How strong is Adlet among the heroes?

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With his tools, stronger than nashetania and Fremy, that's for sure. Weaker than Hans and Chamo, as well. Goldof and Mora are probably stronger as well. So not the strongest but not the weakest either.

Jul 20, 2015 12:21 PM

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So does he have any other special abilities, wich he is hiding, or just his tools ? Just tell me , doesnt matter if its spoilers :D

Jul 20, 2015 12:43 PM

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He is the strongest man in the world lol.

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Jul 20, 2015 3:04 PM

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Jokas said:
So does he have any other special abilities, wich he is hiding, or just his tools ? Just tell me , doesnt matter if its spoilers :D

By abilities you mean special power like Nashetania and Fremy? If you listened to the explanations already given, only women can get that. So no way he has.

Jul 21, 2015 9:44 AM

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Zefyris said:

Jokas said:
So does he have any other special abilities, wich he is hiding, or just his tools ? Just tell me , doesnt matter if its spoilers :D

By abilities you mean special power like Nashetania and Fremy? If you listened to the explanations already given, only women can get that. So no way he has.

So generaly speaking, without his tools, he has nothing extraordinary wich would exclude among others? What a dissapointment :/

Jul 21, 2015 1:29 PM

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Managing to reach other hero's level thanks to his tools and knowledge+ intelligence/cunningness is what make him interesting. He reach that level by sheer effort of amassing knowledge and training, as well as thanks to his intelligence.
If you want an overpowered hero that got an overpowered power without having to make any effort to gain it, you're looking at the wrong place. What you're asking for would kill the value of Adlet as a MC.

So no, it's not a disappointment, and no, thanks, I don't want adlet with some kind of special power. There's enough LN with chuu2 vibes around without giving what isn't chuu2 a chuu2-like MC.

Jul 22, 2015 2:11 PM

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Zefyris said:
Managing to reach other hero's level thanks to his tools and knowledge+ intelligence/cunningness is what make him interesting. He reach that level by sheer effort of amassing knowledge and training, as well as thanks to his intelligence.
If you want an overpowered hero that got an overpowered power without having to make any effort to gain it, you're looking at the wrong place. What you're asking for would kill the value of Adlet as a MC.

So no, it's not a disappointment, and no, thanks, I don't want adlet with some kind of special power. There's enough LN with chuu2 vibes around without giving what isn't chuu2 a chuu2-like MC.

And his past is dark? He have a reasons to become one of the heroes and announce yourself a strongest? Maybe, it is some kind of self-suggestion?

Jul 22, 2015 3:54 PM

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There's like, half of the heroes with a very dark past. Fremy takes the cake by far, but Adlet's past had it pretty bad, indeed.
Becoming the strongest in the world to get the rokka crest and defeat the majin and its lieutenants was his goal all along. During his training IIRC he was saying that he would become the strongest, and now he's staying that he became the strongest. While he's not the strongst hero, he may pretty much be the strongest kyouma hunter there is.

Jul 22, 2015 5:36 PM

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Zefyris said:
There's like, half of the heroes with a very dark past. Fremy takes the cake by far, but Adlet's past had it pretty bad, indeed.
Becoming the strongest in the world to get the rokka crest and defeat the majin and its lieutenants was his goal all along. During his training IIRC he was saying that he would become the strongest, and now he's staying that he became the strongest. While he's not the strongst hero, he may pretty much be the strongest kyouma hunter there is.

That and his luck. His luck stat is probably the highest given that he should have been dead multiple times. Well, given that he is the strongest man in the world, it can't be helped that he is blessed by the God of Luck.

Jul 22, 2015 11:42 PM

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Samhiuy said:

Zefyris said:
There's like, half of the heroes with a very dark past. Fremy takes the cake by far, but Adlet's past had it pretty bad, indeed.
Becoming the strongest in the world to get the rokka crest and defeat the majin and its lieutenants was his goal all along. During his training IIRC he was saying that he would become the strongest, and now he's staying that he became the strongest. While he's not the strongst hero, he may pretty much be the strongest kyouma hunter there is.

