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Aug 29, 2009 12:40 PM

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Dammit, I hate that moaning BGM so much. I mean it doesnt suit Cal's character at all, something rock-ish or De Niro-ish is more suited for her attitude IMHO. Well, other than that, things are pretty much going smoothly according to the plot, except the date's end like everyone here said, need some clearer directing.

Too much talk, not much action, most of the scenes are executed in the story-telling's fashion, not much different than the VN other than the refining characters. So at this point, this show is only a pretty-to-look-at serie IMO, but who knows, still hoping for the best in next ep, guess the other masterpieces of the previous generation set the bar to high for me. <_<



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Aug 29, 2009 12:45 PM

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I think Cal's music is perfect for her
Aug 29, 2009 1:14 PM

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Dammit, I hate that moaning BGM so much. I mean it doesnt suit Cal's character at all


I fully agree with you. It doesn't suit her at all. I understand that they wanted her to have two BGM's, but the moaning one is plainly ridiculous.
Aug 29, 2009 1:26 PM

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koteg-senpai said:
I think Cal's music is perfect for her


_The one when she talk with Reiji: OK, not the best but I can K-On it.

_The one when she beat the shit outta the punks: http://i30.tinypic.com/2yl9vyh.jpg



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Aug 29, 2009 2:41 PM

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I hate Cal. I thought she was annoying when she was a kid, but after 2 years I really want her dead now.
Aug 29, 2009 2:51 PM

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Wow....

Now Cal turned from character that annoyed me to character that I hate.
She is so f***** naive it hurts.

I really, really, really hope Ellen doesn't die, she is (imho) the most developed character in this show(even though she doesn't really have emotions :)).

The question Ein asked Zwei was a great question. It's the same thing I'm wondering. But if he truly left his past and lives in present it's quite obvious which one he's going to choose. Somehow I doubt that. Reiji proved many times so far he is inconsistent person.

Cal is turning into real villain, and Reiji into tragic hero. What's interesting is that, for the first time, I really can't predict what's going to happen. From ep1 up to now it was quite obvious (some details not, but heck), but now...it's all clouded by character decisions, and judging by so far, they change their mind way too often.

Anyhow, if I were to guess, and I really mean guess, I'd say Ein is going to die, Zwei is going to die, inferno will probably be destroyed before that, Drei (Cal) is going to realise what really happened and regret her decisions.
Aug 29, 2009 3:03 PM

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Well, this episode was for the fans of character development, and it had next to no action. I have to say that I'm extremely pleased how they displayed Cal. In order not to spoil I don't really want to comment on her directly myself, but maybe a hint is okay:

There are clear disconnects between what others say about her (SM/Lizzie), what she says about herself, and how she acts. Careful viewers should be able to pick up first clues about what's REALLY making her tick. What is REALLY driving her, and why she does what she does.

When you find these inconsistencies, ask yourself "Why did she react like THAT?" ... that might be some good practice for those viewers who are content with "they change their mind without reason", which usually indicates that they haven't really been paying close enough attention.
Aug 29, 2009 3:12 PM

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She is so f***** naive it hurts.


It is more lost trust then naivety and the fact that from her perspective it is impossible to see Reiji's reasons for doing what he did.
The fact that Reiji "confesses" what he has done with his "You have the right to kill me" rather then trying to explain something doesn't really help either.

I really, really, really hope Ellen doesn't die, she is (imho) the most developed character in this show(even though she doesn't really have emotions :)).


I myself feel that her potential was left unused. In first part, she was good (or at least promising), but then it went downhill. In chapter 2, I got a picture that her only purpose was to first serve as an invisible enemy and then give Reiji a reason to run away and make Cal hate him.
I would have liked it if her loyalty to Scyhte and loyalty to Reiji came into a conflict in chapter 2 thus giving it more drama and making their reunion more emotional, but instead they too quickly became friends again and it made it look like the only purpose of that reunion was to give Cal a reason to hate Reiji. True, there was some conflict, but it could have been used in a better way I feel.
For most of chapter 3, well it would be spoiling but let me just say that she was underused again, IMO.

