[Oshi No Ko]
| I could nitpick all day if I wanted to, but I don't feel quite that strongly on the negative side. Instead, I'll just say my two main issues from that first episode: The dialogue and monologues throughout the episode were aggressively unsubtle at every turn. It's abundantly clear that this show has a message of "idols bad, entertainment industry bad" and it wants to beat you over the head with it at every possible moment. And that kind of takes away from the characters at times, as they sporadically turn into mouthpieces for the show's messaging and say things that don't especially feel in character for them to say (particularly Ai, I felt). My other big issue was the suspension of disbelief with the babies. Apparently, Ruby would get up at night yelling at toxic fans on Twitter, but no one heard it? Then, they keep on talking like adults in both Ai's and the manager's wife's presence and no one bats an eye until the big "divine punishment" scene (an angle they only go for cos it's obvious to them how weird it would be for one-year olds to talk and act like full-grown adults). And then, after that "divine punishment" scene, seemingly without much if any time passing at all, they're suddenly having normal adult conversations with the manager's wife and no one bats an eyelid at all? It's just treated as normal. Then, like two scenes later they're worrying again about having to act like babies and not give away that they are adults in babies' bodies. Either it matters or it doesn't and that particular part of the episode just can't make it's mind up and completely breaks my suspension of disbelief in the process. Oh, one other thing: the two-minute scene discussing the ethics of breastfeeding as adults in baby bodies was awful. It was terrible in Mushoku Tensei and terrible here, and I sorely hope to never see that sort of "gag" used ever again. |
| it’s predictable and massively overhyped, however i’m fairly entertained and the animation is gorgeous so it stays on my active watchlist |
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| Most of it makes little sense and everything good about episode 1 was ruined near the end and in the next episode it just got worse. |
| i mean i have liked the series, it has been a good read for me. I have it in my favs cuz i like drama. The things that i didnt like are from the manga: |
| Best girl is dead, and 100% of my love for the series is gone with her. |
| I'll be reasonable. The earliest we'll being seeing Ai again in a non-flashback is towards the end. It will deserve warranted hate if it undermines her symbolic natural sacrifice since I don't think she's completely dead. |
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Ironwarrer said: You know the things I can't stand about Oshi no Ko, and that bothers me greatly: -The police system of that world... you know it's a real lazy, the police and detectives of that world, I mean, a 21-year-old girl was murdered in her apartment in the presence of her two young children, the causal? she was an idol that no one had a single piece of information about where she lived... but from one day to the next, a crazy fan comes to that place, stabs her and dies in the process. Conclusion of the police and detectives of the case: "a crazy fan got the idol's address and went to kill her for X reason... okay". End of the case. Arre you seriously nigga? are you talking seriously? I mean, the reason exists for his actions but how the hell did the guy find out the address of the idol? how did he know he had twins? Did he get there alone to find out? WTF, the guy doesn't even meet the pattern of being a guy who does a lot of research or has great detective skills!I mean, what the heck like all the causes that moved the subject to kill her, it's logical that there was a third perpetrator here behind this murder, but the police ruled it out. But what more inept and inefficient bastards to do their police work. You wouldn't like our world police system too, if that's your stake. |
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Sadly, no. But I see your point about his death, it just sound silly. How's it possible NOBODY did found his body after 15 years?! |
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sanbyakuyen said: Male protagonist at this point is what... 45/50 years old maybe? I mean, he retained his memory and supposedly his personality (big inconsistencies here actually). So he was a doctor, not just a general doctor, but a doctor with a specialty in gynecology, so he was at least 30, maybe even 35. He reincarnated and has lived another 15 years. So he is no less than 45 yo, mentally, and yet now in the second episode he thinks and behave like he is basically a 15 yo. How the f*** this works in the author mind?! Where the gynecologist went?! Where is the adult personality who already saw many people die in the hospital?! This feels insulting. Definitely dropping this. Gynecologist don't actually see many people dying. Yes it can happen that a woman dies while giving birth, and some newborns don't make it, but taking that: 1. It was a little hospital in the middle of nowhere where there weren't probably many young mothers 2. He wasn't the only gynecologist there He probably didn't see so many people die. Plus, if a woman dies in the hand of as gynecologist, it means serious shit. Many can even get fired because of that, since responsibility is often on their shoulders alone (and we could talk all day on why that's wrong, but this is not the place). Ai died because she was brutally assassinated by a creep, not because she was in a hospital waiting for her death. There's a difference between seeing someone dying in a hospital and someone being killed in his own home because someone wanted that person dead. And again, when Ai died he basically saw his new mother dying. His fricking mother, not just a casual idol. I think it would've shocked anyone, doesn't matter if 15 or 50 years old, honestly. Don't see your point here, sorry bud. |
