri is a genre, not a symbol of freedom of self-expression. I'd even say that sometimes yuri can be even degrading to homosexuals, as it is more often than not exploited as fanservice. Not liking yuri doesn't mean not being supportive of homosexual relationships. It means not having interest in that type of fiction. And since fiction is usually a mean to escape from real life and daydream, it's no wonder that people will look for the show in which the cute girl/hot guy falls for a character that can represent the viewer. That's the entire point of the harem genre (which I strongly dislike), for example. People tend to prefer stories in which the more relatable character is the one who gets the win (be it in romance or other things). Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be disappointed if in a love triangle in which a girl and a boy fight for another girl, the boy comes victorious? Can you honestly say you wouldn't even consider avoiding a show knowing this element beforehand? Is there something wrong with it? Nope. It's fiction. Playing a first person shooter doesn't mean I can't be a pacifist. This example doesn't make quite the same impact to us, but what if you made it to someone who has experienced war? We should always be able to separate the words of fiction and reality, and berating someone we don't even know based on a not insulting post on a forum seems to me way more loaded with prejudice than what you think you're fighting against. Finally, a suggestion on a more personal level: all this series of "hoping" makes it for a very condescending way of arguing, that certainly doesn't help making people want to join in a discussion. I'd rather you tell me directly that you think I spouted a lot of stupid stuff. I agree with you when you write that not all "yuri" is respectful of homosexuality and that some depictions of lesbians in yuri stories can be degrading and exploitative. I'm not entirely sure if those are the reasons why Pejamein didn't wan to see gay people in the two series on which that poster commented publicly. I think I can, ... honestly say that I wouldn't be disappointed if in a love triangle in which a girl and a boy fight for another girl, the boy comes victorious. And I can also honestly say I wouldn't even consider avoiding a show knowing this element beforehand. Because it depends on the characters, their personalities and their circumstances. I drop series and I avoid series but it isn't done a-priori on the forewarning that the characters have a particular sexual orientation. Example: Aoi Hana with a comment behind spoilers, just in case. Mentioned because of my own obliviousness even knowing it was a lesbian story. For the longest time it never dawned on me that Akira, the childhood friend, wasn't, a presumably heterosexual, supportive friend for Fumi - the same way another poster commented on the story in the threads for the series. When it was made clear Akira had been the first girl Fumi had ever fallen in love with it still didn't dawn on me that Akira was the enduring love of Fumi's life. ... and even more so for not seeing their relationship as lasting -or desirable- after the second reconnection. I'm still not entirely convinced Akira wasn't merely accommodating Fumi's desires. Not entirely convinced that she didn't agree to start dating her for fear of losing Fumi again as a friend. I thought their break up was very realistic and kinda wanted both of them to find other people to date and build relationships, lasting relationships, while they reconnected as friends. Akira and Fumi living together at the end of the series was very sweet and doesn't preclude that Akira isn't strictly speaking a lesbian, not entirely, but it can also be used to demonstrate that either Akira did indeed love Fumi as a lesbian or didn't think the other elements of a relationship were as important as their friendship - their emotional bond. If Akira had been revealed to have been dating men during the interim period of their second separation, after their break up but before reconnecting at Kyoko’s wedding, I don't think that would have disappointed or shocked me in the least. While for others with whom I talked about the series that suggestion was complete anathema. I was called a total idiot for not thinking that Akira was someone just slightly slower in discovering her sexuality and the true nature of her -sexual- attraction for Fumi. Throughout most of the series I assumed Fumi’s experience with her relative and her dating her upperclassman were the primary lesbian women and same sex elements in the story. I thought it was about coming to terms with the heart break caused by them. Akira as a love interest took me by surprise. But in some respects I may even have favoured a boyfriend in Akira's life even though there was never an actual boy in the picture for Akira. Let alone one depicted as a rival. Yet I might have rooted for the right boy here - if one had appeared. |
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Jan 8, 2017 4:09 PM
#43
I dont think its yuri bait. Not in any traditional sense. The path Reina and Kumiko are on right now could 100% lead to yuri without any suspension of disbelief at all. |
Jan 9, 2017 7:16 AM
#44
Jan 18, 2017 4:28 PM
#45
