How would the Chimera Ant arc have played out if ___ made an appearance and how strong is that character really? SPOILERS

TripleSRank said:

Actually, Killua explicitly rated people once, and it included Hisoka, no less. Just before the Heaven's Arena arc, he used lines in the dirt to show Gon their strengths compared to Hisoka and Hanzo. (He placed himself laughably close to Hisoka, though.)

Lynx_7 said:


Hisoka challenging Netero in the beginning of the series is just as hilarious as Killua saying he could have killed the old men if he wanted to. What both of them have in common is that they were out of their minds.

For real, though, Hisoka cares about the challenge. I'm not sure he takes the time to consider whether or not he could actually beat his opponent. If anything, I'm guessing he would be thrilled to face somebody stronger than himself even knowing the chances of him winning to be slim. Just like Netero, really.

Winter_Fox_Tami said:
I find it inconceivable that Hisoka would have lost to any of the Royal Guard, particularly Menthuthuyoupi, and it's difficult to imagine him being defeated by Neferpitou or Shaiapouf either. There's too much focus on raw strength and nen power; Hisoka is a master martial artist, while the Roya Guard were just born and know nothing about the art of fighting, they just kill people with their overwhelming power. Kite's loss to Pitou is irrelevant to me, because it was never once said or even implied that Kite was a great martial artist, he was always shown fighting with weapons. The Election Arc also strongly implies that he can perfectly assess a person's true strength, and if true, he still wished to fight Netero knowing how strong he was. The Guanyin statue would have thrilled him. There's also the fact that he only wants to fight people he believes can challenge him, but the only person in the Phantom Troupe he's interested in is Chrollo, which means that he regards everyone else in the Troupe as so beneath him that they aren't worth fighting. And you have to remember that he's never once been shown fighting seriously, every time he fights he either kills his opponent instantly or just plays around with them, we don't know how good he actually is. We knew all along that Netero was powerful, but didn't know just how much until he fought Meruem, Hisoka could also have immense hidden power that he's never needed to show

Winter_Fox_Tami said:
I find it inconceivable that Hisoka would have lost to any of the Royal Guard, particularly Menthuthuyoupi, and it's difficult to imagine him being defeated by Neferpitou or Shaiapouf either. There's too much focus on raw strength and nen power; Hisoka is a master martial artist, while the Roya Guard were just born and know nothing about the art of fighting, they just kill people with their overwhelming power. Kite's loss to Pitou is irrelevant to me, because it was never once said or even implied that Kite was a great martial artist, he was always shown fighting with weapons. The Election Arc also strongly implies that he can perfectly assess a person's true strength, and if true, he still wished to fight Netero knowing how strong he was. The Guanyin statue would have thrilled him. There's also the fact that he only wants to fight people he believes can challenge him, but the only person in the Phantom Troupe he's interested in is Chrollo, which means that he regards everyone else in the Troupe as so beneath him that they aren't worth fighting. And you have to remember that he's never once been shown fighting seriously, every time he fights he either kills his opponent instantly or just plays around with them, we don't know how good he actually is. We knew all along that Netero was powerful, but didn't know just how much until he fought Meruem, Hisoka could also have immense hidden power that he's never needed to show

The_Mad_Wizard said:
Did you guys know why Netero insisted to fight the King alone?

Because he knows that the King is so strong that this is going to be a fight of a lifetime.

Heck! He even put his subordinates in danger for that moment.

What's Netero's reaction to Hisoka?

Kuralchemist99 said:

This is one of the better arguments I've seen.

It's not that I thought Hisoka could beat Netero anyway, but I think this helps to emphasize the difference in strength.

Leffair said:
The Hisoka circlejerk is strong in this topic.
Expecting to see people say Hisoka would own post-rose Meruem with his hands tied to his back because he is actually the secret king of the Dark Continent.

Like someone already posted, Netero's reaction to Pitou: shit's strong yo.
Netero's reaction to Meruem: excited to be the challenger for the first time in a long while.
Netero's reaction to Hisoka: Volume 4, page 121, chapter 32. He does not.give.a.single.shit. Even Hisoka was annoyed by the amounts of fuck he was given.

Candor said:
Except that shoot is not like Hisoka. Hisoka likes to fight, he finds thrill in battle, he'd fight until the end. Shoot is a coward.

Leffair said:
The Hisoka circlejerk is strong in this topic.
Expecting to see people say Hisoka would own post-rose Meruem with his hands tied to his back because he is actually the secret king of the Dark Continent.