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| I don't like the director's mom, the way Aquamarine talks about Ai is...concerning, to say the least. (I mean come on, Ruby at least has the excuse of not understanding social cues due to being isolated and dying at TWELVE.) I don't mind Ai dying too much, I think that they can pull it off. It all remains to be seen. And in terms of Aqua...look, as a Death Note fan I don't mind Light Yagami too much, so my opinion in going to be inherently different from most of the others in this post. And I can get why he seems to be a bit too much. I mean come on, if this was Ruby being the edgy one I could understand it, but this is like, a 30 year old man. He is a doctor. He's seen people die before. Yes, it should still affect him, and I'm not saying he shouldn't care about what happened at all (having your mother's blood in your hair as you sob on top of her corpse is an inherently fucked up experience), but having it affect him to the point of that...yeah. |
K-Pop? Bias? Nah man, we only know Ai and Ruby Hoshino in this house. |
| What I dislike the most is nonsensical hype threads where people either create separate threads for simple comments or look for loopholes to start another way to complain about a popular anime. |
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| I understand Ruby wants to become a idol BUT like Aqua is right and explaining the career of being a Idol. Maybe Ruby is still okay for now but will just need to wait and see how she plays |
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| I don't think the series is perfect although I do love it. There are nitpicks I can pull but having read the manga, I like it too much to really care for minor issues. My main gripe with the anime is that it didn't stand out from the manga. For a anime only viewer, I'm sure there is much bigger impact but for me, it didn't have as much of a impact as the Manga, probably due to already knowing what happens. Also personally, even with the manga, I didn't immediately grow attach to the characters. Its actually as time progress that I am invested in the characters. When they bring up the trauma later on, that's when I cried. So I don't think everyone need to be attached to the characters this soon. It's only 2 episodes (1 volume + a few chapters). If you did cry when Ai died, that's great but I don't think the expectation should be that you have to. For me, the sadness is retroactive and it works well since it WILL BE brought up again later after you get to know everyone better again. And it is still VERY SAD even if Ai's death was a long time ago. As for a lot of the complaints here, there is a lot and I can see the perspective but I pretty much disagree with all of it. Some of the complaints are only complaints because there's only 2 episodes released. I seen the comment saying that these two episodes have a longer runtime than most anime movies... but most anime movies were written with that runtime in mind and ties up all loose ends by then. This adaption has a 90min ep1 + the rest of the season to tell a self containing story. It really isn't comparable and a lot of these complaints with the plot would be tackled as time progress. Not sure why people expect answers to be provided already. Examples include complaints about no one reporting him missing... except they did report him missing... and his family life would be brought up later, so just be patient, its only 2 episodes in. The "tonal shift" is kind of a thing because ep1 is the prologue which had its climax and concluded. They now need to build up the main story. Other complaints here also seem less directed at the series and just some sort of weird moral projection. A gynecologist missing for 15 years isn't hard to imagine... there are people missing for twice as long... Heck some are missing for over 80 years and obviously presumed dead. That's just the reality of the situation. He went missing in a forest, the odds of hikers being found after 24 hours drop dramatically. Why is this a complaint considering this isn't unusual IRL? Also the police did suspect a accomplice for Ai's death. They just never found him... which also isn't unusual. For the US (idk the statistics for Japan), only a QUARTER OF MAJOR REPORTED CRIMES GET RESOLVED. Many more crimes go unreported, and even more fail to get a conviction etc. etc. So that number drops even further. Realistically, the amount of criminals that get punished is extraordinarily tiny. That's just the reality of the world we live in, so complaints about the police being incompetent here is less of a criticism of the show and just displacing frustration of very real institutional failure. The same thing for "creepy" kids, or Aqua being creepy. Firstly, that's the point... The series never tried to hide the fact he is a 30 year old idolizing a 16 year old Ai. But thinking this somehow makes the show bad is once again just projecting your morals onto characters in the show. Reality is, there are 40 and 50 year olds idolizing 14 year olds IRL. Is it creepy? Yes. Its fiction and its depicting a real subject, not trying to show