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The Avengers? Direction of the Story? The Rumbling?
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genocide justification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_justification

sure i love characters like Thanos but to make genocide justification heroic as much as possible is so bad

but im not saying to censor this show though
Mar 6, 2023 7:48 AM
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After S4 the story turned into a pretty illogical mess. Even the new episode was a joke compared to the first 3 season.
Mar 6, 2023 7:49 AM
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nothing I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT AOT, EVERYTHING
Mar 6, 2023 7:51 AM
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ktg said:
After S4 the story turned into a pretty illogical mess. Even the new episode was a joke compared to the first 3 season.

but the seasons 1-3 would be pointless without season 4???
Mar 6, 2023 7:57 AM
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Mappa is shฤฑt at choosing battle soundtracks.
Reiner is interesting but I'm not a fan of the other characters so I watch it for the plot. It's still a good story, not denying that. 
Still find SOME of the CGI scenes hideous to look at, ofc there are tolerable ones. 
Mar 6, 2023 7:57 AM
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i dont really give a flying fuck about the paradis vs marley conflict (i did at one point) really, nor do i care much about the show trying to dig deep into racism and stuff
its there for ppl who do care and i don't mind it a lot, but that's not why i watch aot. so i guess that is one thing u could say i don't like.

the reason i watched aot was for the twists and turns, the mystery, how the plot evolves, and how emotionally hype it can make me.
the reason i watch aot at this point, is because it has a bunch of characters i care about and i wanna see their conclusion. The plot of the show is done evolving, its in a sense "complete" already

so yeah what i didn't like about the latest ep was that there was practically no plot, but that's not really a critique cuz it didn't need to have any. It was just an hr of ur beloved cast on screen put into a situation for you to go through alongside them. I really enjoyed it.

So id say the thing i actually disliked was the fact that there was a lot of dialogue, a lot of which wasn't needed for the hardcore fans, but ig they might have helped the casual viewers understand certain characters better.
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Even the moon have dark spots
Even the sun have holes (due to the knots made be polar shifting on sun)

Just like that there must be something people wouldn't have find suitable to their taste

Let others hate, it will keep matching towards new records
Mar 6, 2023 8:02 AM
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I feel like the main problem with Attack on Titan is that it cares about its great plot way too much over characters. Most of them are one-dimentional and passive. Look at Sasha, for example. Her last word was 'meat'. This moment will always be both tragic and ridiculous for me. Is this the only thing Sasha could think about?
Imagine normies saying: "Peaky Blinders is mid and overhyped. Just another typical crime drama show. Breaking Bad is much better lol.".
Mar 6, 2023 8:04 AM
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Ki11grave said:
I feel like the main problem with Attack on Titan is that it cares about its great plot way too much over characters. Most of them are one-dimentional and passive. Look at Sasha, for example. Her last word was 'meat'. This moment will always be both tragic and ridiculous for me.


Attack on Titan is indeed a plot driven story and not a character driven story
Mar 6, 2023 8:05 AM
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Dragevard said:
Is it b/c it went full battle shounen? Is it the Avenger fighting despite not having a solution to the World vs Paradis problem? The Rumbling?

Plot armour. It trying to act like anyone could die when no important main character died until like season 3.

Alot of the reveals are easy to see coming or are kinda anticlimactic when they are revealed. Annie being the female titan was clear to see as at that point we only met 2 blonde female characters and chista lenz wasn’t important enough at that point to even to consider so annie was the only one left. Riener and Bertolt reveal was not as easy to see but when they just took eren to the side and was like, “we are the titans”, It was very anticlimactic and I felt like it could of had more build up before that.

Warhammer titan was underutilised, for being one of the 9 titans they didn’t get to do much huh? All other 8 got a good amount of screen time while they got offed almost instantly, wish they gave it more time to shine and showed eren struggling a bit more. Which moves on ti my next point,

Time skip eren not struggling. I know theres the paths and thats the reason he’s not just it doesn’t really create a great narrative when the mc just get what ever he want with almost no difficulty for the last stretch of it.