Like someone already posted, Netero's reaction to Pitou: shit's strong yo.
Netero's reaction to Meruem: excited to be the challenger for the first time in a long while.
Netero's reaction to Hisoka: Volume 4, page 121, chapter 32. He does not.give.a.single.shit. Even Hisoka was annoyed by the amounts of fuck he was given.

tsudecimo said:

What? did you like completely ignore how he tried to keep fighting and buy time, even though he knows Youpi will kill him. For fucks sake, the guy was crawling after being badly injured. Yeah he is obviously a coward.

Nobody on the ''good'' side of characters died, except for Netero, Hisoka will be saved by the plot, if he had been in that arc, like Morel and Shoot.

ZGriffin said:

haha, when the anime starts back up or the manga shows Hisokas true strength I will laugh at this comment even more if it pops back up.

Kuralchemist99 said:
This. Pretty much. If Shoot made it against a royal guard, Hisoka would too.

Candor said:
Except that shoot is not like Hisoka. Hisoka likes to fight, he finds thrill in battle, he'd fight until the end. Shoot is a coward.

Leffair said:
The Hisoka circlejerk is strong in this topic.
Expecting to see people say Hisoka would own post-rose Meruem with his hands tied to his back because he is actually the secret king of the Dark Continent.

Like someone already posted, Netero's reaction to Pitou: shit's strong yo.
Netero's reaction to Meruem: excited to be the challenger for the first time in a long while.
Netero's reaction to Hisoka: Volume 4, page 121, chapter 32. He does not.give.a.single.shit. Even Hisoka was annoyed by the amounts of fuck he was given.

Winter_Fox_Tami said:
I find it inconceivable that Hisoka would have lost to any of the Royal Guard, particularly Menthuthuyoupi, and it's difficult to imagine him being defeated by Neferpitou or Shaiapouf either. There's too much focus on raw strength and nen power; Hisoka is a master martial artist, while the Royal Guard were just born and know nothing about the art of fighting, they just kill people with their overwhelming power. Kite's loss to Pitou is irrelevant to me, because it was never once said or even implied that Kite was a great martial artist, he was always shown fighting with weapons. The Election Arc also strongly implies that he can perfectly assess a person's true strength, and if true, he still wished to fight Netero knowing how strong he was. The Guanyin statue would have thrilled him. There's also the fact that he only wants to fight people he believes can challenge him, but the only person in the Phantom Troupe he's interested in is Chrollo, which means that he regards everyone else in the Troupe as so beneath him that they aren't worth fighting. And you have to remember that he's never once been shown fighting seriously, every time he fights he either kills his opponent instantly or just plays around with them, we don't know how good he actually is. We knew all along that Netero was powerful, but didn't know just how much until he fought Meruem, Hisoka could also have immense hidden power that he's never needed to show.

Winter_Fox_Tami said:
1) "Also, you're pretty wrong about Hisoka and the Phantom Troupe. Just in one of the recent episodes you see Hisoka's "toybox" and in it you see Chrollo and the entire Phantom Troupe. That means he also finds them to be strong opponents. If he found them all to be beneath him then he wouldn't have waited for Chrollo to be alone to be able to fight him. There's also the fact that members of the Troupe have some OP abilities (eg. Shalnark's "Auto-Pilot" & Feitan's "Pain Packer")."

Hanzo and Menchi were also in that toy box, so members of the troupe being in it is irrelevant. They were both in the room with him during the first election when he remarked on how boring everyone in there aside from the zodiacs was, plus Gon was his favourite toy before he even learned nen. Zeno was also in the box, and neither the anime or manga has ever shown him meeting Zeno. Besides, it's just a picture.

2) "Idk what you were watching but I got a pretty good idea of how strong Netero was after seeing his training flashbacks."

It obviously implied he was extremely powerful, which we all knew from his first appearance in the series, but it didn't show the reality of his true power, that he can summon a bodhisattva that can throw hundreds of strikes faster than the speed of sound. That's a technique which virtually no one would have a chance against, and I don't think Hisoka could have bested it either. Seeing him punch ten thousand times every day, as cool as it is and as fast as they were, didn't prepare me for the Guanyin statue.

3) "Oh and do I have to mention Meruem, who tore the limbs off the greatest martial artist in the Hunter universe?"

I never said that Hisoka could beat Meruem, and it was explained why Meruem was able to cut off Netero's limbs. Hisoka would have something like a 0.00001% chance of beating him.