you sunshine and rainbows. The series acknowledges that it is creepy, the nurse points it out but Gorou/Aqua tries to justify it to himself because even he would otherwise think its creepy. And at the very least, he has self control unlike Ruby so in someways he isn't even that creepy. Creepy reincarnated kid isn't even a fault consider the subject we are talking about. If anything, that should be a given. As for the kids talking, they don't talk in front of the adults. Rewatch the anime... It's always when the adults are doing something else/not paying attention or not there. And keep in mind they are supposed to be whispering but we the audience still need to hear them. And Ruby talking at night just goes unnoticed because people are asleep... Fail to see the problem here either. It just seems like there are a lot of mental gymnastics to find fault with them talking... Also it wasn't just Miyako(the wife) who was surprised. Ai also said her kids are super smart for their age. The director also did point out that Aqua sure knew how to talk and was impressed. He just didn't pursue it any further and why would he? A baby spoke very eloquently... is he going to just deny what he just heard? No. What basis would there be for him to suspect some supernatural occurrence? Also none. He call him "precocious" or "someone who develops an ability early" which means he does acknowledge this fact. He just think Aqua is a genius prodigy, which is what any normal person would think. There is no indication of the contrary. It would be weird for him to think he is a reincarnated adult when the supernatural is not public knowledge. IDK what other response one expects... Next, about Aqua suddenly being able to act; that's not true. Aqua can't initially act, idk why anyone thought he could. Its like they didn't pay attention. He didn't have the talent for it, he said it himself. He only succeeded because he's a adult in a kid's body. That was creepy enough, so he leveraged that on the shoot. But during the time skip, he realized he had no actual talent. He's good at acting FOR A KID because he is actually mentally an adult but over time that advantage disappears. What he did get during the time skip is theoretical knowledge and not natural talent. Having practiced acting for almost a decade, he can still act, just not to the standard a naturally talented individual with the same amount of experience could do. That's why he managed to fool Ruby on the phone(which by nature is already harder to differentiate someone) and he'll apply that knowledge later on in the show. He's not gifted, just experienced. Lastly, I completely agree about Aqua being edgy. Is it justified though? Yes. Someone he idolized and later took care of him for several years of his life was MURDERED. Ai was someone he was very close to. And being a gynecologist isn't going to make him somehow uncaring to death of close friends or family. For one, a gynecologist don't see death very often, and someone dying in a hospital from "natural causes" would lead to grief but there is no target for hatred. Not to mention rarely having a close enough relationship with patients. A murderer however will result in a target for hate, they are not comparable. The one thing I will wholeheartedly agree with is the info dumps. Definitely prevalent but I don't think its too bad so far. Mainly because Aqua is new to the industry so the director explaining it to him makes sense. Exposition is at its worse when people who should already know gets info dumped on for the viewer. But there will be worse exposition later on. My main gripe with the anime is that it isn't doing as good of a job on its exposition as Kaguya did with its 'internal monologue.' Although Kaguya's monologues were fine on a manga format, but the anime adapted it well onto a different medium. The exposition for OnK's manga was sometimes quite egregious even in its original format so I can only hope the anime doesn't just straight up adapt those segments without some modifications. But thus far the anime has stayed true to the manga(which is generally good) that I worry it might do so to a fault, as they are still two different mediums and exposition is especially bad for a anime. |
zcv45Apr 22, 2023 9:54 PM
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| Far too many reasons to list and elaborate. |
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| It's trying to be many things at once. Stories like that don't end well most of the time. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the author, maybe they can pull this off. |
  “I despise common sense. I’ve seen the world from every possible angle. This cruel, ridiculous, beautiful world.” - Lacie Baskerville ||❤|| |
| Goro. Dear god Goro. |
| K-Pop? Bias? Nah man, we only know Ai and Ruby Hoshino in this house. |
minubkj said: A ~30 year old simping over a 16 year old is already bad enough then that whole connection with the dying girl was also really really weird but then they get reincarnated as Ai’s children?? Like bro that’s disgusting. - Adult guy simping a teenager. (Light pedo, ok). - Adult guy as baby child of a teenager mother, simping on her while having breastmilk. (Pedo + Reverse Pedo + Incest wtf) - Adult guy as son a dead teenager still simping on her. WTrealF! |
