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Sep 23, 2013 1:05 PM
#651
Diranko said: Also, with that speed and adrenaline, she couldn't do much to protect against it. Can't read your Manga spoilers I'm afraid, but this here. Recall the first fight between the two. How did that fight open? Eren charging and swinging a punch, she dodges and counters easily, and at that point her arms were damaged and she had one eye. Had she not already proven to be insanely agile and have god levels of awareness, I would've let that slide here My only problem with this moment is with how it contradicts the feats already shown by Annie. It's minor but there's no explanation for it unless you throw logic out of the window |
Sep 23, 2013 1:07 PM
#652
Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: I also said before that she might have been (Manga Spoilers) Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever expecting Reiner to come and do something, seeing as he runs fast. Also, with that speed and adrenaline, she couldn't do much to protect against it. Good thinking about the spoiler. Those who read the manga would probably figure out why. I still think it was the hectic chase and, literally, the SL was on her back. Eren could have come from anywhere, when she changed locations, I don't think it's that surprising to take a hit. She already did, several times during the episode. |
Sep 23, 2013 1:18 PM
#653
zellami said: Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: I also said before that she might have been (Manga Spoilers) Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever expecting Reiner to come and do something, seeing as he runs fast. Also, with that speed and adrenaline, she couldn't do much to protect against it. Good thinking about the spoiler. Those who read the manga would probably figure out why. I still think it was the hectic chase and, literally, the SL was on her back. Eren could have come from anywhere, when she changed locations, I don't think it's that surprising to take a hit. She already did, several times during the episode. Besides even when Annie evaded in their last fight she was BARELY able to and had to throw herself out of the way just to avoid getting hit a few times. She was on the defensive the whole way and still got a beat down, with of course her throwing a punch or two here and there. The only reason why Eren got dominated at the end was because he was shocked when he realized the titan was Annie. A big difference now too is he was willing to set aside his 'humanity', to fight. He's willing to make sacrifices and kill Annie versus before where it was a mission to just capture her. |
Touch me, you filthy casual~ |
Sep 23, 2013 1:23 PM
#654
| I cant wait for the ep 25. Shit just got real. |
Sep 23, 2013 1:38 PM
#655
SarahIlayda said: I cant wait for the ep 25. Shit just got real. Shit has been real since the first episode, mate. |
Sep 23, 2013 1:46 PM
#656
Ragix said: Besides even when Annie evaded in their last fight she was BARELY able to and had to throw herself out of the way just to avoid getting hit a few times. She was on the defensive the whole way and still got a beat down, with of course her throwing a punch or two here and there. The only reason why Eren got dominated at the end was because he was shocked when he realized the titan was Annie. In their first fight, she still avoided the majority of his hits whilst being both tired from it being her second transformation of the day, and taking a beating from Levi's squad before she killed them She was on the defensive because she wasn't trying to fight him directly, she needed to capture him. Alive. She barely avoided his hits but she still did. Have you ever heard of the Rope-a-Dope? That's pretty much what Annie was doing here. She didn't dominate at the end, she dominated throughout. If Eren didn't freeze up he may have lasted a little longer but he still would've tired himself out before landing any significant hits. A big difference now too is he was willing to set aside his 'humanity', to fight. He's willing to make sacrifices and kill Annie versus before where it was a mission to just capture her. He was willing to kill the FT before he knew it was Annie. His exact words "I'll kill it", he went into that fight trying to kill her. There's almost no difference in this situation |
Sep 23, 2013 1:48 PM
#657
DarkCyclone said: Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever Yeah, read that one before. But I didn't understand what was meant. Do you? Could you explain the relevance of it? I mean, when I read that, I thought: what does he mean? That Annie thought that Eren, after transforming, would sit down with the rest of his friends and have a cup of tea and a biscuit? I just am not able to understand this particular(ly strange) thoughtpattern. What is one presuming Annie would think, AFTER Eren transformed? Is one seriously suggesting the thought wouldn't occur to her that he might go after her? It's claimed she would underestimate...- what?... exactly? I first thought it meant she didn't expect him to transform, to aid his friends in battle...but what relevance does that have AFTER he has transformed? Unless one claims she totally missed the lightning AND the thunder and was oblivious to it all, it wouldn't explain why she was turning her back to the wrong side AT ALL. |
Sep 23, 2013 2:02 PM
#658
ronri said: Or we could just say that the anime team really just goofed on that one. It doesn't ruin the episode, it just makes for a jarring situation that could've easily been fixed had they properly thought out their story-boarding/scene-planning and sequenced the whole thing more carefully. I'm not hating or nitpicking. I'm just saying it was sloppily done and that's that. I offered a possible scenario that they could've easily come up with to avoid that oversight (Annie comes back to fetch Eren by searching through the tunnel debris until Eren suddenly transforms underneath and lands the uppercut, much to Annie's surprise) all while preserving all the anime-original content. No more, no less. Well, almost all of us, albeit with some rather navel-staring exceptions, agree in one way or another that it's most likely an error/inconsistency, but it's not a big issue, and it certainly isn't detrimental and doesn't break either story, characterisation, or plot, nor makes the series unpalatable. While your alternative would work, it would also involve some additional work, and new 'viewpoints'. Even more easily rectified, would be if they just show his running towards Annie FIRST (could use the same sequence as was shown now), and Annie being distracted by (an attack of) an air-gear-user(s) - and possible killing them off - at the moment he strikes her (giving plausible cause for not reacting adequately to his attack, and still being surprised by it), and she falling in the building. And then, closure: raw shout of wild Eren-titan. End. And cliffhanger for the next epsiode with the promise of a new titan--fight. Has it all, needs very little rework, and offers a reasonable explanation, without the inconsistencies one can see now. What do you think? In a "Directors' cut" redux, this might actually be plausible to implement. Everything that needs a lot of reworking, becomes less likely, imho. |