I can't but feel that much more could have been done with Elen.

Cal is turning into real villain


Ironically, they cut a lot of scenes that made her look like a real villain which I am not sure I really like. It makes her turning into Drei less dramatic IMO.

What's interesting is that, for the first time, I really can't predict what's going to happen


Well, there are three endings that anime might take from the game (one of them having near 0 chances of happening, other two having equal) plus a possible anime original ending so it shouldn't surprise that it is hard to guess what happens next.
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Mentar said:
Well, this episode was for the fans of character development, and it had next to no action. I have to say that I'm extremely pleased how they displayed Cal. In order not to spoil I don't really want to comment on her directly myself, but maybe a hint is okay:

There are clear disconnects between what others say about her (SM/Lizzie), what she says about herself, and how she acts. Careful viewers should be able to pick up first clues about what's REALLY making her tick. What is REALLY driving her, and why she does what she does.

When you find these inconsistencies, ask yourself "Why did she react like THAT?" ... that might be some good practice for those viewers who are content with "they change their mind without reason", which usually indicates that they haven't really been paying close enough attention.


Thanks for your efforts to enlighten the swamp of Cal haters, though your hint might be too subtle for them to pick up, especially when their hatred is already evolved into... Mudkip, er, I mean prejudice, yeah, prejudice



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Aug 29, 2009 3:23 PM

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It kills me when people can't/hesitate to articulate themselves. After all of this neither Lizzie nor Reiji has told Cal the simple fact that he left because he thought she was dead. It kills me how blindly she follows scythe and her angsty-rebel without a cause-teenage mood. Picking fights for no reason, speaking like she's the shit when really she doesn't know ANYTHING about past motives and who scythe truly is.

If Cal isn't dead by episode 26 I will give this series nothing better than a 6.
Aug 29, 2009 3:33 PM

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Noooo!!! Why did Cal become like that??



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Only 4 episodes left, which visual novel ending will this be?

Aug 29, 2009 3:36 PM

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That's what I mean with "not paying enough attention".

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It kills me when people can't/hesitate to articulate themselves. After all of this neither Lizzie nor Reiji has told Cal the simple fact that he left because he thought she was dead.


Lizzie doesn't know that, and she DID try to tell Cal at least that he was protecting her in the past. I do concede though that Reiji's unwillingness to at least TRY to make her understand was the biggest source of irritation for me while playing the game.

It kills me how blindly she follows scythe and her angsty-rebel without a cause-teenage mood.


She isn't following Scythe at all, let alone blindly. Didn't you watch the subs? "Scythe no yatsu" is really no indicator that she accepts his lead in ANY way.

The "angsty-rebel without a cause" mood as you put it is Cal's way to cope - but with what exactly?

Picking fights for no reason, speaking like she's the shit when really she doesn't know ANYTHING about past motives and who scythe truly is.


Again, you're completely misreading her relationship with Scythe. Rather tell me: What ARE her motives?
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However, it seems that Elen is somewhat wrong as that Reiji intends on sacrificing himself for the sake of Elen by letting Cal kill him as long as she promises to leave Elen alone. Cal definitely is unhappy hearing it,[...]


Yes. But why? Why does she react so strongly to this?

[...]not to mention that Reiji refuses to duel with her yet acknowledging her as a new Phantom while that he is a merely a student. Unfortunately, even if Reiji does that, Inferno will not acknowledge Cal as the new Phantom and neither does Cal like the idea either.


Again, why?

Oh, and Inferno already HAS accepted her as Phantom.

Reiji calls Shiga and threatens him that unless their safety is ensured, bad things will occur to their princess, even though Reiji prioritizes protecting the princess. Somehow, Cal sees this as something bad.


Tell you what, I see that as something bad too ^_^... he's blackmailing Shiga by threatening Mio. "Prioritizes protecting" her? Where's that coming from?

Cal thinks of Reiji as a liar for using Elen's wild card and also abandoning her.