4) "Like someone already posted, Netero's reaction to Pitou: shit's strong yo.
Netero's reaction to Meruem: excited to be the challenger for the first time in a long while.
Netero's reaction to Hisoka: Volume 4, page 121, chapter 32. He does not.give.a.single.shit. Even Hisoka was annoyed by the amounts of fuck he was given.

You make a very valid point with that chapter. Almost invalidates whatever the guy in the last page was talking about with martial arts and all that."

Meruem was a threat to the entire world and Netero had to fight him for their plan to work, his joy was just a pleasant by-product. Netero was the chairman of the Hunter's Association, do you really think he would just attack someone who was in the midst of taking his exam? Trying to kill an examinee obviously wouldn't be good for the Association's reputation. And Hisoka wasn't annoyed at all by Netero's reaction, I'm not sure how it was translated or came across in English, but Hisoka's thoughts as he left Netero's room after being interviewed strongly implied that Netero was baiting him.

5) "Please enlighten me on how Hisoka would have been able to defeat Youpi with his martial arts skills. Like someone said before, how do you expect Hisoka to land a hit on Youpi when the dude has 10 + eyeballs & 6 arms flailing around simultaneously?"

... So? That does nothing to indicate that Hisoka would lose, Youpi just has herculean strength and nen power, flailing all his arms around and making himself explode doesn't seem like it would pose much of a threat to people like Hisoka, Illumi, Zeno, etc. He fights like a brute, "flail" is the perfect word, and that trick where he pretends to make himself explode isn't really that clever at all, no one would ever fall that twice, and only a simple person (i.e. Knuckle) would even fall for it a first time. Youpi clearly has more power, but that doesn't matter if he can't hit him. Hisoka is clearly an excellent long-range fighter with chirurgical reflexes.

And all that doesn't matter as much as the simple fact that no one except Togashi knows just how powerful he's going to turn out to be. Simple context clues can give us an indication of his minimum level of skill, his floor can be inferred, but none of us know just how high is ceiling is. I don't think he's going to end up as the strongest character either, I have trouble seeing him beating Silva, I think Illumi and Zeno would stand pretty good chances against him, I don't think he would have had more than a small shot of being Netero, and Ging will probably turn out to be stronger, as well.

jreginald said:


1. Just because Hisoka is "bored of them" does not mean that he doesn't think they're strong (that's what the box was there for). Hanzo is pretty strong, he was the 3rd to come out of the Trick Tower during the Hunter Exam. Just because he wasn't shown meeting Zeno doesn't mean he hasn't. I'm pretty sure Hisoka knows a thing or two about the heads of Zoldyck family given how close (?) he is to Illumi & Killua.

There's still the point that he needed to get Chrollo alone, meaning he knows that he can't fight all of the Phantom Troupe AND there's also the fact that many members of the group have some really nasty abilities. I was mainly disagreeing with you thinking that the rest of the troupe isn't worth fighting to Hisoka.

2. Sure.

3. Way to miss my point (I like how you left out what I said about the Royal Guards). I never said that you said that he could beat Meruem, I was just using him as another example of how the Ants are all quick-learners. You used Hisoka's mastery of martial arts as if it's some determining factor against them when the Ants could easily adapt.

4. Leffair's point was that Netero didn't give a shit about Hisoka wanting to challenge him. If you remember correctly, Hisoka noticed that Netero was the only "director" that had his guard down/at ease while the rest (eg. Menchi, Satotz) were wary of Hisoka. And Crunchyroll came up with the same translation, which is pretty good imo.

5. Again, not my point. I'm all for the possibility of Hisoka being able to defeat the Royal Guard. What I want to know is why you find it so "inconceivable" for Hisoka to lose to them. I think it's the other way, Hisoka would have a pretty hard time fighting against them. Pitou has amazing agility, being able to (barely) defend herself against Netero's attacks. Pouf is also smart as hell, as is Hisoka, so this one may be in Hisoka's favor. But then again, Pouf also has some great abilities. All 3 of the Guards are strong, Youpi especially. What the hell do you expect Hisoka to do against that dude? Throw cards? Lol.

jreginald said:


1. Just because Hisoka is "bored of them" does not mean that he doesn't think they're strong (that's what the box was there for). Hanzo is pretty strong, he was the 3rd to come out of the Trick Tower during the Hunter Exam. Just because he wasn't shown meeting Zeno doesn't mean he hasn't. I'm pretty sure Hisoka knows a thing or two about the heads of Zoldyck family given how close (?) he is to Illumi & Killua.

There's still the point that he needed to get Chrollo alone, meaning he knows that he can't fight all of the Phantom Troupe AND there's also the fact that many members of the group have some really nasty abilities. I was mainly disagreeing with you thinking that the rest of the troupe isn't worth fighting to Hisoka.

