| And I don't mean Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, etc. What are the older anime series that people are referring to when they say "it's been done before?" I really want to watch these series first now, and then move on to newer stuff. |
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| Speed Racer is the only REALLY old one I know. |
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| If you want to go way back, try anything from Osamu Tezuka (Astro Boy, Phoenix, Black Jack, etc.), who is considered the one who started/influence much of what we have today in manga and anime. This might apply more to manga, though - I don't know much about the anime series of these ^^;; |
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Aeterna said: If you want to go way back, try anything from Osamu Tezuka (Astro Boy, Phoenix, Black Jack, etc.) Those |
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llxwarbirdxll said: Code Geass and Gundam 00. lol |
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| Lupin III. |
| These few I have seen and all are very well done. Legend of the Galactic Heroes - watching it right now and it is very well done. Armored Trooper VOTOMS Some others that I've heard are good but have not seen: Patlabor, Saint Seiya, Record of Lodoss War, Star Blazers, Mazinger Z,Cyborg 009(the one in the 70's), 8 Man, Gigantor, Speed Racer, Astro Boy Just to name a few... |
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| How about Ronin Warriors? I think this was the first anime I ever truly watched, if it can be called an anime. Is it a classic, or just a random Nickelodeon (I think that was the network) show? |
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| Urusei Yatsura is one of the founders of the comedy/stereotype/harem/romance genres, so I guess that could be called a classic. |
| voltron? i dunno, really old animes havent stood the test of time. In fact, id only be willing to watch Mobile Suit Gundam and some astro boy eps. |
| What about the original Dragonball? or even Sailormoon for making magical girl genre popular? |
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| Maison Ikkoku, or basically any 80's Rumiko Takahashi's works are classic. Original Gundam, Macross, Mazinger Z, and Tetsujin 28 are mecha classic. Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya are shonen classics. The Rose of Versailles, Glass Mask (manga at least), Attack No. 1 are shoujo classics. Sailor Moon is a modern shoujo classic. City Hunter and Hokuto no Ken are classic no matter what. Osamu Tesuka and some of early Ghibli movies are classic like Totoro, Laputa, and Nausicaa (although it was before the Ghibli formation). brand_182 said: How about Ronin Warriors? I think this was the first anime I ever truly watched, if it can be called an anime. Is it a classic, or just a random Nickelodeon (I think that was the network) show? Dunno if I could call Ronin Warriors classic. This and other "armor" anime I forgot the name during the 80's was kinda riding on Saint Seiya's popularity. At least this was my impression when they were on TV. |
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| Lupin III and Mobile Suit Gundam. People need to watch more older anime, damn shame that people scoff at it just because the animation is dated. Pathetic actually is the term to use |
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| It's pathetic that people would be so discouraged from checking out an anime because the animation is dated. It's like not watching an old film because it's in black and white. A good story is a good story. A great cast of characters is a great cast of characters. Watch something within the context of when it's made not just go well it was done in the 1970s so it doesn't have the CGI that today has so eh to that. It doesn't have to look the prettiest to be great. There's more to an anime then just how it looks Of course the animation is going to continue becoming better and better and of course their should be a standard to what an anime is judged visually because it should look decent, but you're going to continually forget and leave behind past great animes just because the animation keeps progressing. Like I said before you have to keep in the context of the series. Just like how we've moved from filming movies in a certain way to HD etc. |
martin03345Jul 22, 2009 1:23 AM
Brian333 said: martin03345 said: And it seems you've totally missed the point and just continue to rant about your taste and preference being better than someone else's. I agree it's a pity that a great deal of individuals will base their willingness to watch a series on its animation but to say it's pathetic is sad enough in itself. Animation is like the muscle and skin of the anatomy of japanese animation. It's inseparable from how you enjoy a story, a sound track, a cast of characters, and fundamentally everything about an anime. When you talk about the most critically celebrated anime works, it inevitably comes down to a question of how well the differing elements in its delivery mesh together. Animation goes a long, long way in communicating a story or describing a cast of characters. A good story is not a good story if it's not communicated well. A great cast of characters is not a great cast of characters if it's not communicated well. This much is not opinion, it is