Guimi Zhi Zhu: Xiaochou Pian Episode 4 Discussion

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Ok so everyone is praising this episode but this is the first ep where I had simply just no idea what's happening, What are Klein's abilities, what can he do with them, what was he trying to do with gray fog, who was the bad guy, I'm simply and utterly confused, I mean I'm gonna read the novel but I believe an anime should stand on its own rather than requiring us to do homework

Jul 12, 10:41 AM

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Not going to lie, I came for the Lovecraftian Horror/Dark Fantasy but the humor is pretty good too. LOL

Jul 12, 10:51 AM

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is it there any hope for Japanese dub or just give up

Jul 12, 10:58 AM

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Absolute cinema.

Jul 12, 11:14 AM

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Ok so everyone is praising this episode but this is the first ep where I had simply just no idea what's happening, What are Klein's abilities, what can he do with them, what was he trying to do with gray fog, who was the bad guy, I'm simply and utterly confused, I mean I'm gonna read the novel but I believe an anime should stand on its own rather than requiring us to do homework

@Mathi786 even if you read the novel first you wouldn't have any idea what the fuck is going on in first 70 chapters.

I am talking with experience

Jul 12, 11:15 AM

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is it there any hope for Japanese dub or just give up

@Aymen_Mounazzah tencent has confirmed that 7 other languages dub will be released. But we don't know when

Jul 12, 11:30 AM

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Ok so everyone is praising this episode but this is the first ep where I had simply just no idea what's happening, What are Klein's abilities, what can he do with them, what was he trying to do with gray fog, who was the bad guy, I'm simply and utterly confused, I mean I'm gonna read the novel but I believe an anime should stand on its own rather than requiring us to do homework

@Mathi786 I can't comment on the nuance of Klein's powers but there's an organization trying to use the notebook. The Mirror guy who is a low-tier, used Klein and that other family as 'test subjects' in a sense but it all went wrong now he's in big trouble since Klein is a huge loose end that needs to be tied up. This was all explained in the first few minutes. Story-wise, I'd say this is the most focused and straightforward episode.

Jul 12, 12:03 PM

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it was great. The animation is pretty amazing as well as the story. The action sequence and magic spell is quiet good. Finaly some, sister bother bond development

Jul 12, 12:08 PM

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Sahilnoor said:
@Aymen_Mounazzah tencent has confirmed that 7 other languages dub will be released. But we don't know when

thank you for your consideration

Jul 12, 12:53 PM

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Klein learning to be a good momma boy lmao

Jul 12, 2:59 PM

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Those who haven't read the web novel, do not worry. The story is confusing for everyone at first. It'll take time to connect all the dots.

Jul 12, 3:09 PM

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I'm anime-only but I can get overall idea what's going on.
But still occassionaly feeling overwhelmed with "wth is even happening".
The pacing this episode was surely better!
And the animation... is top tier... those backgrounds, man.

What I'm confused is what exactly Sailor guy and Princess chanting did. Okay, Princess chanted in perfect time and saved Klein, but then again, what about a little earlier when Algar chanted? Seems like no effect at all? (And did they have good dreams? lol). So I'm not really sure what happenend and how it worked... and if Klein even intentionally chose 3-liners to praise himself to imitate chants used to ask God's for power or what? He just thought it sounds cool so why not? And. The dog. Spectator Dog. That was lol. Especially Klein and Algar's faces when they heard her question.

Well, I cannot wait for next one! (and I will surely read novel)

Jul 12, 3:17 PM

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best episode at the moment

Jul 12, 4:20 PM

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Nanami said:
I'm anime-only but I can get overall idea what's going on.
But still occassionaly feeling overwhelmed with "wth is even happening".
The pacing this episode was surely better!
And the animation... is top tier... those backgrounds, man.

What I'm confused is what exactly Sailor guy and Princess chanting did. Okay, Princess chanted in perfect time and saved Klein, but then again, what about a little earlier when Algar chanted? Seems like no effect at all? (And did they have good dreams? lol). So I'm not really sure what happenend and how it worked... and if Klein even intentionally chose 3-liners to praise himself to imitate chants used to ask God's for power or what? He just thought it sounds cool so why not? And. The dog. Spectator Dog. That was lol. Especially Klein and Algar's faces when they heard her question.