That and his luck. His luck stat is probably the highest given that he should have been dead multiple times. Well, given that he is the strongest man in the world, it can't be helped that he is blessed by the God of Luck.

Not plot armor or Deus Ex Machina? Just luck? Or this kind of luck, similar to PA and DEM?

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Strongest/Strong.

Jul 22, 2015 11:47 PM

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I expecting more from him. Show your manly side more!

Jul 23, 2015 12:13 AM

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Not plot armor or Deus Ex Machina? Just luck? Or this kind of luck, similar to PA and DEM?

There is no plot armor and deus ex machina. As for luck, that made me smile. Just what kind of luck does Adlet has? He didn't found a single thing by luck, that's all his brain. As far as luck goes, he actually got pretty unlucky quite a lot of time.

Jul 23, 2015 1:35 AM

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Zefyris said:

Tlahuizcapante said:

Not plot armor or Deus Ex Machina? Just luck? Or this kind of luck, similar to PA and DEM?

There is no plot armor and deus ex machina. As for luck, that made me smile. Just what kind of luck does Adlet has? He didn't found a single thing by luck, that's all his brain. As far as luck goes, he actually got pretty unlucky quite a lot of time.

That's true, but it does involve a bit of luck on his side. There are lots of situation where he would be dead if his plan didn't work out. For example, if Fremy kills him during the Fog battle, or if Hans decided to trust his instinct and kill him immediately then. Also, he would be so screwed if he didn't get help in the Temple of Fate.

He is definitely the most cunning out of the group, but he also needed luck on his side. The strongest man isn't the strongest man if he doesn't have luck. He found everything by his brain, but luck brought his plan to success. He is like the protagonist from Danganronpa. He might be the unluckiest, but also the luckiest whenever it involves avoiding death. Or you know, Pocoloco from Jojo Part 7. He gets involved in lots of unlucky incidents which ultimately led to his victory.

It's weird how luck works. But I think Adlet got everything on his side...except talent. Damn Chamo stealing all the talents in the world!

Jul 23, 2015 3:52 AM

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I don't see how the fact that the most intelligent rokka with adlet
spoiler volume 1

As for Fremy, she was the character with nashetania that knew Adlet the most at that time. I would not call that luck.
spoiler volume 1

You're calling the fact that the heroes make logical decision rather than irresponsible ones luck.
Well, in a sense, Adlet was lucky enough that his comrades aren't complete morons, yes. But outside of that, there's nothing especially surprising here.

Spoiler volume 5

So no, again.
That's not what you call luck.

Jul 23, 2015 8:48 AM

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Zefyris said:
I don't see how the fact that the most intelligent rokka with adlet
spoiler volume 1

As for Fremy, she was the character with nashetania that knew Adlet the most at that time. I would not call that luck.
spoiler volume 1

You're calling the fact that the heroes make logical decision rather than irresponsible ones luck.
Well, in a sense, Adlet was lucky enough that his comrades aren't complete morons, yes. But outside of that, there's nothing especially surprising here.

Spoiler volume 5

So no, again.
That's not what you call luck.

Sorry, but is what you call luck. I think you need to stop trying to make it seem like Adlet can plan ahead so much. There are factors that he cannot control, and whether it goes his way or not depends on luck. Of course the heroes can make rational decisions, but that still doesn't mean it isn't luck. You have a much more skewered view towards luck than I do.

For example

He can't control the others, and you need to understand that. You are viewing it from the outsider's view too much, and analyzing it from the wrong side.

Fremy could

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You are making it seem like if they don't make those decisions, then they are just plain stupid. That simply isn't the case. There are lots of logical solutions to the problem, and killing Adlet is one of them. That's what you call luck. You can't justify it no matter how hard you try because Adlet COULDN'T control everyone else. He made the best decisions possible, and bet on the risks that came with it.