Naturally. From her point of view, Reiji is cowardly using yet another girl close to him for HIS protection. And even with justification.
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lolz the moaning music like u guys said are wtf? and random indeed XD

but dam cant wait to watch the next episode.. and wonder what Cal would tell her
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BitchMaster said:

Thanks for your efforts to enlighten the swamp of Cal haters, though your hint might be too subtle for them to pick up, especially when their hatred is already evolved into... Mudkip, er, I mean prejudice, yeah, prejudice


Prejudice? Nope, I didn't like her when she was loli because I found her annoying back then. But even though I didn't like her, I never wished her to die.

On the other hand, in last 2 episodes I developed strong hatred towards her. Not that much because of her, as because of the way she was portraited.
Just as Nayrael said: "Ironically, they cut a lot of scenes that made her look like a real villain which I am not sure I really like."
Yes, I know it's because of lost trust, but you don't go so far as to torture, molest, kill whole family because of lost trust.

As I said in my prediction, I think she will be the only one out of the three to survive, and she will be a "good girl" so to say in the end.
I understand she had some issues (clearly still has) with Reiji leaving, but did she even ask him why in this episode?
Yes, yes, hatred and all that stuff. But I think after 2 years there would be more curiosity. Simple why would be enough. She never ever asked why.

It's hard to believe she completely lost her feelings. She didn't look like that kind of person before. And now I will answer this one myself. She didn't lost her feelings, she still likes/loves him.
But heck, the way she is portraited in this episode it looked as if he killed her whole family, raped her dog and ate her kitty.

Sure, she is angry and stuff, but they went way overboard with that...

PS. I'd like to correct one thing I said. I said Reiji is inconsistent. Bad choice of words. He's not inconsistent, but rather indecisive. He still has doubts in his mind...a lot of them actually :)
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Cal's lost it, she's just crazy over revenge now. Even if she managed to kill Zwei she wouldn't stop there, she'd just go hunting after Ein. Hard to believe she's changed that much during the time-skip.
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Even if she managed to kill Zwei she wouldn't stop there, she'd just go hunting after Ein


Look at her conversation with Ein more closely. Also look at what she tells to Reiji when she breaks his and Mio's date.
If you look more closely, you can see her feelings towards Ein. They are not actually what people expect them to be, you see.
Aug 29, 2009 3:58 PM

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Cal's lost it, she's just crazy over revenge now. Even if she managed to kill Zwei she wouldn't stop there, she'd just go hunting after Ein. Hard to believe she's changed that much during the time-skip.


I'll jump into my own mouth now, and say she's just pissed off for now. I think she was waiting to see him for long time to show him what she went through because of him, and those emotions are short lasting. I may be wrong (I hope I am) and she turns into psycho maniac, but I seriously doubt that. Not based on her previous development.
Aug 29, 2009 4:02 PM

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The scene between Lizzie and Cal is gold
but it makes me wonder.
Aug 29, 2009 4:16 PM

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Wassup wit the porno theme at the end before the ending theme comes on lol
Aug 29, 2009 4:20 PM

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Personally, I think that the best ending is Ein and Drei dead. That way Reiji can live knowing that his lack of communication was the cause of those deaths. Personally though, they all need to die: SM, Lizzie, Shiga, Ein, Zwei, Drei, and Inferno head.
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noteDhero said:
Personally, I think that the best ending is Ein and Drei dead. That way Reiji can live knowing that his lack of communication was the cause of those deaths. Personally though, they all need to die: SM, Lizzie, Shiga, Ein, Zwei, Drei, and Inferno head.


Who is going to live than? This new girl whose name I can't remember (Fujieda?)
Don't you think it's kind of cruel towards Reiji? :)
Also, you do realise it's impossible...this show will have happy ending, no doubt about that...(as happy as it can be, either Cal or Ellen fans won't be happy).
Aug 29, 2009 5:02 PM

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Fujieda? The bitch with the glasses? She can die too. None of the main cast deserves to live in my opinion. They all live wasted lives.

That's why I want him to live...I'm cruel like that:D

Yeah, I know it's impossible, but it's nice to fantasize before they air the ending. I actually am not sure that this will have a happy ending. It might be more angsty with a ray of hope.
Aug 29, 2009 5:04 PM

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I'm not sure if Cal can be saved after her steadfast resolution in killing Reiji, but there's always hope it happens.