Well, I cannot wait for next one! (and I will surely read novel)

i will answer your question.
1. so as Klein said in episode, he is trying to use gray fog power to return home , but he has no current solution to use it. then on remembering , how old neil used ritual as a medium to borrow the power of evernight goddess. so he thought why not do this experiment with gray fog . but the problem was that even that may not make a connection between him and fog because of the incantation he has already learned. so he took that incantation as a foundation to make a incantation which can point towards him via gray fog.

2. now how did he come up with that incantation.
_the fool who doesn't belong to this era -- it fit him perfectly as he is fool and he is also truly not from this era or world.
_ the mysterious ruler above gray fog-- which is also self explanatory. now Klein thought even though it's unique it may also point towards the mysterious entity in gray fog. that's why he goes something unique about third line.

_ so basically yellow and black in Chinese myth is equivalent to heaven and earth. and he did luck enchantment ritual before coming to this world.
so to make it complete unique he goes with yellow and black from ritual incantation and good luck as a result of luck enchantment ritual.

3. how did Audrey prayer helped him . it's very simple actually. now , although Klein has his own incantation. at the end of the day he is still a seq 9. so there is no way he could listen the prayer directly. so the prayer actually make a connection with gray fog where Klein is a ruler. then gray fog go step further and make a connection with Klein to deliver the prayer . and now when Audrey prayer , her prayer automatically made a connection with fog and Klein in rea world which ultimately helped him.

you can ask other things if you still didn't understood

Jul 12, 5:00 PM

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peak cinema, also wtf is that thing

Jul 12, 5:01 PM

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We haven't passed the half-way mark and am already regretting we'll have only 13 episodes of this show. Truly a wonderful and rich world told in a bit of a enigmatic way but told well none the less. There wasn't a pointless and dull moment to be found anywhere. Pacing is kind of still a bit speedy but much better than first three episodes.

Jul 12, 5:03 PM

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It's been exactly 4 episodes and I don't understand anything, but the anime is really cool, the aesthetics are perfect and the story captivates me more and more

hello, just a brazilian boy who likes anime

Jul 12, 5:17 PM

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Everything about this episode was amazing. From the visuals, to the impeccable dialogue, to the character interactions, it was extremely engaging. I need to read the web novel some day..

Jul 12, 5:27 PM

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Everything seems to be heading towards a gnosis of Demiurge, Helena Blavatsky and hermeticism

Jul 12, 5:33 PM

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Nice to have a bit of a slower episode. Loved having a bit more time with Old Neil, and interesting to be back with the Tarot club. It’s a cool choice to not let us be totally in Klein’s head in those moments to we can feel the weight of Mr. Fool’s presence in a similar manner to Audrey and Alger.

Jul 12, 6:29 PM

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I'd say it was fortunate Klein was there to foil the trap, but it was a trap set for him in the first place. However luck was on his side and Audrey's timely ritual gives him the boost to overcome the possessing spirit and save Melissa and her friends. Though how the party guests didn't hear him discharging his revolver (twice!) will remain a mystery it appears.
Speaking of luck, Audrey is lucky the potion only made Susie (her dog) more intelligent and capable of speech instead of killing her her or turning her into a monster.
From what I remember this episode is further than what I read on WebNovel before running into monetary roadblocks and giving up so the rest of the story will be a mystery to me.