It looks like you've rejoined the conversation on these topics, Shanimebib. In a round about way even responded to me again. Should I consider that an invitation to continue our conversation or were you perhaps assuming that my last few comments in that other thread applied to all possible threads on these matters beyond that one thread on that one forum? Please let me know, For now, I'm picking this up here from these lines again. shanimebib said: Kumiko feels an emotional bond with Reina and that is a very important aspect of their relationship but Kumiko doesn’t only feel an emotional bond with Reina. She also admires Reina for her musical abilities and what Kumiko perceives as Reina’s personality, Reina’s words and actions on their way to the top of Mt. Daikichi solidify those impressions Kumiko has of Reina’s character, but those aren’t the only things that attract Kumiko to Reina.They are closer than any romantic relationship can ever be. There is no physical attraction but the bond they share can top any romance, any day, everyday. When Kumiko remarks on Reina’s physical beauty she expresses attraction to that aspect of Reina as well. In addition to an emotional bond, which developed further over the rest of the series and is very important to their ongoing relationship at the end of the second season, there are also several points in both seasons where Kumiko is depicted as being stunned by Reina’s -physical- appearance. The physical aspects of Reina attract Kumiko to Reina as well. I think what Kumiko experiences in those moments can be described as physical attraction. Season 1, Episode 8: Subtitles for Kumiko's voice over narration sharing with us her inner thoughts when they go up Mt Daikichi together: “Kousaka’s snow-white dress, and the cool, blue air filled my head with the snow maiden. (Yuki-onna). This must be how it feels to lose your life drawn to a beautiful thing, despite your fears." That is a remark about physicality and she indicates attraction. In addition to that ... At no point in that voice over narration does Kumiko ever mention a boy. From what the animators revealed to us about her thoughts -through Kumiko's voice over- we get the impression that Kumiko's head is filled with Reina, a beautiful girl. She bonds with her on an emotional level and allows her logical thoughts to be overridden by emotions. Kumiko fell in love that evening and the person she fell in love with was Reina. On every level, Emotional and physical, Kumiko is attracted to her. Reikuo wrote: "I dont think its yuri bait. Not in any traditional sense. The path Reina and Kumiko are on right now could 100% lead to yuri without any suspension of disbelief at all." I agree with that even now to some extent. The path is still left open. But even if the path closed at some point, even if the real possibility ended right at the end of that dream like eighth episode of the first season, there was a real potential for their relationship to lead to a "yuri" or lesbian relationship. "... without any suspension of disbelief at all" Shanimebib, you wrote about Reina and Kumiko: "They are closer than any romantic relationship can ever be [ ...] the bond they share can top any romance, any day" If they start(ed) dating that closeness wouldn't necessarily be erased. They could have a romantic relationship on the very basis of their strong emotional bonds and that would not negatively affect their closeness. Their emotional closeness is not precluded by dating in a romantic sense. Neither does it automatically imply that their closeness is sexual in nature -or must be- in order for them to start dating. Kumiko's physical attraction to Reina does not have to translate into sexual activity. It could but does not have to. It might but does not have to. Many different relationships exist. Many different romantic relationships exist. If their bonds did develop into something sexual that too would be fine. The possibilities were there, some might say they are still there. They are teenagers with most of their lives ahead of them. Maybe they take different paths and that too is something to consider and discuss. In a more general sense. Perhaps in a more abstract sense. Forget about Hibike! for a moment. Forget about Kumiko and Reina for a moment. Forget about the gender of any and all partners in a romantic relationship. Think only about the implications of what you wrote: "They are closer than any romantic relationship can ever be". Do you really think that is true for people who are just starting a romantic relationship? Do you think that is true for people who have been in a romantic relationship for a while, or true for people who have been in a romantic relationship for most of their lives? A couple married for decades, do you not consider that your assertion might not apply to all of those people? "They are closer than any romantic relationship can ever be." Do you really think there aren't any romantic relationships built on the strong bonds of friendship? That's what your line seems to be implying. I'm not saying those are the only possible romantic relationships but I think your comment doesn't do justice to the romantic relationships of many people. Romantic relationship doesn't preclude strong bonds, not necessarily. Not automatically. I doubt you disagree with what I just wrote. It depends on the partners. Now think about Kumiko and Reina again, do you really think the bonds between all those other people who