It’s justification of genocide, the anime and manga treating it like the only way to achieve peace is through genocide is just kinda dumb. As even if you are making yourself enemy number one and and make your friends kill you to make paradise look like the good guys, people aren’t that understanding just to forget about all the hatred thry had towards to eldians. Zeke’s plan isn’t much better but at least nobody alive now will pointlessly get killed

There like my main criticism, I have some smaller ones but there so minor they aren’t worth mentioning.
Mar 6, 2023 8:09 AM
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The story after the rumbling is not as good as in the first 3 seasons. Episodes 16, 17, and 18 of season 3 are the highest peak of AOT. It was good until the rumbling starts it just went downhill after that, but I still think it is worth watching and the new episode is a solid adaptation.


edit - I just posted my 1139 post in AOT forums lol.
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That it will end in fall of 2023
Mar 6, 2023 8:20 AM
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I don't really understand those who say that AOT justifies genocide... when Eren not only doesn't succeed in the end, but the main cast is literally opposing the genocide. It's the Jaegerists (both in the anime, and in the fanbase) who justify it, thinking it's the only solution for "peace".
Mar 6, 2023 8:21 AM
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ktg said:
After S4 the story turned into a pretty illogical mess. Even the new episode was a joke compared to the first 3 season.

but the seasons 1-3 would be pointless without season 4???

Not entirely. Every season in every show has subplots. Yes, you won't get the whole picture, but Yakusoku no Neverland S1 is good, while S2 is bad.
But even if I agree with you, those seasons are also pointless with a stupid S4.
Mar 6, 2023 8:23 AM

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ktg said:
CreepHazard said:

but the seasons 1-3 would be pointless without season 4???

Not entirely. Every season in every show has subplots. Yes, you won't get the whole picture, but Yakusoku no Neverland S1 is good, while S2 is bad.
But even if I agree with you, those seasons are also pointless with a stupid S4.

Season 4 is peak fiction which had a mediocre adaptation, till the first half of S4 p2, after that the writing is pretty shaky, but this special delivered like an absolute masterpiece. I'm gonna stay neutral about the ending though.
Mar 6, 2023 8:25 AM
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I don't really understand those who say that AOT justifies genocide... when Eren not only doesn't succeed in the end, but the main cast is literally opposing the genocide. It's the Jaegerists (both in the anime, and in the fanbase) who justify it, thinking it's the only solution for "peace".


the avengers have weak reasoning to oppose the genocide other than its just bad thats it while the genocide justification is shown to be so strong especially in the extra final chapter
Mar 6, 2023 8:29 AM
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deg said:
LucisCael said:
I don't really understand those who say that AOT justifies genocide... when Eren not only doesn't succeed in the end, but the main cast is literally opposing the genocide. It's the Jaegerists (both in the anime, and in the fanbase) who justify it, thinking it's the only solution for "peace".


the avengers have weak reasoning to oppose the genocide other than its just bad thats it while the genocide justification is shown to be so strong especially in the extra final chapter
Personally I wouldn't call their reasoning "weak", they literally want to save humanity which is what the Survey Corps did from the beginning of the story. Wanting to stop a genocide to ensure the safety and evolution of humanity is a pretty solid and understandable reason albeit generic.
Mar 6, 2023 8:31 AM
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LucisCael said:
deg said:


the avengers have weak reasoning to oppose the genocide other than its just bad thats it while the genocide justification is shown to be so strong especially in the extra final chapter
Personally I wouldn't call their reasoning "weak", they literally want to save humanity which is what the Survey Corps did from the beginning of the story. Wanting to stop a genocide to ensure the safety and evolution of humanity is a pretty solid and understandable reason albeit generic.


heck im open if Isayama mention that about evolution and safety of humanity but no we just see Hange saying its wrong thats mostly about it
Mar 6, 2023 8:33 AM
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The toxic EreHisu shippers
Floch and his 'king' Floch stans
The Yeagerists
(Basically all the fascist related stuff)
Genocide/Rumbling justifiers

Excluding these points, it is legit the greatest story of all time.
Mar 6, 2023 8:37 AM
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ktg said:
After S4 the story turned into a pretty illogical mess. Even the new episode was a joke compared to the first 3 season.

