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MetaKlonoa said: Iro-sama said: Am I the only one truly concerned about Kayaba Akihiko being portrayed so positive, almost as if he's a good character? I mean, sure thing he's way more likable and relaxed than Sugou, but just because he had a "cooler reason" for what he did and didn't act pathetic or psychotic doesn't make him much less of a criminal. In the end he killed around 4000 people and probably psychologically scared a few thousand more for life. I just think it's kinda wrong, no matter what year the novel had been written in.. (Also, thank GOD the novels didn't include that almost-rape scene, cuz I wuold've lost a hell lot of respect for the creator) All in all (being generally disappointed in this half of the show) it was a lame ending to a lame storyline. I really wished they'd stuck more to SAO even if it's not like that in the novel :( ALO really wasn't impressing at all.. I also had a problem with it. No, not every villain has to be totally evil, but Kirito talks about him in this episode like he was a great man. Really, he was a bad person, killing thousands of people for his own selfish purposes. The anime never really emphasizes how bad he actually is, and he never does anything good enough to atone for what he's done, and doesn't really experience any consequences either. If not for its treatment of Kayaba Akihiko, I would have liked this show a lot more. Iskandar.Just saying.... |
DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: Iskandar.Just saying.... That's not fair. Alexander was just boss in every way, you can't compare anybody to him, he is too awesome for such petty markers as "good", "just" or "selfish" to apply. B-But... |
ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: Iro-sama said: Am I the only one truly concerned about Kayaba Akihiko being portrayed so positive, almost as if he's a good character? I mean, sure thing he's way more likable and relaxed than Sugou, but just because he had a "cooler reason" for what he did and didn't act pathetic or psychotic doesn't make him much less of a criminal. In the end he killed around 4000 people and probably psychologically scared a few thousand more for life. I just think it's kinda wrong, no matter what year the novel had been written in.. (Also, thank GOD the novels didn't include that almost-rape scene, cuz I wuold've lost a hell lot of respect for the creator) All in all (being generally disappointed in this half of the show) it was a lame ending to a lame storyline. I really wished they'd stuck more to SAO even if it's not like that in the novel :( ALO really wasn't impressing at all.. I also had a problem with it. No, not every villain has to be totally evil, but Kirito talks about him in this episode like he was a great man. Really, he was a bad person, killing thousands of people for his own selfish purposes. The anime never really emphasizes how bad he actually is, and he never does anything good enough to atone for what he's done, and doesn't really experience any consequences either. If not for its treatment of Kayaba Akihiko, I would have liked this show a lot more. Iskandar.Just saying.... Hmmm...interesting point. Although Iskandar embraced it. He was happy about the fact that he was King of Conquerors, and was a great leader to his men. To me he's more of a "magnificent bastard" while Kayaba is a bit of a weasel who got away with mass murder. |
DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: Iskandar.Just saying.... That's not fair. Alexander was just boss in every way, you can't compare anybody to him, he is too awesome for such petty markers as "good", "just" or "selfish" to apply. B-But... He turned an Island into a peninsula because it was there. He is officially to awesome to compare people to. Kayaba is an AI-God.Lets see Rider defeating him in CoD or other war games he loves so much. |
| Hahahaha oh my god this episode was pure comedy gold.Haven't laughed so hard in a while... |
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MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: Iro-sama said: Am I the only one truly concerned about Kayaba Akihiko being portrayed so positive, almost as if he's a good character? I mean, sure thing he's way more likable and relaxed than Sugou, but just because he had a "cooler reason" for what he did and didn't act pathetic or psychotic doesn't make him much less of a criminal. In the end he killed around 4000 people and probably psychologically scared a few thousand more for life. I just think it's kinda wrong, no matter what year the novel had been written in.. (Also, thank GOD the novels didn't include that almost-rape scene, cuz I wuold've lost a hell lot of respect for the creator) All in all (being generally disappointed in this half of the show) it was a lame ending to a lame storyline. I really wished they'd stuck more