Shiki Episode 22 Discussion

gstyp22 said:


yes and yes
I really wanted the old big guy to die and he did that made my day

shiro_aya said:
What the f*** this little girl can't just die in peace even after all this happened?! No, it's not it. This STUPID monk just couldn't let her die when she herself understood that she shouldn't exist in the first place and wanted to die!... She finally came to terms with herself yet he came to brainwash her again... -.- He was the very first who deserved to die yet he lives....

At least Toshio lives but... Natsuno...... TT_TT

Ok, I had to throw out my thoughts somewhere xp But Shiki is truly not an average anime to leave such an impact on the viewer. It was definitely worth watching.

ImpendingRiot said:
Uhh.... that escalated, very quickly.

No matter which way you look at it, everything is still Sunako's fault for trying to turn the village. She badly underestimated the humans, not realizing that the villagers were actually pretty fucked up to begin with.

Natsuno's death was... quite quiet.

I suppose this series goes to show that ignoring the implications of your actions eventually leads to you being slain by them.

skyzblue said:
In the end, the anime showed both humans and shiki are separated by a thin line. I'm glad the village burned dead, it almost provided like a giant funeral. XD
Toshio realises he lost to Muroi, but for me everyone's the loser here. They couldn't protect the village after all.
Overall, 7.5/10

Animefreak17a said:

I'm glad the village burned down because it's what the villagers deserve

skyzblue said:

It didn't help anyone tbh, Shiki or humans. That's why I feel disappointed with Muroi as a character. If he wasn't so much fixated on Sunako, such a massive gorefest could've been prevented. Yes, the villagers were buoyed by Toshio, but they sure would've calmed down if the village priest was there with them. He had the calmness Toshio desparately lacked.

Animefreak17a said:
I doubt it because even if he went to the villagers when he was making hes speech how the shiki are evil and such.......the doctor had them in he's control because of evidence and the humans was all fired up and scared............look at the people in the temple they tried to talk to the mob but was branded traitors because they tried to stop them from entering the temple and look at the old man they killed he was under the shikis control he was killed and they was told by the doctor he was only being controlled but was killed anyways and look at the people in the pipes......the doctor told the villagers that it takes 4 times to turn in to shiki or die but they was only bitten once and they killed them anyways...........look at the woman who's mother was a shiki she tried to tell them her mother wasn't a monster but was still killed by the villagers and a man who saw he's sons body couldn't take it anymore and wanted everyone to stop killing but they didn't listen to him............

The villagers was fluid by revenge and fear and hate...........If they was to listen to the monk saying they shouldn't start killing he would of been killed on the spot and be branded a traitor.............you need to understand why the monk choses the shiki over the humans you really need to listen to what he says and what he sees to understand why he decides to go over o the shiki.

skyzblue said:

I understand why Seishin went with the Shiki. He's still a very weak willed character though in my eyes.
Where Toshio took the initiative to convince the villagers (remember no one believed him at first), Seishin basically did nothing but remain fixated on Sunako. He could've been the only person and friend to change Toshio's mind, but his lack of initiative is what disappoints me.

skyzblue said:
^please make it short. Its a pain to read sentences as long as paragraphs.

Polarity said:
The only way it could of ended better for me was if Natsuno didn't die. I was really happy when vampire loli and retard monk died. They are up for the most stupidest characters in anime I've seen.

xXWoLFxChAoSXx said:
Jeez....this anime was almost as bad as Serial Experiments Lain.
This anime gets a 3/10 and that is only because of the doctor and natsuno.

xXWoLFxChAoSXx said:


No quite the opposite in fact. Those were my favorite characters out of the show. But one of the major things about this show that I did not like was the animation. The animation does not fit with the show. Seriously who gives an old lady pink hair that doesn't even go with how she looks. I could go on with all the things wrong with the animation but it just doesn't go well for me. The story isn't half bad but it just simply isn't well executed at all. The fact that the doctor discovers vampires are in the village at like episode 6. Then uses his wife as the test subject to figure out how to kill them. They even state that they don't know how to kill vampires and all of the stuff comes for stories,movies ,etc. They were all working ways to killing a vampire but no let's take half the show just to use your wife as the test subject. Then when you finally get to the end of the show the villagers lose their minds and start killing innocent people and completely lose their humanity. Then after they finally kill them all, let's just throw a random ass fire into the plot so it can burn down the entire village and make the entire story a pointless waste of time. All in all this was a major letdown and not what I hoped it would be at all. People praise this anime, while I find it one of the worst i've ever watched.

