some MAPPA staff are complaining about the production hell of Jujutsu Kaisen and that the studio made them sign an NDA to never talk about the bad working conditions

@Hitagi__Furude animators rarely start their own families though lol

funny how the anime fandom genuinelu thought ever
OH long running anime is bad
doing it seasonally will totally give better sales and working condition and other bs reasons when
now
every single fcking reasons has been proven false
sales
bnha manga sales continually kept decreasing or stagnate every season and somehow looks worse despite the longer time it takes to make them

now u have this jjk horrible working condition and again looking like crap despite the break even


meanwhile one piece
and toei pays their employee the best, has good working conditions to the point that toei is tTHE studio worshipped as the best to work at and even has an intern programm to train employees that sunrise copied




but nah
seasonal culture good
fck the animators!
@fmmatron

i literally called that thsi would happen a yr-2 ago kek

toei gang rise up

It's funny how many people are biased and forget about it. They either go with generalizing ("all studios are bad!!1") or with biased comments (i.e. "b-but muh KyoAni is ideal ;_;"), without even trying to look at the whole industry from a neutral point of view coming from someone who is just a consumer living outside of Japan. Going with the workers rights and work environment, TOEI has proven to be the best studio. They had their better and worse periods, as every huge company. But it can't be denied that they treat their animators with respect and pay them enough. Heck, they allowed rookie animators to work under aces on the first episodes of Dragon Ball Super anime. Those eps looked wacky, but hey, they got fixed in the Blu-ray release and what's more important, those rookie animators gained precious experience and skills by working under way more experienced colleagues. Not to forget a fancy entry in their CVs, helpful in finding a job be it again in TOEI or in some other studio.

TOEI ain't ideal. No studio is perfect. Same with the whole huge company behind it, making sometimes weird decissions resulting in underwhelming (to put it lightly) anime adaptations, like Saint Seiya: Saintia Sho (not animated by TOEI Animation studio, btw.). But when talking about working conditions, then TOEI is currently one of the best studios in Japan when it comes to this aspect. And still has a lot of ongoing projects presenting rather decent (though varying, but not tragic) quality.

I'm glad Sunghoo Park is gone. This guy was the one who took MAPPA into the stratosphere and no name losers disrespect him these days. There are only 2 reasons why MAPPA became so big, reason 1 - they stole the AoT franchise and the fanbase that was built by the hard work of Wit Studio and its audience. This gave them worldwide recognition. Reason 2 - During that worldwide recognition came a great animation, JJK Season 1, through the hard work of Sunghoo Park. Without Sunghoo Park, JJK is a soulless mediocre monster story and now AoT will end this year and MAPPA will have nothing. They have already ruined CSM as well. Amazing downfall. Fully deserved. Karma is real.

It's funny how many people are biased and forget about it. They either go with generalizing ("all studios are bad!!1") or with biased comments (i.e. "b-but muh KyoAni is ideal ;_;"), without even trying to look at the whole industry from a neutral point of view coming from someone who is just a consumer living outside of Japan. Going with the workers rights and work environment, TOEI has proven to be the best studio. They had their better and worse periods, as every huge company. But it can't be denied that they treat their animators with respect and pay them enough. Heck, they allowed rookie animators to work under aces on the first episodes of Dragon Ball Super anime. Those eps looked wacky, but hey, they got fixed in the Blu-ray release and what's more important, those rookie animators gained precious experience and skills by working under way more experienced colleagues. Not to forget a fancy entry in their CVs, helpful in finding a job be it again in TOEI or in some other studio.

TOEI ain't ideal. No studio is perfect. Same with the whole huge company behind it, making sometimes weird decissions resulting in underwhelming (to put it lightly) anime adaptations, like Saint Seiya: Saintia Sho (not animated by TOEI Animation studio, btw.). But when talking about working conditions, then TOEI is currently one of the best studios in Japan when it comes to this aspect. And still has a lot of ongoing projects presenting rather decent (though varying, but not tragic) quality.

###Well, praising MAPPA means praising the hardworking staff, animators, editors and the whole team who were contributing their best into the anime series###
This is what people think... but actually MAPPA is nothing but a nefarious organisation continuing to toy with their staff and pressure them to get the good stuff, it's hard for the Anime sector these days...

^^No wonder One Piece Wano Arc has better animation than all the Mappa projects, despite the long run weekly airing.

ot:I guess Mappa should spend some of the money they are earning from adapting all of the popular stuff in their management.

@S10_Hinatakun @TheMenaceOfEldia That way they also reinforcing their working culture, because at the end of the day, it means they produced something good with the way they work.

@Oongbuh Quite the opposite. CSM was especially weak and really inconsistent, while the other 2 shows are just worse than S1.
Heion Sedai no Idaten-tachi is the exception here. In the recent years that's the only show where MAPPA was really consistent and did a great job.

Ok, to be fair, I'm still waiting to JJK S2 episodes. The first 5 flashback eps were definitely weaker than S1.

@QDrstone29 In that context he definitely meant great.

@DexterDrubo Good, not very good. They make too many errors that are distracting and many cases it's easily avoidable.

They ruined these anime so much that the vast majority of people loved it yes yes we understood that you were just a MAPPA hater.
I myself hate the management of MAPPA but their anime are good, thanks to the staff, you have to know the difference kid

@ktg How do people in this thread always manage to have the dumbest opinions possible? Is it some sort of challenge the site opened that I don't know about?

This is like Zom 100 episode 1, but without a zombie apocalypse

Actually, one is part of the other. That's why you can't separate those.
If we are talking about animations, the art style is a pretty important part and has a huge impact on the final product, just as well as the coloring. That's why, for example, the impact frames are black and white only in certain shows.

@ktg Sure thing, but the problem arises when you see a bunch of people not being able to see which one is which, or how and to what degree one is tied with another. Art style, character designs, animation as general and seen through its constituent elements (key frames, impact frames, storyboarding), and some more all are a part of visual side of a product. That's why of course, it's good to be aware how two elements are tied with each other, even to the point of making it hard or impossible to analyze them separately.

The thing is, a lot of people in various threads on MAL seem to not be aware of it, yet comment as if they were strict animation scholars, lol. You can check out few threads on Kimetsu no Yaiba: Katanakaji no Sato-hen's anime subforum to see what I mean. Folks have been thrashing animation in the show, simply because they didn't like design choices or scenario (sic!). Screw that animation alone was objectively stellar, even if the show itself had some imperfections in other aspects. But to come to such conclusion one needs to either work as an animator and/or have basic knowledge about essential terms tied with the production process of an animated series. I'm not sure, prove me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember your nickname from those convos. You were jumped on by few people for simply stating that technically Swordsmith Village arc anime indeed presented higher animation quality in general.

That being said, I think the art style can be discussed without mentioning the animation, however, it can't go the other way (like you said, with animation separated from art style, shading, coloring etc.). But again, the problems appear when most of people who are discussing it at certain moment are not only unaware of subtle differences or similarities between such elements, but even can't name them properly, which leads to unnecessary conflicts and arguments. Or illogical statements like, don't know, "I didn't like the story myself, so objectively speaking animation was shit".

This is the first intelligent, correct statement that I’ve ever read on any MAL thread…ever