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Jan 14, 2015 10:56 PM
#51
WrongPriest said: That just makes Archer shippable with everyone in the fate verse lol hheehe indeed , this little confusing thing made me scratch my head to understand (i heard about something like that in Heaven's feel only) |
Jan 14, 2015 11:07 PM
#52
Karin-Covenant said: Nah that should all get sorted in UBW, but there's some more interesting stuff in HF too.WrongPriest said: That just makes Archer shippable with everyone in the fate verse lol hheehe indeed , this little confusing thing made me scratch my head to understand (i heard about something like that in Heaven's feel only) |
Jan 18, 2015 9:58 PM
#53
HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. |
Iri-SaberJan 18, 2015 10:02 PM
Jan 19, 2015 2:36 AM
#54
Iri-Saber said: I think you're missing the point @_@HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. |
Jan 19, 2015 2:47 AM
#55
probably illya due to the indisputable fact that she is best girl |
Jan 19, 2015 2:36 PM
#57
Enema said: probably illya due to the indisputable fact that she is best girl You are the smartest person on MAL. |
Jan 19, 2015 8:35 PM
#58
StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: I think you're missing the point @_@HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. what? ok.. Shirou x Rin/Saber But not sakura and Illya.. First : i hate sakura,and there's no chemistry between shirou and her. second : illya is his adopted sister,there's no way i ship him with her. Speaking of archer..Saber suits him more..i only see archer and rin as partners only! |
Jan 19, 2015 8:37 PM
#59
StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: I think you're missing the point @_@HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. well the idea of archer is shirou and all that , isn't something i bring it up on pairing we know the story of archer/shirou alternate etc.. but for the pairings archer is archer and shirou is shirou so people have fun lol |
Jan 19, 2015 8:38 PM
#60
Karin-Covenant said: StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. well the idea of archer is shirou and all that , isn't something i bring it up on pairing we know the story of archer/shirou alternate etc.. but for the pairings archer is archer and shirou is shirou so people have fun lol Agreed ;) |
Jan 19, 2015 8:43 PM
#61
Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. |
Jan 19, 2015 9:02 PM
#62
ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. FSN visual novel spoilers If you're talking about the Fate/Stay Night visual novel then yes. |
Jan 20, 2015 1:00 AM
#63
nocorras said: ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. FSN visual novel spoilers If you're talking about the Fate/Stay Night visual novel then yes. In one route |
Jan 20, 2015 1:20 AM
#64
Insertanamehere said: nocorras said: ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. FSN visual novel spoilers If you're talking about the Fate/Stay Night visual novel then yes. In one route In two roots ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
Jan 20, 2015 1:20 AM
#65
Iri-Saber said: StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. what? ok.. Shirou x Rin/Saber But not sakura and Illya.. First : i hate sakura,and there's no chemistry between shirou and her. second : illya is his adopted sister,there's no way i ship him with her. Speaking of archer..Saber suits him more..i only see archer and rin as partners only! 1. Shirou's the adopted one. 2. Neither of them grew up together in the same household so who cares? |
Jan 20, 2015 1:23 AM
#66
dmasterxd said: Iri-Saber said: StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: I think you're missing the point @_@HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. what? ok.. Shirou x Rin/Saber But not sakura and Illya.. First : i hate sakura,and there's no chemistry between shirou and her. second : illya is his adopted sister,there's no way i ship him with her. Speaking of archer..Saber suits him more..i only see archer and rin as partners only! 1. Shirou's the adopted one. 2. Neither of them grew up together in the same household so who cares? Nah , Uh still odd / even so illya seems so young lol |
Jan 20, 2015 2:32 AM
#67