Was a good development episode, regardless.
Aug 29, 2009 5:51 PM

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noteDhero said:
Personally, I think that the best ending is Ein and Drei dead. That way Reiji can live knowing that his lack of communication was the cause of those deaths. Personally though, they all need to die: SM, Lizzie, Shiga, Ein, Zwei, Drei, and Inferno head.


Oh shi-, now not only we have Cal seeking revenge, but noteDhero too? 0___0

After Claudia was dead, he can no longer drooling over her jiggles...er giggles while running on the beach so now he start to curse the rest of the cast in a "V for varmint" fashion. Can I expext you to raid next while wearing a butterfly mask and a high cut swimwear, noteDhero? ;)



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Aug 29, 2009 6:05 PM

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I think your reference has gone totally over my head.

But you are forgetting: the last thing I would drool over are a woman's "jiggles."
Aug 29, 2009 6:13 PM

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Hmm, the "showdown" between Elen and Cal was less dramatic than I was hoping for =/ I liked how Elen challenged Cal's motives, but overall, it wasn't really too exciting. Cal got it right when she remarked how boring an "ending" it was.

Also, as others have said, pocket watch theme + techno beat + moaning orgasm = random and weird, and led to much "WTF?" from me while watching. And people have also commented on the unclear date scene in the park so I won't say more on that.

Kudos, though, goes to Reiji's seiyuu - I loved his voice while he was talking to Shiga xD

noteDhero said:
Personally, I think that the best ending is Ein and Drei dead. That way Reiji can live knowing that his lack of communication was the cause of those deaths. Personally though, they all need to die: SM, Lizzie, Shiga, Ein, Zwei, Drei, and Inferno head.

A couple of episodes ago, I guessed Ein will die - those scenes in the church (and talk of confessing her sins) gave me that feeling. I'm now thinking Drei might die in the end, too. Her actions are quite self-destructive (all her risk-taking) and I can picture her dying and realizing, at the last moment, the mistakes she's made about Reiji.

Well, we'll see.
Aug 29, 2009 6:30 PM

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So in this episode we got "crazy bitch", as Lizzie calls her, going all emo, angst, self-pitying, overconfident, self-destroying rock star, while trying to be some cool shit that can hide her true feelings. Am I watching Gundam Seed Destiny? The way new Cal is portrayed in this show reminds me of a typical satire of a teenager. But maybe that's what she is, who knows? Again they showed that she's using way too many useless movements because she's an movie fan, Elen could've shot her while she was doing that pirouette or whatever when pulling out her gun. But that wouldn't have been fun, right? :]

The "Melody" Techno Remix feat. Orgasm Over 9000 bgm was again disturbing but I don't mind since that's probably what it's supposed to be as Cal's new personality is disturbing itself, so they're just using something that suits the atmosphere.

Also did they try to make Japan look like some holy church where there's no violence, and the only ones bringing that to the holy land are horrible uncivilized Gaijins? Are they trying to say that the US (since most of the action takes place there in the beginning) is a fucked up country where people can shoot anyone they want whenever they want?

Elen is still trying to play this carefully while her sucky boyfriend is still being a faggot. Seems our girl Cal has some feelings for Elen too (yeah I'm exaggerating), Elen x Cal ending anyone? x)
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I was really irritated by InfernoSubs taking "editorial license" in this one. Nobody ever said anything like "fucking," "Jesus Christ," "goddamn," etc. Also seeing the internet meme "feels good man" completely distracted me from an important Cal conversation. What the fuck guys, just do your fucking job and stop messing around.

Despite previous comments on this ep, I think they've done a really good job as far as Reiji not explaining things to Drei. In 99% of shows that bother me as much as anyone else, but they have made it perfectly clear that she is completely beyond being reasoned with. And I think Lizzie made a great attempt at trying to explain, to Drei who could kill her instantly if she pisses her off.