Jul 12, 7:00 PM

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pixelante said:
I'd say it was fortunate Klein was there to foil the trap, but it was a trap set for him in the first place. However luck was on his side and Audrey's timely ritual gives him the boost to overcome the possessing spirit and save Melissa and her friends. Though how the party guests didn't hear him discharging his revolver (twice!) will remain a mystery it appears.
Speaking of luck, Audrey is lucky the potion only made Susie (her dog) more intelligent and capable of speech instead of killing her her or turning her into a monster.
From what I remember this episode is further than what I read on WebNovel before running into monetary roadblocks and giving up so the rest of the story will be a mystery to me.

revolver thing is not a mystery. it's very simple actually. to start the ritual one need wall of spirituality to not to distrub from outer interference. and this wall basically block all sound and other things from outside to inside and vice versa . now I hope it helps

Jul 12, 7:20 PM

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This show seems to swing between dumping exposition and not explaining anything at all. The fight between Klein and Vincent had marvellous animation, but since we never established any rules and restrictions, there was no weight behind any of the action. Compared to the wonderfully choreographed fight in the previous episode, this was a step down. Still, entertaining view.

Jul 12, 7:30 PM

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this episode define the peak

Jul 12, 7:41 PM

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Avarion said:
This show seems to swing between dumping exposition and not explaining anything at all. The fight between Klein and Vincent had marvellous animation, but since we never established any rules and restrictions, there was no weight behind any of the action. Compared to the wonderfully choreographed fight in the previous episode, this was a step down. Still, entertaining view.

it did though. yeah, you may not have understood it. but it told everything

Jul 12, 9:08 PM

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I realized some anime-only viewers might miss certain cultural references or symbolic cues in this episode, so I’ll break a few of them down here — spoiler-free.

One standout detail is the use of yellow and black, which is a direct reference to Chinese cosmology. In traditional Chinese symbolism, yellow represents Heaven (天) and black represents Earth (地).

Now, this ties into Klein’s perspective. He believes he’s the only person isekai’d from our world and that the mysterious gray fog and his luck ritual are unique to him . So far, Klein only knows two rituals: the luck enhancement ritual, and the Evernight Goddess ritual he learned from Old Neil.

Here’s where things get tricky: Klein doesn’t understand the origin or true nature of the entity behind the luck ritual. So he chose to study the Evernight-style ritual and adapt it for himself. However, he didn’t know that rituals tied to actual deities follow a specific, sacred format, different from generic mystical rites. If a regular Beyonder tries to use a god’s ritual for themselves, it can lead to corruption or worse.

So when Audrey and Alger see Mr. Fool using such a divine ritual without being corrupted, it’s a major red flag or rather, a divine sign. That’s why they both come to the same conclusion: he must be a god.

Wait didn’t old neil do the ritual or did he do an ordinary type ritua. Idk can u tell me?

@Godvichu12 No. Rituals that involve using the power of a god are divine rituals. I don’t wanna spoil but you will encounter rituals that are not directed at gods later on and you shall see the difference

Jul 12, 11:01 PM

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pixelante said:
I'd say it was fortunate Klein was there to foil the trap, but it was a trap set for him in the first place. However luck was on his side and Audrey's timely ritual gives him the boost to overcome the possessing spirit and save Melissa and her friends. Though how the party guests didn't hear him discharging his revolver (twice!) will remain a mystery it appears.
Speaking of luck, Audrey is lucky the potion only made Susie (her dog) more intelligent and capable of speech instead of killing her her or turning her into a monster.
From what I remember this episode is further than what I read on WebNovel before running into monetary roadblocks and giving up so the rest of the story will be a mystery to me.

revolver thing is not a mystery. it's very simple actually. to start the ritual one need wall of spirituality to not to distrub from outer interference. and this wall basically block all sound and other things from outside to inside and vice versa . now I hope it helps

@supremeone55 curiosity satisfied! Either Mr.Neil didn't mention that or I missed that part of ritual they performed.

Jul 13, 12:55 AM

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I had to pause a few times during this episode to read the displayed text and I'm glad I did. Seems like for a series like this, with such a complex lore and world system, I will be doing this more often.

Very great episode! Klein is getting the hang of this world. Seems like next episode we'll be switching characters from Klein to Miss Justice.

Jul 13, 1:31 AM

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We haven't passed the half-way mark and am already regretting we'll have only 13 episodes of this show. Truly a wonderful and rich world told in a bit of a enigmatic way but told well none the less. There wasn't a pointless and dull moment to be found anywhere. Pacing is kind of still a bit speedy but much better than first three episodes.

