Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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exLightning said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: 3) People watch stuff they don't like all the time. It's called being a critic. Well-rounded people don't live in an echo chamber where only things they like are allowed. I'm sorry so because I only watch anime I enjoy I'm not well rounded and I'm in an Echo chamber? Last time I checked it's normal to not watch stuff you don't enjoy. Echo chamber might have been a bit much but yes, as far as media is concerned, only watching things you like means you aren't well rounded when it comes to judging it. After all, if you never watch anything bad how would you know if something is good? |
Cmterio said: It depends, i wanst falling into madness of course, but i had some psychologists to help my treatment, family and friend to help, Subaru has nothing. U can adapt by yourself but is hard do it alone. Yeah. Not to drift further in this but even simple shit we all go through in our everyday lives can become torturious. Like a stream of water burrowing into a rock. We all have our support systems and coping methods and some of those can prove even more destructive than what we are trying to escape. I smoke, I've smoked even more out of habit and a few frustrating things that has happened in recent times. But it's a means of coping, not a good one and can kill me and probably will, if it hasn't already, shorten my life. Subaru just gets this shit thrown in his face over and over it's hard to cope I'm sure. I see Subaru as a guy stuck on a wild horse, he doesn't want to get thrown off so he holds on even tighter. I guess the horse is following Emilia and along and dealing with the fright of nearly falling is like every time he is killed, fucks up, or witnesses someone get killed. |
QWERTYFish25Jul 4, 2016 1:13 PM
thrilllex said: I absolutely hate that they spent the first two story arcs making us love the main character and now Subaru is just a petty, angsty, stubborn thirteen year old who is extremely unlikable. I don't understand the point. I hope the show redeems itself as it goes on. But, since the start of the third arc the show has just been a massive disappointment for me. Well, Subaru's personality hasn't changed since episode one. He's just finally been put in a situation that shines light on his bad side. |
thrilllex said: lol idk, that doesn't really change the fact that he's become super unlikable and inconsiderate to everybody other than himself. and the change was too instantaneous. It makes no sense to me that his entire personality would completely turn 180 in one episode. I mean I get the point is to make the viewer uncomfortable with the change in Subaru but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I'm just upset since through the first two arcs, episode after episode I would tell myself this is amazing, the best anime I've watched in a long time, but from the third arc onwards I just haven't been enjoying myself at all :S His support system in this long and emotionally taxing death game in another world was built entirely on Emilia being close with him. She was the only thing that kept him grounded. Once she became legitimately upset with him, he couldn't cope. once he couldn't cope, he started grasping at whatever he could to 'fix' things. Only he's not from this world and has no idea how many bridges he can burn in a short time rashly grasping at those straws. He's not well in any sense of the word, and he hasn't been in some time. The only reason why he seemed well enough before his epic meltdown was because his support system remained in place to mask the disease. Everything he has been through has really messed him up and the only light in his world suddenly went dark. I agree it sucks to see him so twisted at the moment and it's hard to like him when he's like t his, but I could easily believe someone acting out as he has, given what has happened and how it has warped his perception of reality. |
sirflimflamJul 4, 2016 1:19 PM
Noumu said: Well, if a non MC gets this much attention it usually means that the character in question will be gone for good (in one way or another). Which could serve multiple purposes like teaching the MC a specific lesson or just to leave an emotional impact on the viewer. Thanks for the elaboration. It was more of a rhetorical question though :P I've seen a bit anime, too. You probably know it happens not too rarely. Also your explanation is exactly why it is frustrating AF. We all know he will never go for either of them as long as Emilia is there. Yet they are so much more likable at this point of the anime. And unless Emilia gets some serious amount of screen time soon that won't change at all. (Even if she gets more screen time it is questionable if she can catch up. Although that obviously is a matter of taste. People like different things) |
