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Dreams_of_Neko said: @Manecleis , sorry for the delay, photobucket is despairing. While I was rewatching the episodes, I noticed that a couple of things have changed. The conference room being one of them. That is probaly why Kizakura was there. When he previously said about seeing that girl, he maybe wasn't talking about Kyoko, but Chisa. Her corpse most likely. Notice that in Episode 2 the chairs have no arm rests, however, in episode 4, some have them.  Thought that it might be an error on the designing part, but then... So....where are they really? Or is it the same place but different gamemasters? Hm? I didn't understand the two last pics...What are you trying to tell with that? |
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| @Dreams_of_Neko Interesting, though I believe those are design errors. That's the main reason why I don't really believe in the Chisahina theory that is going viral in the fandom. |
AzureAceYT said: DarkHayate said: Okay, how exactly do we define the term 'attacker' anyway? Is the attacker the same person as the mastermind? The person controlling Monokuma? Is the attacker the person who wakes up during the sleep period and murders someone? Is the attacker just someone who kills someone else for whatever reason? Even if there are alternating 'attackers' during the sleep period, solving this mystery will not reveal the identity of the mastermind. And for the mastermind, I think we can rule Munakata out at this point. I think we can personally rule out Munakata, Naegi and Asahina. Naegi is an obvious bet for not being the mastermind. If Asahina was the mastermind, she would not have told them she knows the traitor's identity. I think it's time for Munakata's redemption arc, so I believe he isn't the traitor. But Ryota... He's been shady for a long time coming. Ryota hasn't even revealed his forbidden action. Why hide it for so long? If his action wasn't relevant, he would have already revealed it. Definitely suspicious. However, he didn't say anything about Asahina discovering the attacker, he didn't even try to stop her, and Asahina sure as hell didn't seem scared of him. And he wasn't brainwashed by Junko in Despair Side (yet), so even though he is very suspicious, there are many reasons to believe he is not a traitor. |
| Hmm ... the bad 'guy' could be Nanami, with Hinata now comming to stop her ... how about that xD? I'm pretty sure the attacker kills with the monitors. They can probably extend some mechanical arms/tentacles. Every time before and/or after the sleep breaks, we could see atleast one of the monitors glowing stronger around the selected target. Ofcourse, it could be just some Mitarai level anime tactics to boost the atmosphere... |
| So, right now we have three terms: ATTACKER: The one killing people around. TRAITOR: The one who betrayed FF and is helping the MASTERMIND: The one who planned all of it It doesn't mean one person can't be both or all of it, tho. About Hagakure: Yeaaah, I know he is not using the bracelet, but he is still there and he appears in the opening. It could be just one big troll from Kodaka tho, buuut, I was just...trying to not forget about him XD Perfect placed photos hah. Kirigiri checked Chisa's body before Munakata, so the photos were not on her body at that point (big assumption here). If that was the case, it was placed after Kirigiri checked her (It would make a lot of sense if it was on Chisa's body tho, Tengan talks to Munakata and then he goes to stab her). And, that would mean someone is walking around the building doing mischief...or I'm just overthinking again (it is the hype) o-o |
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About the eyes? The first one (episode 2) has the left "leg" elongated, while in the episode 3 one, it's the upper right side that is elongated instead. @Manecleis I have rechecked the episodes, and until episode 2 the chairs are armless, after that, they have the arm rests. And i'm pretty sure because of the change in the Monokuma Eye design is what made Kirigiri stare at the monitor in episode 3. There is also the fact that at certain times in episode 2 and 3 that there was a close up of the monitors, like forcing us to pay attention to them. |
Manecleis said: As for the survivor count mystery, last episode featured four deaths: - Mechagahara destroyed by Munakata ; - Sakakura stabbed by Munakata ; - Ruruka stabbed by the attacker ; - Kirigiri poisoned due to NG code violation. Last week, the count was 9 people. This episode, it was 6. Which means one of the four above didn't count as a death. For what it's worth, we "know" Sakakura's NG code but it has actually never been officially confirmed, and it's pretty much the only one in this case. Well, Munakata has the list of all the codes. If Sakakura's code was something that would impact the plot, then Munakata might have noticed that. But I think he didn't, since he killed Juzo as a 'despair'. Given that the count was always 1 off, even after Miaya turned out to be a robot and the real one dead. Only now it's two off, so I think that the mech did count. Ruruka is pretty clearly dead, and from a meta standpoint it doesn't make sense if she was the survivor. Meaning it's very likely either Juzo or Kirigiri. In a way, Kodaka is holding out hope for us. Giving us a reason to believe Kirigiri is alive, but he also gives a good chuck of despair at the fact that it could be Juzo who's alive. Not that I dislike Juzo, but come on who likes him over Kirigiri (besides MakotoXanyone else shippers) |
