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natsu791 said: Thug_Gou said: How sure are you that they are gonna die? How sure are you that there's a lower chance of success? You may have a point in that but they shouldn't have used the same experiment to other people (who did not give their consent), because Nori already knows the risks involved. They could've altered it, they could've used the researchers bodies themselves, they could've opened up the victim's bodies, cause where tf is that chip at? I am 100% percentage sure. They can't feel pain and unable to feel pain isn't a gift. You can die any time without even realized that you are hurted. It's almost 0 chance of success. They can't even connect to each other pain, feeling, and they have 0 emotion at this point. Those kids in the first experiment never want this either so it's not about who should be use or not. It's about if this experiment make sense or not. Meh fck science. I still stand by my point Also... What this guy said..... Fuchs23 said: Yeah. First experiment is failure and she is main victim. What she does? She supports people who did this to her. She supports new experiment on the group of innocent people (without their consent). Is that right? Is that wise? You worship her because she is dumb? Well she is cute and dumb. Many people will like it. |
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| Sonozaki should have told Kacchon about this...you know, honesty and trust...I am generally not a fan of characters who are apathic although she has a reason for this, not her fault. Poor kid. |
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Fuchs23 said: Yeah. First experiment is failure and she is main victim. What she does? She supports people who did this to her. She supports new experiment on the group of innocent people (without their consent). Is that right? Is that wise? You worship her because she is dumb? Well she is cute and dumb. Many people will like it. Nah It's just like I'm don't know if I care for this characters, I sort of did and didn't at the same time which is weird. At this point I just want to see someone smiling and be happy with their life. On the serious note, I don't approved Norika's act but I do get why she does that. May be she wanted to share her pain and feeling after all these years to someone. It's selfish and rather sad. |
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| I like how they added that short scene with Tenga and redhead chick to show the viewers they didn't forget about them. |
HalAnime said: Nori-chan's endured the pain of 19 kids during her childhood, added on to each time Katsuhira got bullied. Nori-chan has suffered soo much (T_T) The last scene hit the feels hard.  Somehow this picture makes Noriko looks like: A) A girl who really cared about the other kids and endured all the pain alone and now wants to find a way to fix it. B) A girl with a lot of hidden resentment who wants to get her pain away at any cost as she have said in the previous episode. Pick one and think for a while because I can't see a 3rd choice anywhere. Damn this episode... Hisomu is a truly bro, even being a weird guy he gave more support to Katsuhira in one episode more than what Chidori gave in the entire series. That scene with Tenga X Chidori...jesus christ Tenga should give up, the obsession of Chidori with Katsuhira is just too heavy to be dealt with, the same can be said to Yuta and Maki. |
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Fuchs23 said: Yeah. First experiment is failure and she is main victim. What she does? She supports people who did this to her. She supports new experiment on the group of innocent people (without their consent). Is that right? Is that wise? You worship her because she is dumb? Well she is cute and dumb. Many people will like it. Not nice to make fun of people for their brain damage. |
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GuidedCursor said: Fuchs23 said: Yeah. First experiment is failure and she is main victim. What she does? She supports people who did this to her. She supports new experiment on the group of innocent people (without their consent). Is that right? Is that wise? You worship her because she is dumb? Well she is cute and dumb. Many people will like it. Nah It's just like I'm don't know if I care for this characters, I sort of did and didn't at the same time which is weird. At this point I just want to see someone smiling and be happy with their life. On the serious note, I don't approved Norika's act but I do get why she does that. May be she wanted to share her pain and feeling after all these years to someone. It's selfish and rather sad. Well. Sonozaki was cheerful child. What they did to her is horrible. This is experiment- everything can go wrong. She wants to help these children and thats obviously right thing to do. But at the same time she agrees to use, sacrifice other people. Does she cares only about those 19 and the rest is just nothing and can be used to help reach her goal? |
