Bleach Chapter 537 Discussion

j0x said:


nah not exactly in Yu Yu Hakusho the reason Raizen calls Yusuke his son is because he is the ancestral grandfather of Yusuke, but its good to see that my little assumption about Juha Bach is correct

j0x said:


that reminds me if Ichigo rebels against Juha Bach's call of blood then he might die instantly by Juha Bach's using the Holy Selection again

or maybe Juha Bach cannot use Holy Selection on pure quincies or their is a huge time cooldown for that skill

kizu-kun said:
Waaaay back when Uryuu first appeared Urahara told rukia the quincies started off as a clan of spiritually aware humans called magic hunters that invented techniques to defend against hollows.... now there saying Juhabach created quincies clan using his blood. I wonder if Kubo is going to incorporate the story Urahara told in Juhabachs backstory or is he just going to ignore it and go with this new stuff. The old explanation made a lot more sense in my opinion.

2cool4fun said:
and also this chapter almost confirms that Ichigo is PURE blooded Quincy

Jouten said:
THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Holy crap finally finding out the truth! It's a bit like Yu Yu Hakusho with one guy's blood flowing through all Quincies. Also...why did Uryuu join that jackass?

madkat9 said:
"In order to achieve full power, Juhabach hand picked 'What he deemed as' impure quincies and took their powers for his own.

DestinyFate said:


But common sense says that to be pure blooded you need to have both parents to be pure, which obviously Isshin and Katagiri are not.

Those points you mentioned are plot holes that could be addressed later on in the story, for example maybe Ichigo learned blut because his mother was pure blooded and he inherited the ability.

iLostReason said:
Why do i have a feeling that Ishida might die.

Barion-Zara said:
its confirmed that Juha Bach is the father of every Quincy like Ichigo and Ishida nyahaha

-Shuda- said:
Finally, we get some answers.

- Bach is the main ancestor/king of all Quincy

- After his encounter with Yamamoto it took 900 years for Bach to regain his life, 90 years to regain his motive, and 9 years to regain his power (what, will it now take 9 months for him to get destroyed? lol)

- The Holy selection was 'responsible' for the deaths of Masaki and Katagiri (Ishida's confirmed mother)

- Ishida Uryuu is going Ichimaru Gin for this arc

- Ichigo is fired up

Now, I've never been this pumped up for an arc in a LONG while. I can't wait to see all the characters, old and new, gather in one place. Let it begin!

5/5

Monad said:


You where one with the ridiculous theories of Bach being his actual father and you insisted when i and others told you that thinking Isshin is not his father is bullshit.
Now you come and say that your theories where correct. Don't make me laugh dude.

its also possible that the relationship of Juha Bach and Ichigo is thesame as Yusuke and Raizen (Yu Yu Hakusho) that they are not directly father and son but Ancestral Grandson hence why Raizen calls Yusuke his son too, but one thing is for sure to me that Juha Bach and Ichigo are blood related

source: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=570427&show=60#msg21212497

Monad said:

Ichigo is probably an anomaly he can't control. That's why he was one of the special cases in Bach little notebook.

AnimePoop said:
I'm surprised. When his betrayal was shown, I speculated everyone would just assume that he's doing it for Ichigo's sake.
He doesn't really seem like the type of guy to betray Ichigo, and even if he does, it'll end with Ichigo saving him. Doubt they'd even have much of a fight.

ElementSponge said:
Finally the big revelation! No more talking about Juha Bach being Ichigos real father! But I seriously hope no one's going to take the last page seriously like they did when Juha Bach basically said the same thing to Ichigo.

j0x said:


but Juha Bach is still technically the father of all Quincies given this chapters revelations, the Quincies do not follow the normal biology of bloodlines so in Juha Bach's perspective he see every Quincy as his child, as funny as that sounds its still a fact

j0x said:


but Juha Bach is still technically the father of all Quincies given this chapters revelations, the Quincies do not follow the normal biology of bloodlines so in Juha Bach's perspective he see every Quincy as his child, as funny as that sounds its still a fact

Dr_Smurph said:

My point is we shouldn't confirm things till they are actually confirmed. Same with your pure blood theory.

j0x said:


thats why i said almost confirmed and i never said my speculations are facts

its just this chapter said that Blut is a skill of pure blooded quincies which Ichigo used when he fight against Juha Bach (but mixed blooded quincies can get that skill too through training although Ichigo never did undergo quincy training until now, i guess Ichigo will undergo quincy training in the near future)

and no im not the only person that comes up with this speculations either

Dr_Smurph said:

Sure you're not the only one who made those claims, just one that was very strongly discussing it a lot.

j0x said:


i guess thats my mistake then, people thinks im pushing speculations as facts ah well i will not bother replying since some people rage just by me discussing speculations

Archnemesis said:

you: ok maybe its 2, but it could still be 3. No, no, its 3.

i know about genes or DNA or heredity but in Quincies case the Juha Bach heredity is abnormal (its not normal at all) for example they are affected by the Holy Selection power of Juha Bach

Archnemesis said:
Its been shown that ichigo rarely needs formal training to learn techniques. He usually gets the grasp of it while fighting. He saw Blut Vene being used, and in the moment he needed it, his innate quincy powers instinctively brought it forth. Visualising it was his training. The same way urahara figured out the Bullet shot yammy used after being fired 3 times.

zone00 said:
It seems like the translation everyone was reading was a little off. Juha-bach chose to take powers from quincy's he deemed unworthy. The reason why he took Ishida's mom powers was because judged her unworthy it just happened that she a was half-quincy, although many half-quincy make good candidates. Ichigo's mom is a full blooded quincy, but the reason she was chosen is because of the hollowfication that weakened her powers. She died because Ichigo's dad was unaware Juha-douchebag took her powers away when she was fighting grand fisher. Finally I am assuming Juha did not choose to take Ichigo or Ishida power away because he sensed a great potential in them. Another potential assumption is that on that day when Juha chose he ignored any children since he is not a total douchebag, but this is highly unlikely.

j0x said:


the fact that he survive the HOLY SELECTION of Juha Bach and that includes Ishida

Dr_Smurph said:


Would it be worth taking power from children? I assume they were left alone because he couldn't get any real power from them anyway till they developed.