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KamuiGavin said: AzureAceYT said: I think we can personally rule out Munakata, Naegi and Asahina. Naegi is an obvious bet for not being the mastermind. If Asahina was the mastermind, she would not have told them she knows the traitor's identity. I think it's time for Munakata's redemption arc, so I believe he isn't the traitor. But Ryota... He's been shady for a long time coming. Ryota hasn't even revealed his forbidden action. Why hide it for so long? If his action wasn't relevant, he would have already revealed it. Definitely suspicious. However, he didn't say anything about Asahina discovering the attacker, he didn't even try to stop her, and Asahina sure as hell didn't seem scared of him. And he wasn't brainwashed by Junko in Despair Side (yet), so even though he is very suspicious, there are many reasons to believe he is not a traitor. Well think about it. WHY is he so attached to that damn phone? It must be a part of his NG Code. |
taynis said: So, right now we have three terms: ATTACKER: The one killing people around. TRAITOR: The one who betrayed FF and is helping the MASTERMIND: The one who planned all of it If this is the case, wouldn't Yukizome be the obvious choice for the traitor? She was aligned with Despair all along. I suppose she could have gotten a huge amount of information out of Munakata. The attacker would be alternating everytime, if we interpret Tengan's words correctly. Perhaps Asahina will confirm this and give further explanation using Kirigiri's notebook. The mastermind, well... I don't think it's Ryota. It would be too obvious, wouldn't it? That guy is a red herring for sure. The mastermind is most likely one of the 'hidden participants', indicated by the survivor counter. |
Jeppe950 said: Damn Chisa is a really cruel despair. Playing with the kids just to butcher them and smile about it. S A V A G E Amazing episode, I'm really hyped for the next one. 5/5. |
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| I really enjoyed the final confrontation between Munakata and Naegi. Now they can work together to save everyone! I can't wait for the next episode :D |
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| @Dreams_of_Neko Hmm, I see your point, but what does it mean? Moving the players twice doesn't seem right at all; they probably don't have the means to do that anyway (one secret facility under the ocean is huge in itself, let alone two). @Sirofcoffe It's also possible that the mech never counted, but it would be weird since it would require Hagakure to actually count. |
 Heeee, 6 ?! Ryota, Naegi, Asahina, Munakata, Hakagure ?, ??? |
kacaj said: Robots aren´t people. Thats my point. ( and the core of that robot didn´t get destroyed either ) Human or not, I'm pretty sure she still counts as a participant though. Remember Nidai? Although he was a robot, he was still a participant in the Mutual Killing Game in SDR2. Killing him still counted as murder. And in Danganronpa 1, Alter Ego even got an execution despite being computer software! Considering this, I'm pretty sure Mecha-Gekkogahara is legitimately included in the survivor counter. |
| I think the boat was leaving the island. Chisa's death could be a suicide tho. She died before Monokuma talked about the rules, afterall. What is really weird too. |
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DarkHayate said: And in Danganronpa 1, Alter Ego even got an execution despite being computer software! Considering this, I'm pretty sure Mecha-Gekkogahara is legitimately included in the survivor counter. Okay, but she died in the last episode, so the DeathCount should indicate ''5 Survivors'' |
kacaj said: Chisa and Ruruka´s death, I can´t imagine them being suicides. Tengen said that anybody could be the killer, if the killings were suicides then it´s a contradiction. How so? I don't see a contradiction here. |
HappyMN said: Okay, but she died in the last episode, so the DeathCount should indicate ''5 Survivors'' Well, not necessarily. I'm still not convinced about neither Kirigiri's nor Sakakura's demise. A secret survivor would straighten the number on the counter. |
| I thought the conflict between Munakata and Naegi in this episode was well done, and it was nice to see Munakata finally come to his senses (His eye returned to normal too!). With Tengan's words, I feel pretty confident in the theory that the Monokuma monitors induce some kind of hypnosis or despair state that lead to the participants in the game to kill themselves. The monitors are displayed pretty prominently throughout the anime, so it would be a fitting reveal to have something that went mostly unnoticed by the characters be the cause of the killings. |