have been in romantic relationships -over the thousands of years of human existence- is weaker than the bond shared between those two young women? Do you really think that the bonds between all those other couples is or was weaker than the bond between Kumiko and Reina? The story of Hibike isn't only about these question but they are legitimate questions for this series. I think the series would have been watchable regardless of the resolution of the "romantic" relationships. I'll reiterate that I think the series is also a great conversation starter. Some people tune out when they see certain relationships on screen. The OP would prefer not to see particularly people of the same sex or gender in certain relationships. Without explaining why. Are you not curious about pejahmein's motivation for starting this topic? A recurring topic for this series... A thread running through most of the conversations about Hibike!. There are various levels of attraction between the members of the cast. All options are interesting to explore and even imagine ... speculate. Based on the personalities. Based on how the characters are depicted. Not a-priori. Why didn't you ask pejahmein why this thread was created? Why didn't you ask Pejahmein directly what motivates pejahmein to avoid watching certain relationships on screen? Heavy Yuri? What does that mean? Both Reina and Kumiko are slim. They don't look heavy... |
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Jan 18, 2017 5:21 PM
#47
Yeah I will, Reina x Kumiko FTW. Sadly it's bait exclusively |
Jan 18, 2017 5:22 PM
#48
DICKamaru said: I think it is worth a look either way. A critical look, in some respects, but worth a look all the same. That's my take on it.If it does I'll watch it lol |
Jan 18, 2017 5:25 PM
#49
VersoSciolto said: DICKamaru said: I think it is worth a look either way. A critical look, in some respects, but worth a look all the same. That's my take on it.If it does I'll watch it lol I'll check either way then, thanks man |
Jan 18, 2017 10:04 PM
#50
Although I'm sure OP considers the issue resolved, I thought this is still an interesting topic, so I figure I'd give my 2c -- especially when so many people are claiming this show is not Yuri. First, yes. I think there is Yuri. Now, maybe people have different views on what yuri is. I consider any subject matter dealing with lesbian romance, feelings, and actions to be yuri. Strictly speaking, there need not be an open relationship or any sort of physical relationship between any characters in order to classify it as having yuri. Why I consider it yuri I will explain a little further below. The second point is whether or not the show is about yuri. Now, I've asserted that there IS yuri in the show, but a more important question is what the show is really about? Is it about music? Is it about relationships? Is it a coming of age story? Is it about following your dreams? Well. It's a good mix of all, however, I think the main theme of the show is relationships. Not just necessarily romantic ones, but also ones of friendship, rivalry, admiration, and even relationships that are so confusing that it's hard to put a finger on what they exactly are. With that in mind, whether or not the main focus of the relationships is on yuri is up for debate. I don't want to spoil the plot, so it will suffice to say that the ending definitely sends a mixed message about the overall plot of the show, so I think there is room to argue either way. Now, why do I think the show has yuri? Well, that's rather simple. Without giving away too much plot, it is quite clear that Kumiko has feelings for Reina. Part of the journey is figuring out what those feelings are, but I have no doubt that they are approaching romantic feelings. Moreover, depending on how you interpret the ending, I think there is a good possibility that what we saw was a romance in bloom. You also have to consider what kind of message the show sends when the show ends on this specific note (pun intended). How a show ends is very important to the overall meaning of the plot. Finally, I think several characters showed romantic interest in others, even if it was one sided. Of course, there are a few really bait-y scenes thrown in, I won't lie. Some of which are, again, quite puzzling since they show a mixed message about people's feelings. But then again, don't we all send mixed signals from time to time? Perhaps another interesting question would be if this is a good show for those who are into yuri. I would say, yes and no. It's a good show regardless, but the occasional yuri-bait (sorry I lack a better term) scenes they throw in frustrated me more than anything. The yuri undertones were very well done and I just heard myself screaming on the inside for more. But instead, they tease and tease with not much of a payoff. Granted, the resolution was quite elegant. Maybe that's what fascinates me the most about how the did the show. They managed to somehow make the show feel like yuri without overtly dealing with the subject. It's difficult not to appreciate. As someone who's into yuri, I'd say this is above shows like Sakura Trick, Strawberry Panic, and Yuru Yuri, albeit they are all quite different. I'd say this one is pretty safe to watch with people who aren't into yuri (god knows for what reason). |
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