HowTragic said:
The fuck just happened? Did Muroi really just do that? Does he want another tragedy like this to happen, just because he can't pull his head from his ass in depression? My goodness that deus ex revival at the end was retarded as hell. I see nothing more than a lolicon in him.

Arguments about rights and pleads of salvation are pointless. If you kill you better be prepared to be killed. I see no value in her justification of "killing to live" and cursing her fate. She killed people, regardless of reason, so people have the right to kill her.

I really wanted Megumi-chan to survive. She makes an effort to put on a new spunky costume every time, and I would have really liked her feelings to reach Natsuno.

Animefreak17a said:


Ok first off sunako has learned her lesson about making a home for her and shiki she is still a child and that's what she is still a child time has stopped for her at the age of 12 -13 and she stopped developing which shows how her dream of having a place where she calls home for shiki was a pipe dream ,, it's like a 4 year old wanting to have a town full of chocolate it, it was a childish way of thinking she wasn't evil she like all shiki was drinking human blood to survive she drank human blood like we kill animals to keep living, she didn't ask to become a shiki and she didn't want to die.

Also killing in the name of justice is still murder, an eye for an eye is terrible most of the shiki didn't kill out of malice or hate but to keep on living but the humans not only torment the shiki but the humans killed humans too-

The temple people
The old man
The people in the pipes

So if your saying that killing in the name of justice is ok then the monk should kill all the people who kill everyone in the temple........but he didn't he only killed that prick bearded ass hole who got what was coming to him but he was a shiki when he did that.

The monk started out weak because everyone wanted him to become something he didn't have no say in the matter the villagers forced he's father to become the head monk and he didn't have no say in the matter which made him hate the village but the monk took a stand and said no il do what I want not what others want me to be which to me is admirable.

In all the the novel manga and anime sunako escapes but the novel is the source material.

Natsuno in the novel which again is the source material didn't rise he died they only put him in for the younger audience the doctor did everything him self and he's a genocidle psychopath.

I do agree that migumi should of escaped tho that's the one thing I agree with you

Animefreak17a said:
First off yes she learned from this otherwise she wouldn't off thought to of tried to kill her self so this tells us she's learned from this. We humans kill each other over the most prettiest things-

What we look like
What we believe in
Where we come from
Our views
Or just because

The shiki like all creatures on this planet do what the do in order to live another day............ok

Let's say a mother lion kills 3 children under the age of 12 and takes the meat back to her young and they eat the meat of those children just to live another day......is that evil........Also a few humans goes looking for the lion and her young to kill them out of revenge, is this right...... there being hunted because they was trying to feed them selfs.

And yes she's still a child she stopped developing ......sure she has been around for over a 100 years reading books and its her knowledge that's expanded but she hasn't matured ........ok

You know that werewolf kid ( I forgot his name ) in the manga when he was dying told natsuno that he knew sunakos plan wouldn't work and he was in his 20+ and his younger then her so even tho sunako is older then him he knew it wouldn't work so this proves my point, she's immature and her dream to have a place where all shiki can live in peace was a childish pipe dream, if you don't believe me read the manga near the end.

She might be the oldest shiki but that doesn't mean she's mature, time has stopped for she and stopped her development physically and mentally but that doesn't mean her learning capabilities have stopped and after the village burned down she learned it wasn't a good idea and won't do it again.

We humans use animals in sport hunting and make them fight each other and torment them for fun and this is real life I'm talking about.

You seem to forget that all the shiki have different personalities............

Some shiki didn't want to drink human blood nor kill anyone.......like natsunos friend who was crying for what he did and he said that if he didn't do it they would go after his family ( chizuru and werewolf kid) and what about the old lady shiki who went back to her daughter and was welcomed back by her daughter or the nurse who didn't want to drink human blood an your right neo did want to bring her family to her side .......you could say it was selfish by she didn't do it out of malice but out of loneliness and I could see why she did it cause of her past.

