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| What a powerful episode. So many feelings. |
| Monster is a great anime/manga, but I still think Johan has it a bit easy when it comes to manipulating people. It´s like victims come to him and not viceversa. |
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| Johan is beyond twisted, but what a fascinating episode and the part with Grimmer at the end was really emotional. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Jan's mother probably heard the full tape, tenma should ask her what was in it. |
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| That was one dark episode, damn. Johan's wickedness is unparalleled. I liked the ending though. Grimmer is such a nice addition to the show. |
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| That kid has seen some shit. |
| Suk's mom knows what she is doing. About the boy, Jesus Johan, leave the kids alone. |
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| So Grimmer is married, didn't expect that. If Suk's mother is a detective, Johan is done for. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
| yo... when that teacher was fucking that whore in the alley and he wanted the kid to watch, that was unironically hot. |
 ☩ Discord: the.path.to.pathos ☩ RateYourMusic ☩ last.fm |
| I found this comment on another forum about that here it is "Grimmer has alexithymia which is a mental disorder characterized by the difficulty or inability to identify and describe one's own emotions. It also has to do with identifying bodily reactions, like your heart racing, and linking that to emotions as well, such as anxiety. It's not so much that Grimmer doesn't feel emotions (even though it's clear he lacks a lot of emotion) but more so that he just doesn't understand what emotions are. Whether it's playing soccer with the kids, being at his son's funeral, or enjoying a picnic, he just doesn't get it. Even when he was crying while holding Milos, he still didn't know if that's what he should be doing in the moment. Grimmer just can't grasp emotions because he simply wasn't taught how." So basically he has emotions he is unable to realize them. It's like he isn't in contact with them. |
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| This was an insanely good episode. Everything from Johan being a twisted a-hole to Grimmer being able to reach catharsis as he helped Milos. A key point made here was that even though Johan is a cruel and twisted being, the disgusting behavior that Milos witnessed wasn't curated by Johan. It was just sick people being sick people -- assaulting, stealing, manipulating. Johan forced the child into a bad situation and primed him to see disgusting behavior, which traumatized Milos into thinking he was worthless and unwanted. Ugh, I absolutely hated that scene with the teacher and the prostitute. Completely awful. I was surprised they'd show such a scene, but it definitely led to a traumatized Milos. This ordeal let Grimmer unlock a key part of his identity -- being able to cope with his own experiences, once as an unlovable and tortured orphan. Grimmer grew up not really understanding how to love or to be loved, and Johan abused Milos setting him on the path to also not feel emotion properly. So when Grimmer felt responsibility for Milos, it also let him nurture his own inner child which too deserved love, attention, and the ability to express vulnerability. By Grimmer showing Milos that he is wanted, Grimmer also realized that he, too, deserves love and empathy. Sigh. I love Grimmer and want to give him a big ol' hug. I think it would be great, since he has such rapport with the orphans, if he eventually helped run their orphanage. It would be a great way to him to find purpose and cope with his own trauma in 511 Kinderheim as well as losing his son. |
ExtraFirmSep 27, 2020 10:54 PM
| poo kid and all, but he wasn't that interesting, though he provided us good story and all. and now lung going to hunt down tenma in prague, didn't excepted less. suk's mom recognised that it was male, i kinda excepted that as well. |
| Goddamn this was genuinely disturbing. Seeing the kid walking around, while replaying Johan's words and trying to find his mother while seeing so many traumatic things made me feel so bad for Milos. Grimmer's words in the end were really moving. Amazing episode, definitely one of the best so far imo. |
| Grimmer is an interesting fellow overall, he has a wife and a normal life despite what has been happening around him and what happened during his childhood years, The kid who was about to jump down the bridge and repeatedly got psychologically tortured by Johan was just disturbing to see. |
| This was disturbing. All the way from the search for his mother to the bridge. Grimmer back at it again making me like him. |
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| Ugh seeing Milos broken like that was rough :( Also what is up with Mrs Suk lol. Was she always putting on an act or did she just have a moment of clarity? My grandma had dementia and conversations with her were exactly like what we saw in previous episodes. Some days were worse than others - not knowing who the people around her were, or where she was. Then other days she seemed to gain her old self back. So I’m interested in seeing what the case here is. |
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| I have a soft spot for kids... I'd have been a sad dude if the boy had jumped |
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| Dang. Milos is truly unlucky for having to go through all that :( I'm glad he didn't jump |
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| damn Johan is really fucking good at manipulating ppl especially brats. Grimmer and Tenma save Milos ofc. and he didn't resist Glad Grimmer can feel things little by little now |
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| Johan truly is twisted and a monster. |
| Man, I found that up till now, I was always trying to find a way to empathise with Johan, I thought maybe just maybe there is something redeeming.... But what he did to that kid....that is sooo fucked up. Even if he went through the most horrible things, this episode made me lose any sense of compassion towards this character.... But man, he is the most amazing antagonist I've ever seen, just when I think he couldn't possibly get more fucked up, he exceeds my expectations! |
| grimmer's lack of emotions :(( and damn poor milo, seeing through all of that at that age |
| Johan you inhumane psycho! Poor Milos searching for his mother in that pleasure district while ended up being mentally scarred especially the teacher guy wanting him to watch on while he's doing the prostitute was incredibly fucked up. |
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| So Johan has mommy issues, huh? He sure went full projection onto this Milos kid. And poor kid, btw. He learned about ugly bastards way too soon. P.S.: Suk's mother listened to the full tape, didn't she? Tenma should try and ask her about the missing part. |
| This was a strong episode glad Milo was ok and that Grimmer was able to help |
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| holy shit this episode is disturbing i have never experienced such dread watching an anime series |
❝ You were born because you were wanted by somebody! ❞ I already tear up a little bit |
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| What's the point? Why's he bullying kids? That just felt out of place and this ep felt like more slow filler. That being said I don't understand what's happening and how the plot's progressing through the mystery either |
| Really great episode but I also hated it. |
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Ollyx2OxenFree said: Shit made me cry and I don't really cry that much. How optimistic that kid was about seeing his mother and what Johan put into his head. :'( He truly is a monster. It's called "gaslighting", isn't it? |
𝒲𝓮 𝓪𝓇𝓮 𝓪𝓁𝓵 𝓜𝓐𝓓 𝓱ℯ𝓻ℯ ᴬₗᶦcᵉ ᶦₙ Wᵒₙᵈₑʳₗᵃₙᵈ |
| Well done Grimmer. You didn't only save Milos, you saved his future too. Though it did get kinda annoying how often he asked Tenma "what am I feeling rn" . But I'm glad he managed to cry Let it sink in that Johan almost made a CHILD commit suicide. |
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