What don't you like about AoT?

icefirestone23 said:
Aot is for the most part a pretty linear storyline. But every1 who knows how it ends will know that just watching aot anime week by week will just lead to that ending.

I mean you can guess it by now.

Also they should have shown how the wall titans are made, whether or not if they eat a shifter will they become human.

Isayama could have used the wall titans to effectively get people from the past yet he chose not to

I also say the series as a whole is not very marketable now and the character designs kind of suck. Most people want an ending akin to fast five.

CreepHazard said:

Season 4 is peak fiction which had a mediocre adaptation, till the first half of S4 p2, after that the writing is pretty shaky, but this special delivered like an absolute masterpiece. I'm gonna stay neutral about the ending though.

Footed7 said:
The new episode was easily top 10 tf, everything in the previous seasons led up to this lol

Daniele_Raffo said:
apparently you did not understand anything

moptop2 said:
It wasn't illogical at all. I think at that point you just have to admit the story either went over your head or you just dont like comlpex writing 

ktg said:
No, if anything, the adaptation was better than the S4 story. Yes, it wasn't a really good adaptation, but that was the smaller issue there. S4 introduced pretty big plot holes and inconsistencies. Even this special, where Hange killed like 5 titans and THAT slowed them down to arrive an hour later when the titans were actually 5-10 minutes away (based on earlier seasons titans' speed). Or when humans were able to fight top of the founding titan, when other titans it was too hot to go even near the titans.

It's not even close. Or what top 10 are we talking about? Top 10 episode among every episode or among SnK's episodes?
But no, even if we talk about only SnK episodes, it was relatively weak.
The only acceptable part was the last 10 minutes.

I perfectly understood everything. I saw how Hange burned to death, while everyone else was fine when they went close to the titans, because this is how it ended.

It was.
Yes, I have to admit that I have higher IQ than 99% of the population, working as an engineer at a big and respected company, but this wasn't enough to comprehend that in the same conditions one thing burns and the other (same) thing doesn't.
Btw, SnK doesn't have complex writing. It's not close to any actually complex show. Yes, it is more complex than Kenja no Mago or Keijo, but it is weaker than Monogatari series, Godzilla SP or Sonny Boy.

And just to let you know, I really, really like complex shows, because those are most enjoyable ones for me. SnK is the "complex" show for average people. Try to compare it to Godzilla SP. It has low score because most people didn't even understand it, that's what a complex show is.

Ki11grave said:
I feel like the main problem with Attack on Titan is that it cares about its great plot way too much over characters. Most of them are one-dimentional and passive. Look at Sasha, for example. Her last word was 'meat'. This moment will always be both tragic and ridiculous for me. Is this the only thing Sasha could think about?

ktg said:
No, if anything, the adaptation was better than the S4 story. Yes, it wasn't a really good adaptation, but that was the smaller issue there. S4 introduced pretty big plot holes and inconsistencies. Even this special, where Hange killed like 5 titans and THAT slowed them down to arrive an hour later when the titans were actually 5-10 minutes away (based on earlier seasons titans' speed). Or when humans were able to fight top of the founding titan, when other titans it was too hot to go even near the titans.

It's not even close. Or what top 10 are we talking about? Top 10 episode among every episode or among SnK's episodes?
But no, even if we talk about only SnK episodes, it was relatively weak.
The only acceptable part was the last 10 minutes.

I perfectly understood everything. I saw how Hange burned to death, while everyone else was fine when they went close to the titans, because this is how it ended.

It was.
Yes, I have to admit that I have higher IQ than 99% of the population, working as an engineer at a big and respected company, but this wasn't enough to comprehend that in the same conditions one thing burns and the other (same) thing doesn't.
Btw, SnK doesn't have complex writing. It's not close to any actually complex show. Yes, it is more complex than Kenja no Mago or Keijo, but it is weaker than Monogatari series, Godzilla SP or Sonny Boy.