You are viewing it as the predestined choice because the storyline took on that path. You need to think about what would happen if other characters had made different choices. And no, making different choices doesn't mean they are stupid.

I feel like you are the type to ignore luck, and believe everything is based on effort. Let's say two people meet, and luckily they both share the same hobbies, which led to them being friends. What do you call that? Luck.

The order in which you meet people is also important.

Sorry, but I agree to disagree. You can't say that there are absolutely no luck factor in Adlet's plans. Even when it comes to taking exams, or participating a contest, it still involves luck. What if you don't feel well that day? The factors that you CAN'T control are considered to be luck. No matter how skillful you are, there will be days when you just can't utilize your skills to the full potential. If there is no such thing as luck, then all the best sports players would NEVER lose because their skills are much more higher than others.

Jul 23, 2015 9:10 AM

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You're still calling other character's logical decisions luck. The fact that it wasn't the only logical decision doesn't change the fact that those were logical too. If this is called luck, then 100% of the MC in 100% of the works are extremely lucky. There is no MC that can pretend to have avoided what you're saying right now. Logical choices made by characters don't enter the category of "being lucky" in a story. What you're saying is seriously ridiculous and I don't have any intention to go that way with you.

And he met Hans first because Hans is by far the most apt to find him first. Again, nothing surprising. If it was in a mountain, That would be Mora by far.

And the fact that you can't find more than a few even by trying to add such things in the list of the so-called "lucky moments' of adlet shows actually how little he's relying on luck. Thanks you for convincing me even more than i'm right lol :x.

If you admit that 100% opf the MC in a story are lucky according to your own definition, then yes, according to your own definition he's lucky. A small bit. And extremely unlucky in reverse, too (this works both way).

But according to a less ridiculous "luck" definition like most peoples would use, he's not.

Jul 23, 2015 1:41 PM

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I agree with Smahuy that Adlet has had luck play in some of his successes, but that can pretty much applied to nearly everyone

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As far Adlet's strength is concerned, he's basically Batman. An all rounder who's balanced in terms of physical abilities, but has great intelligence that theoretically allows to defeat anyone with prep time. He's main fighting style revolves tools with a mix swordsmanship and strategy. Even without his tools he can hold his own for a time but certainly be weaker. However that would be Hans fighting with no knives, Goldof without his spear or Mora with none of her Saint of the Mountain powers. All of the characters are specialists in their skills and have trained for years to perfect and master them. They are not a they best without those abilities.

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Jul 23, 2015 2:24 PM

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Bare handed /no power used Goldof takes on everyone together (removing Nashetania from this since he won't hit her obviously) minus Hans maybe. Contrary to mora, his strength isn't from a god blessing after all. Same goes for Hans' swiftness.

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Bare handed /no power used Goldof takes on everyone together (removing Nashetania from this since he won't hit her obviously) minus Hans maybe. Contrary to mora, his strength isn't from a god blessing after all. Same goes for Hans' swiftness.

He was motivated to save Nashtania through sheer willpower. That's only reason for his increase in strength, normally he's not that strong, at least not enough for Tgurneu to care unlike Hans or Chamo. Mora knows martial arts so she good, but her Saint power which where her super strength comes from among other things. The same goes for everyone really otherwise why bother to have skills developed to begin with? But my main point is that it is fighting styles that make each character strong instead of merely good.

Jul 23, 2015 3:50 PM

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no. Goldof was killing knights without armour or specific weapons when he was below ten. He's a freaking monster strength wise. Absolutely abnormal. Except for someone as abnormal as him (IE, hans and his abnormal swiftness and battle prowess) anyone else would be broken in two in no time. Mora is a woman. Without her strength, she would already have a hard time against a trained male soldier, martial arts or not. Goldof eats trained soldier for his breakfast no problem.

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Alright fine. Goldof doesn't have any particular combat style, just mostly an absurd body. Still everyone else having a signature battle technique and/or weapon that dictate they fight.

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Jul 24, 2015 12:10 AM

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He is the weakest member in The Six Flowers.

Jul 25, 2015 2:43 AM

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^Um no.

