| You really have to grind through Clannad's like first 10-20 episodes before it gets good. |
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| No, I guess they aren't. Look who the anime is made by, if that isn't reason enough for the high rating. I don't even remember where the first season starts picking up, if it does to begin with; maybe I just liked the entire thing and never noticed. the 2nd season however, doesn't really get going until the 9th or 10th episode. |
| Clannad and Clannad AS are completely different shows. Clannad is your typical harem anime, with a couple of completely useless arcs, but Clannad AS isn't i guess. I don't want to spoil anything but you will understand once you reach AS. |
Asteriks said: Not that I'm trying to troll someone, but I really wonder why is it that Clannad is ranked so high on MAL. I wouldn't say it's "garbage" (there are some truly funny moments in the series, if nothing else), but it isn't very good either. After Story has about 10 amazing episodes in a row. Like 9/10 quality, and I'm a pretty harsh critic. Then it goes back to being mediocre in time for the ending. So yeah, don't expect too much from the fact that this series is highly rated and you'll enjoy it more. Also, nice favorites list you have there. |
| If you have just reached the 6th episode, you haven't even finished the Ibuki Fuko arc. :| You should really wait and watch more before making an assumption and calling an Anime as "garbage". There are many story arcs of individual female characters in Clannad. Now according to your likings, you may love a few of the arcs, and you might just dislike a few or all of them. But the arcs unlike other Harems do seem to possess a relatively good storyline and accompanies many funny moments throughout the series. However, this is just Clannad. You haven't even reached Clannad After Story yet. It will begin on the same note as Season 1, with a few minor characters having their own story arcs (not your typical harem here). And then begins the main story arc of the protagonist and his lover. Just hold your horses and keep on watching. You'll understand why it has been rated the way it is. |
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| It's a rather mediocre harem imo, were it not for the comedy, which was rather good at times. I also did like some of the characters, and together with the humour, it did boost the score for my part. AS had some really wonderful parts and could have been brilliant had it not suffered from a bunch of rather confusing, poorly constructed and imo, outright bad plot twists towards the end. |
| The bad plot twists?? LOL The ending that came was in accordance with the end of the Visual Novel, which supposedly has 12 different endings to it. If you manage to collect all the orbs, then the perfect ending will appear, and that is what was shown in the Anime itself. |
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abhishek14 said: The bad plot twists?? LOL The ending that came was in accordance with the end of the Visual Novel, which supposedly has 12 different endings to it. If you manage to collect all the orbs, then the perfect ending will appear, and that is what was shown in the Anime itself. Just give it up while your ahead. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3soldiern said: abhishek14 said: The bad plot twists?? LOL The ending that came was in accordance with the end of the Visual Novel, which supposedly has 12 different endings to it. If you manage to collect all the orbs, then the perfect ending will appear, and that is what was shown in the Anime itself. Just give it up while your ahead. Give what up? I'm just clarifying things here. :) |
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abhishek14 said: insan3soldiern said: abhishek14 said: The bad plot twists?? LOL The ending that came was in accordance with the end of the Visual Novel, which supposedly has 12 different endings to it. If you manage to collect all the orbs, then the perfect ending will appear, and that is what was shown in the Anime itself. Just give it up while your ahead. Give what up? I'm just clarifying things here. :) I'm saying that if you want to convince Baman about the ending, you will never succeed. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3soldiern said: abhishek14 said: insan3soldiern said: abhishek14 said: The bad plot twists?? LOL The ending that came was in accordance with the end of the Visual Novel, which supposedly has 12 different endings to it. If you manage to collect all the orbs, then the perfect ending will appear, and that is what was shown in the Anime itself. Just give it up while your ahead. Give what up? I'm just clarifying things here. :) I'm saying that if you want to convince Baman about the ending, you will never succeed. He's that stubborn is he? O_O Well I didn't mean to force my opinion on him. If he finds it bad then so be it. :P I just clarified the reason behind those plot twists towards the end. =) |
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insan3soldiern said: If you want to convince anyone in an Internet argument, you will never succeed.* FixedI'm saying that if you want to convince Baman about the ending, you will never succeed. Even as a huge Key/KyoAni/moe fag who is easily impressed I found the ending to be quite rushed and confusing. Yes, I know how the arcs work. Yes, I've seen the timeline that explains it. As I haven't played the visual novel I can't say I know a better way that they could have approached it with but what they did sure as hell wasn't the right way. Plus that entire bit with Fuko at the end made me want to shoot myself. |