And just to let you know, I really, really like complex shows, because those are most enjoyable ones for me. SnK is the "complex" show for average people. Try to compare it to Godzilla SP. It has low score because most people didn't even understand it, that's what a complex show is.

ktg said:
No, if anything, the adaptation was better than the S4 story. Yes, it wasn't a really good adaptation, but that was the smaller issue there. S4 introduced pretty big plot holes and inconsistencies. Even this special, where Hange killed like 5 titans and THAT slowed them down to arrive an hour later when the titans were actually 5-10 minutes away (based on earlier seasons titans' speed). Or when humans were able to fight top of the founding titan, when other titans it was too hot to go even near the titans.

It's not even close. Or what top 10 are we talking about? Top 10 episode among every episode or among SnK's episodes?
But no, even if we talk about only SnK episodes, it was relatively weak.
The only acceptable part was the last 10 minutes.

I perfectly understood everything. I saw how Hange burned to death, while everyone else was fine when they went close to the titans, because this is how it ended.

It was.
Yes, I have to admit that I have higher IQ than 99% of the population, working as an engineer at a big and respected company, but this wasn't enough to comprehend that in the same conditions one thing burns and the other (same) thing doesn't.
Btw, SnK doesn't have complex writing. It's not close to any actually complex show. Yes, it is more complex than Kenja no Mago or Keijo, but it is weaker than Monogatari series, Godzilla SP or Sonny Boy.

And just to let you know, I really, really like complex shows, because those are most enjoyable ones for me. SnK is the "complex" show for average people. Try to compare it to Godzilla SP. It has low score because most people didn't even understand it, that's what a complex show is.

Ayanokamisama said:

Watch Peak fiction Godzilla 1954
https://share.vidyard.com/watch/NzfgE7UiuzE6RnFa6ofbkU?

ktg said:
No, if anything, the adaptation was better than the S4 story. Yes, it wasn't a really good adaptation, but that was the smaller issue there. S4 introduced pretty big plot holes and inconsistencies. Even this special, where Hange killed like 5 titans and THAT slowed them down to arrive an hour later when the titans were actually 5-10 minutes away (based on earlier seasons titans' speed). Or when humans were able to fight top of the founding titan, when other titans it was too hot to go even near the titans.

It's not even close. Or what top 10 are we talking about? Top 10 episode among every episode or among SnK's episodes?
But no, even if we talk about only SnK episodes, it was relatively weak.
The only acceptable part was the last 10 minutes.

I perfectly understood everything. I saw how Hange burned to death, while everyone else was fine when they went close to the titans, because this is how it ended.

It was.
Yes, I have to admit that I have higher IQ than 99% of the population, working as an engineer at a big and respected company, but this wasn't enough to comprehend that in the same conditions one thing burns and the other (same) thing doesn't.
Btw, SnK doesn't have complex writing. It's not close to any actually complex show. Yes, it is more complex than Kenja no Mago or Keijo, but it is weaker than Monogatari series, Godzilla SP or Sonny Boy.

And just to let you know, I really, really like complex shows, because those are most enjoyable ones for me. SnK is the "complex" show for average people. Try to compare it to Godzilla SP. It has low score because most people didn't even understand it, that's what a complex show is.

Footed7 said:
Nah bruh you’re tripping big time unfortunately. Shit wasn’t even half bad and a lot of people love the new episode

moptop2 said:
So it went over your head then. Yikes I hurt your ego with that one

moptop2 said:
-Hange didn't slow them down for an hour, an hour was an estimate of the time they thought they would need, they rushed the fuel tank repair and were barely able to get it in working condition in less than an hour

moptop2 said:
-You're assuming they take 5-10 minutes to walk based on what? We never see a colossal titan walking in the show until the final season

moptop2 said:
-Eren's titan doesn't have flesh to turn into steam, he isn't nearly as hot as the colossal titans. They clearly show Eren's back being high above the colossal titans and the steam (their heat) being behind them as they move forward

moptop2 said:
-Everyone else was not close to the colossal titans, Eren's spine is hundreds of meters above them and their heat

moptop2 said:
You think there are plot holes because with your highest percentile IQ you didn't take 2 seconds to think about what was actually going on

moptop2 said:
Your anime list is public, you are the furthest thing from the arbiter of complex writing

What you really like are romances with little children in them based on your list

CreepHazard said:
I don't wanna spend too much time rectifying people online, but the Godzilla SP remark piqued my interest. Might watch it now :)

Daniele_Raffo said:
First of all season 4 it's still not over so if i was you i wouldn't critcize something before even finishing It (if you did not read the manga) second of all it's the opposite of an illogical mess.