@MeanEYE we will have 15 episodes for season 1. 13 episodes + 2 special episodes.

If you are a witcher fan then you will absolutely love one of the special episode.

Jul 13, 3:02 AM

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Nice episode I love the fight scene they do it really well the music the animation this is for me one of the best anime this year for sure

Jul 13, 6:55 AM

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@Mathi786 I can't comment on the nuance of Klein's powers but there's an organization trying to use the notebook. The Mirror guy who is a low-tier, used Klein and that other family as 'test subjects' in a sense but it all went wrong now he's in big trouble since Klein is a huge loose end that needs to be tied up. This was all explained in the first few minutes. Story-wise, I'd say this is the most focused and straightforward episode.

Ash_li said:
The Mirror guy who is a low-tier, used Klein and that other family as 'test subjects' in a sense but it all went wrong now he's in big trouble since Klein is a huge loose end that needs to be tied up. This was all explained in the first few minutes. Story-wise, I'd say this is the most focused and straightforward episode.

You see I understand all that, it was very simple, I mean a bad guy trying to get the good guy, there can't be anything simpler than that. what I'm asking the method he used, what is that, what can be done through magic and what can't? the limitations and powers of the abilities. what's the working principal behind the incantation, I felt like they can do whatever they want and we don't have to care about it, especially him using gray fog's power in the real world, I feel like there are no building blocks to the huge building. I need to know how power system works so I know what he's doing

Jul 13, 6:58 AM

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@Mathi786 even if you read the novel first you wouldn't have any idea what the fuck is going on in first 70 chapters.

I am talking with experience

@Sahilnoor I started the novel, I think these fights happened way later in the novel that are happening right now in the anime. I think novel most likely did explained the power system properly bcz otherwise they can do whatever the want we have no idea what's possible and what's not, I'm just frustrated at the power system other than that I'm fine with mystery aspect of it

Jul 13, 7:03 AM

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@Sahilnoor I started the novel, I think these fights happened way later in the novel that are happening right now in the anime. I think novel most likely did explained the power system properly bcz otherwise they can do whatever the want we have no idea what's possible and what's not, I'm just frustrated at the power system other than that I'm fine with mystery aspect of it

first tell me what exactly did you not understand about power system and ritual.magic

Jul 13, 7:10 AM

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@Sahilnoor I started the novel, I think these fights happened way later in the novel that are happening right now in the anime. I think novel most likely did explained the power system properly bcz otherwise they can do whatever the want we have no idea what's possible and what's not, I'm just frustrated at the power system other than that I'm fine with mystery aspect of it

first tell me what exactly did you not understand about power system and ritual.magic

@supremeone55 everything, but don't spoil anything plz. So first of all I don't know what can seer do, like what is his actual powers and their limits, is it surveillance like his eyes keep going dark and he keeps seeing auras? or is it throwing cards or something, they should explain it better, and the gray fog in mix, I get it something special for the MC but now he can even use it in the real world, I'm fine with that too but how can he do that, he made some incantation out of thin air and told them to Audrey and the other guy and now he can use gray fog, I mean tomorrow they will say he can also access the earth where he came from, there is no explanation of anything, and same goes for the other side, he's just possessing someone and using his blood for a boost, what principal is behind that, like you can use chakra manipulate things, or ki to shoot blasts, what are they using to do this stuff and what are the limitations of this usage

Jul 13, 7:16 AM

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@supremeone55 everything, but don't spoil anything plz. So first of all I don't know what can seer do, like what is his actual powers and their limits, is it surveillance like his eyes keep going dark and he keeps seeing auras? or is it throwing cards or something, they should explain it better, and the gray fog in mix, I get it something special for the MC but now he can even use it in the real world, I'm fine with that too but how can he do that, he made some incantation out of thin air and told them to Audrey and the other guy and now he can use gray fog, I mean tomorrow they will say he can also access the earth where he came from, there is no explanation of anything, and same goes for the other side, he's just possessing someone and using his blood for a boost, what principal is behind that, like you can use chakra manipulate things, or ki to shoot blasts, what are they using to do this stuff and what are the limitations of this usage

what can a seer do , answer is divination. and how can he do that , answer is knowledge came with potion.

what is divination, answer is fortune telling, divining about any particular thing .is it good is it bad is it dangerous is it safe.so all that stuff.