fact. And thus, individuals who prefer fresher, more advanced animation exist. To say they are pathetic with an apparent assumption that they're shallow and can't enjoy the story or characters without good visual aids is pretty low. To say that you and your kind alone possess some type of superiority to others that are merely different in their ability to appreciate an entertainment medium is blatant bigotry. A certain standard must be held for animation of course but you can't blindly cast aside the value of something because it didn't have the means to produce the visuals that it does now. You don't say the sword is a horrible weapon when you apply it to Roman military because you have to take into context the time it was created and how it did against other choices of main military weaponry of the day. It does project the story and characters and that standard must be there to portray it in a proper and well done manner but it's something that is more forgiving to have some what weaker visuals then to say if the story was weaker or the characters. It's a two way street, perfect visuals but lack of any true substance is no good but a well crafted story with eye sores of visuals is bad as well. My problem isn't with people preferring anime because it's more modern and fresh looking, my problem is that people cast aside older anime without even looking into the background of it or what it's about because the animation is old. That's bigotry. Don't confuse my post with bigotry or arrogance because it's not. Pathetic may be a strong word on my part but it is sad that people can't view something within context |
martin03345Jul 22, 2009 1:54 AM
| Dragon Ball, when Goku was a Kid. |
| There are some old animes (lotsa actually) that have dated animation, but good animation done before are still good today. It uses different techniques, but they are still good. Somewhat seems like a discussion of older special effects vs new special effects. The old one was good back then and still is good till today and the same with the new. Bad special effects of the past are still bad today and new special effects done badly are still a sore thumb to watch. The same goes to games as well. Games I thought were nice looking are still nice looking even today. Even some Atari games I still think are really well done graphically despite the graphical limitations. Same goes with animation IMO. Most of today's anime are still badly animated despite being more "eye candy-ish" and there are the occasional over abuse of CG in some cases. Somewhat like animes from the past. Lotsa are badly and cheaply done and didn't age well, but some still awe me animation-wise. |
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Brian333 said: martin03345 said: And, again, there will be people who enjoy the eye-candy of anime and there will be people who look for more. It's not like this is some strange phenomenon specific to anime. There are people who will prefer a great looking product that might work horribly. Having its visual presence is enough to make them happy. There are people who greatly appreciate the right blend of colors, form, and composition in an art piece and value those factors more than the art's message or historical significance. There are people who will prefer looking at great looking women that might have cardboardesque personalities rather than drooling over pictures of nerds and socially withdrawn wallflowers. Are those people all pathetic according to your logic, too? Because the fundamental idea is all the same. And no, you don't use the term bigot in describing one's individual preferences in an entertainment medium that's very much supposed to be preferential. You think everyone is supposed to love all anime equally or some bull shit like that? Being a bigot is what you're doing. Claiming some higher ground because you see a world others don't and labeling them as pathetic. Just like in my first analogy regarding the product, the point of an entertainment medium is the pursuit of enjoyment and thus happiness. So long as it makes someone happy, what's the point in crashing their party with your unneeded and unwarranted criticism? You're being a tad too oversensitive about the whole idea. Let's not criticize anything, let's not share opinions and discuss why you may think one thing is shallow and the other divulge why they might think otherwise. I'm not claiming any higher ground what so ever. I'm not even attacking people for thinking otherwise. I may think it's sad that someone might not view something because they can't appreciate something for what it was in that time (by that I simply mean TRY before casting the stone judgment) but you don't see me calling you a cock eating douche bag of a human being for having your opinion on what pure visuals may mean to someone now do you? But I'm digressing now aren't I? I could easily call you a bigot for shoving down your everyone has their own opinion but you hypocritically attack me for saying that people not trying something new because it's old is sad opinion. Everyone can have their opinion but saying not to bring up why they have it and why you disagree to start maybe a debate or friendly conversation is asinine beyond belief. I'm not trolling them. |
| I'd recommend Dragonball and DBZ as well (even though I'm not too fond of DBZ after the Freeza saga), still something I'd recommend people to watch |