Daniele_Raffo said:
what eren can see through his attack titan's power. the main example of this Is the scene where he kisses historia's hand and sees stuff that is not shown to us especially to not spoil anything about the lore.

Daniele_Raffo said:
the fourth season is the best one out of all for how complex the lore becomes with lots of plot-twists.

Daniele_Raffo said:
now, i am not saying that you must like the season 4 nor aot in general but just because you did not like something it's not a good reason to talk shit about that.

Daniele_Raffo said:
and also, in the reply to my comment you just summarized the event without saying an important and relevant thing so if i was you i won't be so sure to have understood everything.

Daniele_Raffo said:
in another reply you pointed out some details like the fact that It was too hot exc... First of all no, on eren it's not hot, it's only hot around the colossals since they release heat.

Daniele_Raffo said:
second of all, even if It was true what you were saying about the heat, so what? if a small meaningless detail is wrong that doesn't make the whole 4th season a "series of plot holes" or "a whole illogical mess"

Ki11grave said:
I feel like the main problem with Attack on Titan is that it cares about its great plot way too much over characters. Most of them are one-dimentional and passive. Look at Sasha, for example. Her last word was 'meat'. This moment will always be both tragic and ridiculous for me. Is this the only thing Sasha could think about?

deg said:


Attack on Titan is indeed a plot driven story and not a character driven story

deg said:
genocide justification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_justification

sure i love characters like Thanos but to make genocide justification heroic as much as possible is so bad

but im not saying to censor this show though

coshkunz said:
Mappa is shıt at choosing battle soundtracks.
Reiner is interesting but I'm not a fan of the other characters so I watch it for the plot. It's still a good story, not denying that. 
Still find SOME of the CGI scenes hideous to look at, ofc there are tolerable ones. 

nexuro01 said:
where Hanji goes Terminator mode and spams Thunder Spears left and right

moptop2 said:
Linearity is not a bad thing in this medium, this isn't a video game. And even so, AoT has plenty of nonlinear scenes resulting from the time altering aspect of it

The audacity to make it sound like Isayama made some sort of mistake by not including icefirestone23's ideas in it 

The character designs don't suck, this just isn't the fantasy or romance anime that you're used to where the characters have red hair and huge eyes. There is no shot you're saying most people want AoT to end like fast five. What the hell am I reading

deg said:
genocide justification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_justification

sure i love characters like Thanos but to make genocide justification heroic as much as possible is so bad

but im not saying to censor this show though

Watchanime324 said:
What are you saying,Aot is anything but pro genocide like it's not even subtle about it.

deg said:


im too lazy to repeat everything here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2080412&show=0#msg68750701

deg said:
@Watchanime324

im more concerned about how Eren fans think of this show since to them genocide justification is correct no matter what and they think the Alliance/Avengers have weak reasoning and i just tried understanding that mentality of them

im fine with villains in fiction being villains but Eren was portrayed as a hero despite him being a villain now yes his fans thinks he is a Hero still and not a Villain at all

anyway maybe i will change my mind later on but to me clearly Isayama written a heroic genocide justification fantasy especially with the last extra chapter that Eren fans regrets big time and their subject as to why genocide justification is correct

Watchanime324 said:

Not everyone have basic reading comprehension,it's very clear and you see it on social media with many shows these days.

It's not a author's fault if the readers/watchers are illeterate.
Again coming to the same example many many fans idolize walter white and think he was correct in doing everything he did but how tf is that author's or story fault.It's the fans who lack basic media literacy.