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| I went into the first episode thinking it must be something amazing after looking at all the hype. And when I saw the disgusting, fetishistic tropes they were playing with, I seriously had to do a double-take because it felt like I was watching a niche, perverted fetish anime instead of something that is so mainstream and even hit #1 on MAL. Getting reincarnated as an underage idol's child, who tf even fantasizes about this shit? Watching babies shoot each other smug looks while fetishising breastfeeding and whatever. How do people like the main character when his only defining factor is that he fucking worships a 16 year old idol. And the creepy sister too. The show is pointing out the dark side of showbiz but not even acknowledging that these two "children" are also contributors to the toxicity and creepiness that are attributed to these fanbases. Disgusting shit aside, there's so many plot conveniences and holes that simply take too much suspension of disbelief for me to take it seriously regarding the stalker and people's reactions to these impossibly smart kids. I know people will say "oh it's just an anime don't take it so seriously" but imo that only stands for anime that don't take themselves seriously. Which is clearly not the case here. Also the people who say "oh you say it isn't realistic but you will watch battle shounen with superpowers and shit how is that realistic" well that's because it's set in a fantastical world you funny fuck. And this is clearly set in a realistic world. So it should make sense according to the realistic ways in which the world works. The big "oh the first episode was so good, but yeah rest of them are mid" stfu the first one was mid too idk what you were smoking, what you liked all the pedo shit? you bawled your eyes out because Ai died? why? when did the show make you care about Ai? What did she do that made her so loveable and her death so impactful and sad for you? Throughout the first episode all she did was some ditzy shit, some slacking off as a parent, some idol performances, and some pseudo-deep monologues about how she's such a liar. Oh the main character cared about her, she was his mother, so it's emotional boo fucking hoo. He called her Ai all the fricking time, he never once thought of her as his mother, she was only Ai the perfect idol in his eyes. So no, I don't buy the sad for his mother angle. In the end he was just a creepy ass fan that manifested becoming her son through sheer plot armor. And who's now hell bent on revenge against his "father" and went full edge-mode. And can we please stop having all these reincarnated protagonists that never seem to give a fuck about their family/friends from their last life? Only ever seen Subaru ever even think about them and that was probably my favorite episode from Re:Zero. I also hate how anyone saying anything bad about this is automatically getting called shounentard and told to go watch some battle shounen or some shit. Liking this show doesn't make you better than anyone, sorry. It probably makes you worse for not finding all the weirdo shit normal. Nah jk you can like it but don't go hating on the haters. |
| This anime shit is addictive |
| @B3RyL01 Ah yes let's be real here "my opinion is the right one and the ones disagreeing are just mad" |
| This anime shit is addictive |
| @B3RyL01 i couldn't care about rating but with all the praise being showered on the forums, it does call for people that don't agree to also voice their opinion. if it was a 6.5 rating show and generally disliked by people but i saw a group of people praising it regardless of its faults, i would still disagree with them and tell them what I dont like about the show and why I think it's bad, and it would have nothing to do with its rating being above my favourite anime and everything to do with me thinking it's bad |
| This anime shit is addictive |
| aqua tries way too hard to be smart feels forced. People comparing him to characters like light, lelouch, ayanokoji, when he's not even their level and they felt natural. |
| I just don't like Aqua lol. He really gives me the ick. I just finished episode five and he confessed he may have romantic love for AI. She's his biological mother in this life, but he's never recognized her as having become family and just remained an obsessive fan. Both siblings had a weird borderline-incestuous obsession with her, although Ruby got over that and embraced her as her mother. Ai didn't deserve having a kid that lusts after her. Hes also just another shallow edgelord INTJ mastermind like Ayanokouji from Classroom of the Elite or Yuuichi from Tomodachi Game. He doesn't have personality beyond his obsession for AI so he pales in comparison to better-developed mastermind characters like Osamu Dazai, Tanya Degurechaff or William Moriarty. |
Fischer77 said: Great point, he's not really a mastermind, just thinks he is. He hadn't done anything that an average person couldn't do or think of. aqua tries way too hard to be smart feels forced. People comparing him to characters like light, lelouch, ayanokoji, when he's not even their level and they felt natural. |
