ukonkivi said: And see, with Socialism this wouldn't be such a big deal. Sociailism... lol. Where the upper middle class and upper class get taxed because the middle class and lower won't vote in the proper people in government so they decide to blame the wealthier to solve their problems. |
| All I know is people who say 'lurve' need a smack in the face. |
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| Beatnik, brah, I think that sure, over half the people would more easily forgive their blood family (I think that most people do have a limit to what they can forgive), but not that many people have a good relationship/good marriage to compare that too. Also, it is not completely unheard of to sort of "black sheep" family members you don't like, and/or completely cut certain people out because they are horrible. Response to main question: I don't think anyone here actually knows what "upper class" is. The true upper class doesn't just have a million dollars floating around. That's the high end of the upper-middle class. I doubt anything more than .1% of MAL is upper class (probably one guy who is poor English upper class, which makes me laugh). Unless Paris Hilton secretly browses MAL. Most celebrities are not upper class, btw. |
| Choosy_Green, I dont think upper class people even use the internet. I'm not even joking. |
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Choosy_Green said: Response to main question: I don't think anyone here actually knows what "upper class" is. The true upper class doesn't just have a million dollars floating around. That's the high end of the upper-middle class. I doubt anything more than .1% of MAL is upper class (probably one guy who is poor English upper class, which makes me laugh). Unless Paris Hilton secretly browses MAL. Most celebrities are not upper class, btw. Then your saying that Upper class is limited to British nobility? |
Sohei said: Choosy_Green said: Response to main question: I don't think anyone here actually knows what "upper class" is. The true upper class doesn't just have a million dollars floating around. That's the high end of the upper-middle class. I doubt anything more than .1% of MAL is upper class (probably one guy who is poor English upper class, which makes me laugh). Unless Paris Hilton secretly browses MAL. Most celebrities are not upper class, btw. Then your saying that Upper class is limited to British nobility? Nono, I'm actually descendent from the French nobility! |
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arimakenshin said: ukonkivi said: And see, with Socialism this wouldn't be such a big deal. Sociailism... lol. Where the upper middle class and upper class get taxed There's more to Socialism than just taxes. I'm quite of the democratic ownership type. I think less on taxing individually and more on the fish of overthrowing the CEOs and giving companies to the workers who deserve the fair share of their labor. I'm not so fond of legal taxes because it's a state induced thing. But I have a modicum of tolerance despite my general anti-government feelings which also extend to this area. And if you're going to do something like that, there'd might as well be earning caps. Though in a democratic ownership these things are not much the issue. I am for a united poor. Not a heavy state. People should not confuse Socialism with Statism. |
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Sohei said: Choosy_Green said: Response to main question: I don't think anyone here actually knows what "upper class" is. The true upper class doesn't just have a million dollars floating around. That's the high end of the upper-middle class. I doubt anything more than .1% of MAL is upper class (probably one guy who is poor English upper class, which makes me laugh). Unless Paris Hilton secretly browses MAL. Most celebrities are not upper class, btw. Then your saying that Upper class is limited to British nobility? .... no. Why would I name "Paris Hilton" as upper class, if I meant upper class = British nobility. :/ I am saying, if someone who is upper class is on here, it's probably some poor British noble, since only poor people use the internet (a joke, sir). It's p much only in Britain that you can call yourself upper class even if your family currently lacks wealth. Of course, people don't care so much anymore. |
| I think you first need to answer "Is love more than your body telling you to make babies?" |
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tehnominator said: I doubt that's what Beatnik meant. Sexual love is ultimately weaker than unconditional love. You get the latter with family. You get the former with a girlfriend/wife/whatever. That bond is never as strong as that what you share with the person you are bonded to by blood. Although there are people who claim to despise their families and parents or are indifferent to them, and also who preach the merits of romantic love being the strongest thing they can feel, but again--romantics. All suffering from a severe case of the Romeo and Juliet. It's why Eastern cultures also place so much significance on the family unit. I never understand how in the West, the family unit is not as strong. this post irked me since i read it yesterday. all of your findings are built upon assumptions that the love from a family is always unconditional, or even there at all for that matter. there's plenty of people out there who don't get proper love from their family, and thus the only way they could find 'unconditional' love is through someone else. i'm pretty cynical myself, because i believe that true unconditional love is close to impossible to find, but having experienced it myself before i know it's possible. i honestly wouldn't consider myself a romantic, however apparently i'm a romantic simply because i believe it's possible to have romantic love exceed family love. i hate most lovey-dovey things, i believe that 90% of people who say they love each other actually don't, and even the true love i had experienced had eventually shit on itself and died. after all of this, i still believe that romantic love can easily surpass any other type of emotion. it's just ridiculously hard to find, and almost impossible to maintain. Beatnik said: Of course there are exceptions, but: Choosy_Green said: If your significant other cheats on you, literally pisses on your face and then rapes you, makes tiny cuts on you all over your body and then ties you up as you slowly bleed, then drives away with all your money and buys guns to shoot people randomly in a public place, no sane person would still love them. I bet you £10000 monopoly money that if we did a survey of people on the planet that this, or something similar, happened to, there would be more people who love the person who did those horrible things, if they were close family, than if they were not. I bet you. if a close family member did something similar to this to me, i would absolutely hate them. if someone i truly loved did something like this to me, which i actually have experienced, it would be incredibly difficult to hate them completely. to this day, i can't hate that person completely. sounds dumb, but it's impossible to explain raw human emotion. |