Sep 23, 2013 2:04 PM
#659
DarkCyclone said: In their first fight, she still avoided the majority of his hits whilst being both tired from it being her second transformation of the day, and taking a beating from Levi's squad before she killed them She was on the defensive because she wasn't trying to fight him directly, she needed to capture him. Alive. She barely avoided his hits but she still did. Have you ever heard of the Rope-a-Dope? That's pretty much what Annie was doing here. She didn't dominate at the end, she dominated throughout. If Eren didn't freeze up he may have lasted a little longer but he still would've tired himself out before landing any significant hits. She CAN and DID fight him directly after. He's a titan, she doesn't need to run around and avoid him, she cleaned his head right off his shoulders. The Titan is like a second body to them, you can fuck it up as much as you want, so long as you don't dig right into their nape where they're at he wouldn't die. He wasn't tired at all at that point either and Annie has clear control over her powers, who's to say a second transformation isn't easy for her? Who's to say that she would've been tired first, since Eren was fresh and ready to fight. DarkCyclone said: He was willing to kill the FT before he knew it was Annie. His exact words "I'll kill it", he went into that fight trying to kill her. There's almost no difference in this situation He was willing to until he found out it was Annie, which lost him that fight. How would you know if he would've lost or won if he had kept that determination to kill her even after finding out it was Annie? The difference is the resolve, he fought to kill the 'unknown FT' in his first fight, but lost because he was doubting himself after realizing it was Annie. Eren is just as strong right now though as he was when he wanted to kill her before he knew her identity. |
Touch me, you filthy casual~ |
Sep 23, 2013 2:06 PM
#660
Ragix said: zellami said: Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: I also said before that she might have been (Manga Spoilers) Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever expecting Reiner to come and do something, seeing as he runs fast. Also, with that speed and adrenaline, she couldn't do much to protect against it. Good thinking about the spoiler. Those who read the manga would probably figure out why. I still think it was the hectic chase and, literally, the SL was on her back. Eren could have come from anywhere, when she changed locations, I don't think it's that surprising to take a hit. She already did, several times during the episode. Besides even when Annie evaded in their last fight she was BARELY able to and had to throw herself out of the way just to avoid getting hit a few times. She was on the defensive the whole way and still got a beat down, with of course her throwing a punch or two here and there. The only reason why Eren got dominated at the end was because he was shocked when he realized the titan was Annie. A big difference now too is he was willing to set aside his 'humanity', to fight. He's willing to make sacrifices and kill Annie versus before where it was a mission to just capture her. You know, ..., in my personal opinion, Eren didn't set his humanity aside - he accumulated it. Mikasa and Armin are blessed with a friend they could this without second guessing, but Eren did respect (if not liked) Annie. She is a mirror image of him, yet chose the other side - the side against humanity. I can see it more like a continuation of the utter despair he fell into when she was murdering the Special Ops Squad and the blame he has been living ever since. If he didn't hesitate in the first place to transform knowing it was Annie, I would actually embrace the theory of his socio-potatoe-ing occasionally popular here. Makes him more human, ... and who said humans are to take the titan shit for ever. That's him alright, from the very beginning till his transformation in this episode. You know that he will actually capture her, will not ... merely kill her ;) |
zellamiSep 23, 2013 2:09 PM
Sep 23, 2013 2:16 PM
#661
zellami said: Ragix said: zellami said: Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: I also said before that she might have been (Manga Spoilers) Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever expecting Reiner to come and do something, seeing as he runs fast. Also, with that speed and adrenaline, she couldn't do much to protect against it. Good thinking about the spoiler. Those who read the manga would probably figure out why. I still think it was the hectic chase and, literally, the SL was on her back. Eren could have come from anywhere, when she changed locations, I don't think it's that surprising to take a hit. She already did, several times during the episode. Besides even when Annie evaded in their last fight she was BARELY able to and had to throw herself out of the way just to avoid getting hit a few times. She was on the defensive the whole way and still got a beat down, with of course her throwing a punch or two here and there. The only reason why Eren got dominated at the end was because he was shocked when he realized the titan was Annie. A big difference now too is he was willing to set aside his 'humanity', to fight. He's willing to make sacrifices and kill Annie versus before where it was a mission to just capture her. You know, ..., in my personal opinion, Eren didn't set his humanity aside - he accumulated it. Mikasa and Armin are blessed with a friend they could this without second guessing, but Eren did respect (if not liked) Annie. She is a mirror image of him, yet chose the other side - the side against humanity. I can see it more like a continuation of the utter despair he fell into when she was murdering the Special Ops Squad and the blame he has been living ever since. If he didn't hesitate in the first place to transform knowing it was Annie, I would actually embrace the theory of his socio-potatoe-ing occasionally popular here. Makes him more human, ... and who said humans are to take the titan shit for ever. That's him alright, from the very beginning till his transformation in this episode. You know that he will actually capture her, will not ... merely kill her ;) Hmmm.... I remember that panel from the manga.... dayum. c; Too bad she went all sleeping beauty though :P. We could have seen a threesome :P |
Sep 23, 2013 2:28 PM
#662