FononZero said: Remember that he saved him from the mabeast on the last moment. Soubaru might have defeated the main beast on his own but he would not have survived most likely. but in those circumstances Soubaru would have been as a martyr. And the the heart of Emilia would have been forever influenced by his memory. He would not be able to turn her in a puppet. And she might have turned against him. He wants Soubaru dead but he wants to maintain the illusion of him being the good guy. If you remember there is a chain sound before being attacked by the puppy. Except Rem and Roswaal there i no one that would make that sound. we already know Rem does not attack Soubaru at first so that only leaves Roswaal.nightcrawlercyp said: This is my theory based on what happened so far. I did not read the manga ad as such I am not 100% sure but I am pretty sure of it. Very interesting theory... I could see Rem and Ram going against each other though. It already seems very apparent that Rem's allegiance has taken one's side (Subaru's). And does anyone remember that Oni story that Subaru told Ram? I remember it saying they couldn't be together or something? Might have to rewatch the episode. I do find Roswaal a little suspicious, though if he wanted Subaru to die... he wouldn't have to save him from the majuu. I can definitely agree about Satella.... maybe Satella is like Subaru in many ways. Satella wanted love, just like Subaru wants love (from Emilia). She didn't get it, and so she lost her mind (similar to Subaru). However, Subaru is also going through a lot more problems other than love.... such as dying and living in a new world. |
| Damn that cliffhanger I wonder what happened... |
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Red_Ranger_Wien said: I would not say bad just selfish. He sees Emilia as his prize not as a human being. He tries to manipulate her into loving him. I do not blame him that much, but at some point you should grow up out of that mindset. The sooner the better.thrilllex said: I absolutely hate that they spent the first two story arcs making us love the main character and now Subaru is just a petty, angsty, stubborn thirteen year old who is extremely unlikable. I don't understand the point. I hope the show redeems itself as it goes on. But, since the start of the third arc the show has just been a massive disappointment for me. Well, Subaru's personality hasn't changed since episode one. He's just finally been put in a situation that shines light on his bad side. |
AmejiHunter said: Jagd84 said: She save his life+give him a home and then feel for her. It's because of her kindness he found a place in this world to live when everybody tried to either rob or kill him. So negotiating with Felt to get Emilia's emblem back, saving Emilia, Felt and Rom from Elza, saving Rem and village children are him doing nothing at all? How does that make sense? He was key to how everyone has survived this far. He's technicality correct and not just being delusional. Where he's wrong is talking up everything on his shoulders. Ugh, sorry, I wasn't clear in what I wrote. What I wanted to say is that yes, as he was useful and they wouldn't be there without him, they DON'T know about him being so useful. They aren't aware of his past saves. At the first event, it appears as if Reinhald did pretty much everything and saved them, not Subaru. At the second event, while he did save Rem ( That's why she got a crush on him tbh ), he merely went into the forest and almost got him killed twice. Roswaal saved his life, and so did Rem & Ram. The only thing he did there was going back for Rem and figuring out the curse thing. Now, he just acts as if they knew all he did, while they don't. That's why everyone just f*cks him up so badly, because they see him as a useless and rude prick that thinks he's the center of the world while he's not. Except, from HIS PoV, it almost makes sense to believe that. That's not really accurate. Reinhard didn't even get there near the end of fight, so Subaru and Emilia being forced to hold Elsa off on their own. He also saved Felt from being killed Elsa held off the later for sometime. He also the one to save Emilia the end after everyone had let their guard down. And if weren't for that and him meeting Reinhard earlier our red-hair knight never would shown up in the first place. In the 2nd arc. they all saved each other. If Subaru saved Rem from cursed dogs and snap out of her Berserker state. If not for Subaru Ram would never made to Rem because her body too weak to fight for longer periods and he saved from falling of a cliff. So basically in every conflict to date Subaru not played an active role and but saved people. I agree definitely didn't do everything on his own, but he's not bullshitting about his achievements, we have seen them. However problem is that developed into hero complex he can't share the knowledge of his power with anyone so he's forced to take burden/stress of saving everyone while not being able to confide in anyone about it. He's recent self important attitude is just how he's come to cope with it. Noumu said: AmejiHunter said: She saved him So have other characters which (unlike Emilia) even risked their lives to do so. What Emilia did for him pales in comparison to what some of the other characters did, she just happend to be the first nice person he ran into (which is nothing that justifies the level of obsession he displays towards her). This isn't remotely true at all. Emilia didn't just save him his currently life and stability is owe to her as well. Subaru recognizes that. In contrast, Rem killed him, Roswaal and Ram where suspicious of him and even attacked him in one loop. Reinhard is only other character who hasn't been dick to him. So no, Emilia and Puck were the only people he could even trust for a long time. |
Iron_MawJul 4, 2016 2:11 PM