kacaj said: Thanks to Neo World program Nidai had a human personality even as a robot, and when Alter Ego died the alive count stayed intact in DR1 too. But even with that her core was intact at the end of 9th episode and even at the beginning of 10th episode. If she is still counted as a robot, her "soul" are her data, her memories. As a robot she is still alive,and as a human, she was never a human to begin with. I see your point, however, this is mostly speculating. We don't have confirmation about that device being her 'core', it could very well simply be a tablet containing information about the participants. Even if it was her core though, I think the survivor counter would rather judge the state of her physical body since she couldn't really contribute to the game being a tablet. |
| Okay firstly a great slow paced episode. 5/5 Chisa confirmed ultimate despair. 3 people confirmed dead. Ogata didn't know why the survivor count were high and thought the survivor death count included Byakuya and Hagakure. But that is obviously not the case because for Byakuya he'd otherwise be counted in episode 9 (where there were 9 participants, it would instead be 10) Now if Byakuya isn't counted, then it's safe to say Hagakure isn't counted. Who is confirmed dead? - Mecha-Miaya is definitely dead - cut in half - Ruruka Ando is definitely dead - brutally tortured and killed (Time Limit) - Juzo Sakakura - Ogata stated that Juzo died. "Sakakura really did die. She told everyone to watch Despair episode to find out why he died." Not to mention that blade he got stabbed with can burn out water, yeah I don't see him surviving a stab like that through vital organs. (He bled out) - Kyoko Kirigiri - Poisoned by NG code. Now something is obviously off by the fact that only 3 were removed from the death counter. But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. So why is the survivor count still at 6? - Miaya was never a participant is the most likely conclusion that I gathered here. She's a robot and the Mastermind knew this. The NG code would never have worked on her, we don't even see any sort of NG code related things about her except the lie that Satan told Makoto and Hina. (Do note: She WAS a robot the ENTIRE time, she wasn't firstly a human in the killing game then a robot. She was flat out ROBOT) That leaves us with 2 mystery people. Who are they? No clue, I can speculate, but it's just out there. The most likely person to do this is Chiaki if she were to be brainwashed in Despair Side. If she isn't brainwashed, fuck knows. Which could mean Izuru/Hajime might try and save Chiaki at the final episode etc. (or kill her for maximum despair to the fans considering she was a despair all along and she gets killed) PS. I really love Munakatana's character even more now |
RukoudioraSep 12, 2016 12:40 PM
| Kirigiri looks fab even with trash on her head. Mitarai pls. Naegi (and Asahina) spent more time with Kyouka, of course they are much more sadder than you. It's not a matter of how much you cry to begin with. You can still be hell a lot of sad and not be crying at all over someone's death. Not everyone is the same. How the hell can you remove despair if you are the last person standing? That's ridiculous. All Munakata has is excessive pride, he's blinded by his own views. I don't even care if he dies or lives at this stage, just get him out of my screen. Tbh Naegi is such a boring character. All he has done this series is run around and say stuff like how hope is great and blahblahblah. And how he's always positive (when he's not even that positive as everyone claims he is, but oh well. I would prefer if he at least had a sense of humor. At least would make him more worthwhile than the repititve dialogue he utters) At least he was solving mysteries in the S1, never liked him much to begin with. He's as boring as Munakata, but ye less annoying than him. Okay now it makes sense why Munakata killed Sakakura. Anyways I'm glad it resolved well. I wonder if Kyouko is dead for real... |
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| Yeah pretty dry stuff with just the two of them duking it out with some flashbacks here and there. Now looks like they found the real attacker and she said the killing is over so I guess he's dead. |
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| i swear if Kirigiri still alive, those emotional moment really go to waste already happened with asahina hope kirigiri stay dead |