zellami said: Ragix said: zellami said: Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: I also said before that she might have been (Manga Spoilers) Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever expecting Reiner to come and do something, seeing as he runs fast. Also, with that speed and adrenaline, she couldn't do much to protect against it. Good thinking about the spoiler. Those who read the manga would probably figure out why. I still think it was the hectic chase and, literally, the SL was on her back. Eren could have come from anywhere, when she changed locations, I don't think it's that surprising to take a hit. She already did, several times during the episode. Besides even when Annie evaded in their last fight she was BARELY able to and had to throw herself out of the way just to avoid getting hit a few times. She was on the defensive the whole way and still got a beat down, with of course her throwing a punch or two here and there. The only reason why Eren got dominated at the end was because he was shocked when he realized the titan was Annie. A big difference now too is he was willing to set aside his 'humanity', to fight. He's willing to make sacrifices and kill Annie versus before where it was a mission to just capture her. You know, ..., in my personal opinion, Eren didn't set his humanity aside - he accumulated it. Mikasa and Armin are blessed with a friend they could this without second guessing, but Eren did respect (if not liked) Annie. She is a mirror image of him, yet chose the other side - the side against humanity. I can see it more like a continuation of the utter despair he fell into when she was murdering the Special Ops Squad and the blame he has been living ever since. If he didn't hesitate in the first place to transform knowing it was Annie, I would actually embrace the theory of his socio-potatoe-ing occasionally popular here. Makes him more human, ... and who said humans are to take the titan shit for ever. That's him alright, from the very beginning till his transformation in this episode. You know that he will actually capture her, will not ... merely kill her ;) Of course, but as of right now he's not thinking "capture her". He's got his humanity still, but he's willing to make sacrifices now where before he felt like he could save everyone if he tried. The truth is though, as Armin said, you can't change the world without sacrifice, you have to become the monster yourself in some cases.(In Eren's LITERALLY! lol) I mean, in a way it is accumulated, but the number one thing holding him back was the idea of 'friend'. Now, don't take it wrong, he still very so much treasures his friends, but the major thing is that he could never picture that a fellow human friend would be capable of such terrible things. He assumed that the human race was in this together(Especially those close like Annie), so even when he saw her transform right before his eyes he was in denial. In a way, he had to fix his ideals in his head before being able to transform. |
Touch me, you filthy casual~ |
Sep 23, 2013 2:37 PM
#663
AnimageNeby said: Well, almost all of us, albeit with some rather navel-staring exceptions, agree in one way or another that it's most likely an error/inconsistency, but it's not a big issue, and it certainly isn't detrimental and doesn't break either story, characterisation, or plot, nor makes the series unpalatable. While your alternative would work, it would also involve some additional work, and new 'viewpoints'. Even more easily rectified, would be if they just show his running towards Annie FIRST (could use the same sequence as was shown now), and Annie being distracted by (an attack of) an air-gear-user(s) - and possible killing them off - at the moment he strikes her (giving plausible cause for not reacting adequately to his attack, and still being surprised by it), and she falling in the building. And then, closure: raw shout of wild Eren-titan. End. And cliffhanger for the next epsiode with the promise of a new titan--fight. Has it all, needs very little rework, and offers a reasonable explanation, without the inconsistencies one can see now. What do you think? In a "Directors' cut" redux, this might actually be plausible to implement. Everything that needs a lot of reworking, becomes less likely, imho. Actually yeah that's a good suggestion. Heck you can easily use most of the same shots with that idea and just add a few frames depicting one of the soldiers getting killed/fighting her. |
Sep 23, 2013 2:42 PM
#664
| Y'know, the need fans feel to come up with an excuse for Annie being hit with Eren's first punch after previously dodging 50 and only being hit with 2 surprise uppercuts reminds me of the Breaking Bad fandom on IMDB. Here's the situation: one BB ep ended with a gunfight starting; the next started with the gunfight over. When people then said that it was most likely because of budget issues, fanboys decided it was artistic brilliance at work--BB obviously being better than all those other shows with needless violence for avoiding showing it... of course, in a 'making of' extra, the peeps in charge revealed they'd asked for a gunfight and not been given the budget/ok to do it. The point is, most fans will defend any flaws by creating their own explanation. Mikasa escaping from Annie's hand in a filler scene like Reiner wasn't a lazy & thoughtless (/manga spoiler) repeat: it was placing emphasis on the beauty of Mikasa's fighting skills. Thinking Annie could be caught with a far simpler version of the trap that failed before - with her legs free to destroy all the helpfully placed shootythings - also wasn't a thoughtless repeat, there only to waste time: it added to Hanji's characterisation whilst adding junk in Annie's trunk, tastefully. Btw, don't start that whole argument over Eren vs. Annie. Just don't. Annie completely outclassed Eren but was taken aback by his ferocity as he threw haymaker after haymaker with almost limitless energy. She was weakened, Eren wasn't and the moment she got serious, BYE-BYE. We've been over it in the ep21 thread to death. AnimageNeby said: EDIT: Yahallo, I'm back~! Right up until the edit, I started to like you. No, really. It was a short-lived kinda 'he's gone from calling me an egotistical child in a random rant to being diplomatic over a difference of views--BIPOLAR!'' deal but it moved me, it did. But then Mr. Ego had to poke out of your underwear. Very disappointing--gotta mark you down for that. You've gone from reading comprehension woes to being unable to add 1+1. Think about this for a sec: why would I put last-last instead of just last x1, then last-last-last after that?... Do you remember that post you plagiarized my TOTALLY ORIGINAL Eren>Annie punch stupidity argument from?... Yes. PS: Before you go, "B-BUT YOU SAID THE LAST TIME WAS YOUR LAST!", I was kinda-sorta sincere when I said probably. Less so when I kept being baited back. What can I say: I bite. PS2: Let's just leave this here. Getting silly now. We both have e-penis issues and disagree. We'll derail thread if it continues. And though conflict is the only way for relationships to grow, on the internet it inevitably ends with mutual retard. |
AironicallyHumanSep 23, 2013 2:46 PM
Sep 23, 2013 2:54 PM
#665