| What I love about this (not just the episode, but reading the discussion thread as well) is that nothing is strictly black and white. Instead, full grayscale is present, and everyone has different opinions where Subaru (his state and his actions) lie on that scale. The fact that Subaru is also wrong and right at the same time additionally fuels that. From the perspective of other characters, Subaru is, to say it in short, being an idiot, but if you look at the whole thing from the perspective of "observer outside of the box", Subaru's reckless actions such as disobeying Emilia to enter the castle and returning back to Roswaal's manor have sense - Subaru's strongest (I'd rather say "only") weapon is information, and if he's not present, he doesn't get to know what happened exactly and thus can't plan how to "fix" it. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
ColdBreeze said: I think this comment is quite good and maybe some of you read it already- Subaru has many good traits. It's just that this arc showed the flipside of those strengths He's optimistic, he's resilient, and he's caring and protective. Come this arc the optimism becomes naivety, resilience becomes stubbornness, and the protective side becomes possessive. All because he's powerless now. He's basically doing the same thing as before, but the circumstance made him worse off. The smoke trick at arc 2 shows resourcefulness and bravery, in the Julius fight it's desperation and recklessness. Same action, polar opposite outcomes. I saw the comment on Reddit the other day. It's an great insighful summation of the themes of Subaru's character that further reflects how human he is. He's no paragon of justice, but he isn't a pariah, just boy struggling to find his place and do his best ability to protect what little he has in a fairly unforgiving world. |
Iron_MawJul 4, 2016 2:36 PM
ColdBreeze said: I think this comment is quite good and maybe some of you read it already- Subaru has many good traits. It's just that this arc showed the flipside of those strengths He's optimistic, he's resilient, and he's caring and protective. Come this arc the optimism becomes naivety, resilience becomes stubbornness, and the protective side becomes possessive. All because he's powerless now. He's basically doing the same thing as before, but the circumstance made him worse off. The smoke trick at arc 2 shows resourcefulness and bravery, in the Julius fight it's desperation and recklessness. Same action, polar opposite outcomes. I quite agree with that. |
smoct_ai said: I agree to almost every points of the comment, but I have to add to say that he has one obvious bad trait. He is not the kind of person who sincerely pays attention (and respect) to what other person wants and asks him, listens to what people around him say to him. (remember that he consistently showed "I don't care so much what you ask me to do" attitude toward Bea-co in the previous arc?). Usually, he does not take what other person says seriously, even when he genuinely cares for them. In this sense, he is self-absorbed (absorbed in one's own thoughts, activities, or interests). This bad trait of him can bring out gravely unfortunate consequences depending on circumstance, and it is just what happened in arc 3. If he were the kind of person who pays attention to other people, he would have not felt betrayed to see Emilia got so mad at him for breaking promises. His reaction is more like " So what? No big deal. It's nearly nothing because I did that for your sake". Eh, I don't really agree with that. It's clear that he said what he did to Emilia under frustration. And he isn't less self-absorb than anyone else in this series (Beako is just as bad if not worse let's be honest for example). He still puts himself on line to help others when they do good for him. He didn't have to help Emilia search for her insignia and could have run away sold his cell phone for money even with knowledge what would happen to her, but he did because felt obligated to help her after she saved him. It shows that he has principals and well meaning. And while he sometimes fails to read the mood he's payed plenty of attention to people, that how he was eventually came to save Rem and help get over inferiority complex. Subaru no saint but his negative often to exaggerated by some who hate the fact he's hikki and school kid. |
Iron_MawJul 4, 2016 3:05 PM
| Great episode. That ending... damn it's gonna be good. : ) |
 Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite… A lie will remain a lie. |
| Yeah.. subaru still being really annoying ... and I wasn't sure where this was going.. but that ending was interesting ^^ looking forward for the next episode. |
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| so no more Ram for the remainder of the show? |
  "When the time is yours, the future is waiting, The person you become, and the people you're creating." |
jeffu said: so no more Ram for the remainder of the show? Answering that would b a spoiler. |
For those who keep asking why Subaru is so devoted to Emilia, here's how he feels ^ |
| I fucking hate cliff hangers. |
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| Just wanted to drop by and say that, like many others, I don't particularly enjoy watching what Subaru has turned into at the moment. I perfectly understand his issues and the mental problems he's developing and in no way am arguing that his current behavior is unrealistic or stupid. However, seeing this type of protagonist is just not what I was looking for in this anime and am hoping that his mindset will change very soon (or at least within the next several episodes). Also, huge thanks to @Fappa for his insightful and analytical posts in the first few pages of this discussion (that's as far as I've read the comments). They helped me notice some things that I wasn't quite aware of yet (such as Subaru's increasingly developed escapism issues). |