to SAO even if it's not like that in the novel :( ALO really wasn't impressing at all.. I also had a problem with it. No, not every villain has to be totally evil, but Kirito talks about him in this episode like he was a great man. Really, he was a bad person, killing thousands of people for his own selfish purposes. The anime never really emphasizes how bad he actually is, and he never does anything good enough to atone for what he's done, and doesn't really experience any consequences either. If not for its treatment of Kayaba Akihiko, I would have liked this show a lot more. Iskandar.Just saying.... Hmmm...interesting point. Although Iskandar embraced it. He was happy about the fact that he was King of Conquerors, and was a great leader to his men. To me he's more of a "magnificent bastard" while Kayaba is a bit of a weasel who got away with mass murder. Kayaba was also happy with his dream,not to mention that now "he" has more than 1 mmo to travel in.And he was a great leader as well till the 75th floor. One is a tyrant that become a Hero after killing and selling thousands, the other died.AI Kayaba is just a program with his knowledge, no personality. And unlike Rider's Empire,Kayaba's work wasnt destroyed by his men or enemies. |
ssjokgDec 17, 2012 11:17 AM
DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: Iskandar.Just saying.... That's not fair. Alexander was just boss in every way, you can't compare anybody to him, he is too awesome for such petty markers as "good", "just" or "selfish" to apply. B-But... He turned an Island into a peninsula because it was there. He is officially to awesome to compare people to. Kayaba is an AI-God.Lets see Rider defeating him in CoD or other war games he loves so much. no no, Rider loves RTS not FPS. RTS is a whooooole different thing. AI or no, how do you defeat Alexander the Great, who made an Empire almost the size of the Roman Empire in only 10 years, in a game where you command armies. Kayaba can command the games mechanics.The game's type is irrelevant.Unless you are hax Kirito. |
DarthAbysius said: But Kayaba is dead dude.Even if Rider is summoned he wont have an opponent.What is he gonna do?Attack Seed servers?/retard mode offssjokg said: DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: DarthAbysius said: ssjokg said: Iskandar.Just saying.... That's not fair. Alexander was just boss in every way, you can't compare anybody to him, he is too awesome for such petty markers as "good", "just" or "selfish" to apply. B-But... He turned an Island into a peninsula because it was there. He is officially to awesome to compare people to. Kayaba is an AI-God.Lets see Rider defeating him in CoD or other war games he loves so much. no no, Rider loves RTS not FPS. RTS is a whooooole different thing. AI or no, how do you defeat Alexander the Great, who made an Empire almost the size of the Roman Empire in only 10 years, in a game where you command armies. Kayaba can command the games mechanics.The game's type is irrelevant.Unless you are hax Kirito. well If you want to go there...... he can kick Kayabas ass as many ways to sunday as he feels like outside the game world :D. |
ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: Iro-sama said: Am I the only one truly concerned about Kayaba Akihiko being portrayed so positive, almost as if he's a good character? I mean, sure thing he's way more likable and relaxed than Sugou, but just because he had a "cooler reason" for what he did and didn't act pathetic or psychotic doesn't make him much less of a criminal. In the end he killed around 4000 people and probably psychologically scared a few thousand more for life. I just think it's kinda wrong, no matter what year the novel had been written in.. (Also, thank GOD the novels didn't include that almost-rape scene, cuz I wuold've lost a hell lot of respect for the creator) All in all (being generally disappointed in this half of the show) it was a lame ending to a lame storyline. I really wished they'd stuck more to SAO even if it's not like that in the novel :( ALO really wasn't impressing at all.. I also had a problem with it. No, not every villain has to be totally evil, but Kirito talks about him in this episode like he was a great man. Really, he was a bad person, killing thousands of people for his own selfish purposes. The anime never really emphasizes how bad he actually is, and he never does anything good enough to atone for what he's done, and doesn't really experience any consequences either. If not for its treatment of Kayaba Akihiko, I would have liked this show a lot more. Iskandar.Just saying.... Hmmm...interesting point. Although Iskandar embraced it. He was happy about the fact that he was King of Conquerors, and was a great leader to his men. To me he's more of a "magnificent bastard" while Kayaba is a bit of a weasel who got away with mass murder. Kayaba was also happy with his dream,not to mention that now "he" has more than 1 mmo to travel in.And he was a great leader as well till the 75th floor. One is a tyrant that become a Hero after killing and selling thousands the other died.AI Kayaba is just a program with his knowledge, no personality. I feel that Fate/Zero doesn't necessarily portray Rider as a good person, more of a "great" person, as in one who leaves a mark on history by the sheer significance of their actions, good or bad. SAO portrays Kayaba kind of like this, but also like he's a good person. It seems like it wants you to sympathize with him, and I don't think he deserves it. |
MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: Iro-sama said: Am I the only one truly concerned about Kayaba Akihiko being portrayed so positive, almost as if he's a good character? I mean, sure thing he's way more likable and relaxed than Sugou, but just because he had a "cooler reason" for what he did and didn't act pathetic or psychotic doesn't make him much less of a criminal. In the end he killed around 4000 people and probably psychologically scared a few thousand more for life. I just think it's kinda wrong, no matter what year the novel had been written in.. (Also, thank GOD the novels didn't include that almost-rape scene, cuz I wuold've lost a hell lot of respect for the creator) All in all (being generally disappointed in this half of the show) it was a lame ending to a lame storyline. I really wished they'd stuck more to SAO even if it's not like that in the novel :( ALO really wasn't impressing at all.. I also had a problem with it. No, not every villain has to be totally evil, but Kirito talks about him in this episode like he was a great man. Really, he was a bad person, killing thousands of people for his own selfish purposes. The anime never really emphasizes how bad he actually is, and he never does anything good enough to atone for what he's done, and doesn't really experience any consequences either. If not for its treatment of Kayaba Akihiko, I would have liked this show a lot more. Iskandar.Just saying.... Hmmm...interesting point. Although Iskandar embraced it. He was happy about the fact that he was King of Conquerors, and was a great leader to his men. To me he's more of a "magnificent bastard" while Kayaba is a bit of a weasel who got away with mass murder. Kayaba was also happy with his dream,not to mention that now "he" has more than 1 mmo to travel in.And he was a great leader as well till the 75th floor. One is a tyrant that become a Hero after killing and selling thousands the other died.AI Kayaba is just a program with his knowledge, no personality. I feel that Fate/Zero doesn't necessarily portray Rider as a good person, more of a "great" person, as in one who leaves a mark on history by the sheer significance of their actions, good or bad. SAO portrays Kayaba kind of like this, but also like he's a good person. It seems like it wants you to sympathize with him, and I don't think he deserves it. A lot forget that he was a tyrant.I was there in the FZ forums I know it. If you mean that he is portrayed like a good person in this ep then you must realize that,as I said above,that this isnt Kayaba.Just an AI that follows his ideas,which are as far as we know, is creating more vr worlds.Giving the Seed to Kirito and hoping that he will use it was compensation for saving them. And if someone is stupid enough to sympathize AND forgive someone that killed thousands for his dream of "building a flying castle" then it isnt Reki's or A-1's fault. |
ssjokgDec 17, 2012 11:36 AM
ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: Iro-sama said: Am I the only one truly concerned about Kayaba Akihiko being portrayed so positive, almost as if he's a good character? I mean, sure thing he's way more likable and relaxed than Sugou, but just because he had a "cooler reason" for what he did and didn't act pathetic or psychotic doesn't make him much less of a criminal. In the end he killed around 4000 people and probably psychologically scared a few thousand more for life. I just think it's kinda wrong, no matter what year the novel had been written in.. (Also, thank GOD the novels didn't include that almost-rape scene, cuz I wuold've lost a hell lot of respect for the creator) All in all (being generally disappointed in this half of the show) it was a lame ending to a lame storyline. I really wished they'd stuck more to SAO even if it's not like that in the novel :( ALO really wasn't impressing at all.. I also had a problem with it. No, not every villain has to be totally evil, but Kirito talks about him in this episode like he was a great man. Really, he was a bad person, killing thousands of people for his own selfish purposes. The anime never really emphasizes how bad he actually is, and he never does anything good enough to atone for what he's done, and doesn't really experience any consequences