Ragix said: zellami said: Ragix said: zellami said: Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: I also said before that she might have been (Manga Spoilers) Diranko said: DarkCyclone said: It's been said already.Can't believe people are still trying to defend the final punch. There's nothing to defend and there's no logic to it... it was retarded This is Annie we are talking about, as a Titan she evaded over 95% of Eren's onslaught back in the forest. And that fight was all CQC. To go from that to not avoiding a run up punch that started literally a mile away where the transformation lightning blatantly gives away Eren's position doesn't make sense She underestimated Eren's ability to do something towards his friends. Signed. I really don't see this as an excuse to not defend yourself from a life threatening strike but if it's the excuse people wanna roll with then whatever expecting Reiner to come and do something, seeing as he runs fast. Also, with that speed and adrenaline, she couldn't do much to protect against it. Good thinking about the spoiler. Those who read the manga would probably figure out why. I still think it was the hectic chase and, literally, the SL was on her back. Eren could have come from anywhere, when she changed locations, I don't think it's that surprising to take a hit. She already did, several times during the episode. Besides even when Annie evaded in their last fight she was BARELY able to and had to throw herself out of the way just to avoid getting hit a few times. She was on the defensive the whole way and still got a beat down, with of course her throwing a punch or two here and there. The only reason why Eren got dominated at the end was because he was shocked when he realized the titan was Annie. A big difference now too is he was willing to set aside his 'humanity', to fight. He's willing to make sacrifices and kill Annie versus before where it was a mission to just capture her. You know, ..., in my personal opinion, Eren didn't set his humanity aside - he accumulated it. Mikasa and Armin are blessed with a friend they could this without second guessing, but Eren did respect (if not liked) Annie. She is a mirror image of him, yet chose the other side - the side against humanity. I can see it more like a continuation of the utter despair he fell into when she was murdering the Special Ops Squad and the blame he has been living ever since. If he didn't hesitate in the first place to transform knowing it was Annie, I would actually embrace the theory of his socio-potatoe-ing occasionally popular here. Makes him more human, ... and who said humans are to take the titan shit for ever. That's him alright, from the very beginning till his transformation in this episode. You know that he will actually capture her, will not ... merely kill her ;) Of course, but as of right now he's not thinking "capture her". He's got his humanity still, but he's willing to make sacrifices now where before he felt like he could save everyone if he tried. The truth is though, as Armin said, you can't change the world without sacrifice, you have to become the monster yourself in some cases.(In Eren's LITERALLY! lol) I mean, in a way it is accumulated, but the number one thing holding him back was the idea of 'friend'. Now, don't take it wrong, he still very so much treasures his friends, but the major thing is that he could never picture that a fellow human friend would be capable of such terrible things. He assumed that the human race was in this together(Especially those close like Annie), so even when he saw her transform right before his eyes he was in denial. In a way, he had to fix his ideals in his head before being able to transform. |
Sep 23, 2013 2:56 PM
#666
| ...damnit, I forgot the POSITIVE--How foolish I am! I liked how the anime highlighted the rock 'n hard place situation Eren finds himself in with those creepy/yandere Mikasa close-ups. On one side he's got the childhood friend that might very well kill any from the female gender bar his mother & Armin from getting close to him. On the other he's got feelings of some sort (..) for a titan girl/woman that wants nothing more than to put him in her mouth and run off into the sunset with. And both can kick his arse with effortless ease. I guess the housewife variety are rare in Shingeki's world, and it's little wonder he's more interested in Armin. The poor guy can't even get a break in porn: he's either raped and/or NTR'd! |
Sep 23, 2013 3:24 PM
#667
AironicallyHuman said: Y'know, the need fans feel to come up with an excuse for Annie being hit with Eren's first punch after previously dodging 50 and only being hit with 2 surprise uppercuts reminds me of the Breaking Bad fandom on IMDB. Here's the situation: one BB ep ended with a gunfight starting; the next started with the gunfight over. When people then said that it was most likely because of budget issues, fanboys decided it was artistic brilliance at work--BB obviously being better than all those other shows with needless violence for avoiding showing it... of course, in a 'making of' extra, the peeps in charge revealed they'd asked for a gunfight and not been given the budget/ok to do it. The point is, most fans will defend any flaws by creating their own explanation. Mikasa escaping from Annie's hand in a filler scene like Reiner wasn't a lazy & thoughtless (/manga spoiler) repeat: it was placing emphasis on the beauty of Mikasa's fighting skills. Thinking Annie could be caught with a far simpler version of the trap that failed before - with her legs free to destroy all the helpfully placed shootythings - also wasn't a thoughtless repeat, there only to waste time: it added to Hanji's characterisation whilst adding junk in Annie's trunk, tastefully. Btw, don't start that whole argument over Eren vs. Annie. Just don't. Annie completely outclassed Eren but was taken aback by his ferocity as he threw haymaker after haymaker with almost limitless energy. She was weakened, Eren wasn't and the moment she got serious, BYE-BYE. We've been over it in the ep21 thread to death. AnimageNeby said: EDIT: Right up until the edit, I started to like you. No, really. It was a short-lived kinda 'he's gone from calling me an egotistical child in a random rant to being diplomatic over a difference of views--BIPOLAR!'' deal but it moved me, it did. But then Mr. Ego had to poke out of your underwear. Very disappointing--gotta mark you down for that. You've gone from reading comprehension woes to being unable to add 1+1. Think about this for a sec: why would I put last-last instead of just last x1, then last-last-last after that?... Do you remember that post you plagiarized my TOTALLY ORIGINAL Eren>Annie punch stupidity argument from?... Yes. PS: Before you go, "B-BUT YOU SAID THE LAST TIME WAS YOUR LAST!", I was kinda-sorta sincere when I said probably. Less so when I kept being baited back. What can I say: I bite. PS2: Let's just leave this here. Getting silly now. We both have e-penis issues and disagree. We'll derail thread if it continues. And though conflict is the only way for relationships to grow, on the internet it inevitably ends with mutual retard. Lol, and there you post again. ;-) As said, it doesn't come as a surprise on itself, but your 'PROBABLY' turned out to be completely invalid. Period. Be it last, or last-last, point is, you don't act on what you say. Nobody can force you neither ofcourse, and you can pretty much say and act as many times as you want. It doesn't change the fact you're not being consistent, however. And don't complain about 'mr. Ego' and acting if it's unwarranted and all due to flatter my own ego (some projection you do there): you tried to trick me with a statement that was confabulated, however you turn it. That pissed me off, because I expect people to use at least honest arguments. Naturally, I won't respond as calmly. You're not the only one who can bite. :-) If you now say you were sincere, I would say it's possible. But it still has some irony that you tried to lecture about me being wrong, the hint about reading-comprehension, and the scoring