| I really wish that Subaru gets his mind straightened out.. |
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| I only hope that Beako is safe :3 |
FononZero said: I don't think it's a bad thing if you don't like a mc... I don't even like Subaru that much, but I'm very interested in the story, and the other characters involved. Personally for me, characters like Elsa, Reinhardt, Rem, Beatrice have made this show really enjoyable for me. You make a fair point and I'm inclined to agree. Its just that part of me, despite all other reason, wants to see the guy start acting smart and have things work out for him. I'm guessing that's the main culprit behind my dissatisfaction with the last 2 eps. Its difficult when your emotions don't agree with your own logic and thought process. xD |
| I would've enjoyed the episode a lot more if it wasn't for Subaru. |
Jagd84 said: I saw the comment on Reddit the other day. It's an great insighful summation of the themes of Subaru's character that further reflects how human he is. He's no paragon of justice, but he isn't a pariah, just boy struggling to find his place and do his best ability to protect what little he has in a fairly unforgiving world. My problem with this quote and the show in general is that I don't understand why I'd want to watch Subaru's character be tested like this. In something like Now and Then, Here and There it's supposed to be a metaphor for child slavery and how you can't stop war with naivety alone. What exactly is Re:Zero by putting its lead through hell? Just to show you what would happen if a normal person was dropped into a strange (and very generic/underdeveloped) fantasy world? Just to subvert the standard white knight tropes? Those are WEAK goals for your story, especially when you're taking a lot of episodes to tell the tale (I heard it was going to take the remainder of the series). You need to aim higher than that. |
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| Another JAWDROPPING last scene... Oh my Rem!!! That was terrible... :( and the villagers... what on Earth happened and who are those Cult people surrounding Subaru before the gate? Have to wait at least a week for the next episode... (^^^) |
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| New OP is great, but I like a lot the first one. Subaru made some scary faces again:/. He is suffering more and more, so I wonder how will be cured. The |
iRels said: He did used prior loops knowledge to try to make her love him. He puts on an act many times for this purpose. I agree he has true affection for her but he is unable to understand why she feel he betrayed her. He broke his promise to her. His intentions may have been good but this does not change the fact. In the end all that a man has is his word. If that cannot be trusted then he cannot accomplish anything.nightcrawlercyp said: I would not say bad just selfish. He sees Emilia as his prize not as a human being. He tries to manipulate her into loving him. I do not blame him that much, but at some point you should grow up out of that mindset. The sooner the better. O_o He doesn't treats her like an object. She's no prize. It's simply that the affection she shows for him, serves as a compensation. He respects her opinion. But he believes to be aware of more than her. 'Manipulate'? He never tried. What he did was compliment her beauty and such. Like I said, he respects her. It'd be unworthy of him to treat her unfairly. |
FononZero said: well the witch is dead no? or at least unable to use her powers?nightcrawlercyp said: Remember that he saved him from the mabeast on the last moment. Soubaru might have defeated the main beast on his own but he would not have survived most likely. but in those circumstances Soubaru would have been as a martyr. And the the heart of Emilia would have been forever influenced by his memory. He would not be able to turn her in a puppet. And she might have turned against him. He wants Soubaru dead but he wants to maintain the illusion of him being the good guy. If you remember there is a chain sound before being attacked by the puppy. Except Rem and Roswaal there i no one that would make that sound. we already know Rem does not attack Soubaru at first so that only leaves Roswaal. Hmm, I totally forgot about the chain sounds. You might be onto something. I'm really tempted to re-watch some of these older episodes again to see if I can pick up any new clues. There are still certain parts of your theory I disagree with (most namely, the cult giving Subaru the shinimodori power rather than the witch), but I guess that's the fun in making theories. |
| New OP is great, but I like a lot the first one. Subaru made again some scary faces :/. He is suffering more and more, so I wonder how he will be cured. The only moment where his mind was fully functional was during the talk with the vendor. Great theory above! |
SakaitsuJul 4, 2016 10:49 PM
| Loved this ep, hopefully Subaru gets his act together soon, I miss his humor ;-; |
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iRels said: well she does tell him a lot about herself in the first loops about what she likes and such. Also I would say he loves the first loop Emilia not this Emilia. He admits himself he knows things about her he does not remember telling him like how much it bothers her being a half elf or her fondness for Puck. In a way is just like those dating sims where you can try each answer to see which works. Life does not work like this. Unless he opens up anything between him and Emilia will be fake. Oh and I think she will remember the past loops when she gets her full power.nightcrawlercyp said: He did used prior loops knowledge to try to make her love him. Huh? I don't remember seeing that. What he did was solve issues. To impress her and such... Maybe you could get some scenes of what you think is the case. |