I can see why this unreasonableness bothers a lot of people, but as someone who has been through a lot of shit, I can tell you that sometimes Not Knowing is worse. If you don't know exactly what happened, it's impossible to deal with a problem and move on. In that situation, we tend to assume the worst thing we can imagine, if only to have a solid base from which we can walk away. I think Cal's mental state is very accurately human.

I don't think she's completely irretrievable, either. She hasn't thrown away the pocketwatch (although she has perverted it into an ugly toy for killing, which Reiji always wanted to protect her from). I predict that Reiji will get the chance to talk to the real Cal again, but getting her to that receptive state will require some blood.
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I was really irritated by InfernoSubs taking "editorial license" in this one. Nobody ever said anything like "fucking," "Jesus Christ," "goddamn," etc. Also seeing the internet meme "feels good man" completely distracted me from an important Cal conversation. What the fuck guys, just do your fucking job and stop messing around.


Wow, that's some awesome subs, may you introduce me the link? It might actually make me re-watch it just for the sake of LULZ 8-)



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Aug 29, 2009 8:32 PM

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Wonder who Reiji will choose. He's been with Ein for a while but he probably feels really bad for what's happened to Cal. Sweet episode though.
Aug 29, 2009 9:12 PM

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I really hope Reiji mans up and does something about this. Obviously he isn't going to just let Cal kill him. I think in the process of Cal "torturing" him before she kills him, Sythe will do something to betray Cal for his own benefit, thus causing her to learn the truth.

Overall, not much progress, but hopefully Mio will be out of the way soon seeing as her situation is dragging on.
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noteDhero said:
Personally, I think that the best ending is Ein and Drei dead. That way Reiji can live knowing that his lack of communication was the cause of those deaths. Personally though, they all need to die: SM, Lizzie, Shiga, Ein, Zwei, Drei, and Inferno head.


As much as I don't want to see Ellen or Cal die, I think your right. It might be a better ending if they both die. SM should be killed, preferably by Ellen since she was his first "creation" and he claims she cant kill him. The end would leave Reiji alone, by himself, just like how he was introduced.

Either that or the three join forces, fight SM's other "phantoms" + inferno dieing in the process. As the ED always says "We are ghosts that cannot exist anywhere".

As for this episode and Cal...her personality is a bit more clear. Her nativity is worse then I originally thought but there's clearly something else bugging her that may or may not be related to Reiji per say. The ally scene with the moaning music makes me think she was "used" when Reiji left her. She may be blaming him for the stuff that happened while she was alone with SM. This is just an assumption but maybe SM's plan to make her hatred grow for Reiji was to throw her into situations that she wouldn't have encountered if Reiji was around protecting/supporting her. Again that's just an assumption that I originally dismissed when someone mentioned prostitution in the last thread, but after watching this episode and seeing 4 or 5 hints it made me reconsider the possibility that maybe Cal was put through hell while Reiji was gone.
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Also did they try to make Japan look like some holy church where there's no violence, and the only ones bringing that to the holy land are horrible uncivilized Gaijins? Are they trying to say that the US (since most of the action takes place there in the beginning) is a fucked up country where people can shoot anyone they want whenever they want?



Well a crime can happen everywhere but truly no other developed country has so many guns and pullets flying around as the U.S. You can't say they are completely of. The possibility of someone coming in to your store with a gun trying to rob you are 10 times more in the U.S than Japan or Europe.

Anyway about the episode. I was a little disappointed because there wasn't as much development as i would have liked.
Ellen didn't fall for the little play of Cal. Actually she really gave her a harsh pep talk.
And Cal is full of it. All that scary talk is nothing since she doesn't really seem to me like she wants to kill Reiji. She doesn't even hate him. She's just releasing her frustration. If she wanted to kill him she should have already done it by now. All that "Am gone a torture you first" staff looked to me more like "I can't pull the trigger" staff. So basically she's just lost.
But she might develop a new hate for Reiji because of jealousy of his relationship with Ein. Women to get jealous easily. I guess we will have to wait and see about that.
I have a feeling that in the end she will be the one killing Scythe Master and maybe dying from fighting those other phantoms if the series isn't afraid of the non completely happing ending.
And Mio disappearing and appearing behind a tree was really the biggest screw up they made in Phantom until now. I hope in the Blu-ray,DVD versions they fix this thing.
For the end i want to say that i thought the episode was gone a end and we wouldn't hear the famous by now porn theme but the creators obviously didn't want to disappoint us. lol. Maybe they can put a male voice there also, screaming "Yeah you like it bitch, don't you?" and our porn experience will be full.
Aug 29, 2009 10:12 PM

