Curdiss said: look dude, I'm not interested in proving anything to you, I just wanted to let you know that when other people use that insult they're saying it ironically, they don't actually believe that CR hires people to defend them on random ass forums. And your sincere belief that they do makes you look like an idiot. Especially when it's your only defense to being proven wrong. I'm on your side as far as piracy goes but it's like being a fucking Cubs fan, can you please just stop taking L's for 5 damn seconds? Of course they are getting paid for that. Do you actually believe Maddy writes like 20 essays about how good Crunchyshit is every day in his free time? It was already proven many times that companies hire shills for advertisement on forums and this right here is a prime example of it. Either you are pretty ignorant or you are just doing damage control for your coworkers. |
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| Let me to say my opinion about the whole thing. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS MY OPINION AND I'M NOT PAID FROM ANYWHERE. I think: when you are watching anime, you got to pay for it why(even those you didn't enjoy) : because someone else has worked(perhaps very hard) to make this thing for you so It's their right to be paid . second: Here is where things get complicated : The money that we are paying might not go straight to the creators . and i JUST don't know . i don't think buying figures will provide any major help or influence on creators (at last not to the less known ones(people other than va and director(such as animatior))) . So there is two other things : streaming sites and online stores(or blue rays) . And both of them have some flaws (like not every show has an available blue ray or it's not that affordable( reigon limitations and ...)) (so many shows aren't available on all reigons (and many else are nowhere to be found) And at the end i think ( i repeat I THINK ): IF YOU ARE NOT SURE THAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO THE CREATORS DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO GO AND WATCH PIR@TE ANIME. |
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ateks said: I know you are a paid shill so you wouldn't know but there are still tons of fansubs being made today and of course they would increase if Crinchy shuts down. Have you not watched the sub of Isekai Ojisan from 4chan? Shit was hilarious and a million times better than any woke trash Crinchy could ever make. And I don't mind waiting some weeks for fansubs coming out, it's not like we are already waiting months because of shit companies like Aniplex. Such a mystery how a site I didn't link, advertise, or even mention in my previous post would be paying me for it. I could go and post screenshots of my piracy "street cred" going back almost 20 years, but we already know that empirical evidence doesn't penetrate too far into your alternative reality, where everyone who disagrees with you is paid by some vast and shadowy (((conspiracy))). So instead, I'll give you the chance to prove me wrong. Where are these thriving "fansub" groups? What're their release tags? Do you recall your thread about alleged "subtitle censorship" in Onimai*? Surely, any enterprising fansub group would jump at the chance to correct this heinous subtitle butchery, especially when the version prepared by the Japanese side and given to all overseas streaming services had some scenes removed. So I used websites that I just happened to know about to download subtitle files from 11 different release groups, and used fansubber subtitle software that I just happened to have laying around on my PC to look at them. Every last file was a straight rip of either CR, bilibili, or both -- not even a corrected/edited version of them, and certainly not from-scratch fanmade translations. But that's just one show, of course. So I looked at another popular Winter '23 series, Tomo-chan is a Girl!, to pull subtitles from 6 different release groups. (There were others, but they were either known CR rippers like SubsPlease/Erai-raws, or made it clear they were ripping from CR.) If any of them were "fansubs," they managed to translate the show exactly the same way CR did, word for word. Truly an astonishing coincidence! Even Anime Chap, which claimed to be "Edited CR subs, with spelling/grammar corrections" didn't make any substantive changes to the CR script that I could see. As for versions of Uncle from Another World not ripped straight from Netflix, the SubsWhen releases based their translations on the official Yen Press manga translations, and the Uncle releases are rehashes of SubsWhen. And the /anon/ releases of eps 10-12 say, "Subs thanks to AI and /a/." So still not what I'd call actual, from-scratch fan translations, like we had in the pre-streaming era. And some of those fansubs came out months or even years after the broadcast, not just weeks. |
Zalis said: ateks said: I know you are a paid shill so you wouldn't know but there are still tons of fansubs being made today and of course they would increase if Crinchy shuts down. Have you not watched the sub of Isekai Ojisan from 4chan? Shit was hilarious and a million times better than any woke trash Crinchy could ever make. And I don't mind waiting some weeks for fansubs coming out, it's not like we are already waiting months because of shit companies like Aniplex. Such a mystery how a site I didn't link, advertise, or even mention in my previous post would be paying me for it. I could go and post screenshots of my piracy "street cred" going back almost 20 years, but we already know that empirical evidence doesn't penetrate too far into your alternative reality, where everyone who disagrees with you is paid by some vast and shadowy (((conspiracy))). So instead, I'll give you the chance to prove me wrong. Where are these thriving "fansub" groups? What're their release tags? Do you recall your thread about alleged "subtitle censorship" in Onimai*? Surely, any enterprising fansub group would jump at the chance to correct this heinous subtitle butchery, especially