either. If not for its treatment of Kayaba Akihiko, I would have liked this show a lot more. Iskandar.Just saying.... Hmmm...interesting point. Although Iskandar embraced it. He was happy about the fact that he was King of Conquerors, and was a great leader to his men. To me he's more of a "magnificent bastard" while Kayaba is a bit of a weasel who got away with mass murder. Kayaba was also happy with his dream,not to mention that now "he" has more than 1 mmo to travel in.And he was a great leader as well till the 75th floor. One is a tyrant that become a Hero after killing and selling thousands the other died.AI Kayaba is just a program with his knowledge, no personality. I feel that Fate/Zero doesn't necessarily portray Rider as a good person, more of a "great" person, as in one who leaves a mark on history by the sheer significance of their actions, good or bad. SAO portrays Kayaba kind of like this, but also like he's a good person. It seems like it wants you to sympathize with him, and I don't think he deserves it. A lot forget that he was a tyrant.I was there in the FZ forums I know it. If you mean that he is portrayed like a good person in this ep then you must realize that,as I said above,that this isnt Kayaba.Just an AI that follows his ideas,which are as far as we know, is creating more vr worlds. And if someone is stupid enough to sympathize AND forgive someone that killed thousands for his dream of "building a flying castle" then it isnt Reki's or A-1's fault. If the AI follows his idea and inherited his memories, they are essentially the same character, aren't they? If the show portrays the AI as a good person, does that say nothing about Kayaba Akihiko? |
PopkaDec 17, 2012 11:47 AM
MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: ssjokg said: MetaKlonoa said: Iro-sama said: Am I the only one truly concerned about Kayaba Akihiko being portrayed so positive, almost as if he's a good character? I mean, sure thing he's way more likable and relaxed than Sugou, but just because he had a "cooler reason" for what he did and didn't act pathetic or psychotic doesn't make him much less of a criminal. In the end he killed around 4000 people and probably psychologically scared a few thousand more for life. I just think it's kinda wrong, no matter what year the novel had been written in.. (Also, thank GOD the novels didn't include that almost-rape scene, cuz I wuold've lost a hell lot of respect for the creator) All in all (being generally disappointed in this half of the show) it was a lame ending to a lame storyline. I really wished they'd stuck more to SAO even if it's not like that in the novel :( ALO really wasn't impressing at all.. I also had a problem with it. No, not every villain has to be totally evil, but Kirito talks about him in this episode like he was a great man. Really, he was a bad person, killing thousands of people for his own selfish purposes. The anime never really emphasizes how bad he actually is, and he never does anything good enough to atone for what he's done, and doesn't really experience any consequences either. If not for its treatment of Kayaba Akihiko, I would have liked this show a lot more. Iskandar.Just saying.... Hmmm...interesting point. Although Iskandar embraced it. He was happy about the fact that he was King of Conquerors, and was a great leader to his men. To me he's more of a "magnificent bastard" while Kayaba is a bit of a weasel who got away with mass murder. Kayaba was also happy with his dream,not to mention that now "he" has more than 1 mmo to travel in.And he was a great leader as well till the 75th floor. One is a tyrant that become a Hero after killing and selling thousands the other died.AI Kayaba is just a program with his knowledge, no personality. I feel that Fate/Zero doesn't necessarily portray Rider as a good person, more of a "great" person, as in one who leaves a mark on history by the sheer significance of their actions, good or bad. SAO portrays Kayaba kind of like this, but also like he's a good person. It seems like it wants you to sympathize with him, and I don't think he deserves it. A lot forget that he was a tyrant.I was there in the FZ forums I know it. If you mean that he is portrayed like a good person in this ep then you must realize that,as I said above,that this isnt Kayaba.Just an AI that follows his ideas,which are as far as we know, is creating more vr worlds. And if someone is stupid enough to sympathize AND forgive someone that killed thousands for his dream of "building a flying castle" then it isnt Reki's or A-1's fault. If the AI follows his idea and inherited his memories, they are essentially the same character, aren't they? If the show portrays the AI as a good person, does that say nothing about Kayaba Akihiko? The leftovers of someone isnt the real person.Kayaba wont act on new ideas again or be surprised by something.And someone who saves others for a price is far from good.His ideas/desire,can be conveniently realised by saving Kirito. |
