Star_Slayer said: Dark has become synonymous with edgy. So much so that the two are basically interchangeable. That definition is ambiguous. How serious does something need to be? How much maturity should something deserve? So no, I don't agree. Like I said, dark=edgy pretty much. How serious you say? Ask common sense. How should people react when their beloved one dies, when people die around you? If the anime answers that question in a sense it defies common sense (unless we're talking about a dystopia), then it's edgy because it doesn't handles it's mature themes in a mature manner. Quick correction: It has to do with pretentiousness too. Taking style and substance, a dark style doesn't makes it edgy per se (ie Soul Eater). If the substance tries to be dark but fails because it isn't handled in a mature way, then it's edgy. |
ThieveryMay 22, 2016 4:06 PM
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On_the_Lam said: Can you give a few examples of series who you think treat their themes and violent/gory depiction in a mature way? I can think, as I stated in that example, of Parasyte. There is gore because the parasites attack in that manner, yet the themes it touches are handled in a mature way (When somebody beloved to the MC dies, he becomes a cynic). MSG:Thunderbolt took 1,2 hour to depict the struggles of those who figth in a war, even if it's not what they want to do it. There's a lot of shock, deaths and stuff, but it took it's time to present the reactions of even the nameless at the inevitability of their situation. I hope the movie can add more scenes to flesh out some of the characters more. Despite the comedy timing, for a Shonen FMA handled pretty well the themes of loss and trauma. And that's all I have, I lack the experience to call out more examples and the definition above is based more on the bad examples (Tokio Ghoul, Mirai Nikki, Psycho Pass, Akamge ga Kill, etc) than the good ones. There's some I'd like to mention like Berserk or Grave of the Fireflies but, shame on me, I haven't seen them yet. |
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| I dropped it, but from what I've seen Elfen Lied was filled with tons of edge. Tons of death, blood, dumb shit which was dealt with in the worst ways. It was also filled with a fuckton of tit shots. I'm ok with fan service, but come on, it's pretty much borderline porn. Elfen Lied is like SCP Containment Breach the hentai |
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On_the_Lam said: Mapplesauce said: I dropped it, but from what I've seen Elfen Lied was filled with tons of edge. Tons of death, blood, dumb shit which was dealt with in the worst ways. It was also filled with a fuckton of tit shots. I'm ok with fan service, but come on, it's pretty much borderline porn. Elfen Lied is like SCP Containment Breach the hentai It's not porn because there is no sex in it. Nudity is a different thing. So a stripping video or a fingering video isn't porn? The fuck? |
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Nudity is a different thing. If you see nudity as sexy (and I do too, btw), you are just associating one thing with another. |
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On_the_Lam said: When was there fingering on Elfen Lied? Stripping? By that logic every Rated R movie that shows just the slightest bit of nudity is a porno. Fingering? Looks like Black Swan is a porno. No, I specifically said Elfen Lied is only borderline porn and not actually porn I meant things can still be classified as porn regardless if they have sex or not. A video labeled "hot teen strips her clothes and does a dance" is still porn even though there's no sex. |
MapplesauceMay 23, 2016 7:25 PM
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m_chi said: Mapplesauce said: No, I specifically said Elfen Lied is only borderline porn and not actually porn I meant things can still be classified as porn regardless if they have sex or not. A video labeled "hot teen strips her clothes and does a dance" is still porn even though there's no sex. Porn is made intentionally to create pleasurable feelings in the viewer. Whether a show has sex scenes or not does not define if that the show is porn. In other words, shows that have sex scenes, nudity, or borderline nudity does not necessarily make it a porno. Again, I didn't say it was an actual porno, I simply said it was practically borderline porn considering the absurd amount of tit shots Why do you guys care so much anyway? It was hardly the point of my post and I was obviously exaggerating |
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| ghost in the shell 2 innocence is honestly a pretentious and unnecessary sequel to a great film, it spends way to much of the run time quoting authors and philosophers to try and make itself look smarter, it feels like a hollow cash grab by a director i admire, im not sure if he was hard up for work/ needed a paycheck or what. |
| Easy. Serial Experiments Lain. Did not sit well with me. That and FLCL. ....remember, opinions! |
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| Pretentious is one of my least favorite words. This is so mostly because it can be used to avoid actually explaining what you don't like about something. Tpfang56 said: uhh, Texhnolyze did not sit well with me. It had some vague themes going on here and there, but the crushing nihilism and incredibly slow pacing just... didn't do it for me. I spent most of the anime bored, confused, and kind of depressed because there's seriously not one moment of levity in the entire show. Now that's just exhausting. Even really dark anime like Berserk has some moments of happiness, jeez. lol! You've just pretty much described why I love Texhnolyze so much (add the fantastic OST)! I still cry dry tears (odd but true) when I hear the ending song. <3<3</3 |
| Definitely Tokyo ghoul, way to much edge a lot of it based on self harm. |
| legend of the galactic zeroes has easily got to be the most pretentious and overzealous. kataganatari seems to follow in the same direction as well, though maybe i'll grow to like it someday. and code gayass. god, if there's anything i hate in anime, that's this type of show. that tries to prove how super smart the protag is through the dumbest ways possible. moreso, it's these "outsmarting" tropes that are rarely executed well that make me wanna stab the writers sometimes. edgy, hm. idk, hellsing ultimate was pretty edge. though it was entertaining at first, but the later half left pretty indifferent and there's a bit that totally turned me off so i guess that. personally, i don't take "edgy'as a bad thing when it comes to shows, rather i take it as its old meaning, before the internet turned into a buzzword. for that i'd rather use "trying too hard to be something". deadman wonderland could fit there too i suppose of course if you want real schlock, i recommend you go to stuff like violence jack, because oh boy. but honestly i don't really have anything against shows like this. they're just extreme for the sake of being so but that can be entertaining. i use to be a huge horror/exploatation movie fan so i'm fine with these. rather i'm more disdained by pretentious stuff. |