Xjellocross said: insan3soldiern said: If you want to convince anyone in an Internet argument, you will never succeed.* FixedI'm saying that if you want to convince Baman about the ending, you will never succeed. That I definitely agree on. ^_^ |
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| The story did not do a good job at all to explain the nature of the light orbs and justify the sudden shift to the perfect ending for those of us who did not play the VN. The whole bad ending/perfect ending deal works fine in a branching story VN, but I've rarely seen that implemented convincingly in a anime adaption. Trying to show both at once only clutter things more, they should have made the perfect ending a sequel or something like the other route OVAs. And no matter how they'd patch it together, I'd still consider such a happy ending bad when it erases the all the tragedy, hardships and character growth that happened prior to it. As far as plot devices goes, it's almost as bad as the "Lol it was all a dream" ones. |
Baman said: The story did not do a good job at all to explain the nature of the light orbs and justify the sudden shift to the perfect ending for those of us who did not play the VN. The whole bad ending/perfect ending deal works fine in a branching story VN, but I've rarely seen that implemented convincingly in a anime adaption. Trying to show both at once only clutter things more, they should have made the perfect ending a sequel or something like the other route OVAs. And no matter how they'd patch it together, I'd still consider such a happy ending bad when it erases the all the tragedy, hardships and character growth that happened prior to it. As far as plot devices goes, it's almost as bad as the "Lol it was all a dream" ones. Did you honestly believe that Clannad was going to turn out to be tragic? I am pretty sure that was never the intention to begin with. Also, why does everything have to be explained in words. Why can't you, I don't know, actually pay attention and think for yourself. And, the character development didn't get "erased". It is very clear, in your face clear, in fact, that Tomoya remembers everything that happens. Also, this is very much turning into an After Story thread. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3soldiern said: Yes, After Story's ending has a great message.And, the character development didn't get "erased". It is very clear, in your face clear, in fact, that Tomoya remembers everything that happens. |
| Clannad didn't even get that high a rating. It should be obvious that MAL's rating are inflated due to demography and what not. Still it's still somewhat relative. If you compare Clannad to many of the other romance comedies out there, it shines simply because it evokes emotion at a much higher rate than mostly any other in the genre, beside maybe some other works by Key. It also balance comedy and seriousness pretty well, arguably. Sometimes that's all the reasons you need to rate a show. And don't watch a show based on hype. If this isn't repeatably stated already. |
| IT DOESN'T REALLY GET GOING TILL EPISODE 5 GUYS what a dumb excuse |
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abhishek14 said: The bad plot twists?? LOL The ending that came was in accordance with the end of the Visual Novel, which supposedly has 12 different endings to it. If you manage to collect all the orbs, then the perfect ending will appear, and that is what was shown in the Anime itself. Sigh, just because it ended the same way the VN did doesn't make it good. It was a very poor ending that completely destroyed the wonderfulness that was before it. I will refain from turning this into another Clannad AS ending thread so i will take my leave now. Give it a try, AS is great up until episode 19. |
insan3soldiern said: I do believe I am quite good at reading behind the lines, I never had (much) problem with NGE even. But we just got to see some light orb effects now and then and then suddenly get a magic happy ending. Where's the logical connections there?Also, why does everything have to be explained in words. Why can't you, I don't know, actually pay attention and think for yourself. And, the character development didn't get "erased". It is very clear, in your face clear, in fact, that Tomoya remembers everything that happens. After the happy ending resets everything? Did the anime explicitly state or even imply that? |
burntlettuce said: This. You're assuming that "whatever is faithful to the original is good." Disregarding if the original is bad. Or in the most basic sense "whatever is natural is good". Are hurricanes, earthquakes, and floods good?abhishek14 said: The bad plot twists?? LOL The ending that came was in accordance with the end of the Visual Novel, which supposedly has 12 different endings to it. If you manage to collect all the orbs, then the perfect ending will appear, and that is what was shown in the Anime itself. Sigh, just because it ended the same way the VN did doesn't make it good. It was a very poor ending that completely destroyed the wonderfulness that was before it. |
| Episode 24, the recap episode, Tomoya says that he remembers a world where episodes 16 through 21 took place or something along those lines. And, anyway, between the alternate world and the light orbs I thought to myself "hey, that's got to come into play, there has got to be a reason for it." I'm done debating the ending, it's obvious no one is gonna change their minds. |