The new episode was easily top 10 tf, everything in the previous seasons led up to this lol
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deg said:
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Personally I wouldn't call their reasoning "weak", they literally want to save humanity which is what the Survey Corps did from the beginning of the story. Wanting to stop a genocide to ensure the safety and evolution of humanity is a pretty solid and understandable reason albeit generic.


heck im open if Isayama mention that about evolution and safety of humanity but no we just see Hange saying its wrong thats mostly about it
Lowkey you're right, I do think that they should've made it more clear, but at the same time it's pretty obvious why they're stopping the genocide, it's way too obvious that it's about humanity's safety, I mean what else is it about, right? Genocide is wrong because it's just pure evil, no explanation needed, but I do see what you mean, they didn't talk about it a lot in the show.
Mar 6, 2023 8:43 AM
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I’ve put myself behind so many layers of irony when it comes to just the ending of AOT I don’t even know what I like/dislike about the show anymore.
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i dont like how long they are taking to finiah the show... i feel bad for animeonlies
Mar 6, 2023 8:46 AM
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LucisCael said:
deg said:


heck im open if Isayama mention that about evolution and safety of humanity but no we just see Hange saying its wrong thats mostly about it
Lowkey you're right, I do think that they should've made it more clear, but at the same time it's pretty obvious why they're stopping the genocide, it's way too obvious that it's about humanity's safety, I mean what else is it about, right? Genocide is wrong because it's just pure evil, no explanation needed, but I do see what you mean, they didn't talk about it a lot in the show.


plus Isayama gave Eren this cool lines to justify genocide more like
"i keep moving forward until all my enemies are destroyed"
"if we kill all our enemies will we be free?"
and worst of all


so ye it just leave a bad taste for me seeing how heroic genocide is on this manga
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what i don't like?

hmm,

of course some of the characters, many are bland and/or getting on my nerves. i really wanted to like Mikasa, but well....
hey at least she got better in the final season.

and of course some people of the fandom who are supportive about the genocide, and i don't talk about the "its fiction anyway, and i want to see what happen, so yes, i'm for Eren" no i'm talking about very creepy and fanatic people, who i'm not sure they are just trolling or they serious..

also the outlines, special in the first season, they were far too thick, i didn't like them.

 
also the lines over/under the eyes of the characters Mappa used, i get it the characters are done and have some serious ptsd problems, but this stylistic device has worn out for me.



yeah but in the end of the day i have more problems with some of the "fans" as with AoT itself.


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deg said:
LucisCael said:
Personally I wouldn't call their reasoning "weak", they literally want to save humanity which is what the Survey Corps did from the beginning of the story. Wanting to stop a genocide to ensure the safety and evolution of humanity is a pretty solid and understandable reason albeit generic.


heck im open if Isayama mention that about evolution and safety of humanity but no we just see Hange saying its wrong thats mostly about it

Well... It is wrong
Mar 6, 2023 9:13 AM
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Dragevard said:
Is it b/c it went full battle shounen? Is it the Avenger fighting despite not having a solution to the World vs Paradis problem? The Rumbling?

if i have to point something out Is just how the side cast has a low amount of character development but i mean... it's fucking perfect everywhere else, who cares
Mar 6, 2023 9:14 AM
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ktg said:
After S4 the story turned into a pretty illogical mess. Even the new episode was a joke compared to the first 3 season.

apparently you did not understand anything
Mar 6, 2023 9:15 AM
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the fandom, shitkasa, the last arc, the dogshit writing, the plot armor, bad power system

r u being serious?
Mar 6, 2023 9:17 AM
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Daniele_Raffo said:

r u being serious?

piangi fanboy coglione

vabbè con questa tua uscita direi che hai reso chiaro di essere un idiota decerebrato che non è in grado di pensare
Mar 6, 2023 9:18 AM
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smashsalmon said:
deg said:


heck im open if Isayama mention that about evolution and safety of humanity but no we just see Hange saying its wrong thats mostly about it

Well... It is wrong


i know but the manga has no elaboration or better justification on why its wrong we just see Hange saying its wrong thats it
Mar 6, 2023 9:23 AM
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After rumbling aot lost its peak
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After rumbling aot lost its peak

no It doesn't trust me
Mar 6, 2023 9:55 AM

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I find how the logic of this series is funny. That's it. This is a point I like. Nothing to dislike.

Mar 6, 2023 10:07 AM
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S4 p1 tbh, loving p2 and 3 tho
Mar 6, 2023 10:19 AM

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bravo chapter 139, you made all of the previous arc worthless.

have no complaints on cgi
Mar 6, 2023 11:07 AM
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2 things, I don’t like the eldians being essentially self hating jews in ww2, and I don’t like the excessive screaming.
Mar 6, 2023 11:11 AM
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I came to watch Eren supremacy, but had to bear through watching a Marvel Avengers spinoff. Seriously, when will this side-character shitshow finally end?
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I hate armin that's it for me

"๐˜๐˜ฆ๐˜บ, ๐˜๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ช... ๐˜•๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ต ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ, ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ข ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ."
โป๐˜•๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ข ๐˜–๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ฌ๐˜ช
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I fucking despise the fandom and the pure bile that spawned from it, and I'm not a fan with how the production committee handled the series. literally the only 2 things I don't like about AoT. But at the same time I'm growing to like the fandom more and and more just because my favourite series of all time is still getting talked about and discussed all these years later, for better or for worse
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ktg said:
After S4 the story turned into a pretty illogical mess. Even the new episode was a joke compared to the first 3 season.