2. Sure.

3. Way to miss my point (I like how you left out what I said about the Royal Guards). I never said that you said that he could beat Meruem, I was just using him as another example of how the Ants are all quick-learners. You used Hisoka's mastery of martial arts as if it's some determining factor against them when the Ants could easily adapt.

4. Leffair's point was that Netero didn't give a shit about Hisoka wanting to challenge him. If you remember correctly, Hisoka noticed that Netero was the only "director" that had his guard down/at ease while the rest (eg. Menchi, Satotz) were wary of Hisoka. And Crunchyroll came up with the same translation, which is pretty good imo.

5. Again, not my point. I'm all for the possibility of Hisoka being able to defeat the Royal Guard. What I want to know is why you find it so "inconceivable" for Hisoka to lose to them. I think it's the other way, Hisoka would have a pretty hard time fighting against them. Pitou has amazing agility, being able to (barely) defend herself against Netero's attacks. Pouf is also smart as hell, as is Hisoka, so this one may be in Hisoka's favor. But then again, Pouf also has some great abilities. All 3 of the Guards are strong, Youpi especially. What the hell do you expect Hisoka to do against that dude? Throw cards? Lol.

Winter_Fox_Tami said:
Throw cards? Yes, actually, and whatever else he wants to do that we don't know about. Youpi seems like the sort of opponent that can be beat by patiently picking away at them. A fight with him would probably be rather long, but I can definitely see Hisoka hitting and cutting him thousands of times until he eventually falls. Youpi is still an organic creature, he's going to die if he loses enough blood. Hisoka losing to Youpi in particular is inconceivable because Hisoka is the worst type of match-up for someone like him.
I infer that Hisoka could beat Shaipouf, again, because of context clues. Shaiapouf was implied to be the weakest of the Royal Guard, was never shown fighting, and his encounter with Morel seems to hint that he doesn't have a lot of confidence in himself as a fighter. He wanted to escape that room as quickly as possible, but instead of just killing Morel, he used that convoluted plan to divide himself and trick him into dispersing the smoke, a plan which he himself admitted would take a while, which means that he didn't think that killing Morel, who was a 40% of his full power, would be that easy. I'm sure he could beat Morel (even at full strength) but his actions suggest that he didn't think he could do it very easily.
Neferpitou would definitely have the best chance at beating Hisoka. I guess I should say that Youpi and Pouf beating him is inconceivable to me, whereas Pitou would have a more realistic chance, but I still don't find it that likely. Neferpitou is definitely stronger, and can move extremely fast, but moving fast and having fast reflexes are completely different things. I would envision them having a difficult battle that Hisoka wins by having Pitou play right into a plan he would have from the beginning.

Mikasa said:
Hisoka can actually kill Pitou and Pouf. Maybe even Youpi.
As for Meruem, do you guys think Feitan, Franklin or Phinks could destroy him?

RedRoseFring said:
Hisoka would get rekt. #OnlyGoodMagicianIsDeadMagician.

Kuralchemist99 said:
Feitan would have a slim, and I mean a SLIM chance of defeating him. If he was able to survive at least one of Meruem's attacks, he could become incredibly powerful.

Mikasa said:


100 spins from Phinks can rip Meruem...
Maybe a few hundred shots from Franklin?
If he's injured, Shizuku can absorb his blood...

Mikasa said:


100 spins from Phinks can rip Meruem...
Maybe a few hundred shots from Franklin?
If he's injured, Shizuku can absorb his blood...

ZGriffin said:

Killua didn't rate he just assumed and was just going off his knowledge and common sense as a fighter. Hisoka seems to be much more accurate, like he has an actual ability for it.

tesla21 said:

Considering the scene at the Election's arc where Hisoka is surprised when he rates 90ish a random hunter who was voting I'd say it's safe to assume he has some sort of ability to measure strenght.

jreginald said:
^ Idk why you're even replying to a guy that thinks underlings of the PT could kill Meruem.

I'm not sure about your comparison with Zero Hand & Feitan's Rising Sun, though. Rising Sun is very capable of damaging its opponents, depending on the wounds/injuries Feitan receives. You make it sound like Zazan actually had a chance of defeating Feitan. And "rely"? That's an odd word for someone using their very own ability. The problem with Feitan vs. Meruem is that Meruem will probably have maimed him before he even gets to use his Rising Sun.

jreginald said:
^ Idk why you're even replying to a guy that thinks underlings of the PT could kill Meruem.