Karin-Covenant said: She's older than Shirou.dmasterxd said: Iri-Saber said: StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: I think you're missing the point @_@HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. what? ok.. Shirou x Rin/Saber But not sakura and Illya.. First : i hate sakura,and there's no chemistry between shirou and her. second : illya is his adopted sister,there's no way i ship him with her. Speaking of archer..Saber suits him more..i only see archer and rin as partners only! 1. Shirou's the adopted one. 2. Neither of them grew up together in the same household so who cares? Nah , Uh still odd / even so illya seems so young lol |
Jan 20, 2015 2:33 AM
#68
Iri-Saber said: Yeap,there is no chemistry at all between Sakura and Shirou....StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. what? ok.. Shirou x Rin/Saber But not sakura and Illya.. First : i hate sakura,and there's no chemistry between shirou and her. second : illya is his adopted sister,there's no way i ship him with her. Speaking of archer..Saber suits him more..i only see archer and rin as partners only! One has to be badass and/or a bitch to have chemistry with Shirou. |
Jan 20, 2015 2:39 AM
#69
I could let you lie about Saber being badass, but Rin is a bitch? |
Jan 20, 2015 2:45 AM
#70
StrayBotato said: That mask she puts on against Shirou and Sakura,every time she tries to do what she"must".Still a bitch.I could let you lie about Saber being badass, but Rin is a bitch? |
Jan 20, 2015 3:10 AM
#71
Rin is a bitch. xD Now I heard all of Fake-Kun's delusions XDDDD Pretending to be cold and indifferent =/= "being a bitch" But please continue with misogyny X) |
Jan 20, 2015 3:40 AM
#72
That's not what I'd call a "bitch." That's not misogyny either. <.< |
Jan 20, 2015 3:58 AM
#73
I hate not having proper embedded pictures. http://i.imgur.com/QelH9Xf.jpg |
Jan 20, 2015 3:59 AM
#74
I see your avatar with popcorn |
Jan 20, 2015 3:59 AM
#75
Lolfai Lets ignore everything the other guy said,say the same thing, and throw the first buzzword that comes to mind. StrayBotato said: What matters is how she appears to others not if she is one.Anyone in-universe not named Shirou would think like that is they saw that side of hers.That's not what I'd call a "bitch." CookingPriest said: I think everyone agrees that you are the most delusional here, being capable of seeing symbolism even in a freaking pile of rocks.Now I heard all of Fake-Kun's delusions XDDDD |
ssjokgJan 20, 2015 4:07 AM
Jan 20, 2015 4:02 AM
#76
This would be more hilarious than your avatar, if you kept the cross. |
Jan 20, 2015 4:10 AM
#77
Insertanamehere said: I see your avatar with popcorn Well now I see your avatar with popcorn. http://i.imgur.com/KFkrWp1.jpg You're welcome. Edit* As much fun as it looks like Gil is having, I get the feeling I should have made it a German beer. |
WrongPriestJan 20, 2015 4:13 AM
Jan 21, 2015 3:40 PM
#78
StrayBotato said: Karin-Covenant said: She's older than Shirou.dmasterxd said: Iri-Saber said: StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: I think you're missing the point @_@HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. what? ok.. Shirou x Rin/Saber But not sakura and Illya.. First : i hate sakura,and there's no chemistry between shirou and her. second : illya is his adopted sister,there's no way i ship him with her. Speaking of archer..Saber suits him more..i only see archer and rin as partners only! 1. Shirou's the adopted one. 2. Neither of them grew up together in the same household so who cares? Nah , Uh still odd / even so illya seems so young lol she "SEEMS" Her looks , appearance you know . |
Jan 21, 2015 6:35 PM
#79
HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: Yeap,there is no chemistry at all between Sakura and Shirou....StrayBotato said: Iri-Saber said: I think you're missing the point @_@HentaiPriest said: Iri-Saber said: So wait Rin is the only one that matches Shirou but Archer is with Saber??i think it would be Emiya x Rin..there' no one suits him more than rin. saber should take archer.they looks cool,they are both servants and sometimes i feel like they are meant to be together :P u know.. Master x master servant x servant Come on!! it's great!..i mean if you watched the new ubw , you'll see how shirou and rin are meant to each other. what? ok.. Shirou x Rin/Saber But not sakura and Illya.. First : i hate sakura,and there's no chemistry between shirou and her. second : illya is his adopted sister,there's no way i ship him with her. Speaking of archer..Saber suits him more..i only see archer and rin as partners only! One has to be badass and/or a bitch to have chemistry with Shirou. hmmm,something like that,but it better not be "bitch" :P |
Jan 21, 2015 11:38 PM
#80