whatever123456 said: "Good person" is too vague. The show never claims that killing thousands of innocents was something justified or good and Kirito didn't forgive him, something Kayaba also knows. He helped Kirito for his own selfish reasons. ^this Kirito even clearly says that he would never want to be someone like that(Kayaba). |
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| Yes, I suppose that's right. |
| BEST ANIME FOR THE 2012!!!! Sent with Mal Updater |
MetaKlonoa said: Yes, I suppose that's right. If Kirito didnt used it(without messing with it) then no one would.Sugou of course is out of question since he would refuse to have Kayaba above him again since |
Marhuto said: BEST ANIME FOR THE 2012!!!!  |
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This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? |
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ihateeveryone said: It better be.This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? |
whatever123456 said: ihateeveryone said: This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? God forbid people have different opinions than mine. Fixed. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
ssjokg said: ihateeveryone said: It better be.This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? I'm sure it isn't. |
Paul said: ssjokg said: ihateeveryone said: It better be.This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? I'm sure it isn't. That's right ssjokg, assault him, go, assault him! |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: Paul said: ssjokg said: ihateeveryone said: It better be.This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? I'm sure it isn't. That's right ssjokg, assault him, go, assault him! I am sure I can do a lot from behind my monitor |
ssjokg said: Immahnoob said: Paul said: ssjokg said: ihateeveryone said: It better be.This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? I'm sure it isn't. That's right ssjokg, assault him, go, assault him! I am sure I can do a lot behind my monitor What? You weren't serious? I would have never guessed... |
ImmahnoobDec 17, 2012 1:32 PM
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
EstelleBright said: Marhuto said: BEST ANIME FOR THE 2012!!!! ihateeveryone said: This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? ssjokg said: ihateeveryone said: It better be.This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? HEY! HEY! HEY! HEY!!!! Have you ever heard of freedom of speech? This is my opinion... u have a better anime... then name it and let me check it out! |
Marhuto said: it's a called Sarcasm.ssjokg said: ihateeveryone said: It better be.This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? HEY! HEY! HEY! HEY!!!! Have you ever heard of freedom of speech? This is my opinion... u have a better anime... then name it and let me check it out! Yes I can name some but it doesnt mean that you will like them more than SAO.Just look at my 10 and 9 of this year.No need for 8 and 7. |
| Blind fanboy alert, watch out guys. |
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Immahnoob said: I would have never guessed... I cant remember Madoka...Well I was able to see your sarcasm in another SAO thread(or was it this one.Kinda hard to remember since every SAO thread ends up the same.) And I am pretty sure that you are one of the users in MAL that cant be forgotten. |
| Idk if its the best, but Im gonna put it up there with fate zero so far |
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| ^Best be hiding after posting that. |
animetyphoon88 said: Idk if its the best, but Im gonna put it up there with fate zero so far INCOMING FLAME WAR  INCOMING FLAME WAR |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: Oh I am so saving this gif in case it gets deleted along with several of these postsanimetyphoon88 said: Idk if its the best, but Im gonna put it up there with fate zero so far INCOMING FLAME WAR INCOMING FLAME WAR |
 This one is nice too, if you want it. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Well Mal surely has turned out to be a great place to find nice gifs |
animetyphoon88 said: Idk if its the best, but Im gonna put it up there with fate zero so far Well played. Well played. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
JavierR said: animetyphoon88 said: Idk if its the best, but Im gonna put it up there with fate zero so far fuck you inb4 ban or delete |
ihateeveryone said: This is a joke right? Right? RIGHT? I don't know, usually a joke makes me laugh instead of facepalm. |
| Fuck that perv. jeez. I'm wondering, since he put the damage thingy to 0, and the mean dude said that at about 3 it would affect the real body... Is he dead IRL too? o_o |
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