2. is spirit vision seer pathway power , anwer is no . it's a common thing for every beyonder . any one can use it with spirituality. but Klein is a seer who focuses on mysticism aspect so he has more spirituality than other , that's the reason his spirit vision being better.

next answers in next message. i won't quote . so wait two minutes

Jul 13, 7:19 AM

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what is limit of seer ability, answer is the person who is being divined, if he is powerful he is safe , if he has some other means it can also help.

Jul 13, 7:19 AM

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his eyes goes dark when he open his spiritual vision

Jul 13, 7:28 AM

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now fog stuff, no he can't use fog power without limit , this time it helped because justice did at right time.

now, incantation has also a meaning,
first line the fool who doesn't belong to this era is directly represented him who is not from this era/world.

second line , mysterious ruler above grey fog, who do you think is it. of course it's Klein

third line is simply from luck enchantment ritual, in Chinese mythology yellow is described as earth and black as heaven and he did that ritual for good luck. so that incantation.

now why he did that. because he got the idea from old neil ritual magic. he thought why don't i try it . .ut we also learned that three para incantation can only be for being equal to god. but Klein doesn't have that power. but guess who does , of course it's gray fog, guess who justice and hanged man is connected to , of course gray fog. so what gray fog did was it itself became a kind of middleman it took their prayer and made a connection with Klein and thats how he could use gray fog power.

it is not op as you think , this time it helped because justice coincidentally prayed at that time.

Jul 13, 7:32 AM

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now last what is other guy doing. it's also simple he is also conducting a ritual for his god. but his god is a evil god , not like Klein orthodox god. orthodox god only require some material and if they are in mood they will help you. but it's not same for evil god. to borrow evil good Power you need sacrifice and that's what he was doing. he was sacrificing his arm or blood to gain power.

90 percent of these things are actually told in episode, you just need to think. and for remaining 10 percent you need to come with what could be logical.

I hope you read this and tell me if you understood or there is still something you didn't understood

Jul 13, 7:55 AM

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now last what is other guy doing. it's also simple he is also conducting a ritual for his god. but his god is a evil god , not like Klein orthodox god. orthodox god only require some material and if they are in mood they will help you. but it's not same for evil god. to borrow evil good Power you need sacrifice and that's what he was doing. he was sacrificing his arm or blood to gain power.

90 percent of these things are actually told in episode, you just need to think. and for remaining 10 percent you need to come with what could be logical.

I hope you read this and tell me if you understood or there is still something you didn't understood

@supremeone55 I read all msgs, I understood most of it, so the first question is, how can Klein use that card throwing attack, if seers can only do what you said basically surveillance, 2nd is incantation, I mean what even is it other than poetry, can anybody do it? how do you know which wording to use, like in harry Potter there are spells to use magic, but he just came up with the incantation. why can't he just keep coming up with more of those,

Jul 13, 7:59 AM

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@supremeone55 I read all msgs, I understood most of it, so the first question is, how can Klein use that card throwing attack, if seers can only do what you said basically surveillance, 2nd is incantation, I mean what even is it other than poetry, can anybody do it? how do you know which wording to use, like in harry Potter there are spells to use magic, but he just came up with the incantation. why can't he just keep coming up with more of those,

@Mathi786 that card is the artifact given by dunn smith on episode 3 just before they fight the monster

Jul 13, 8:25 AM

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@Mathi786 that card is the artifact given by dunn smith on episode 3 just before they fight the monster

@Sahilnoor Ok, I think I have to rewatch this whole thing to understand what's happening and why, Maybe multiple times, but you didn't told me how does incantation work? do you just put some meaningful phrases together and then you can do anything you want? cz it seems very random to me

Jul 13, 8:29 AM

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