Floral_soap said: I just don't like Aqua lol. He really gives me the ick. I just finished episode five and he confessed he may have romantic love for AI. She's his biological mother in this life, but he's never recognized her as having become family and just remained an obsessive fan. Both siblings had a weird borderline-incestuous obsession with her, although Ruby got over that and embraced her as her mother. Ai didn't deserve having a kid that lusts after her. Hes also just another shallow edgelord INTJ mastermind like Ayanokouji from Classroom of the Elite or Yuuichi from Tomodachi Game. He doesn't have personality beyond his obsession for AI so he pales in comparison to better-developed mastermind characters like Osamu Dazai, Tanya Degurechaff or William Moriarty. I find it fascinating with how some people think they would be able to control their emotions in that situation and do a 180 lmao. I really don't think it's that simple. If you had what might have been romantic feelings for someone, and you get reincarnated with your memories intact and now all of a sudden they are your mother ... it's not like those feeling just automatically vanish. That's not how that works at all. And Ruby is a different case cause I don't think she had those kinds of feelings to begin with, she was just a fan. It's not even that hard to understand why this would occur. It's not like he did anything or was creepy about it. If anything, it's pretty refreshing to have a MC who isn't a creep like Rudy is in Mushoku Tensei. Who despite their feelings, doesn't act on them and has at least some sense of morality. This shit is so mild, that I am surprised you watch anime at all if THIS gives you the ick feeling. |
| I am become bunny, fluffing of worlds. |
| There are two things I personally dislike about Oshi no Ko. Though keep in mind I really love this series thus far. 1. Ruby and Aqua not knowing who each other are, makes zero sense. I can get maybe Ruby not wanting to speak about her past much given it was pretty crappy. But surely Aqua would bring up his past way more than he has. Has Ruby never gotten sick before? He is a doctor, that would for sure get brought up eventually. They are both fans of Ai, surely one would ask ... how did you become a fan? Keeping them from knowing just feels forced. 2. The first episode was amazing and really set the tone and quality for the series. But keeping to that is difficult and sure enough I find myself getting excited about what will happen next, only for it to be not as exciting as I was thinking it would be. They way I describe it is like someone lighting a firework and you are excitedly anticipating it going off, only for it to end up being one of those sparkler things that doesn't really do anything. Aside from these two things, I still am really enjoying the anime quite a bit. |
| I am become bunny, fluffing of worlds. |
| I've always disliked the sexual energy surrounding Hoshino Ai. Gorou (Aqua) was a man in his 30's who was aroused by Ai, and the 13-year-old Sarina (Ruby) was seemingly also infatuated by the idol -- I would like to claim that this infatuation was of a platonic nature, but the way that both Sarina and Gorou blush over Ai breastfeeding them is strange. Whenever Gorou is confronted about being a "lolicon" in Episode 1, he basically gaslights anyone who accuses him of such. Ai was 16 when she was pregnant, and she was still a minor when the two lusted over her. Many other people also lust over the teenager. I also don't like the sheer amount of murderers, sadists, and truly evil people who exist in the Oshi no Ko universe. Sure, these people also exist in our own universe, but it's insane to me that so many of them would exist so closely to one another. Hikaru (Aqua and Ruby's dad) especially makes me feel uncomfortable. I cannot finish Oshi no Ko for the sake of my mental health because of how much it disturbs and sickens me. |
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OnePiece7Sh1 said: Akane becoming happy in the nxt ep after she ALMOST commit suicide. Like its soooo unrealistic. A person who almost commit suicide and were saved would take few days to calm themselves & reflect themselves but akane just act like nothing happen and then happily copied Aqua's mom in the nxt ep. Yes, i feel sorry for her but after nxt ep when she became happy too sudden, i find it hard to relate with her. It just makes 0 sense Sorry for double posting, but is it possible that she has some sort of personality or mood disorder such as bipolar? I myself have bipolar II, and you can wake up depressed one day and manic the next. If left unmedicated, somebody with bipolar could have very severe and devastating mood swings, hallucinations, and impulses. I'm glad that I've been medicated for almost four years now. I've changed a lot as a person and I've never been happier. I hope Akane can also obtain true happiness. |
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OnePiece7Sh1 said: MagicalTyger said: Sorry for double posting, but is it possible that she has some sort of personality or mood disorder such as bipolar? I myself have bipolar II, and you can wake up depressed one day and manic the next. If left unmedicated, somebody with bipolar could have very severe and devastating mood swings, hallucinations, and impulses. I'm glad that I've been medicated for almost four years now. I've changed a lot as a person and I've never been happier. I hope Akane can also obtain true happiness. O..ok? But akane is not bipolar. The creator nvr say so. Plus, the fact the nxt ep she decides to copy Aqua's mom is wrong even if she's an actress, she should hv clarified with him first The creator never saying so doesn't mean it can't be true. Also, unless you have bipolar or you know somebody afflicted by the disorder, you couldn't possibly fully understand its symptoms. Somebody in a manic state could easily do something as reckless as copying somebody's dead mom -- there have been cases of criminals in real life who have had bipolar and done very bad things. I'm done discussing this topic because a) it will not lead to a peaceful resolution and b) it is no-longer relevant to the forum topic. Goodnight. |
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