Like I showed you the panel from the actual story which shows the story is against genocide and your argument is it doesn't matter what the story says just because some fans  'support Eren and genocide' ,hence the story is justifying genocide.
are you serious?

icefirestone23 said:
They literally reuse the same costume design over and over. So it is not like AOT sells figures. Towards the end it became insane linear and just rehash the genocide good vs bad argument over and over, so it became predictable. Isayama had an amazing concept with wall titans but sadly underexplored it.

deg said:


my idea is that the author fail to deliver what he wants to convey or its badly written it was misunderstood by his fans

Watchanime324 said:
Oh,thousands of people getting trampled on is shown as the most horrifying and gruesome way but yes it don't portray genocide as a bad thing.The rumbling chapters are the most explicit Isayama been with his story.

(Not to say that aot is not subtle,Aot can be subtle when it wants but with the genocide,racism or war it's really clear with its message, it's as explicit as it can be)
And you can dislike Aot,say that some things are "badly written" and all but no offense if you say that somehow it 'justifies genocide' then you lack basic reading comprehension there is really no other reason than that.

deg said:


again im more concerned about the Eren fans mentality about their support for him

anyway you can throw any insults at me if you like but i like to change my mind by myself by understanding what i find bad because to me genocide justification is bad and its clear a lot of the fans thinks genocide justification is the only correct way too especially with that extra chapter in the end

Watchanime324 said:
This is getting annoying.
"again im more concerned about the Eren fans mentality about their support for him"
Alright tell me this so you don't think the story justifies genocide but you are concerned about Eren fans mentality about their support for him?

"anyway you can throw any insults at me if you like "
(btw I wasn't particularly insulting you but anyone who think the story justifies genocide )

deg said:


never mind then if you find this annoying like i said i like to change my mind by my own learning

Watchanime324 said:
Don't dodge the question bruh 

 "again im more concerned about the Eren fans mentality about their support for him"
Alright tell me this so you don't think the story justifies genocide but you are concerned about Eren fans mentality about their support for him?

deg said:


ok ill bite

i do think Isayama written genocide justification especially the last extra chapter of the manga where world genocide justification is very strong at that point but thats what i find bad about this manga

the genocide justification has more weight than the genocide prevention

Watchanime324 said:
"i do think Isayama written genocide justification especially the last extra chapter of the manga where world genocide justification is very strong at that point"

Ok,Can you elaborate, why you think the last extra chapter of the manga justifies genocide?

And also what do you mean by "especially" the last extra chapter of the manga?You're saying there are other instances where Isayama justified genocide with his story?(if so hopefully you're not talking about the Eren quotes you shared lmao)

"but thats what i find bad about this manga"
Yeah that was your first statement in the forum to which I responded and countered your points after which you just backtracked and blamed it on the fandom let's hope you aren't going to do that this time.

ThorLL said:
Eren's stupidity.

During first 5 episodes he makes all the wrong decisions possible. I dropped afterward.

dewwm said:
Everything. There's nothing good about that series.

nexuro01 said:
Rumbling arc as a whole is garbage, wirting turns shit, half the cast gets assassinated, it's just meh. I won't go into details, but remember S1? Back when titans were still deadly and every battle was all about tactics and shit and Isayama even went into small details like fuel usage that keeps 3DMG going? Now compare it to rumbling arc, where Hanji goes Terminator mode and spams Thunder Spears left and right.

ktg said:
I see the problem. I'll use your logic, maybe you will notice the problem too.
500 years ago most of the people thought the Earth was flat, so at that time, it was flat. This is your logic.

Currently SnK, like CSM was in the last season, is carried by the hype or early season fans. As you can see, I rated high the early seasons too.

Yes, that's why you couldn't refute a single point of mine. GJ.

So, it was like an hour. This doesn't refute me. You were just nitpicking about the phrasing.

Exactly on that. We got pretty good estimations in the final season. How fast they left the island, how fast they arrived in Marley etc.
But this actually point out why is the writing is bad. Isayama could have chose any time frame, like 10 minutes, but they went with the one hour.

This actually shows that you didn't understand the show.
They did not turn their flesh into steam. If that would be the case, the colossal titans would have shrunk and they couldn't kill everyone on the planet. We've seen that in earlier season that the colossal titan doesn't have that much steam, so that's not the case here. So it's there presence.
Second, it is inconsistent with the earlier season, when they started their march from the island, it wasn't hot there. We've seen scenes where colossal titans were next to humans and they didn't burn.
Third, it is much-much hotter, because even Armin's clothes didn't catch fire in the earlier season. So even if Eren is not that hot himself, it would be still pretty hot, because they were pretty close to the colossal titans.
Fourth, that's actually smoke and not steam, but even if it was, the steam is behind the colossal titans where actually Eren was walking. Eren walked behind the titans.