As Zefyris said, Adlet is in the middle of pack as far overall strength is concerned.

Jul 26, 2015 4:00 AM

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Definitely not the weakest indeed. As long as he has access to his tools, obviously.

Jul 26, 2015 6:38 AM

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Zefyris said:
Definitely not the weakest indeed. As long as he has access to his tools, obviously.

In book has been mentioned that Adlet even himself can't say that he is strongest, without his tools.

Jul 26, 2015 11:27 AM

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Tlahuizcapante said:

Zefyris said:
Definitely not the weakest indeed. As long as he has access to his tools, obviously.

In book has been mentioned that Adlet even himself can't say that he is strongest, without his tools.

indeed, he said that so he's fully aware himself.

Jul 30, 2015 10:42 PM

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Zefyris said:
Definitely not the weakest indeed. As long as he has access to his tools, obviously.

In book has been mentioned that Adlet even himself can't say that he is strongest, without his tools.

Of course he isn't, but that basically applies most of the cast. Their fighting styles are developed based on what they have either learned or were born with.

Jul 30, 2015 11:29 PM

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As far Adlet's strength is concerned, he's basically Batman.

Haha yeah, that pretty much sums him up. It took a lot of quick thinking (and fast talk) on his part to get out of vol 1 and ESPECIALLY vol 5's situation, and while he's no Tgurneu, he's made his fair shares of Batman Gambit gambles.

Aug 2, 2015 2:31 PM

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As i said , dissapointed about mc, in this kind stories mc has to have or hide something superior to all other character wich would make clear that he is truly powerful , becuz now mostly of them are looking down on this mc. DISSAPOINMENT

Aug 2, 2015 3:37 PM

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in this kind stories mc has to have or hide something superior to all other character

What you want is an OreTUEE MC. What the story is delivering to you is a badass team. That's not the same line of story, so no, "in this kind of story" the MC shouldn't have a special power making him more powerful than other. This would kill this type of story.

Aug 2, 2015 11:49 PM

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I think he and Hans are the strongest combat-wise, as Mora said Hans would kill her 9/10 times.

Chamo isn't experienced enough as a fighter that if she starts losing she lacks the ability to see a potential way to turn the tide.

All in all Hans>=Adlet=Chamo>Goldov>Mora>Fremy>Nashetanya>???

Power wise

Chamo > Hans>Goldov>Mora>Adlet=Fremy>Nashetanya>???

At least from how I've been reading it, seeing as how when battling the Demon King, a group splits to fight off the Majin whilst another fends off the Kyoma, Adlet and Hans should be the ones who do the final kill, they work great together.

Aug 3, 2015 12:48 AM

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Hans wasn't tired by his fight. He has far more stamina than that...
So Chamo> Hans> others.
Furthermore, CHamo learns. What works once doesn't works twice. She's so dedicated to their well being that it's frightening. It's no wonder she has that much affinity with the power of the swamp. She's probably the only saint that doesn't consider her power as a tool but as "someone" dear to her.

Aug 3, 2015 12:11 PM

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Then please give me any spoiler where adlet would have done something heroic/epic in those novel. I havent read novel, just watching anime adaptation of it and so far i trully not impresed by mc, but i dont get the wrong idea, i like how is he introdused in anime. So please any spoiler are welcome :D

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Jokas said:
Then please give me any spoiler where adlet would have done something heroic/epic in those novel. I havent read novel, just watching anime adaptation of it and so far i trully not impresed by mc, but i dont get the wrong idea, i like how is he introdused in anime. So please any spoiler are welcome :D

I think it's better if you read it yourself or wait for the anime's conclusion.

Adlet is pretty much a badass and it'd be a shame if you missed that feeling of excitement.
The anime is getting pretty close to showing Adlet's skills, it's just a matter of days.
If you truly want spoilers then we can tell you spoilers, just make your own thread or something cause this is kinda unrelated to this topic. :D

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Adlet>All

He is the strongest man in the world after all.

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