WrongPriest said: Insertanamehere said: nocorras said: ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. FSN visual novel spoilers If you're talking about the Fate/Stay Night visual novel then yes. In one route In two roots ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) together, as in, they stay together and she doesn't go back to her time period or whatever? |
Jan 22, 2015 12:18 AM
#81
ErenxMikasa said: WrongPriest said: Insertanamehere said: nocorras said: ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. FSN visual novel spoilers If you're talking about the Fate/Stay Night visual novel then yes. In one route In two roots ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) together, as in, they stay together and she doesn't go back to her time period or whatever? [spoiler] This is an actual Spoiler Not in Fate rote (The route in which Saber and Shirou are a couple), The only way a Servant can stay after the Grail disappears is if they're anchored to a powerful enough Mana source. This actually happens in a "Good End" of UBW, but in the "True End" she disappears. |
Jan 22, 2015 12:55 AM
#82
ErenxMikasa said: WrongPriest said: Insertanamehere said: nocorras said: ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. FSN visual novel spoilers If you're talking about the Fate/Stay Night visual novel then yes. In one route In two roots ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) together, as in, they stay together and she doesn't go back to her time period or whatever? Srs spoilers Together as in they get together but no, in her route, the Saber X Shirou one , Saber destroys the Grail and returns to her time, accepts her past and dies a peaceful death. In one of the endings of UBW, Saber stays on with Rin and Shirou, though UBW is primarily Rin X Shirou. There is something called the "Last Episode" where Saber and Shirou reunite after quite a while because magic. It's pretty vague on the hows, and some fans dispute it's canonicity. |
Jan 22, 2015 9:31 PM
#83
Insertanamehere said: ErenxMikasa said: WrongPriest said: Insertanamehere said: nocorras said: ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. FSN visual novel spoilers If you're talking about the Fate/Stay Night visual novel then yes. In one route In two roots ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) together, as in, they stay together and she doesn't go back to her time period or whatever? Srs spoilers Together as in they get together but no, in her route, the Saber X Shirou one , Saber destroys the Grail and returns to her time, accepts her past and dies a peaceful death. In one of the endings of UBW, Saber stays on with Rin and Shirou, though UBW is primarily Rin X Shirou. There is something called the "Last Episode" where Saber and Shirou reunite after quite a while because magic. It's pretty vague on the hows, and some fans dispute it's canonicity. 'Tis canon no matter the rage of a particular CG. |
Jan 22, 2015 10:44 PM
#84
Dreams are canon,I agree. AS for good end it is NOT Saber/Shirou. It is pretty much Rin/Shirou with addition of Saber/Rin with shirou giving no fucks about Saber anyway |
Jan 24, 2015 8:49 PM
#85
Ok thanks for the answers, in that case I don't think I want to put in the time for the VN. |
Jan 25, 2015 7:31 PM
#86
ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. ErenxMikasa said: Ok thanks for the answers, in that case I don't think I want to put in the time for the VN. Wait, why? They *DO* end up together....and if you mean end up together forever, well that happens too eventually (and it's shown too), if you believe in it. Besides, that's not a great reason to not play the VN. |
Jan 30, 2015 6:33 PM
#87
-kV- said: ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. ErenxMikasa said: Ok thanks for the answers, in that case I don't think I want to put in the time for the VN. Wait, why? They *DO* end up together....and if you mean end up together forever, well that happens too eventually (and it's shown too), if you believe in it. Besides, that's not a great reason to not play the VN. I don't really want to have to "believe" in it, I want it to be explicit. Everyone has their own reasons. For me, I don't want to put in such a large amount of hours into something when I know I'll dislike the ending. And yes, just that fact alone will mean I dislike the ending. I don't have high standards in general, but I do have a list of very specific criteria that absolutely bother me. |
ErenxMikasaJan 30, 2015 6:39 PM
Apr 23, 2015 4:00 PM
#88