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| Texhnolyze was just a collection of some weird visuals, stoic faces strung together with a tough guy image. It's kind of impressive from the outside, but the experience of watching it is horrible - is neither weird enough or accessible enough, just a lost of macho posturing. |
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| texhnolyze, and I actually rate it high. But I agree it is edgy and pretentious, BUT, in the right way (arent all human creations pretentious to a degree?). Because it seems to criticize itself in the end. The last 4 ep are pretty self-aware and meta. Also the edginess sort of fits with the themes. |
hypocrite_tenma said: texhnolyze, and I actually rate it high. But I agree it is edgy and pretentious, BUT, in the right way (arent all human creations pretentious to a degree?). Because it seems to criticize itself in the end. The last 4 ep are pretty self-aware and meta. Also the edginess sort of fits with the themes. My problem with Tex was that for all the pretense, it wasn't weird enough. SEL suffered from similar problems, but it was more goofy. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: hypocrite_tenma said: texhnolyze, and I actually rate it high. But I agree it is edgy and pretentious, BUT, in the right way (arent all human creations pretentious to a degree?). Because it seems to criticize itself in the end. The last 4 ep are pretty self-aware and meta. Also the edginess sort of fits with the themes. My problem with Tex was that for all the pretense, it wasn't weird enough. SEL suffered from similar problems, but it was more goofy. Lain is dope. Lain as a character > all tex characters, and im only half way through. The only thing tex has over lain is the setting and world building. |
hypocrite_tenma said: TheBrainintheJar said: My problem with Tex was that for all the pretense, it wasn't weird enough. SEL suffered from similar problems, but it was more goofy. Lain is dope. Lain as a character > all tex characters, and im only half way through. The only thing tex has over lain is the setting and world building. The setting of Tex only becomes interesting in the last episodes. Then we get something else besides gloomy industrial landscapes, but by then it's too late to salvage the anime. |
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| Pretentious Evangelion symbolism is just there for being cool Kaiba theme about body and memory swapping serve no practical value |
ZapredonJun 18, 2017 1:00 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
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| Edgy in the worst meaning: Akame ga Kill. Most of the deaths, specially in the last episodes, were completely pointless, the violence was just a cheap trick to attract audiences, and the morality was too black and white for a world building which calls for the exact opposite. I'm normally doesn't like the term because right now it's overused by pretentious kids to critice some titles because they can't stand violence or explicit content. And most of the times the use is really hypocrite. Pretentious: yeah, i'm with the people that had called Serial Experiments Lain that. The show is interesting, but it really shows it was created when most people doesn't know too much about how the internet works. And Lain is one of the most apathic main characters i've ever seen. And the last episodes plot-wise are just a mess. It's not a bad show, it's just it isn't the masterpiece some people say it is. |
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| I agree with the user above, everyone in Akame ga Kill is pretty edgy. Sword Art Online is also edgy, especially the Main Character. Oh, Re:Zero is pretty edgy too, with its suffer porn. An anime being edgy doesn't that mean it's not enjoyable or good, it's just... edgy. |
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| Pretentious: Death Note, Psycho-Pass, Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence, Gosick. All of them aren't 1/10 smart of what they try/claim to be. |
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| First I should define what I consider to be pretentious: When it comes to media pretentious is something that's all about the "message"; where the "message" takes place over being entertainning, overrides all reasons or logical conclussions and more often than not tries to comunicate a message that's way to easy to decipher and agree with. So with that in mind I'm currently watching Now and Then, Here and There and it's driving me fucking insane with how pretentious it is, the characters never evolve or have any development whatsoever for the sake of the "message", the main protagonist and antagonist are both absolute retards whose actions defy all logic for the sake of the "message" and said "message" is stupidly easy to understand and agree with. I have probably watched more pretentious bullshit when it comes to anime but that's the one constantly on my mind lately. |
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Mapplesauce said: On_the_Lam said: When was there fingering on Elfen Lied? Stripping? By that logic every Rated R movie that shows just the slightest bit of nudity is a porno. Fingering? Looks like Black Swan is a porno. No, I specifically said Elfen Lied is only borderline porn and not actually porn I meant things can still be classified as porn regardless if they have sex or not. A video labeled "hot teen strips her clothes and does a dance" is still porn even though there's no sex. Dude, you have fucking Monogatari in favorites, just lmao. |
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| Well clearly Yugioh gotta be one. Parents thought it was satanic. And Pokemon so much edge. But Yugioh my #1 pick. It has full on Illuminati exposed videos. "MK ultra mind control" That is the accusation for Yugioh. ALL SEEING EYE! Yugioh is so edgy. |
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KondeKeimado said: Pretentious: Death Note, Psycho-Pass, Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence, Gosick. All of them aren't 1/10 smart of what they try/claim to be. Death Note, although I like it, fits the label perfectly. It's not about the morality of killing people but just a game of cat-and-mouse between two overly-smart dudes. |
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Aquamirror said: Dude, you have fucking Monogatari in favorites, just lmao. well yeah, to me it didnt really disguise its fanservice as something deep or anything, it was mostly blatant fan service monogatari series is pretty pretentious at a lot of times, but i still love it |
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