of points - all while you were doing it, if not wilfully, then in practise. Try reading your own writings first, before using them as an false argument. Even in the best of cases, you were pretty sloppy, there. But, indeed, let's stop here. I don't think there is much to be said anymore. And we're pissing eachother off the more we speak to eachother. It's clear that you feel heavy about the 'egotistical child' thing, but do remember it was a conditional setting; based on the fact that you claimed and whined you didn't get any credit from no-one. If, as you now say, that was a joke and meant in an ironic way, then there is no need to feel addressed. I'm quite willing to think we might have gotten on the wrong foot here, and maybe we can discuss things more calmly next time, but for now, it seems better we both cool off a bit. I doubt however that we can come to any agreement in this particular instance, whether time passes or not: I just don't consider the errors you find so disturbing worth much attention; they're trivial, all in all. Sure, people here can discuss about it at length, and suggest alternative ways to rectify it (as I and others did), but in the end, it doesn't break the story, or significantly lessens the appreciation of the anime. For you, it seems quite different, but I just can't follow you in that regard. What is trivial, is trivial. As an analogy, it would be like someone dishing the series and finding it crappy because Misaka's lips may hint at some make-up. I would find that utterly bizarre and unwarranted (and maybe you too). For me, and I would say, for most others, your issues with these particular scenes in this episode, amount about to the same. This is something which is difficult to debate, because, as said, every person 'draws his line' somewhere else; it's pretty subjective. All I can say is, that the vast majority of people normally would not find the minor issues in this episode anything else than minor issues. IF you consistently (and I leave it to you whether you are or not, in this) would have major issues with these kind of trivial things, I doubt you can enjoy many anime: sooner or later, all make mistakes. Your fault-tolerance seems way to low - but I understand you think - nay, are convinced - otherwise; it's in the nature of humans, after all. PS. For what it's worth, I think you made some decent criticism, this time. I will think it over. The trap did seem some lightweight version, true. That said, the other one worked, and it was only by calling in other titans she got away. This time, it's clear she couldn't do that with any success, so it's reasonable to assume they thought: what worked once (and in essence it did, apart from the hordes of titans she called), can work a second time (now that she can't call the other titans anymore). As for the part of Mikasa being a rip-off of Steiner; well, to some degree I can follow that. Undoubtedly, the scene is similar. That said, it doesn't break any logical rules. If Steiner was strong enough to do it, then so would Mikasa be. Furthermore, it made sense that she wasn't immediately squashed to death and had enough leeway to cut the fingers off: Annie at that point didn't know it was Mikasa; Armin and Mikasa both had their cape on their head, for that reason. It would make sense, thus, for Annie to try to take her alive, at that point, and not immediately squeeze the person to death. Now, I know you want to express how cheap and unoriginal they performed in these scenes, but the appreciation of that is subjective: what it doesn't demonstrate (contrary to Eren's run, and Annies surprise-being-hit) is that it is rationally an logically borked. On itself, what you describe is in line with what we've seen from that world and there are no inherent logical deficiencies or inconsistencies to that situation and portrayed actions. One can find enough rationale to make it all plausible, as I've tried to demonstrate. |
AnimageNebySep 24, 2013 10:30 AM
Sep 23, 2013 3:38 PM
#668
| The episode is pretty good "action-wise" for a filler but I truly think they messed up by changing Eren's response to Mikasa's "cruel world response. I think that small conversation illustrates clearly the convergence in their worldview due to all the shit happened to them. Mikasa : The world is a cruel place. Eren : It really is <Eren transforms and sucker-punches Annie> |
Sep 23, 2013 3:49 PM
#669
| Wow at that argument about the punch. From what I've seen Annie was looking at the direction of that thunderbolt and Eren charged from behind and sucker punched her. |
Sep 23, 2013 4:11 PM
#670
| Amazing Episode. 11/10. varingian said: The episode is pretty good "action-wise" for a filler but I truly think they messed up by changing Eren's response to Mikasa's "cruel world response. I think that small conversation illustrates clearly the convergence in their worldview due to all the shit happened to them. Mikasa : The world is a cruel place. Eren : It really is <Eren transforms and sucker-punches Annie> Weird, i actually preferred how the Anime did it here to be honest. |
Sep 23, 2013 4:28 PM
#671
| favorite episode so far in series anyone here who agree's cause this sh*t is awesome and epic, gave me chills down my spine when that beam of lighting and eren transformed |
Sep 23, 2013 4:45 PM
#672
Ragix said: She CAN and DID fight him directly after. He's a titan, she doesn't need to run around and avoid him, she cleaned his head right off his shoulders. The Titan is like a second body to them, you can fuck it up as much as you want, so long as you don't dig right into their nape where they're at he wouldn't die. He wasn't tired at all at that point either and Annie has clear control over her powers, who's to say a second transformation isn't easy for her? Who's to say that she would've been tired first, since Eren was fresh and ready to fight. Each attack she threw was either a counter or an opportunity left open by Eren. What I meant by not direct is she didn't initiate offense once And how can you say he wasn't tired? First instance of Eren being a Titan, after destroying hoardes of Titans he eventually gets pinned down and can't even gather up enough energy to regenerate. He has one last attack vs a couple more Titans then can't stand anymore In the Forest fight you visually see him breathing heavily whilst leaning on a Tree. He was exhausted. There's been enough evidence to suggest Titans don't run on unlimited energy. Eren wasting all of his energy by throwing more punches seems reasonable to me. Prior to that fight Annie had slowed down because she was tired also He was willing to until he found out it was Annie, which lost him that fight. How would you know if he would've lost or won if he had kept that determination to kill her even after finding out it was Annie? The difference is the resolve, he fought to kill the 'unknown FT' in his first fight, but lost because he was doubting himself after realizing it was Annie. Eren is just as strong right now though as he was when he wanted to kill her before he knew her identity. Not buying that excuse. He didn't lose because he wasn't willing to kill Annie. He didn't even auto-confirm it was Annie at that moment. He lost because once he recognized Annie's stance, he hesitated. Just before that, he charged at her with a knee and missed, if he was able to, he would've chased her down but stopped to catch his breath, what's determination when you can't move? If the fight continues like that, Eren gets tired like he did against the Titans in Trost, and eventually leaves an opening |