dougmelon said: The original author (Nasu) admits that the "Unlimited Blade Works" path is about the relationship between Shirou and Archer; he calls it "Shirou's" route." Rin X Shirou was there simply because every route needed a heroine. Kinda sucks for Rin fans but most probably prefer Rin X Archer anyways, even though Archer is most likely from a variant of the "Fate" route. Anyways, the only route that I think heavily focuses on romance is the "Fate" route. The entire route is about their relationship; him discovering about her past and trying to free her from her chains. And as LostHanyou said, the only reason why he did not screw everything to be with Saber is because he felt she would never wish for him to do that. Remember that at the end of the "Fate" route Shirou contemplates about forgetting the whole Holy Grail thing and just running away with her but decides that that would be betraying her. Heaven's Feel is kinda iffy. Sakura and Shirou's feelings for each other are important to the plot but it was not nearly as developed as Shirou's and Saber's is in the "Fate" route. I think it was more about the back story and truth of the Holy Grail; its history, the families involved, its true purpose, etc. It is the most complete route in terms of the Holy Grail War and I would call it the "Holy Grail" route. It doesn't suck for Rin's fake cuz she is a main character in each of the routes unlike Saber or Sakura and that is much more worth than being the focus on one route. |
May 16, 2015 8:36 AM
#89
Mathias2001 said: dougmelon said: The original author (Nasu) admits that the "Unlimited Blade Works" path is about the relationship between Shirou and Archer; he calls it "Shirou&#039;s" route." Rin X Shirou was there simply because every route needed a heroine. Kinda sucks for Rin fans but most probably prefer Rin X Archer anyways, even though Archer is most likely from a variant of the "Fate" route. Anyways, the only route that I think heavily focuses on romance is the "Fate" route. The entire route is about their relationship; him discovering about her past and trying to free her from her chains. And as LostHanyou said, the only reason why he did not screw everything to be with Saber is because he felt she would never wish for him to do that. Remember that at the end of the "Fate" route Shirou contemplates about forgetting the whole Holy Grail thing and just running away with her but decides that that would be betraying her. Heaven&#039;s Feel is kinda iffy. Sakura and Shirou&#039;s feelings for each other are important to the plot but it was not nearly as developed as Shirou&#039;s and Saber&#039;s is in the "Fate" route. I think it was more about the back story and truth of the Holy Grail; its history, the families involved, its true purpose, etc. It is the most complete route in terms of the Holy Grail War and I would call it the "Holy Grail" route. It doesn't suck for Rin's fake cuz she is a main character in each of the routes unlike Saber or Sakura and that is much more worth than being the focus on one route. Here here! Rin is one of the characters with the most "screen-time" and dialogue...in every route. I actually agree with the assessment of Fate being Saber's route, UBW being Shirou's route, and HF being the grails route (the only thing about that route that I like aside from the bad endings. I apologize Sakura that I'm not sorry.). That being said, UBW is my favorite route for general route and pairing. While I like the romance element I don't like it as the primary focus. Plus I just generally get tired of Master/Servant trope. Used to like it not so much now. Still love Saber as a character just not a love interest. ...as for Sakura...I'm just not a fan of Sakura. Honestly, if a route had to be scrapped I wish her's would have been scrapped instead of Illyasviel. It's not that I don't understand her situation (which I have been blindly accused of) but she has no sense of self, obsessively holds onto one thing for life (Normal ending coughcough), and has poor development. She is literally a shell. P.S. ShirouxRin may be my OTP but also adore Rin forever alone |
EgnaroMay 16, 2015 8:41 AM
Jun 29, 2015 7:30 AM
#90