Brian333 said: martin03345 said: Then perhaps I suggest you learn a bit more english as calling someone sad and pathetic isn't exactly a compliment and will rarely be received as something positive. Denouncing someone else's preferences when they're fully entitled to have them isn't exactly the foundation of intelligent discussion. I don't know what type of society you come from but insulting someone is not exactly the preferred method for extending a friendly hand or asking for a friendly conversation. It's like opening with the statement "I think you're pathetic for holding that opinion, but okay, let me shove my opinion down your throat." I'm merely saying that it's only polite to not only acknowledge, but to also respect someone's preferences in relation to a medium of entertainment that's based entirely on preference. As much as you love your own opinion, it doesn't mean someone else is pathetic for having their own view on the issue. If you wanted to present the argument you have, an argument which I think is a sound one with better support, it's best you learn to accept and understand the other side first. And I'm a bigot for defending the aspects of reality that directly counter being a bigot? Do you even know what the word means? I'm asking you to be more tolerant of other beliefs or opinions. A bigot is someone who is not. And, when individuals say that they place visual appeal highly on their list of priorities, that's really the end of that story. If it's what they want, who are you to tell them that it's pathetic and they should want what you want them to want? I don't get all bent out of shape when someone says what I like sucks or is unpleasant to them. I take it in stride and say that's your opinion. I disagree but it's nothing to get overly angry about. It's not being a bigot for disagreeing with someone's opinion. In fact, I haven't even said one thing that comes off as being intolerant of anothers opinion on anime as an entertainment medium. I said I thought it was sad and pathetic. That's not saying well to hell with why you have your view and it's wrong, it's saying I don't see the way you do. You're taking to many jumps to conclusions and being overly defending of it when I said it in an indifferent tone. If you think I'm typing away here rubbing my hands and shaking my fist saying, "I'm going to prove you arseholes wrong!" then your sorely mistaken. If anything it's a more apathetic tone of "Eh, it's sad people won't try to enjoy something like that." Because of me being more indifferent and just voicing my opinion in such a manner, it's not bigotry, it's not taking the high ground or being an arse, it's just differing views. But in reality, who are you to question one's ability to question? You'd keep running around in circles with that kind of thought but you have that right to ask me why I can I question such things. It's fair for anyone to ask why do you enjoy something or why do you like it. It was Socrates after all and other philosophers who asked you to always ask why. No matter how trivial something is, if you want to know the reasoning behind it, then one shall ask. And if the only offensive thing you can find in my opinion is the words pathetic and sad then I must obviously be a troll here. Wasn't said in an angry tone or aggravated about it. I just said it's sad, that's all.You can make the jump and say I said it in an offensive tone but it wasn't Next time I'll be sure to say I disagree instead of sad because it won't be as misconstrued for being attacking when it wasn't And I have taken the side of other opinions to try and understand their view. For example, no matter how hard I tried to sit and enjoy K-ON for it being the just moe and quirky show that it is, I couldn't understand or grasp why so many people were going nuts over it. It didn't have anything that entertained me. I originally thought it was going to be more about music but it wasn't And then the comedy to me wasn't really funny because it just came off as we're cute so laugh. I just didn't get it. People asked me why I don't like it and they've said why they do and vise versa for me. Whether it was in a calm or heated manner, it was done. But it's not something that's going to change the world because whether it a heated argument on views or a calm one, people are always going to have differing views. But it seems we won't get anywhere. You think I'm wrong and that's fine, not angry about your view. Express it all you want. But for now I think we're kind of cluttering this thread and moved it away from it's original attention so I'll be done |
martin03345Jul 22, 2009 3:33 AM