Sep 23, 2013 5:17 PM
#673
Earthquake!!! Nope just Eren Titan running pass :) |
Sep 23, 2013 5:38 PM
#674
| Must we defend that punch? Can we just accept that was one of the least well executed things in the episode? That, maybe the Studio responds by altering it? It's all for the better, everyone wins! dankickyou said: I just realized that Annie didnt use any pivot in her lead leg when she kicked off Eren's head. Bad technique! Annie, I am disappointed! I still love you cuz you're mai waifu though! We didn't get a very good view of her foot, so we wouldn't actually know whether she pivoted or not. She did use the step to angle her foot out, plus when the kicked landed, her supporting legs looked pivoted. Oh and the spin follow through. |
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Sep 23, 2013 5:57 PM
#675
| Putting aside the anime's awesomeness and oversights, I rather find this episode poorly written. All the remarks and arguments were just shallow and seemed irrelevant. I'm not sure what they really want to do with Eren's character here. While he was supposed to fight in order to protect his friends, he failed. And then what, got stuck and impaled by debris? I thought this chapter should have shown us how Eren had changed, but I failed to see just that. Mikasa, Armin with their famous lines and even Jean came to lecture him? I'm surprised Levi hadn't shown up and said his 'choice with no regrets' lines. |
Sep 23, 2013 6:16 PM
#676
yuquall said: Putting aside the anime's awesomeness and oversights, I rather find this episode poorly written. All the remarks and arguments were just shallow and seemed irrelevant. I'm not sure what they really want to do with Eren's character here. While he was supposed to fight in order to protect his friends, he failed. And then what, got stuck and impaled by debris? I thought this chapter should have shown us how Eren had changed, but I failed to see just that. Mikasa, Armin with their famous lines and even Jean came to lecture him? I'm surprised Levi hadn't shown up and said his 'choice with no regrets' lines. Eh, i disagree. Get him back to remembering what he fought for the entire time of this series? I fail to see how irrelevant they were, i thought they added more layer to Eren's character imo. And was nearly unconscious on top of that. Though obviously that part as to help extend time for the supporting characters to shine. Then go stick to the Manga's version then. That's pretty nit picky of an argument to be quite honest. HalfMetalJacket said: Must we defend that punch? Can we just accept that was one of the least well executed things in the episode? That, maybe the Studio responds by altering it? It's all for the better, everyone wins! It doesn't need to be altered, it's a waste of time. And sorry, but i usually get irritated with arguments then begin with "must we defend X?". Why does it bother you that people prefer the punch in the Anime over the Manga version? This almost feels even more unnecessary than the "Annie's blush ruined her character" arguments that were abundant last week. |
Narukami07Sep 23, 2013 6:20 PM
Sep 23, 2013 6:19 PM
#677
yuquall said: Putting aside the anime's awesomeness and oversights, I rather find this episode poorly written. All the remarks and arguments were just shallow and seemed irrelevant. I'm not sure what they really want to do with Eren's character here. While he was supposed to fight in order to protect his friends, he failed. And then what, got stuck and impaled by debris? I thought this chapter should have shown us how Eren had changed, but I failed to see just that. Mikasa, Armin with their famous lines and even Jean came to lecture him? I'm surprised Levi hadn't shown up and said his 'choice with no regrets' lines. because he hasn't changed, in fact have any of the characters really grown or changed up to this point? SnK is seriously lacking in actual character development. I'd say this is one of those stories where the world is more of a developed character, and it definitely makes up for it in some degree. Even if it is poorly written at times, you should be able to appreciate the fact that it truly feels like a living breathing world. |
Sep 23, 2013 6:23 PM
#678
WyattEarp said: because he hasn't changed, in fact have any of the characters really grown or changed up to this point? SnK is seriously lacking in actual character development. I'd say this is one of those stories where the world is more of a developed character, and it definitely makes up for it in some degree. Even if it is poorly written at times, you should be able to appreciate the fact that it truly feels like a living breathing world. Armin? Jean? Annie? (to an extent), etc. |
Sep 23, 2013 6:23 PM
#679
WyattEarp said: yuquall said: Putting aside the anime's awesomeness and oversights, I rather find this episode poorly written. All the remarks and arguments were just shallow and seemed irrelevant. I'm not sure what they really want to do with Eren's character here. While he was supposed to fight in order to protect his friends, he failed. And then what, got stuck and impaled by debris? I thought this chapter should have shown us how Eren had changed, but I failed to see just that. Mikasa, Armin with their famous lines and even Jean came to lecture him? I'm surprised Levi hadn't shown up and said his 'choice with no regrets' lines. because he hasn't changed, in fact have any of the characters really grown or changed up to this point? SnK is seriously lacking in actual character development. I'd say this is one of those stories where the world is more of a developed character, and it definitely makes up for it in some degree. Even if it is poorly written at times, you should be able to appreciate the fact that it truly feels like a living breathing world. Well, if you read the manga, you'll notice that in chapter 32 (which is episode 24), Eren's grown up alot. Hell, from the start up until now, he's grown up alot. People are too blind to notice. Also, it is an on-going manga, so don't hope for a complete story, yet. |
Sep 23, 2013 6:31 PM
#680
Narukami07 said: HalfMetalJacket said: Must we defend that punch? Can we just accept that was one of the least well executed things in the episode? That, maybe the Studio responds by altering it? It's all for the better, everyone wins! It doesn't need to be altered, it's a waste of time. And sorry, but i usually get irritated with arguments then begin with "must we defend X?". Why does it bother you that people prefer the punch in the Anime over the Manga version? This almost feels even more unnecessary than the "Annie's blush ruined her character" arguments that were abundant last week. I'd like to see what Isayama has to say for this issue. The blush actually grew on me as it made more and more sense. I'm not making sense of the punch. You really feel there is no error in the scene? Suit yourself then, more to you. I just thought it wasn't one of those subjective things. Doesn't change the fact that I think the scene could have been done better. Everything else was fun to watch though, if that's any consolation. Main gripe is that punch. |