ZeroDragon said: Insertanamehere said: ErenxMikasa said: WrongPriest said: Insertanamehere said: nocorras said: ErenxMikasa said: Can someone tell me if Shirou and Saber end up together in the LN? Because if not then I'm not going to put my time into it. FSN visual novel spoilers If you're talking about the Fate/Stay Night visual novel then yes. In one route In two roots ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) together, as in, they stay together and she doesn't go back to her time period or whatever? Srs spoilers Together as in they get together but no, in her route, the Saber X Shirou one , Saber destroys the Grail and returns to her time, accepts her past and dies a peaceful death. In one of the endings of UBW, Saber stays on with Rin and Shirou, though UBW is primarily Rin X Shirou. There is something called the "Last Episode" where Saber and Shirou reunite after quite a while because magic. It's pretty vague on the hows, and some fans dispute it's canonicity. 'Tis canon no matter the rage of a particular CG. Well, I'm for Saber as well. But I did read that the "True Ending" was Shirou and Saber. After everything they went through, they're finally managed to be together in the Avalon. |
Jun 29, 2015 7:31 AM
#91
Emiya x Rin of course. |
Dec 2, 2015 10:41 PM
#92
You know that Shrio even said that he liked Rin he said that to her but she didn't say nothing but in the newest season it looks like they are going out |
Feb 18, 2016 9:07 AM
#93
I like all the girls with Emiya for different reasons, but if I had to rank them, in my opinion- Rin X Shirou > Illya X Shirou > Saber X Shirou = Sakura X Shirou |
"I hate coffee. I wish you'd given me tea."- Yang Wen-Li |
Feb 19, 2016 11:47 PM
#94
Emiya x saber always made the most sense to me |
Jun 18, 2016 11:48 PM
#95
Jul 7, 2016 12:59 PM
#96
I know i'm really late but here is my mind on this anyway. When people are asking about who that Emiya (sick dumb unsupportable kid) should be with i only get the feeling of it happen with 1 of the sisters. Sakura is a kind broken heart girl that has suffered so much since youth and finally managed to feel hope when she was with emiya. Her actions after she begun murdering people were all because she has suffered from the worms who begun eating her soul. Still her emotions towards the sick bastard kid Emiya were for me really touching as he was her only hope to the light and to redeem herself. On the other hand, Rin was kind of a bitch at the earliest stages, but going further down we all noticed that she did love him as well such as to sacrifice Tohsaka ideals to help him. At the end of Fate stay night ubw route she even tried to make him feel peace with her before going on the path of justice to become archer. She did care a lot about him. The two of them are both really kind hearted girls and both of them deserve being happy after all the shit they had been through . But if we want to only chose one, as a difficult choice i would choose Sakura over Rin. True Rin loved him and showed that so much threw all of the Vn and Anime, but Sakura was just deceived since being a child and she went throught the most of hell one can go. She was being raped ans savaged by the worms when she was still 5 years old..... she was being raped by shinji matou everyday because the worms will keep down if they were fed her orgasmic fluids or stuff like that. she was being treated just like a slave. I understand that both of the girls are perfect girls, but Sakura needs it way more than Rin since she never had anything before meeting Emiya. So as for my answer, i think Sakura is the best choice. As for Ilya : nothing ever happened between them and being her big brother would be enough. Saber: No since she is only a servant and i find it difficult to swallow a relation ship between a servant that will disappear after the war and a master. Still best Girls Sakura Tohsaka and her Sis Rin. |
Jul 12, 2016 2:51 AM
#97
Rin rosaka ❤️ |
Jul 14, 2016 11:07 AM
#98
Well I think that it's important to mention that in VN Shirou basically had sex triangle with Rin and Saber xD |
Jul 19, 2016 5:20 AM
#99
I thinks it's Shirou and Rin.But in otherhand sakura love is deeper than the other.But in the end of F/SN series (not UBW) Shirou love Saber and Saber love him too.But since I don't like Shirou(Because he has no Background at all.He never felt the pain of losing,he is just weak naive teenager,And can't be compared with kiritsugu and he don't deserve emiya's name) I hate that saber loves him.I Don't know what make Saber loves Shirou,Would be better if saber has someone she likes in the past and see it in Shirou.But it's not ,and I hate love without foundation or love without reason.It's good they make F/SN UBW cause in the end Saber only like shiroe as a servant and protector,and it has a obvious romance. |
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