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kacaj said: Rukoudiora said: Okay firstly a great slow paced episode. 5/5 Chisa confirmed ultimate despair. 3 people confirmed dead. Ogata didn't know why the survivor count were high and thought the survivor death count included Byakuya and Hagakure. But that is obviously not the case because for Byakuya he'd otherwise be counted in episode 9 (where there were 9 participants, it would instead be 10) Now if Byakuya isn't counted, then it's safe to say Hagakure isn't counted. Who is confirmed dead? - Mecha-Miaya is definitely dead - cut in half - Ruruka Ando is definitely dead - brutally tortured and killed (Time Limit) - Juzo Sakakura - Ogata stated that Juzo died. "Sakakura really did die. She told everyone to watch Despair episode to find out why he died." Not to mention that blade he got stabbed with can burn out water, yeah I don't see him surviving a stab like that through vital organs. (He bled out) - Kyoko Kirigiri - Poisoned by NG code. Now something is obviously off by the fact that only 3 were removed from the death counter. But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. So why is the survivor count still at 6? - Miaya was never a participant is the most likely conclusion that I gathered here. She's a robot and the Mastermind knew this. The NG code would never have worked on her, we don't even see any sort of NG code related things about her except the lie that Satan told Makoto and Hina. (Do note: She WAS a robot the ENTIRE time, she wasn't firstly a human in the killing game then a robot. She was flat out ROBOT) That leaves us with 2 mystery people. Who are they? No clue, I can speculate, but it's just out there. The most likely person to do this is Chiaki if she were to be brainwashed in Despair Side. If she isn't brainwashed, fuck knows. Which could mean Izuru/Hajime might try and save Chiaki at the final episode etc. (or kill her for maximum despair to the fans considering she was a despair all along and she gets killed) PS. I really love Munakatana's character even more now Finally someone except me thinks that Robot Gekkogahara wasn´t counted. But I can´t believe that Byakuya and Hagakure aren´t counted. I think that at least one of them should be, if not both of them. What if Byakuya even if he wasn´t there was being counted as a participant from the beginning, because the mastermind knew that at some point he will get to enter the game? Yeah, that sounds plausible actually, if Byakuya and Hagakure were being counted since the begin it would make sense that the counter is at 6. It's either this or two new characters. |
| The head count says 6 so I'm sure Kyoko is still alive (THANK YOU GOD). I'm only gonna assume that with the combination of the Cure-W and the poison has rendered her body into a coma or at least barely functioning. They didn't check her pulse or if she was breathing or not. Looks like the Despair Arc from last week confirms that Yukizome is indeed a despair all along with the massacre of the pre-school kids. That means Chiaki is in deep trouble in the other series. Well, we finally get to see what is going on with Jabberwock Island...which we really didn't see anything. The ships are leaving now and possibly headed to the Future Foundation. Asahina also found Kyoko's notebook on who she believes is the killer. Next week should be packed with revelations now that the Makoto/Munakata fight has been settled (for now) with the reveal on who the attacker is and who is coming back from Jabberwock Island. Will it be Izuru or Hinata!?!? I'm really excited! |
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Rukoudiora said: But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. I think she didn't tell anyone because she wasn't sure if the Cure-W would work on her or not. If she told anyone that she's sure that she's gonna be poisoned by the code next because Makoto needs to die, Makoto would likely sacrifice himself rather take the gamble on Kyoko surviving or not. It was proven earlier that Bandai couldn't be cured after being poisoned so she probably took the Cure-W before she got poisoned to see if she can live or not. Also with the notebook that Asahina found, I'm sure she figured out who the attacker is and hopes that the others can end this, thus believing that the others will survive after she is dead. So she is taking a huge gamble on it working or not. That's pretty much why she said she believes in Makoto and to move forward if the cure didn't work and she dies. Also, I'm pretty sure the Cure-W she found is the only one left or at least the only one in her possession. I don't think its because she's selfish and only had to make a choice now because she was sure she's going to fail her NG code next rather than Makoto and Aoi. |
TehSnawnSep 12, 2016 1:18 PM
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TehSnawn said: Rukoudiora said: But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. I think she didn't tell anyone because she wasn't sure if the Cure-W would work on her or not. So she is taking a huge gamble on it working. That's pretty much why she said she believes in Makoto and to move forward if the cure didn't work. Also, I'm pretty sure the Cure-W she found is the only one left or at least the only one in her possession. I think she is just relying on luck with the Cure-W than logic. We shall see though. Yeah, I guess there's that too, trying for the sake of trying. It would also be awfully convenient for her to wake up way later than others in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I love Kyoko and I'd be very happy for her to come back, but I also don't want it to be some sort of bullshit way or lazy writing, if you understand. but yeah, we'll see, a lot of things are going to go down in the next episode. |