Brian333 said: I don't find pathetic to be an offensive term, I equate it to sad. There's a reason why several words have several different definitions to differing degrees. It's not short coming of my post, it's what you took it as. Because of the fact such words have differing degrees to what they mean and not clear cut solid definition, then it's not the same as calling an atheist or believer in a god pathetic. But I guess that's just semantics Should I have used disagree? Yeah to be more clear to people who get offended by a person's opinion and post but pathetic isn't that offensive. I didn't call anyone stupid, moronic, idiotic,etc. I should've just said sad because that's what I meant. I'm sorry for you misunderstanding and I should have used different words such as should and not need and disagree or sad and not pathetic but it wasn't even done in an offensive manner to offend anyone. But you have to keep in mind not every post is going to be the most thought out response anyway. Be a waste of time to sit and articulate in the finest and most punctuational and perfect English possible. And I don't know where you think I'm trying to reform others or sway their opinion because again I simply just stated my opinion. Never said they must change. I disagreed and that was that. Again that's a jump to conclusion you made there. Well I posted again on this, guess I'm a hypocrite now hahaha. I've been actually itching to watch Legend of the Galactic Heros though to kind of see what the fuss behind it is. Sounds interesting enough and want to see why alot of people want to call it a classic |
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| For this visual vs the rest discussion, only setting value on the visuals and not wanting to see anything that doesn't look good is indeed shallow, no question about it. But it is still true that some people just happen to be less analytical and thus preferring peripheral persuasion, which may seem sad, but there's nothing one can do about it. This is also why the market has turned into a giant cash cow that produce visual or cheap emotional treats with no substance, because so many people go for just that. At any rate, for classics, there are many oldies that I haven't watched, but I would at least list Gundam, Macross and LoGH. |
| What defines a classic? I think most important is that either made a major impact on the anime culture in one way or another or are part of the very small collection of rare "gems" for their outstanding quality. Anyways this is what I came up with: Ghost in the shell Monokehime Akira Noir Last Exile Escaflowne Trigun Cowboy Bebop Furi Kuri Hellsing Serial Experiments Lain Azumanga Daioh Baccano (quite new - I know - but classic worthy imho) p.s. its all imho (in my honest opinion) these are my classics. As for the whole graphics discussion above... Nothing is more effected by time then graphics. A good story, music or characters will remain so regardless of the change of time. Though taste may eventually develop towards a different expedience over the years but not nearly as much as with graphics. I notice this myself as well for example there are TONS of old video games that make current games look like a joke when it comes to gameplay, stories or characters but even so - even knowing that - I can't get myself to stare at something where I can easily count its pixels. But - of course - this is al personal preference and has very little to do with something being a classic or not. |
SaitoJul 22, 2009 5:59 AM
| You're all forgetting Captain Tsubasa, a classic sports anime. |
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| A far from complete list, but it's all I felt like doing right now. Osamu Tezuka's works (which have already been mentioned and I don't know enough about to say much about them). Ashita no Joe - Early (and highly popular in its day) sports anime which heavily inspired Hajime no Ippo as well as others. Mazinger Z - Pretty much every other Super Robot show ever has drawn something from Mazinger, whether it be hot-blood, courage, yelling attack names, gender based robot designs, or comedic relief robots. Not to mention that if a Super Robot protagonist has done it, Kouji probably did it first. Uchuu Senkan Yamato - One of, if not the, earliest space opera anime. Mobile Suit Gundam - This shouldn't need any explanation. Rose of Versailles - Well known shoujo series which inspired shows like Revolutionary Girl Utena. Space Runaway Ideon - Another influential Tomino work. This one was partially the inspiration for Neon Genesis Evangelion. Super Dimensional Fortress Macross/Macross: Do You Remember Love? - Not as influential as Gundam, but still managed to change the face of mecha anime a lot what with its love triangle, transformable mechs (which it popularized enough for them to be used in Zeta Gundam), and pineapple salad. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind - The first Miyazaki directed piece that was truly his work as opposed to the films/series he had previously directed and one whose influence can be seen in many other works. Legend of the Galactic Heroes - The definitive space opera in terms of content and how it mixes and matches cliches and counters to them in various ways. |
| When I think of "Classic animes" I think of Sailor Moon - A classic Mahou Shoujo. Pokemon - I think that this became very popular. ._.; Cardcaptor Sakura - Another classic Mahou Shoujo. Sakura was the 2002 Saimoe champion in Japan. :DD |
Silver_ribbonsJul 22, 2009 7:37 AM
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| DBZ classic of the shounens |
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| There's a lot of really great series done by Miyazaki and Takahata in the 70's such as Future Boy Conan, Akage no Anne, Alps no Shoujo Heidi, Haha wo Tazunete Sanzenri, etc. |
| First and foremost, Osamu Tezuka stuff. Mobile Suit Gundam. The original. Dragon Ball (and) DBZ, as well as Saint Seiya. Defining shounens. And other stuff like Speed Racer, Cyborg 009, old Ghibli stuff, etc. |
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