Yes, that's not how it works. The heat goes up.
So you clearly didn't understand the show, because it was one of the basic principle that titans are hot even without the steam. If it's bigger, it's hotter.

Yes, I didn't think about them, while you didn't even remember that the titans emit heat.
Pretty pathetic. :DDD

No, actually romances are pretty far from me.
My scores aren't based on enjoyment, it is based on quality.
To simplify it for you, because now I know I have to explain it for you. I didn't like ToraDora, I found it boring, but because of its qualities I gave them an 8. While I enjoyed Ex-Arm, because it was pretty funny how bad it was. Quality-wise it was still bad.
And actually that's why there are shows in my favorites that didn't get the highest rating from me. For example, I gave Hellsing a 9 and added to my favorites, while Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso with a 10 isn't in my favorites.

I know kids like you rate everything based on a diceroll, but normally that's not the case with thinking humans.

Don't expect it to be a regular Godzilla series. It's more like a science dialogue heavy show.

LOL, what is it? Kindergarden?
If the newest episode doesn't work with the already aired episodes, then doesn't matter what comes next, because we already have problems.

That moment actually 2 plot holes in one.
First, the attack titan's power itself is a plot hole, because of most of the foreshadowed moments. Owl talked about how to avoid a certain future. His visions would be only possible, if we were talking about a dynamic timeline, but the attack titan's power proves that it should be a fixed timeline.
Second, it is plot hole, okay, more like plot convenience how sometimes the moment people touch each other works and sometimes it doesn't. Like Eren touched Historia earlier in the show, but then nothing happened.
Here you can find a guide about how the time travel should work in SnK: https://imgur.com/t3Lnjsm
This is the most detailed one that I could find.

*plot holes
It is obviously a twist when you establish something that could never happen and still happens.
Like how Reiner told us earlier in the show with a neck injury you would die as a titan shifter if you don't transfer your consciousness into your body. And what do we get in S4? Eren beheaded and still count as a touch.

It is not about liking or disliking. I don't like ToraDora but I could and I would defend it when someone attacks it without a valid argument.
When I rate shows, it has nothing to do with me. It is always about the show's quality.

Lol, you know what the world summarize means? Yes, obviously I won't quote everything word by word.

Wrong. Every titan emit heat. That's one of the main principle. Even the small 3 meters tall titans were hot.
So, with this logic, Eren should be really hot too. But even without that, because of the colossal titans there should be hot.

This is actually a fallacy. I used the new episode as an example, and not as my entire argument. If you really want to, we can talk about other moments.
Like how Eren and Zeke did actually nothing on Paradis Island. Zeke was sitting in a forest, while Eren was sitting in a jail. Why exactly did they wait? They weren't separated on the aircraft, so touching each other at landing would have been the best option. But they were waiting and they almost failed because of this stupid decision.
Because of this, the whole S4 P2 is a plot hole. And in this comment I mentioned other points, like time travel doesn't work, Eren beheading moment is questionable at best.


After the time travel reveal, it was clear that Isayama wanted to top his last twist every time and that made him fail. He needed to create twists that wouldn't work if he followed his original rules that he established. He is not as skilled as he thought he was. I've read somewhere that Isayama originally planned to end the show at the basement reveal and that explains a lot if it's true. Until that point, the show worked, it could match other pretty great shows.

PrimeTimee said:
That it will end in fall of 2023

animu007 said:
yeah but in the end of the day i have more problems with some of the "fans" as with AoT itself.

Animaticli said:
The way the releases are and the fanbase 😃👍

Shioreru said:
Most of the characters are one-dimensional. For example, Misaka only cares about Eren and basically nothing else, though she at least stopped being annoying in the final season. Most of the side characters get tossed away for example Historia who became queen in season 3 is barely in the final season