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| I have both loved and hated someone with equal passion. It is a weird feeling. Hate won btw. |
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Beatnik said: I have both loved and hated someone with equal passion. It is a weird feeling. Hate won btw. hate always wins in the end |
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Beatnik said: Pretty sure Bill Gates use the internet. Unless he isn't qualified as upper class. And anyways, isn't the definition of upper class just someone higher than middle class? In Canada, I think the definition goes for middle class is any family that earns like $100000 - $500000? Hmm.Choosy_Green, I dont think upper class people even use the internet. I'm not even joking. |
Tachii said: Beatnik said: Pretty sure Bill Gates use the internet. Unless he isn't qualified as upper class. And anyways, isn't the definition of upper class just someone higher than middle class? In Canada, I think the definition goes for middle class is any family that earns like $100000 - $500000? Hmm.Choosy_Green, I dont think upper class people even use the internet. I'm not even joking. upper-middle class, hello? Also, Canada is the worst example ever, we have fairly weak social classes. Really, it depends on who you ask, but more or less, the upper class is generally only 1% of the population, give or take. Upper class means you don't have to work to live because you have so much money (but most do work/invest and therefore make a shit tonne of money anyways) |
| Theyre so well known that they can just pick up chicks and treat them like shit and throw them out like garbage... |
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Tachii said: In europe at least, the upper class is those with "old money" and a title. Quite often there are still a number of old families which excercise political control. This is probably most evident in England and Belgium, where nobility actively takes part in political affairs, especially in diplomacy.Beatnik said: Pretty sure Bill Gates use the internet. Unless he isn't qualified as upper class. And anyways, isn't the definition of upper class just someone higher than middle class? In Canada, I think the definition goes for middle class is any family that earns like $100000 - $500000? Hmm.Choosy_Green, I dont think upper class people even use the internet. I'm not even joking. On the other hand, you have the american definition which basically relies on the upper 1 percentile of the population's income. I don't however think this to be a very accurate definition, as money does not necessarily mean power. As for the upper class using da interwebz, I know enough people who fit both european and american definitions and at the same try troll 4chan. I don't see why anyone from the upper class wouldn't use the internet. |
arimakenshin said: Pessoa said: Love doesn't exist. I lol'd. Do you like your coffee mixed with cynicism and pessimism? Jacques Lacan, declared that love “is an altogether refined way of making up for the absence of sexual relation by pretending that it is we who put up an obstacle to it.” In other words, the chalice of love—and all the romantic sentiments and eroticism that fill it—is an illusion. It’s impossible to find love through sexuality. It’s impossible to use your body to hide your emotional pain. It’s impossible to heal your own emotional brokenness through the body of another person as mortal and broken as you are. |
| According to Jane Austen, no it doesn't. And love also has no place in Marriage which is only a tool for social advancement. ALL RELEVANT IN TODAY'S SOCETY. |
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Pessoa said: arimakenshin said: Pessoa said: Love doesn't exist. I lol'd. Do you like your coffee mixed with cynicism and pessimism? Jacques Lacan, declared that love “is an altogether refined way of making up for the absence of sexual relation by pretending that it is we who put up an obstacle to it.” In other words, the chalice of love—and all the romantic sentiments and eroticism that fill it—is an illusion. It’s impossible to find love through sexuality. It’s impossible to use your body to hide your emotional pain. It’s impossible to heal your own emotional brokenness through the body of another person as mortal and broken as you are. Moimy said: According to Jane Austen, no it doesn't. And love also has no place in Marriage which is only a tool for social advancement. ALL RELEVANT IN TODAY'S SOCETY. Don't tell me that you also think that you can learn to play sports and manage a business all by just reading about them in a book. Your lack of experience is showing. |
managaman said: Elin and Tiger Woods had a prenuptial agreement, as expected. The couple is undergoing marital counseling, as you'd also expect. And now The Daily Beast is reporting that Elin Woods is renegotiating that prenup to get an immediate $5 million payout from her husband and as much as $55 million more to stay with him for two more years. http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Details-of-Elin-Woods-newly-rewritten-prenup-em?urn=golf,206529 I find it sad how for most rich people marriage is about money. Instead of fighting it out and making up, Tiger just slides his wife a fat sum of money to keep her quiet. It's like costly prostitution without the sex. Celebrity marriages are known to be short lived. How many wives have Trump cycled through already? Do you think that money is an obstruction to finding love? Can rich people find true love? if you have to pay someone 55 million dollars to stay with you for 2 more years than i say do yourself a favor - give the woman her 5 million and run like hell. Who wants to be in a relationship like that??? i know that money is practical and all, but i am forever a optimistic romanticist; and must say that i have seen true love in the upper class ..... just not as often as i would have liked! Oh and Celebrities are on a whole other planet with their love/hate, wedding/divorce, publicity/fame, lack of trust etc. confusing lives. i truly feel sorry for most of them. It must be hard. |