when the version prepared by the Japanese side and given to all overseas streaming services had some scenes removed. So I used websites that I just happened to know about to download subtitle files from 11 different release groups, and used fansubber subtitle software that I just happened to have laying around on my PC to look at them. Every last file was a straight rip of either CR, bilibili, or both -- not even a corrected/edited version of them, and certainly not from-scratch fanmade translations. But that's just one show, of course. So I looked at another popular Winter '23 series, Tomo-chan is a Girl!, to pull subtitles from 6 different release groups. (There were others, but they were either known CR rippers like SubsPlease/Erai-raws, or made it clear they were ripping from CR.) If any of them were "fansubs," they managed to translate the show exactly the same way CR did, word for word. Truly an astonishing coincidence! Even Anime Chap, which claimed to be "Edited CR subs, with spelling/grammar corrections" didn't make any substantive changes to the CR script that I could see. As for versions of Uncle from Another World not ripped straight from Netflix, the SubsWhen releases based their translations on the official Yen Press manga translations, and the Uncle releases are rehashes of SubsWhen. And the /anon/ releases of eps 10-12 say, "Subs thanks to AI and /a/." So still not what I'd call actual, from-scratch fan translations, like we had in the pre-streaming era. And some of those fansubs came out months or even years after the broadcast, not just weeks. Got no time to read your essay. Literally not a single sane person would write so much text defending some shit companies if they weren't paid for it. |
ErnestMacel said: bilibili (not sure that it is legal or not(still)) bilibili is legal and one of the biggest publishers in China check out https://www.youtube.com/@GundamInfo |
| @Zalis works for Crunchyroll and I have proof. See below! As you can see from my thoroughly researched analysis backed by years of data (1200+ pages of data!), there is a very strong evidence that Zalis is a Crunchyroll employee. back on topic, there's TVer and Abema, which are legal streaming provider in Japan. If you live outside Japan, you need to use a VPN. The use of VPN is a gray area, but you're still watching ads, and the ad revenue does go to support the creators in one way or another. Not that the fraction of a penny makes a difference, but it's the thought that counts. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
| i always use either WeTV or Bstation |
| Maybe use vpn and go to muse and ani one youtube channel? That's how I do it. |
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ateks said: "This wall of text I didn't read somehow proves me right!" Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. Since you've failed to support your claims of a thriving fansub scene, I'm going to declare them false and move on. Got no time to read your essay. Literally not a single sane person would write so much text defending some shit companies if they weren't paid for it. ---------------------------------------- Tiosar said: Okay. Provide me with some math if you can, then. Let's say I purchase a monthly subscription because I want to watch Spy Kyoushitsu. How much of that money will go to the creators of the said anime? From the data publicly released by the Japanese anime industry, we can deduce a few things. This shows 1239.4 billion yen going to the production committee investors who control the rights, i.e. the "publishers" described in an article that's been previously linked. The lower half of the image shows 76.1 billion yen going to anime studios as part of those deals. Maybe that doesn't seem like that much (~6.1%), but consider that the anti-streaming crowd has pushed "Buy Merch Instead" as THE ONE TRUE WAY to Support the Industry for some time now... and yet, the merchandise revenue split to studios isn't a whole lot better, at ~9.2%. That's part and parcel of the production committee system -- studios don't get all the profits, but they also aren't on the hook for all the risk and losses if a project bombs. In fairness, the "Overseas Revenue" isn't 100% from streaming subscriptions, and certainly not from any one particular country or company. But the main takeaway from these numbers is that spending money on products and services (including merchandise, DVD/BD, and streaming) approved by the anime industry does does benefit the anime industry, including anime studios. You could make the case that importing the Japanese home video releases is even better for studios (~15.2%), but look at the overall figures: overseas revenue is 10x as much for studios, because far more people are paying for those products and services. It's part of the "pyramid model" described here: So while one individual streaming subscription may not contribute a whole lot, when you multiply that by millions or tens of millions, it means a substantial amount of revenue. In other words, lots of little numbers add up, but with piracy, anything times zero is zero. As the interview linked above states: OtakuJournalist said: "publishers are 'ecstatic' about the revenue they receive, and that publishers probably wouldn’t agree to work with Crunchyroll in such large numbers if they were getting such a bad deal." |
Zalis said: ateks said: "This wall of text I didn't read somehow proves me right!" Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. Since you've failed to support your claims of a thriving fansub scene, I'm going to declare them false and move on.Got no time to read your essay. Literally not a single sane person would write so much text defending some shit companies if they weren't paid for it. Not sure what you are trying to proof here. Just go to nyaa and look yourself, there are tons of fansubs still being made. Obviously not as many as back then but still a lot and I'd prefer them over the woke Crinchyshit subs every day. Also English isn't the only language in the world in case you didn't know. @Tiosar: if you want to support the anime industry just import merch and DVDs/Blurays. At Crinchy you give the vast majority of your money to the American streaming industry. These guys writing whole essays here are corporate paid shills. |