Flawfinder said: Jagd84 said: I saw the comment on Reddit the other day. It's an great insighful summation of the themes of Subaru's character that further reflects how human he is. He's no paragon of justice, but he isn't a pariah, just boy struggling to find his place and do his best ability to protect what little he has in a fairly unforgiving world. My problem with this quote and the show in general is that I don't understand why I'd want to watch Subaru's character be tested like this. In something like Now and Then, Here and There it's supposed to be a metaphor for child slavery and how you can't stop war with naivety alone. What exactly is Re:Zero by putting its lead through hell? Just to show you what would happen if a normal person was dropped into a strange (and very generic/underdeveloped) fantasy world? Just to subvert the standard white knight tropes? Those are WEAK goals for your story, especially when you're taking a lot of episodes to tell the tale (I heard it was going to take the remainder of the series). You need to aim higher than that. I don't think a good story necessarily needs any symbolism or metaphors to achieve high marks. All it needs to do is to keep the audience interested. While the aforementioned aspects help tremendously with that and assist in giving depth to the story, they are not always necessary. Whoever can write a story like that receives a round of applause, though, since it is not by any means an easy task. Subaru is a good character. While I find myself annoyed over his seemingly dumb decisions and crazy behavior at times, he causes the old white knight story to deviate so much it becomes something else altogether. I think there is much that we should know, but don't, about Subaru's life prior to getting thrown into the fantasy world. We know that he was basically a shut-in. These people less often have many social contacts. When I think of my own life that could well be categorized as a solitary lifestyle, I can see similarities in Subaru. While he can and has had discussions with people, he doesn't necessarily always understand what they mean. Due to being a loner for so long, he lacks insight that active relationships give you. He misunderstands everyone's worry for him being distrust in his power. I had similar issues in the past. I took jokes way too seriously and got depressed after a single insult. I either over-analyzed or didn't think ahead at all. Subaru is doing the former. I'd cut him some slack, though, since there are ill-minded individuals in society, both in our world and fantasy. As he is in the latter, they tend to be even more audacious and brutal in their sick efforts. To top it off, he can't really let Emilia or anyone else to do as they wish. As we saw, if he just holed up in the inn like a good boy, Rem and everyone else would've got slaughtered like pigs. Unless he likes having a terribly guilty conscience, he can't just leave things to be. And as such, he has to live with huge amounts of stress, both constant physical and mental taxation. Not able to tell the truth about his condition, nor anyone understanding him even if he could, those troubles on his mind just got a whole lot bigger. I don't think the story is cliche or bad at all. While I don't deny the possibility of the whole thing being a metaphor for escapism or something blatantly obvious as that, it holds well on its own as a more straightforward time loop tale. tl;dr it's a pretty good story |
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Flawfinder said: Jagd84 said: I saw the comment on Reddit the other day. It's an great insighful summation of the themes of Subaru's character that further reflects how human he is. He's no paragon of justice, but he isn't a pariah, just boy struggling to find his place and do his best ability to protect what little he has in a fairly unforgiving world. My problem with this quote and the show in general is that I don't understand why I'd want to watch Subaru's character be tested like this. In something like Now and Then, Here and There it's supposed to be a metaphor for child slavery and how you can't stop war with naivety alone. What exactly is Re:Zero by putting its lead through hell? Just to show you what would happen if a normal person was dropped into a strange (and very generic/underdeveloped) fantasy world? Just to subvert the standard white knight tropes? Those are WEAK goals for your story, especially when you're taking a lot of episodes to tell the tale (I heard it was going to take the remainder of the series). You need to aim higher than that. Whether you want to what Suabru tested like this or not is irrelevant. It's like complaining about why Guts in Berserk had lose all his friends and family to demons and suffer through period of isolation where he mostly nothing but just a selfish asshole until he developed from his hardships into a better person as he struggled with his own flaws and cruel destiny. It's all for development of Subaru's character. He has to gradually face his own flaws and insecurities to come to terms with himself. If don't like your welcome to drop the show, but that what this arc is about more than anything. |
Iron_MawJul 5, 2016 1:36 AM
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