I'm not sure about your comparison with Zero Hand & Feitan's Rising Sun, though. Rising Sun is very capable of damaging its opponents, depending on the wounds/injuries Feitan receives. You make it sound like Zazan actually had a chance of defeating Feitan. And "rely"? That's an odd word for someone using their very own ability. The problem with Feitan vs. Meruem is that Meruem will probably have maimed him before he even gets to use his Rising Sun.

TripleSRank said:
@NemeanLion: Just wanted to point out that Uvogin was physically the strongest of the Phantom Troupe. He had the biggest raw aura. That doesn't actually make him a tougher opponent.

NemeanLion said:


Well that's exactly what i meant by being the strongest. Regardless of how many times Phinks revolves his arm, we can be certain that it'll be weaker than Uvo's big-bang impact.
Edit: Assuming he could actually trap Youpi in a web of bungee gum, and the gum could hold him in place, how would he actually defeat Youpi? I think he's durable enough to tank anything he throws at him. And let's not forget that he can morph his body into any desirable shape or form, can shoot beams of nen and of course, literally explode so range attacks aren't out of the option.

TripleSRank said:

Not necessarily. Phinks's attack utilizes a condition, which makes it more powerful than it would be otherwise.

Assuming Youpi was trapped in the bungee gum and couldn't escape, Hisoka could kill him via death of a thousand cuts: Think of it like Netero's normal hand attacks on Meruem. Hisoka's attacks might deal next to no damage, but that damage would accumulate over time would eventually grow large enough to kill Youpi.

Besides, if Youpi is trapped, couldn't Hisoka place bungee gum over Youpi's face and asphyxiate him to death? (Actually, that might work on the other RG too, but it'd be harder to pull off with the other two thanks to their En.)

NemeanLion said:
Well this should be fun....
For my response, i'll be using pre-rose Meruem, bring his speed down to around Feitan or Hisoka's level and dumb him down to Gon's level

"Hisoka can actually kill Pitou and Pouf. Maybe even Youpi.
As for Meruem, do you guys think Feitan, Franklin or Phinks could destroy him?"

"100 spins from Phinks can rip Meruem...
Maybe a few hundred shots from Franklin?
If he's injured, Shizuku can absorb his blood..."

Uvogin was stated to be the strongest member of the Phantom troupe. His strongest attack was his big-bang impact. Kurapica took it head on and came off with just a broken arm(Meruem>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kurapica).The power of Phinks's punches relies on how strong he actually is. Once he reaches his max, further revolutions would be pointless as he isn't omnipotent like Alluka (Nanika to be precise) pointless revs would only make his shoulder ache more. Even if we gave Meruem a human body which he could hurt, the overwhelming difference in their nen would easily cancel it out.

Let's compare Franklin's nen bullets to Netero's zero hand. The former made quick work of businessmen in an auction room and the latter made Killua do a 180 when he felt it's murderous intent from a great distance away. It also only managed to give Meruem slight burns. Franklin would much sooner gas out than he would dent Meruem.

Feitan got beat up by the likes of Zazan, who couldn't hold a candle to any of the RG and had to rely on his pain packer for victory. If Zero hand did negligible damage to the king, rising sun wouldn't even warm him up.

Shizuku'll drain his blood? How would they injure him in the first place? Even if we put him in a fictional scenario where he's bleeding, do you expect him to just watch his blood get drained?

And finally, the star of the show, Hisoka. One of the most mysterious characters. A very versatile fighter whose ability can be useful in most situations. So what? From what we've seen, his bungee gum wouldn't help him here at all and neither would his strength or durability. It took the combined efforts of Gon, Killua and himself to catch a spike from Razor. Had their teamwork been less than perfect, all three of them would've taken damage from the impact. He broke all his fingers returning a deflection from Razor and he could barely handle the rotation of Gotoh's coins. So tell me, what significance does his rubbery gum hold here? Will he subdue him by trapping him in a web of it? Throw cards at him? LMAO. His best bet would be playing cards with him and he'd still lose!

Let me just point out it was said Uvogin was the most PHYSICALLY strong of the Phantom Troupe.

Lynx_7 said:
As for Feitan's Rising Sun, we really don't know just how strong it can get. Does it have the potential to be significantly stronger than Zero Hand depending on the damage taken? Can it equal the rose in sheer destructive power? I find it unlikely, but it's difficult to say either way, so the possibility is open.

Kuralchemist99 said:
He was able to summon a miniature sun over a broken arm. With more significant injuries, I wouldn't doubt it could be a threat to Meruem.