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Cal is pissing me off! I wish Reji would tell her how he thought she DIED!!! God, im fucking pissed off.
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Cal is pissing me off! I wish Reji would tell her how he thought she DIED!!! God, im fucking pissed off.


Blame Reiji's sudden stupidity for being unable to stick 2 words together to explain to Cal the whole thing instead of mumbling: "Cal" this; Cal "that" like he was a mummy or something. Can't blame the guy though, either he was at a loss of words due to Cal's petrifying hotness, or he was profoundly shocked because no more LOLI for him ;p



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BitchMaster said:
Shancakeschan said:
Cal is pissing me off! I wish Reji would tell her how he thought she DIED!!! God, im fucking pissed off.


Blame Reiji's sudden stupidity for being unable to stick 2 words together to explain to Cal the whole thing instead of mumbling: "Cal" this; Cal "that" like he was a mummy or something. Can't blame the guy though, either he was at a loss of words due to Cal's petrifying hotness, or he was profoundly shocked because no more LOLI for him ;p


Reiji= Noob he was stuttering when he tried to explain what had happened 2 years ago. But nuup he just ended up getting punched >_< WHAMMM
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I thought moaning BGM was already around back when Clau was still kicking - and it sorta suits em both considering their rack :) .. I can more or less live with it .. the other Cal theme music is pure awesome

if Cal dies - Ein must die as well IMHO .. either that or all 3 live .. but Reiji will probably live anyhow .. Ein should kill SM - or Lizzie - or Shiga .. someone should kill the Sephiroth wannabe from Inferno too
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Awesome episode as always. The slow pace of the episode doesn't bother me, really, after all, rushing things and putting in violence and gunfights just for the sake of it might really ruin the anime.

Anyways, for those who think that Reji is indecisive: if someone would be asked to choose between his wife and kid, I'm not sure what else remains than to be indecisive. Cal's hate for Reji is not mainly because Reji abandoned her; her hate is more so driven by the fact that Reji abandoned her for another woman and is living a peaceful student life. Reji loves Cal, not in the sense of a lover but maybe as a younger sister. Cal loves Reji, though her true feelings towards him seem a bit hazy to me [does she love him as a older brother, a mentor or as a lover?].

Also regarding the ending, it's gonna be a bloodbath, that's for sure. I'd very much like a happy ending though given the way the anime has developed over this span of 22 eps, it kinda seems difficult. Of course, those who have played the game or read the manga[?] might be in a better position to drop hints. ;-)

This is all IMHO, of course. :-)
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Monad said:
Alexstratz said:
Also did they try to make Japan look like some holy church where there's no violence, and the only ones bringing that to the holy land are horrible uncivilized Gaijins? Are they trying to say that the US (since most of the action takes place there in the beginning) is a fucked up country where people can shoot anyone they want whenever they want?

Well a crime can happen everywhere but truly no other developed country has so many guns and pullets flying around as the U.S. You can't say they are completely of. The possibility of someone coming in to your store with a gun trying to rob you are 10 times more in the U.S than Japan or Europe.

Yup, I live in Europe and there's far more, and better, firearm control than in the US. But the way they keep repeating this just makes me wonder if they're talking about fact or prejudice. It's not like you can get killed in a popular restaurant or a church that easily in the US. Cal must be portrayed as another barbarian Gaijin who doesn't know anything or care about Japanese traditions and is going by her uncivilized foreigner ways. :p (And seeing how eccentric she's right now, that description suits her)

Also saying something like "This is Japan you can't start a firefight" is different from saying "This isn't Inferno territory [by extension the US] etc..." But I'm probably just paranoiac and thinking too much. :D
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Alexstratz said:
Monad said:
Alexstratz said:
Also did they try to make Japan look like some holy church where there's no violence, and the only ones bringing that to the holy land are horrible uncivilized Gaijins? Are they trying to say that the US (since most of the action takes place there in the beginning) is a fucked up country where people can shoot anyone they want whenever they want?