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Sep 23, 2013 6:41 PM
#681
HalfMetalJacket said: Narukami07 said: HalfMetalJacket said: Must we defend that punch? Can we just accept that was one of the least well executed things in the episode? That, maybe the Studio responds by altering it? It's all for the better, everyone wins! It doesn't need to be altered, it's a waste of time. And sorry, but i usually get irritated with arguments then begin with "must we defend X?". Why does it bother you that people prefer the punch in the Anime over the Manga version? This almost feels even more unnecessary than the "Annie's blush ruined her character" arguments that were abundant last week. I'd like to see what Isayama has to say for this issue. The blush actually grew on me as it made more and more sense. I'm not making sense of the punch. You really feel there is no error in the scene? Suit yourself then, more to you. I just thought it wasn't one of those subjective things. Doesn't change the fact that I think the scene could have been done better. Everything else was fun to watch though, if that's any consolation. Main gripe is that punch. Oh, it's cool. Sorry if i came off bash with my comment, it's just that whenever i hear similar lines towards "stop defending this" it just sets me off sometimes lol. No biggy with you though. |
Sep 23, 2013 6:45 PM
#682
Narukami07 said: HalfMetalJacket said: Narukami07 said: HalfMetalJacket said: Must we defend that punch? Can we just accept that was one of the least well executed things in the episode? That, maybe the Studio responds by altering it? It's all for the better, everyone wins! It doesn't need to be altered, it's a waste of time. And sorry, but i usually get irritated with arguments then begin with "must we defend X?". Why does it bother you that people prefer the punch in the Anime over the Manga version? This almost feels even more unnecessary than the "Annie's blush ruined her character" arguments that were abundant last week. I'd like to see what Isayama has to say for this issue. The blush actually grew on me as it made more and more sense. I'm not making sense of the punch. You really feel there is no error in the scene? Suit yourself then, more to you. I just thought it wasn't one of those subjective things. Doesn't change the fact that I think the scene could have been done better. Everything else was fun to watch though, if that's any consolation. Main gripe is that punch. Oh, it's cool. Sorry if i came off bash with my comment, it's just that whenever i hear similar lines towards "stop defending this" it just sets me off sometimes lol. No biggy with you though. Looks I had my moment of myopia just then. It's pretty cool that you apologise, people usually aren't that way online. Let's just freely express what we want. |
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Sep 23, 2013 7:00 PM
#683
| Haha! lol I never remembered this from the preview: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/mstkkt-shingeki/imgs/b/4/b49776d1.jpg |
Sep 23, 2013 7:08 PM
#684
Narukami07 said: yuquall said: Putting aside the anime's awesomeness and oversights, I rather find this episode poorly written. All the remarks and arguments were just shallow and seemed irrelevant. I'm not sure what they really want to do with Eren's character here. While he was supposed to fight in order to protect his friends, he failed. And then what, got stuck and impaled by debris? I thought this chapter should have shown us how Eren had changed, but I failed to see just that. Mikasa, Armin with their famous lines and even Jean came to lecture him? I'm surprised Levi hadn't shown up and said his 'choice with no regrets' lines. Eh, i disagree. Get him back to remembering what he fought for the entire time of this series? I fail to see how irrelevant they were, i thought they added more layer to Eren's character imo. And was nearly unconscious on top of that. Though obviously that part as to help extend time for the supporting characters to shine. Then go stick to the Manga's version then. That's pretty nit picky of an argument to be quite honest. It has nothing to do with the manga version. And that's not what I meant either. I just think their remarks to Eren are not very convincing. It's like episode 12 all over again, but at least this time they make it up with packs of actions. |
Sep 23, 2013 7:10 PM
#685
yuquall said: Narukami07 said: yuquall said: Putting aside the anime's awesomeness and oversights, I rather find this episode poorly written. All the remarks and arguments were just shallow and seemed irrelevant. I'm not sure what they really want to do with Eren's character here. While he was supposed to fight in order to protect his friends, he failed. And then what, got stuck and impaled by debris? I thought this chapter should have shown us how Eren had changed, but I failed to see just that. Mikasa, Armin with their famous lines and even Jean came to lecture him? I'm surprised Levi hadn't shown up and said his 'choice with no regrets' lines. Eh, i disagree. Get him back to remembering what he fought for the entire time of this series? I fail to see how irrelevant they were, i thought they added more layer to Eren's character imo. And was nearly unconscious on top of that. Though obviously that part as to help extend time for the supporting characters to shine. Then go stick to the Manga's version then. That's pretty nit picky of an argument to be quite honest. It has nothing to do with the manga version. And that's not what I meant either. I just think their remarks to Eren are not very convincing. It's like episode 12 all over again, but at least this time they make it up with packs of actions. Never said it did, i just gave out a suggestion since the Manga version of this chapter showed Eren in a different perspective. Since you did share a complaint on how he hasn't changed here. Alright then. Agree to disagree then, i still thought the episode was directed pretty well imo. |
Narukami07Sep 23, 2013 7:14 PM
Sep 23, 2013 7:15 PM
#686
Narukami07 said: Agree to disagree then, i still thought the episode was directed pretty well imo. Fine by me. Everyone has his own opinion. |
Sep 23, 2013 7:28 PM
#687
| I don't know how you guys do it but I choose not to read manga that is currently airing for reasons such as you guys having to dispute whether which is better and how one was well made or not. It's hard when one sets the standard while the other falters. It's hard for me when I get my expectations riled up. |
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Sep 23, 2013 8:21 PM
#688
Janethan23 said: I don't know how you guys do it but I choose not to read manga that is currently airing for reasons such as you guys having to dispute whether which is better and how one was well made or not. It's hard when one sets the standard while the other falters. It's hard for me when I get my expectations riled up. Well, the anime overall delivers heaps at many occasions. Some moments are made more powerful in the anime, so I suppose us manga readers are tuning in for those occasions. It's just here that didn't quite make it, that's all. Namely, the punch business. The moment the Colossal Titan appeared, the debut of the Armoured Titan, and so many other events that got animated did the manga justice. I could name so many occasions where the anime delivered perfectly for the majority of manga readers. It's just recently we're feeling somewhat betrayed or disappointed. But I think our disappointment is overwhelmed by all the moments where the anime got things right. |