And what about her parents who told servants to go to the barn and feed her what do you say to that...........

Also humans fight and kill each other over land, food, power, hate, fear all the time ........ok let me ask you this then..........let's say for example you was living in a town that dying and there was no food and you couldn't get anything from this or out side the town and your family was dying of hunger ........however there was a town a few miles down the who had food but they wouldn't share it because they needed it for them selfs........but the whole town ( where your living in) decided to take what the other town had for them selfs and killed many people to get what they wanted .........would that be fair kill them for you to survive........is that fair?

Natsuno dies in the novel he doesn't rise as a werewolf his existence in the manga and anime is pointless.

Ok ok if you feel that way read the manga chapter 40 where sunako is about to be killed by evil Santa he clams he's killing in the name of justice.....but look at the human lives the humans killed is that justice if you read the manga you could see the humans killing other humans and killing shiki out of enjoyment and in the anime,

Let me ask you this......let's say you killed my mother would you expect me to kill you because it's justice and its what you deserve..............I wouldn't do it I wouldn't become a monster like the monster who killed my mother..........Yes I would want justice but not by killing someone otherwise I would be just as bad or even worse then the person who killed my mother .........an eye for an eye makes the world go blind.

Cause if I did kill you for killing my mother someone who loves you would want to kill me and if they did someone who loves me would kill that person and so on and so on.......it would be a endless cycle of hate and killing will keep going on and on in an never ended cycle and this is why I condemn revenge and If you kill, you better be prepared to be killed, I condemn these actions.

Look at sasuke uchia he's family was destroyed by his brother who's orders was from the elders and other people of the village, would it be right for him to kill the villagers for what the elders and others did to his family, it was the village who suspected the uchia had something to do with the 9 tails attacking the village and the uchia did nothing wrong but was shunned .....is that fair?

Your the one with lousy sloppy logic kill and be killed.......And this starts a cycle of hatred you killed now il kill you and il kill you for killing him now il kill you cause you killed her and il kill you for killing him.........-_- your hopeless.

Some of the humans was enjoying killing the shiki ........I wouldn't of minded so much if they killed them quickly but no look at the specials in the pipes they not only killed there fellow hunters who was bitten once but they chained the shiki to the ground and let them suffer while smiling and was disappointed when the old guy put them out of there misery .......his kid was killed by the shiki but he hated seeing them suffer so he put them out of there misery fast.

In the series it's implied that shiki can't sin because there not humans anymore so killing as a shiki wont give you a one way trip to hell but the humans will 100% will go there * humans sin not shiki*

Also he was a werewolf when he killed evil Santa so he's cool and he saved her from the evil human.

There was that guy with the big gun who was a human and he was willingly on the shikis side he was also sunakos adoptive father what do you say to him.......What about the humans who didn't want to kill the shiki what do you say to them.

The humans lost everything

The village
There homes
Friends
Family
All of it burned down and to me that's a suitable ending for them, the humans became monsters there not hero's.

What about the doctors wife.........she didn't attack anyone and the first thing she saw was her husband experimenting on her while she was tied up she had no idea why he was doing it to her......he didn't explain why he did it or say he was sorry or cry or anything.......this is because he didn't love her when she was human so it was easy for him to do so.

Sorry but your logic is stupid.............kill them when they kill ...........Oh God that's stupid

Here's a anime for you to watch dance in the vampire bund .......then read the manga of it it's amazing how this and shiki are similar give it a watch.

Good God I love heated discussions like this it's great to get your feelings on a topic out .........don't you agree

Saber_Princess said:
I am satisfied with the ending, although I wouldn't have liked it, it is just right that the ending is like that. Both sides lost many and survived a few.

As for me, I am in the human's side, so I didn't like it that sunako and the priest escaped, but my feeling was compensated since my favorite human characters survived. The tanaka siblings.

Many principles are touched and was potrayed in the anime, and everyone has the freedom to take whatever side of the coin are one with, as for me, The shiki's are the antagonists of the show and the humans are the protagonists. Although I felt bad for some of the shiki's the met an unforgivable death, yeah, even as shiki.