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Jonny_Mhl said: HalAnime said: Nori-chan's endured the pain of 19 kids during her childhood, added on to each time Katsuhira got bullied. Nori-chan has suffered soo much (T_T) The last scene hit the feels hard. Somehow this picture makes Noriko looks like: A) A girl who really cared about the other kids and endured all the pain alone and now wants to find a way to fix it. B) A girl with a lot of hidden resentment who wants to get her pain away at any cost as she have said in the previous episode. Pick one and think for a while because I can't see a 3rd choice anywhere. Damn this episode... Hisomu is a truly bro, even being a weird guy he gave more support to Katsuhira in one episode more than what Chidori gave in the entire series. That scene with Tenga X Chidori...jesus christ Tenga should give up, the obsession of Chidori with Katsuhira is just too heavy to be dealt with, the same can be said to Yuta and Maki. I don't think he had any intentions of pursuing her despite his internal conflict. He went there for the purpose of being rejected for closure after all. Chidori of course decides to be melodramatic about it and make everything about her once again. Where is this leading I wonder. |
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| Pretty nice episode. Nori, you da mvp. Was a bit heart-wrenching seeing Katsuhira break down at the end. I mean, when your vegetable friends are sitting in front of you, probably way far from or just plain incurable, I'd be surprised if he didn't. Wonder if he felt a sort of guilt in forgetting them since Nori seemed to be working towards curing them(?) this whole time. At least, I assume that's one of her end goals in the system Nico have me a small laugh this episode and in the preview lol I gotta say, she's surprisingly my 2nd favorite female character in this anime, maybe even my first haha |
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Fuchs23 said: GuidedCursor said: Nah It's just like I'm don't know if I care for this characters, I sort of did and didn't at the same time which is weird. At this point I just want to see someone smiling and be happy with their life. On the serious note, I don't approved Norika's act but I do get why she does that. May be she wanted to share her pain and feeling after all these years to someone. It's selfish and rather sad. Well. Sonozaki was cheerful child. What they did to her is horrible. This is experiment- everything can go wrong. She wants to help these children and thats obviously right thing to do. But at the same time she agrees to use, sacrifice other people. Does she cares only about those 19 and the rest is just nothing and can be used to help reach her goal? I think so. She's like the victim and villain. She should has a chance to redeem herself. I hope we'll find out next week. |
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JkayW said: Episode is shit like all the others. You expect me to care about a character you did nothing with for 9 episodes. Fuck off. Wow, such constructive criticism. I'm blown away. |
| This episode finally ended it all for the group and also threw the revelation of the first kiznaiver experiment... I am just shocked... and dont know what to say anymore |
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| Wow, I really liked this episode! I wish this anime had more episodes, more time between the plot and the character development would be a lot nicer :S Oh well, I still liked it. Nico is so precious! Love her. Best girl. Her and Hisomu's interactions are so cute. I loved that scene with them and Katsuhira dancing in a circle lol ARGH CHIDORI! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH GURL, YOU MAKE IT HARD TO DEFEND YOU HALP I guess it is her personality but MAN. I WANT TO SLAP HER SO HARD. I liked Tenga's attitude. If I was him I would prefer to be rejected too. Just do it *Shia's style*. It is going to hurt, but I will eventually be free from it and life goes on. Not going to judge Sonozaki because I don't know WHY she is doing all of this shit. Because yeah, what she is doing is wrong, but I don't know her motivation, so I can't say she is that much a bad guy (I mean, like she is doing it because of some shady benefit...money, fame, lolz). Last scene was sad. So sad. All that people were just, kinda there. And not there at the same time. Really sad. (DON'T CRY KENMAAAA Ç-Ç)  Not Chidori. Or Tumblr. |
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| We see more forced relationships, more unrelated plot lines, more plot convenience, and more plot holes. In other words a pretty standard episode for a train wreck of the season. |
| Glad to see they finally decided to tell us what happened to the first group of Kiznaivers. It's so sad, but it was sort of expected given it was likely their first try. Poor Nori having to endure so much TT^TT Even though she looks 'deadpan' most of the time, considering what she has been through, she is actually holding up pretty well. Hang in there Nori! The first part of the episode was mostly cute. The trio Hisomu, Nico and Katsuhira interacting and just being happy was a nice break from the gloomy parts. |
| Wow, those researchers are such ass. Ruin those kid life for an experiment. Katsuhira cry...when he saw all his childhood friend with empty self. TT^TT |