It wasn't illogical at all. I think at that point you just have to admit the story either went over your head or you just dont like comlpex writing 
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2 things, I don’t like the eldians being essentially self hating jews in ww2, and I don’t like the excessive screaming.
Quite a reach. The story makes parallels to ww2 but to say Eldians are essentialy self hating jews is devoid of any literary analysis
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FlowerDemo said:
2 things, I don’t like the eldians being essentially self hating jews in ww2, and I don’t like the excessive screaming.
Quite a reach. The story makes parallels to ww2 but to say Eldians are essentialy self hating jews is devoid of any literary analysis

Especially when it comes to the euthaniziation plan, its most noticeable. The people who support that want to stop their bloodline from being able to have children in order to essentially stop being a threat to everyone else, thus ending the hate towards them. To say they’re self hating jews is a little bit pretentious of me but they’re goal is literally to kill off their own bloodline so that the people who have persecuted them can lead better and safer lives. And, this wouldn’t really be a problem if it didn’t make so many comparisons to ww2, but because it does it just feels like a message that things would be better the jews hadn’t existed in the first place.

And I get the whole clashing ideals thing it’s going for, but the way I look at it, it feels like the rumbling is actually the best idea, at least from the perspective of the eldians.
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Aot is for the most part a pretty linear storyline. But every1 who knows how it ends will know that just watching aot anime week by week will just lead to that ending.

I mean you can guess it by now.

Also they should have shown how the wall titans are made, whether or not if they eat a shifter will they become human.

Isayama could have used the wall titans to effectively get people from the past yet he chose not to

I also say the series as a whole is not very marketable now and the character designs kind of suck. Most people want an ending akin to fast five.
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The way the releases are and the fanbase ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ‘
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genocide justification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_justification

sure i love characters like Thanos but to make genocide justification heroic as much as possible is so bad

but im not saying to censor this show though

Eren is literally the enemy
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FlowerDemo said:
moptop2 said:
Quite a reach. The story makes parallels to ww2 but to say Eldians are essentialy self hating jews is devoid of any literary analysis

Especially when it comes to the euthaniziation plan, its most noticeable. The people who support that want to stop their bloodline from being able to have children in order to essentially stop being a threat to everyone else, thus ending the hate towards them. To say they’re self hating jews is a little bit pretentious of me but they’re goal is literally to kill off their own bloodline so that the people who have persecuted them can lead better and safer lives. And, this wouldn’t really be a problem if it didn’t make so many comparisons to ww2, but because it does it just feels like a message that things would be better the jews hadn’t existed in the first place.

And I get the whole clashing ideals thing it’s going for, but the way I look at it, it feels like the rumbling is actually the best idea, at least from the perspective of the eldians.
The only two characters in the show who outright support the euthanization plan are Zeke and Ksaver who were victims and witnesses to atrocities based on their identity as Eldians alone. It's internalized racism that these characters who support the euthanization plan suffer from, a very real thing that they've portrayed here. The rest of the characters who don't support Eren just don't support The Rumbling as well. Nowhere in the show does it endorse the euthanization plan or Zeke's ideals. If thats the message you've received from the show then you've failed to properly analyze the media. The claim "things would be better if jews hadn't existed in the first place" is completely unsupported by the show even if you want to make the reach that "Eldians are essentially Jewish people"

We'll have to wait for the conclusion to see what the best idea would be but there are many characters painted in a positive light who opposed both the euthanization plan and the rumbling
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That's such a Trademark Dragevard Thread, right to the backwards title and negative, delusional implications :) It's not quite mega trolling, but troll enough to get people heated up. Plus, of course, you  did the exact same Thread probably about 10 Times already, worded slightly different. Genius.

Well done.
You're keeping it real xD

Get a Life^^
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people hate on aot just cause they think they are special and the exception to the social norm. thats why there is so much stupid hate for popular mainstream animes, just so that people can think that their opinion is the most special. 
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