Foyfoy_Wyzdm said:
Why did they have to kill Megumi, she didn't even get to see Natsuno as a risen :(

Also did Natsuno die?

Kuroton said:
I just watched this and all I feel is disappointment. I don't feel like going into the plot holes, the boring slow-paced story telling and dumb characters as that would take far too much time, and I've already wasted enough time by watching this show. I'm just going to focus and the generic trash last episode, Sukano and Seishin's escape to be specific:

So this trash sequence starts when they're trying to figure out where the shiki are hiding and one of the guy says "Oh yeah, when they were building the castle they exported a ton of dirt out of there to make a basement, I bet that's where they're hiding"- Really? It didn't cross your mind to bring this up the first time they searched the castle? Well shit happens I guess, moving on.

So they head over to castle and the gay nekomimi tatsumi is on the lookout and decides to distract them so that Sukano can get away. His genius plan? He gets in a car and drives away.. What an idiot, this couldn't possibly work, you say? Well you're ******* wrong. The people see him driving away causing the 40 people guarding the place to CHASE HIM ON FOOT, leaving the castle completely unguarded. Are you kidding me? ONE guy makes a break for it, and everyone leaves to follow him? Are they that ******* stupid? it crossed no one's mind that he was a decoy? Why do they need 40 people chasing a car? I mean they went there in the first place to check the basement god dammit.

Since the castle is now literally unguarded, Seishin takes the second car that was just sitting in the castle's parking garage and leisurely drives down the secret escape road, but oh no! There is a group of maybe 5 guys with farming tools guarding the road! Well shit Seishin, you're in a big ass SUV thing, just run them down! Nope, Seishin's punk ass decides to instead drive down the side of the ******* mountain, Oh and did I mention that the mountain is covered in a forest of trees? No worries, Seishin drives that SUV at full speed, downhill, through a large cluster of trees and makes it out without a scratch and lands perfectly on the road below. WHAT!? THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. WHO WRITES THIS SHIT?

Next the main group notices Seishin driving away to the temple. They follow him there and the comedy ensues as they all run around past him multiple times, look everywhere except the ONE place he's hiding and then murder his family. Gold. He takes a nap, then gets up, and despite practically being a zombie from having his blood drained, hauls sukano away, fights off a guy with a machete(after getting sliced in the stomach), and makes it into the forest with the others hot on his tail. The others are following his blood and things are looking grim for Mr. Seishin. Scratch that: nope. Even though he's moving like a snail due to not only having barely any blood left in his body to begin with, but he's also losing blood from his cut, he still manages to somehow outrun the mob chasing him. Fuck. This Anime.

He hides the suitcase with Sukano in a ditch and then lies down and "dies". Night hits and Sukano wakes up. How the people, tracking his blood haven't caught up to them yet is beyond me. She runs dramatically through the forest with the old man following her trail, and they end up in the church. He catches Sukano, and holds her up to the wall and talks for about 10 minutes instead of just killing her. Oh and did I mention that the entire mountain they were on was engulfed in flames? No problem old man, take your time, no worries. The scene switches and Seishin wakes up and, of course, he's come back as a werewolf. How convenient. Well it looks like Sukano is finally going to die. Of course not. Seishin gets there within a split second of the old man killing her. Disregard the fact that it took them all night to get to the damn church, but Seishin gets there within a couple of minutes and kills the old man from behind with a machete(where the hell did he get a machete?)as he raises the stake to kill Sukano.... Generic trash anime. This is the type of storytelling that makes western action flicks a running joke. Defying all odds, impossible timing, just general bullshit. So Seishin saves the little vampire girl and we're supposed to be happy? I could not care less about any of these characters. Awful character devolopment, awful story, awful animation. The only good thing about this anime was the sound track.

bittersweetlove said:
So Seishin did everything he could to protect Sunako, thanks to it, she is alive. I really don't get it why he would do all that to a girl he barely knew, when his best friend wanted his help and he just turned away...
Toshio saved the series for sure... 7/10

BloodyScarf said:
What happened in the last frames?

After the ending.

Why do they smile? Because those kids survived? I can't understand that point. Anyone knows about it?

Yap30 said:
Noo! How can they let that little girl go.. Just kill every last one of those risen, they don't deserve to live anyway.