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 And this was the moment when I lost my shit and started bawling. Another great episode that dealt with some of the damage the storm has done. It is really upsetting to see Honoka withdraw herself and indirectly reject Yuta who must be in pain, too. Nico was the stream of light amongst the clouds, doing her best even though she was also hurt. I like that Hisomu has finally gotten more characterisation in this episode and was actually given a purpose instead of just being there, as it was bothering me for the past episodes. Also, I wish Tenga punched that scum of a teacher tbh. On the other hand I just can't feel sorry for Chidori. With the revelations of this episode, I much prefer Sonozaki to her. That being said, someone has predicted that Sonozaki might have been taking on too much pain from the previous Kizna experiment, but this is actually insane. And then seeing all these completely numb people alongside their child selves, with the reveal that Sonozaki was actually very cheerful as a child... This was too much for my heart. I got way too invested in these characters and now I am too emotional over them lol. Now I understand the dynamics between Katsuhira and Sonozaki better, and I am sailing this ship. Please don't crash and burn. |
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| Interesting reveal. That explains a lot about Nori and her general behaviour. Chidori still not taking it well I see. |
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| Nico trying to become friends with everybody again :P well that was a sweet moment.. too bad servere pain followed that till the end. Nineteen times the pain of all the kids, whoa ( ﾟдﾟ ). Something is happening though.. since Mutsumi said Noriko can't feel pain, even though Katsuhira felt hers. Mmm don't you pull some cliche *magic moment* something something.. and then everybody got their pain back. TRIGGER, I expect a great ending >_> |
| I still don't understand why Hisomu is even part of the cast, from what I remember the only useful thing he did is bring food to Katsuhira in this episode. Easily the character I dislike the most. I don't get the transition from losing sense of pain to become stoned like that, I don't feel pity for them but curiosity, I would like this to be more elaborated. Another thing I find difficult to accept is how they are treating sensations and feelings like something materialistic and they can move them from a person to the other which doesn't make sense to me. Also why isn't possible to undo the kizna to the old kids like they did with the new teenagers? |
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| Lmao, the homeroom teacher is being one big asshole. But yeah, great episode. We got to learn about the Kizna Project, and that was sure sad ;S.. |
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| Yamada's such a douce Happy for nico having real friends now :) Really felt bad for Nori after finding out how much suffering she had. Dat smile was adorable |
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tsubasalover said: Eating can foods. So the group didn't meet up since then, and no more mission from the committee. It's really gone after summer. Fushigi-kei girl was really lonely without them for the rest of summer so she befriended with two guys again. The principle wants to stop the experience, it seems. Main guy felt the pain again when Nori-chan fell down the building again. Oh, so he saw her coming out from the secret place during the rain day. The nurse teacher saw three of them came in. She told them the detail. Nori-chan's like that because she's center of the failed experiment and feels all other kids' pain including main guy's. There are some kids who survived are in a condition hard to explain. He cried while remembering some memory. They do love each other. Yeah thanks for the recap bro. |
| This is the first time I've teared up when watching Kiznaiver, such a powerful episode, definitely the best so far |
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| And I thought previous episode was sad and painful enough (No pun intended.) Now Nori and Katsu´s personalities make real sense... And their friends... Damn, too sad. But I´m liking this anime a lot and I still wanna see how things will turn out. |
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| lol I dont even know whats going on anymore |
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| I was a bit shocked.. Couldn't even imagine what Nori-chan has to go through all these years. It explains the dedication she has on the project to be successful. Nico is the sweetest one of them approved. Hopefully in the next episode she will gather all the team together. Poor Katsuhira. I usually hold my tears while watching anime, but his cry at the end made me so weak.. I really hope there will be some miracle in the next two episodes and on the other hand I don't hope for it at all. A dramatic ending would be the perfect ending for this show. |
| I pretty much called it on Nori for quite awhile now. Last weeks episode was heavy and hit the feels but before i started this one i told my friend in chat i was gonna start and he said prepare for feels, i said that does not work just look at plastic memories and he was like bruh you are gonna shed a tear...well i finished it and honestly i did not feel anything, i laughed a few times though. I have been liking Nori and Chidori both since episode 1 but i told my friend i was ready to flip a table in anger if she said what i was thinking she was going to say to Tenga, but it cut off and we never found out yet. I am partial to best friends/childhood friends because it seems to never work out in the end and makes me pissed/depressed since it happen to me IRL and went on for 10 damn years....So i am biased when it comes to these types of things. |