Asahina's eyes became green..? was it an error? or is the chisa=aoi theory still around? |
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| So roughly speaking, the overall "plot" has to be as follows: the remnants of Despair and Yukizome had to be accomplices all along. Her students triggered the terrorist assaults as Yukizome manipulated Munakata since the beginning of the Future Foundation to make him resort to ruthless and despair-ish methods to seize power and get rid of despair. Tengan probably realized this long ago, and that's why he lost his flame and was deemed weak by Munakata who believed in agressive methods. Eventually, we can say that the biggest, most awful, most tragic event of mankind was a two-sided tragedy, and although Ultimate Despair was an insane and twisted group, the Future Foundation was really rotten at its core since their most powerful leader was manipulated by despair from the outset. |
| @Anoza The theory still around but that happens with everyone in this anime. I don't know why tho. It happened with Chiaki, Mitarai, Kirigiri, etc too o-o I can totally see it being planned by Chisa, Junko and the rest of the students in advance. But, I don't think the SDR2 cast is involved now, I do truly believe they were cured (it is wishful thinking tho just because I spent so much time and tears on that game, I don't want the ending to be meaningless). Maybe they planned how to take down the FF (this game) and the Junko AI thing at the same time. or not |
taynisSep 12, 2016 2:10 PM
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| Okay, Naegi, Munakata, and Asahina are crossed off from my list of being attackers/masterminds imo...with Mitarai still being a little suspicious but also too obvious. Back when Togami said this game must have been connected with Jabberwock Island I believed him so. I'm okay with these four surviving, but mostly Naegi and Asahina because they're my babies. sarroush said: Holy fucking shit though. Chisa killed a bunch of preschoolers? That's savage af. I wonder if Koizumi took the pictures... ;_; |
| What a forced cliffhanger. 1/5. 2/5 the whole series. This studio isn't decent at all. |
| Finally liking Munakata again! Also Naegi really IS good with words, I can imagine him getting Hitler in a room and leaving with Hitler crying into his shoulder as Naegi soothingly shushes him. Though... who could be attacker? It could be Mitarai but he came WITH Asahina and she knows who it is... Also did we ever find out who was in the helicopter that shot at Hakagure? Probably just a despair soldier though... It's also weird they cut out some of the Naegi Kirigiri flashback. Essentially the point saying that Kirigiri betrayed Naegi to save herself. I thought they were gonna go for a "She betrayed him for herself in the past, now she's making up for it and sacrificing herself to save Naegi" kind of thing. |
| Yukizome killing little kids in the past. Wow... I hope to see Jabberwock Island next episode after that ending. It's about damn time. AND hoping Kirigiri isn't actually dead.... |
ReverberateSep 12, 2016 3:05 PM
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| NO DANGANRONPA, NOT LIKE THIS! WHY WOULD YOU END JUST WHEN ASAHINA SAID SHE KNOWS WHO THE ATTACKER IS?! AAAAAAAAAAH Screams full of despair aside, pretty decent episode. Munakata vs Makoto was indeed a tough fight and what happened confirmed everything about Chisa being a Despair. We got it right, boys! Chisa become a Despair thanks to Junko and her sister and most likely she's one of the main reasons this whole game happened. I admire Makoto, I don't know if in that situation I would have thought the same things as him... I mean, if I found out the one I loved and trusted the most made such terrible things and hid all from me, maybe I would have ended up like Munakata. Now I feel I understand him a bit more. I must congratulate with the authors for the brave decision of letting a so important character like Kirigiri die for real. Even if her death in the last episode disappointed me in the way it was presented, in this one I felt real pain and sadness, good job. Now we have to wait another week to discover the true identity of our attacker and, I hope, the one and only mastermind behind this. I also want to see something about Jabberwock Island, it MUST have some relevance. EDIT: Just one thing that's not clear to me. During the opening, the counter of remaining survivors shows number 6, but aren't there only 5 survivors? 1) Makoto; 2) Asahina; 3) Mitarai; 4) Munakata; 5) Yasuhiro (does he really counts anything at this point?) So... who is this sixth survivor? Who do you think he is? I agree that he/she is our true attacker and mastermind, but just who is this person? |
TanoX_93Sep 12, 2016 3:26 PM
| Hah. Thanks to the despair Arc, we know that Yukizome was corrupted by despair, and this episode proves it even more. |
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