Well a crime can happen everywhere but truly no other developed country has so many guns and pullets flying around as the U.S. You can't say they are completely of. The possibility of someone coming in to your store with a gun trying to rob you are 10 times more in the U.S than Japan or Europe.

Yup, I live in Europe and there's far more, and better, firearm control than in the US. But the way they keep repeating this just makes me wonder if they're talking about fact or prejudice. It's not like you can get killed in a popular restaurant or a church that easily in the US. Cal must be portrayed as another barbarian Gaijin who doesn't know anything or care about Japanese traditions and is going by her uncivilized foreigner ways. :p (And seeing how eccentric she's right now, that description suits her)

Also saying something like "This is Japan you can't start a firefight" is different from saying "This isn't Inferno territory [by extension the US] etc..." But I'm probably just paranoiac and thinking too much. :D
IMO, saying "This is Japan" is pretty much the same as saying "This isn't Inferno territory". They both make a point that they are in foreign waters where they can't cover up their crimes as easily as they would with the use of connections/corruption.

I'm also glad I'm not alone in thinking that moaning bgm is just... blah. Sounds really awkward when used. I'm looking forward to the conflict happening soon as well as the introduction of Scythe's phantom group... Zahlen Schwestern was it?
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I was really irritated by InfernoSubs taking "editorial license" in this one. Nobody ever said anything like "fucking," "Jesus Christ," "goddamn," etc. Also seeing the internet meme "feels good man" completely distracted me from an important Cal conversation. What the fuck guys, just do your fucking job and stop messing around.


This is called localization. Could you really not pick up that Cal's language is EXTREMELY raw and abusive? Count the "kuso"s (shit) in the episode and then consider what they mean. And the translation has to mirror this.

Example: As reaction to hearing that Shiga had forbidden her to take action against Reiji/Elen due to the Mio blackmail, Cal yells "Fuzakenna!". To translate this, the context is important. Used for example in a "kind" setting like Bamboo Blade (when Dan introduced his ridiculously gorgeous girlfriend) it can be the normal "You got to be kidding!". But said in this tone, with Cal's general disposition, it _is_ "Fuck!".
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Cal sounds kinda.. batshit crazy, when she's speaking to Elen in the beginning : D
And she's pretty screwed up in her head, ain't she?
Not much action in this episode, really, although in general it was quite a good episode.
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Well, Ein Vs Call was predictable from way back when when Cal appeared in this series...

I think Cal and Regi will go against each other but Regi is the better "phantom" assassin.

This episode was good, the series is turning out to be pretty good too...
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Much more interesting than the last two or three episodes, except that the first scene was absolutely ridiculous and over-expected once again, we simply can't feel anything with such a bad setup. Except from that, it was quite nicely directed even if slow, with relatively interesting developments.

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Earbleed again with ALI PROJECT, and why the heck FUNimation had to chose several incompetents seiyus to voice the main characters? Its so hard to sympathize with Cal or either Reiji, the park scene where she slaps his face seems so non-beliavable and with so much lack of emotion that disgust me. Anyway its really sad to know that the ending is extremely predictable, only 4 episodes left and the main cast didn't even had time to build a relationship.

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I think Cal and Regi will go against each other but Regi is the better "phantom" assassin.

Still not clear which ending will it be.

Anyways I stop liking Cal more and more with every ep... It's heading wrong direction.
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i hope they wont choose the bad ending where
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i hope they wont choose the bad ending where

I think Reiji developed feelings for Cal, but that fire just had to happen.
And i dont really think Reiji will die>_< If he does elen is probably going to die with him
Since episode 18, elen said she doesnt want to be in a world without reiji's existence. So this ending would be very rare. unless they both die O_O ....
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woo-hoo...another great episode.
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