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| Another incredible episode. I love this show so much. |
| Best episode so far I really had feels during the flashbacks |
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| This episode was quite nice, I like how Katsuhira finally showed emotion and how the flashback became colorful, that was such a nice touch to Katushira emotions coming back. |
| i wish i could score it a 11, why did you ask? because eleven is louder than ten! |
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Thug_Gou said: (I assume that you're not very fond of the show but,) I totally agree with you. The show focused more on their relationships not the Kizna thing. It was like a subplot now or something. xD I don't hate the show, I don't like the show. I just pretty much feel nothing to it. Hell if it was bad in some way, it would actually be worth praise since show would be doing SOMETHING with itself, leaving SOME kind of impression. Yet nope - None of the characters, none of the plotlines affected me in anyway. The directing falls flat on its face, the storytelling too. Even the end of this episode lacks any sort of weight or build up. The show is trying to do bunch of pretentious things and is failing at all of that. It has some corny lore that could be interesting if focused upon, but the show does not bother to and exchanges it all for sake of Okada-trademark cheap melodrama between poorly written stereotypes. The only question it elicits is "why should I care about anything that is going on?" Its the dullest and most empty show of the season. I can sit through episodes of Tanaka's narcolepsy and not get bored, but this just creates apathy. The show is not bad or good. It simply is. And then it will end and will no longer be and I will most likely have no idea what to score it since the show left absolutely no impression - positive or negative. |
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| Can someone explain to me what exactly happened to those children toward the end of the episode? Are they just vegetable due to the experiment? As a side note, this show easily has the best art style, not surprised considering it's Trigger, since art looks so similar to Kill la Kill. |
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Thug_Gou said: natsu791 said: I am 100% percentage sure. They can't feel pain and unable to feel pain isn't a gift. You can die any time without even realized that you are hurted. It's almost 0 chance of success. They can't even connect to each other pain, feeling, and they have 0 emotion at this point. Those kids in the first experiment never want this either so it's not about who should be use or not. It's about if this experiment make sense or not. Meh fck science. I still stand by my point Also... What this guy said..... Fuchs23 said: Yeah. First experiment is failure and she is main victim. What she does? She supports people who did this to her. She supports new experiment on the group of innocent people (without their consent). Is that right? Is that wise? You worship her because she is dumb? Well she is cute and dumb. Many people will like it. Well, what that guy said is totally wrong. Using other people to achieve your own goal is not "dumb". |
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zal said: I still don't understand why Hisomu is even part of the cast, from what I remember the only useful thing he did is bring food to Katsuhira in this episode. Easily the character I dislike the most. I don't get the transition from losing sense of pain to become stoned like that, I don't feel pity for them but curiosity, I would like this to be more elaborated. Another thing I find difficult to accept is how they are treating sensations and feelings like something materialistic and they can move them from a person to the other which doesn't make sense to me. Also why isn't possible to undo the kizna to the old kids like they did with the new teenagers? You know how our pain comes from the "electric" signals that our brain send to the rest of our nervous system? My theory is that the Kizna system register those signals from ones brain and and sent that information to others kiznas that makes the brain repeat the same patterns from the source... At the same time, the Kizna can mess with your brain to alter those signal to ones that represent a lesser pain than the user woud've felt, giving then that "divided" pain impression... |
HyperLJun 11, 2016 5:11 PM
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| The lump I got in my throat when Katsuhira-kun started to cry ;_; |