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| Sunohara should be the main character |
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| wow i really dont see how you dont like it I completly loved every ep of both. I even liked clannad and clannad AS more than air or kanon! there wasnt even one ep i didnt like both clannad and clannad AS end at ep 22 then there are two specials for each |
Asteriks said: It doesn't. And the Sunohara arc in After Story ended pretty nicely.Finished Sunohara arc (I think). Now show can only be a bigger garbage than it already is. Seriously, does this serie have something against Sunohara? |
| No. We get fans, and we get haters. If you didn't like it, you're classified as a hater. If you really liked it, you're classified as a fan. |
| I'm just watching it too, and while I do think Sunohara is a bit abused, I wouldn't at all say this show is garbage. I disliked The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, negima, and a few other "harem" shows but so far am loving clannad. It has a few obvious stereotypes but IMO they're very well done. |
| I have to agree .. clannad first season is too boring .. fuko arc took forever to end .. and it wasn't balanced very well .. some character didn't really get their chance .. plus it wasn't really funny .. |
| I dropped Clannad 5 times. Seriously. It took me one and a half years to get past the first 9 episodes and I hated the anime with a passion. I still forced myself to watch through it and now you can go check my top 5 to find Clannad After Story there. This anime is at it's worst in the Fuko arc and I think people should all definitely force their way through it. Just saying this for people who think they want to drop the anime early on. Don't do it. LostHanyou said: Since when is Haruhi a harem anime. lolI disliked The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, negima, and a few other "harem" shows but so far am loving clannad. It has a few obvious stereotypes but IMO they're very well done. |
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| Yeah, Haruhi is most definitely not a harem anime. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Is the VN any better? |
| I think it's pretty obvious that, if you don't like the anime, you won't like the VN. But, I suppose the VN would be better for someone who prefers the other girls to Nagisa. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Oh yeah, if you don't want Nagisa - this is your perfect solution. And you can get rid of her pretty easy, too xD lol. Yes, I'm a Nagisa hater and I still adore this show. Your reasons not to like this are unbelievable, I enjoyed every episode and I hated almost every episode with Nagisa in it. But let's call it a balance. Or maybe even some really strange kind of perfection. What's with all the hate for the Fuuko arc ;O lol, the AS ending is the one who should take all the hate because it literally laughed at all the tears I shed but whatever. Still love this show. Still crying whenever I watch an episode with Ushio /besides the last one/. It's been an year and I can't even think of any other anime to be in my first place. Oh, I'm just a fangirl. Not thinking clearly but yes, I think, I really think it's worth it. Oh, and excuse me but Tomoya is nothing like your cliche harem protagonist. That guy is maybe one of the coolest male anime characters ever. What nonsence >_< Noone should comment someone's personality unless he watches the whole thing. Or if he has strange taste like me :P But Tomoya is everything but cliche, boring, flat and everything that nowadays harem protagonists are. The main reason I can't find harems enjoyable (excluding Vandread) is the fact that to me personally, in most cases, other male characters are far more interesting, than the main male lead. Well I don't see the problem here? Sunohara is awesome but he's there for the fun. They are both awesome guys, it's just that their roles are set up and I can't even imagine replacing them. Btw, in the VN, Sunohara plays major role In Kyou's route /omggg, drool/ . In the OVA they didn't quite show it, but if you play it, you can see that he's not there just to play dumb. :) Talking about OVAs... I'm not satisfied with Kyou's... xD Dunno about Tomoyo's... She dumped me about a gadjilion times so I didn't complete her route D: I have Kyou, who needs Tomoyo anyway, lol |
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| Half of this anime is useless IMO, it should have been like just 13 episodes and cut crap like that Fuko character which just doesn't fit in this anime. |
| Clannad is definitely a slow-moving show. Watch more episodes because it definitely gets better. If you still don't like it, then maybe these types of animes just aren't for you. |
cancan31 said: AceOfSpades24 said: Clannad is definitely a slow-moving show. Watch more episodes because it definitely gets better. If you still don't like it, then maybe these types of animes just aren't for you. I watched many episodes, personally I think it was the comedy in the anime, something about it just didn't work for me. (I did like After Story much more though, all except the ending). Personally it didn't even seem like Clannad was necessary to enjoy After Story. No disrespect intended (and if I come off this way I am deeply sorry) but what types of animes are you referring to? Comedy-dramas like Clannad, Kanon, etc. |
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