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Sep 23, 2013 8:39 PM
#689
HalfMetalJacket said: Janethan23 said: I don't know how you guys do it but I choose not to read manga that is currently airing for reasons such as you guys having to dispute whether which is better and how one was well made or not. It's hard when one sets the standard while the other falters. It's hard for me when I get my expectations riled up. Well, the anime overall delivers heaps at many occasions. Some moments are made more powerful in the anime, so I suppose us manga readers are tuning in for those occasions. It's just here that didn't quite make it, that's all. Namely, the punch business. The moment the Colossal Titan appeared, the debut of the Armoured Titan, and so many other events that got animated did the manga justice. I could name so many occasions where the anime delivered perfectly for the majority of manga readers. It's just recently we're feeling somewhat betrayed or disappointed. But I think our disappointment is overwhelmed by all the moments where the anime got things right. I guess majority of the time you guys are not disappointed when everything comes together. Especially with SNK, it's hard to stay disappointed with something so epic. |
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Sep 23, 2013 8:52 PM
#690
Narukami07 said: Haha! lol I never remembered this from the preview: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/mstkkt-shingeki/imgs/b/4/b49776d1.jpg They've even made the halo over the head of the people who've died. R.I.P to them |
Sep 23, 2013 8:57 PM
#691
sim0n2170 said: Narukami07 said: Haha! lol I never remembered this from the preview: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/mstkkt-shingeki/imgs/b/4/b49776d1.jpg They've even made the halo over the head of the people who've died. R.I.P to them Where was that image taken from? Looks ligit. |
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Sep 23, 2013 9:31 PM
#692
Janethan23 said: HalfMetalJacket said: Janethan23 said: I don't know how you guys do it but I choose not to read manga that is currently airing for reasons such as you guys having to dispute whether which is better and how one was well made or not. It's hard when one sets the standard while the other falters. It's hard for me when I get my expectations riled up. Well, the anime overall delivers heaps at many occasions. Some moments are made more powerful in the anime, so I suppose us manga readers are tuning in for those occasions. It's just here that didn't quite make it, that's all. Namely, the punch business. The moment the Colossal Titan appeared, the debut of the Armoured Titan, and so many other events that got animated did the manga justice. I could name so many occasions where the anime delivered perfectly for the majority of manga readers. It's just recently we're feeling somewhat betrayed or disappointed. But I think our disappointment is overwhelmed by all the moments where the anime got things right. I guess majority of the time you guys are not disappointed when everything comes together. Especially with SNK, it's hard to stay disappointed with something so epic. It's amazing when everything comes together to say the least. |
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Sep 23, 2013 10:03 PM
#693
| OMFG this episode was flawless! Animation, OST, can we talk about those 3-D effects, lighting, angles, and WHAT?! WHAT IS THIS?! CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT WITH EREN?! JFC it's a god damn miracle! Eren, the vanilla milkshake classic ballsy hero, has be come borderline antihero! CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!!!!! I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!! |
| *facepalm* |
Sep 23, 2013 10:19 PM
#694
| No wonder why, good job eren LOL x[) https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601562_559951394058360_374297412_n.jpg |
Sep 23, 2013 10:56 PM
#695
sim0n2170 said: No wonder why, good job eren LOL x[) https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601562_559951394058360_374297412_n.jpg Ha ha that's good. Is it me or Mikasa looks like the FT here.. esp. the eye.. |
Sep 23, 2013 11:26 PM
#696
etherealhorizon said: Eren, the vanilla milkshake classic ballsy hero, has be come borderline antihero! CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!!!!! I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!! Not gonna lie buuuuut.... I always thought he was an anti-hero since the beginning.... so I don't know how this is meant to be a drastic shift in his character development o_O (especially considering how the manga depicts him as becoming more mature and level-headed, which I honestly hope they'll touch on for the last episode and don't just stick with him being in complete blind rage mode). |
Sep 24, 2013 1:27 AM
#698
| Yeah, he's a little too edgy to be a true hero to begin with. |
| Deconstruction ≠ Darker & Edgier Trope ≠ Cliché (Face it, nothing is completely original. Can't make something from nothing so to say.). Fanservice ≠ Ecchi (Though ecchi can please the fans!) Popular ≠ Sucks... maybe Seinen = K-ON! Shounen, Shoujo, Seinen and Josei are demographics. Anime/Manga = Japanese Cartoons! Deal with it. Support Movember. Raise awareness of men's health issues. Put a mustache on your avatars or something... |
Sep 24, 2013 1:37 AM
#699
HalfMetalJacket said: Yeah, he's a little too edgy to be a true hero to begin with. Well, in SnK, there's no 'true hero' to begin with. Everyone here has done something ugly or something that they regret, all in the name of survival. This outlook on humankind could not hit home any more in terms of how it relates to how our own world has always been. |
Sep 24, 2013 2:35 AM
#700
Beaver897 said: HalfMetalJacket said: Yeah, he's a little too edgy to be a true hero to begin with. Well, in SnK, there's no 'true hero' to begin with. Everyone here has done something ugly or something that they regret, all in the name of survival. This outlook on humankind could not hit home any more in terms of how it relates to how our own world has always been. Pretty much. But main point is the anime might start straying too far from what the manga intended Eren to be. He's suppose to be rather calm at this point, but it looks like he's gone rage mode now. |
| Deconstruction ≠ Darker & Edgier Trope ≠ Cliché (Face it, nothing is completely original. Can't make something from nothing so to say.). Fanservice ≠ Ecchi (Though ecchi can please the fans!) Popular ≠ Sucks... maybe Seinen = K-ON! Shounen, Shoujo, Seinen and Josei are demographics. Anime/Manga = Japanese Cartoons! Deal with it. Support Movember. Raise awareness of men's health issues. Put a mustache on your avatars or something... |
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