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HyperL said: That wouldn't explain the elimination of the pain in the other Kiznaivers and the persistence of pain in Noriko, they could undo the Kizna thing like they did with the new Kiznaivers.zal said: I still don't understand why Hisomu is even part of the cast, from what I remember the only useful thing he did is bring food to Katsuhira in this episode. Easily the character I dislike the most. I don't get the transition from losing sense of pain to become stoned like that, I don't feel pity for them but curiosity, I would like this to be more elaborated. Another thing I find difficult to accept is how they are treating sensations and feelings like something materialistic and they can move them from a person to the other which doesn't make sense to me. Also why isn't possible to undo the kizna to the old kids like they did with the new teenagers? You know how our pain comes from the "eletric" signals that our brain send to the rest of our nervous system? My theory is that the Kizna system register those signals from ones brain and and sent that information to others kiznas that makes the brain repeat the same patterns from the source... I would accept a sharing of pain like my body receives 10, I feel 10 and you feel 10. But it seems that it works something like my body receives 10, I feel 5 and you feel 5. |
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| Lo, that scene where Hisomu was looking at Katsuhira, I can already hear the people writing fan fiction about it xD |
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zal said: HyperL said: That wouldn't explain the elimination of the pain in the other Kiznaivers and the persistence of pain in Noriko, they could undo the Kizna thing like they did with the new Kiznaivers.You know how our pain comes from the "eletric" signals that our brain send to the rest of our nervous system? My theory is that the Kizna system register those signals from ones brain and and sent that information to others kiznas that makes the brain repeat the same patterns from the source... I would accept a sharing of pain like my body receives 10, I feel 10 and you feel 10. But it seems that it works something like my body receives 10, I feel 5 and you feel 5. I think the term "elimination of the pain" is just a soft way of saying their brains got fucked up and lost some of their fuctions, which would also explain why they look like stoners...I don't know why Nori's pain is permanent tho... EDIT: Oh way, SORRY, i thought you were talking about the subjects losing their capacity of feeling pain and not the pain "split" |
HyperLJun 11, 2016 5:25 PM
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HyperL said: However their explanation is completely different. They say it works like the second scenario and that the missing 5 kinda messed up them because they couldn't accept their feeling and pain back anymore, kinda...zal said: That wouldn't explain the elimination of the pain in the other Kiznaivers and the persistence of pain in Noriko, they could undo the Kizna thing like they did with the new Kiznaivers. I would accept a sharing of pain like my body receives 10, I feel 10 and you feel 10. But it seems that it works something like my body receives 10, I feel 5 and you feel 5. I think the term "elimination of the pain" is just a soft way of saying their brains got fucked up and lost some of their fuctions, which would also explain why they look like stoners...I don't know why Nori's pain is permanent tho... EDIT: Oh way, SORRY, i think you were talking about the subjects losing their capacity of feeling pain and not the pain "split" |
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zal said: HyperL said: However their explanation is completely different. They say it works like the second scenario and that the missing 5 kinda messed up them because they couldn't accept their feeling and pain back anymore, kinda...I think the term "elimination of the pain" is just a soft way of saying their brains got fucked up and lost some of their fuctions, which would also explain why they look like stoners...I don't know why Nori's pain is permanent tho... EDIT: Oh way, SORRY, i think you were talking about the subjects losing their capacity of feeling pain and not the pain "split" They made it seem like they don't feel anything. Not just physical pain but emotional pain or any kind of real emotion. Throughout the show Kitsuhira barely feels anything and comes off as very stoic and lifeless because of that and these are basically more intense versions of that. |
zal said: HyperL said: However their explanation is completely different. They say it works like the second scenario and that the missing 5 kinda messed up them.I think the term "elimination of the pain" is just a soft way of saying their brains got fucked up and lost some of their fuctions, which would also explain why they look like stoners...I don't know why Nori's pain is permanent tho... EDIT: Oh way, SORRY, i think you were talking about the subjects losing their capacity of feeling pain and not the pain "split" Well, if my theory of the system registeryng and sending the brain signals are correct, it wouldn't be out of question that the system could also literally mess with your brain and alter those signals to represent a weaker pain than the original one, so if there's like 5 people connected, the system will alter the signal to represent a pain 5 times weaker and then send it to others... |
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Milk_is_Special said: Why does Katsuhira crying sound like moaning? Probably because he's really never felt that emotional before and has never really cried, so it just happened like that. |
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