| Retrocrush and HIDIVE are your only options for watching in a streaming sense in the U.S. I believe Elahmad is legal too, but this is for Arabic dubbed anime as it airs on television (Spacetoon, Space Power are legal networks, Basma is probably an illegal network). |
| Simply type anime online in any search engine and it gives you plenty amount of different sites where you can watch anime. |
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Xicsukin said: are you sure that this site is legal? I haven't ever heard of that.wcostream.net is the only one you need, so many sub/dub/movies. been using it for over a decade, it's never let me down. |
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ateks said: Um, that's exactly what I did before. I found plenty of releases on nyaa, but no fansubs. If you're downloading from any of these groups, you're getting direct copies of legal subs:Just go to nyaa and look yourself, there are tons of fansubs still being made. Obviously not as many as back then but still a lot and I'd prefer them over the woke Crinchyshit subs every day. --------------------------------------------------- nyugvo6 said: Hey Zalis, I owe you a reply and this is a good opportunity. Is this why you're adamantly defending crunchyroll nonstop? Because I can kinda see where you're coming from. I don't see it necessarily as defending CR (though obviously some will say otherwise), but rather defending the concept that "companies that negotiate deals and pay licensing fees do benefit the overall anime industry." I view the global anime industry as an ecosystem, both for creating translations and for funding production. Piracy on the individual level maybe isn't that harmful, but the spreading of misinformation, saying entire sectors just "don't count," and trying to convince paying customers to pirate or dissuading new viewers from paying is like setting the rainforest on fire. Have you heard of Cosmos Pink Shock? See, I happen to like old anime and OVAs are my favorite. Would you come out of cryostasis, I wonder? So I was wondering why a fansubber with their stuff uploaded to piracy sites is trying to shill Crunchyroll, which used to be a piracy site. Going back to the ecosystem, it's the idea of "smart parasites don't kill the host." You've discovered the reason why I'm against bootleg streaming sites specifically; they not only leech off and profit from the industry's work, they also do so with work I've personally done. Piracy through more traditional torrent/XDCC/DDL methods is at least "revenue-neutral." Since the Japanese side doesn't hold CR's pirate past against them, I don't either. To answer your question, I believe if Crunchy went bankrupt, or got disbanded(which will never happen now, knowing who the parent company is) a new streaming site would pop up, hopefully with japanese roots. Anime in the west is too big now for nobody to attempt a cashgrab. I agree that it's unlikely they'd shut down, but we never know where the tipping point is. Cut down some of a rainforest and it'll stay stable; cut down too much, and it all dries out. Geneon and Bandai were divisions of larger companies too, but that didn't save them from getting shuttered. Anime is big in the West for now because people are paying -- if the hardcore viewerbase decides to pirate and kill off the anime-specific sites, services like Netflix and Disney aren't going to bother with anything but the safest, most mainstream-friendly titles. Japan has tried international streaming before, and it didn't work out. So the real tl;dr answer to why I make these pro-industry statements is that I don't want to see a repeat of the 2007 crash. Thinking that new companies will appear, or that we'd have a fansub renaissance, feels like a risky gamble to me. As one known to write long posts, I'm certainly willing to read them as well. Thank you for addressing me as I actually exist in the online anime world, as opposed to a conspiracy fever-dream caricature. |
| The more you forget about streaming services, the better. Buying anime on DVD or Blu-ray is highway robbery anyway. Aniplex or Sony should listen to their customers before drawing them and then getting their hopes up for nothing. HiDive is an adequate choice if you love 80s anime, but it still sucks compared to CartoonCrazy, 9anime, etc and still can't match their convenience. Not even their supreme diverse content. Good luck finding Monster Rancher, Megaman NT Warrior and literally other forgotten anime on HiDive, Hulu, Netflix, Funiroll, etc. Big businesses don't really care about anime anyway. Also, I refuse to do business with a woke, has-been Japanese tech company like Sony. They censor Japanese media and yet they're okay with pedophilia or opposing Florida's Parental Rights Bill. Also censoring Japanese media while having incited violence and donating Minecraft proceeds to BLM while stupefying the radical group of ruffians. Being huge Democrat donors and donating like 18 times more to creepy Demorats this decade. Doesn't sound okay for the family does it? If you play videos on Hulu, then you are still sucking on the whiz pump of nasty corporations (like Disney). Any business or customer that contributes money to said creepy government somehow is an accomplice to child-molesting. The only form of payment that woke businesses trying to market anime like they care deserve is my feet aimed straight into their nuts. Wanna buy anime? Just buy the DVDs and Blu-rays straight from Japan. Who needs woke ADR crap anyway? Anime was made originally for Japanese audiences, duh! Don't expect quality localization anyway and just forget it. |
| Every free site you can find anime on is legal imo. Why does it matter if you're not watching it on a corporate site anyway? Nevermind how much better they factually are compared to CR and Funi. |
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