| Rich != Celebrity. As somebody who knows plenty of the former, I can attest that most rich people have neither need nor interest in performing such displays for the media, and do in fact lead love lifes pretty much the same as everybody else. Hell, based on the people I know I'd say the "wild, crazy and stupid" lifestyle is more a mark of artists (regardless of economic situation) than of the rich, but that just may be a generalization based on particularly idiotic individuals I've been unlucky to meet. |
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arimakenshin said: Moimy said: According to Jane Austen, no it doesn't. And love also has no place in Marriage which is only a tool for social advancement. ALL RELEVANT IN TODAY'S SOCETY. Don't tell me that you also think that you can learn to play sports and manage a business all by just reading about them in a book. Your lack of experience is showing. Psst. Sarcasm. |
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arimakenshin said: Don't tell me that you also think that you can learn to play sports and manage a business all by just reading about them in a book. Your lack of experience is showing. don't think mabe it comes from too much experience? |
| Hmm I'm crushingly poor and I am married and have been for more than 20 years and not all of them have been easy. I am POSITIVE if I had been rich, I'd have been divorced a long time ago too. My brother is well off, and has been married as long as me. So it is not easy to decide. But I think I will outlast him at any rate. I do know, I can't think of any rich famous people that have been married long. |
| While not technically anime, currently I am a big fan of Hatsune Miku. At least I can go see her in concert. |
Pessoa said: arimakenshin said: don't think maybe it comes from too much experience? You must have had some awful experiences then. I hope you come across a really awesome one. :) |
iHasFish said: Love, like any other emotion is triggered by certain chemicals in our bodies. So yes, they can "Fall in love". I find it BS that people can label love as "Unconditional". Ok, there's a chemical in our bodies that give us this sensation. Now, there's this other thing we have, it's called a brain. Logic can over come love, or vice versa depending on the individual. Once this hormone stops producing, there's no more "Love". It's not the individuals fault, so why blame them. Your trying to use logic to analyze love, yet love is probably the most illogical thing ever. Love is alot more then just chemical responses. Logic never over comes love as love constantly deifies it. People love people who can't have children, people love people who can never love them back, people love people who have illnesses that could kill them if they ever had sex with them. People not in their right mind, still love other people. People chose to sacrifice them self for the one they love. unconditional love does exist, just not all of us are capable of it. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| Applying logic to above: Jigero said: People love people who can't have children, people love people who can never love them back, people love people who have illnesses that could kill them if they ever had sex with them. People not in their right mind, still love other people The hormones are unable to know that, they simply work. Big chances are, they're right, and they'll get their babies. Jigero said: People chose to sacrifice them self for the one they love. It's better people defend their lovers, and sometimes die from it, than do not defend and leave the lovers to die. Jigero said: unconditional love does exist, just not all of us are capable of it. People are different, they've got different priorities, even if they're not aware of them. Love is a beautiful thing, but even though you can apply logic to it. Don't mistake logic with reason, planning, analysing or stuff like that. Logic is in the laws that are governing our world. Love is so basic instinct that it escapes the bonds of reason. As you can't force yourself to stop breathing and suffocate, you can't persuade yourself to stop loving—even if you know that this love leads to nothing. |
vytah said: Love is a beautiful thing, but even though you can apply logic to it. Don't mistake logic with reason, planning, analysing or stuff like that. Logic is in the laws that are governing our world. Love is so basic instinct that it escapes the bonds of reason. As you can't force yourself to stop breathing and suffocate, you can't persuade yourself to stop loving—even if you know that this love leads to nothing. Love isn't that beautiful. When a loved one dies, it isn't beautiful. It's just a subjective perspective and measurement of attraction with him or herself or with two or more people. It's a complex emotion that can be analyzed. People always tend to romanticize the feeling and make it seem like it's an unpredictable mess. It isn't. We're in the 21st century, not the Renaissance period. |
tehnominator said: I doubt that's what Beatnik meant. Sexual love is ultimately weaker than unconditional love. You get the latter with family. You get the former with a girlfriend/wife/whatever. That bond is never as strong as that what you share with the person you are bonded to by blood. Although there are people who claim to despise their families and parents or are indifferent to them, and also who preach the merits of romantic love being the strongest thing they can feel, but again--romantics. All suffering from a severe case of the Romeo and Juliet. It's why Eastern cultures also place so much significance on the family unit. I never understand how in the West, the family unit is not as strong. Just marry your cousin win/win ;D |
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| Marriage just doesn't have the same amount of significance it once has - at least in the hi-tech western world today. One of my professors told us about when he was talking to his friend about his first divorce, his friend just laughed and told him 'oh don't worry it's just a starter marriage'. xD |
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