Attack on Titan
| what i like the most about aot is that eren is the protagonist until s3p2 where you get to see the story from the other perspective so you're totally free to choose your own protagonist. but, to me, no one is in the wrong in this story. frieda's conspiracy is absolutely not ok bcs no one should suffer for what their ancestors did. zeke is also mistaken to think that racial cleansing is fine for whatever reason. eren even disagrees with his own plan. but I think it's safe to say eren is the only one who's able to set things right as he has the power to do so. |
skywattJan 31, 2022 11:07 AM
“this world is merciless, and it’s also very beautiful”  |
troilus_05s said: aka_panda said: So ? They weren't doing anything. The current inhabitants of paradis have nothin to do with this. Hell marley started the invasion just so they could steal the founder titan and be more powerful (as the world was advancing in anti-titan weapons) aka eldian empire 2.0 but a little less violent. They justified their invasion by sugarcoating it as eldians being a potential threat. Can zeke's plan solve this ? Yes. 100% But why the fuck would one sacrifice himself so that his enemies can live in peace huhhhh ? Eren is wrong in here too. Both the brothers are wrong. But a normal human would always choose self preservation over self harm Edit - Not gonna bother replying to anyone anymore. This whole thing is stupid. Marley was wrong. Eren is wrong. The World is right. You are looking it from Eren's perspective and even from his perspective, his plan is atrocious. From a larger perspective, the world surviving is better. Zeke's plan ensures that. Assuming that AoT's world is similar to ours in technological development, they are a decade or two before nukes. So Zeke's plan doesn't make sense logistically let alone ethically. A nation of 1 million people industrializing means nothing when a billion people want to kill you. The sterile and aging Eldians will not be able to protect themselves against weaponry of that caliber (nukes/modern bombers) with the outdated titan powers and make no mistake the world would attack them regardless if they are sterile or not. There is nothing "better" in Zeke's plan other than number of deaths. And utilitarianism is a moronic ideology as it ignores basic human nature. Eldians will not take one for team (ie a result with less deaths). They have only one card to play (with an expiration date). |
| Side eren because I care more about the characters we have been with for 3 seasons than the people of Marley who have had one season of screen time. |
| The eldians on Marley. Simply because of Mikasa's entire existence. |
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| damn that poll so many Hitler wannabes /s should we kill all people because of fake news spreading? Gabi realize its fake news that they are devils |
degJan 31, 2022 1:35 PM
| I'm a nihilist irl, but I don't compare rl with aot's world; it's literally fiction. I root for omnicide outside the walls, trample all. |
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| Eren because he is doing the right thing. Eldians are not responsible for what their ancestors did 1000 years ago and they even had their memories deleted so they don't even know what their predecessors did wrong. I think Zeke is wrong because he wants to make his people suffer less by ending his race with euthanization. Why should the victim of genocide pay with their life so the aggressor can be happy? Just like Eren said: If they want to take my freedom, I will not hesitate to take theirs; which is a saying you should live by. |
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majinale said: troilus_05s said: Marley was wrong. Eren is wrong. The World is right. You are looking it from Eren's perspective and even from his perspective, his plan is atrocious. From a larger perspective, the world surviving is better. Zeke's plan ensures that. Assuming that AoT's world is similar to ours in technological development, they are a decade or two before nukes. So Zeke's plan doesn't make sense logistically let alone ethically. A nation of 1 million people industrializing means nothing when a billion people want to kill you. The sterile and aging Eldians will not be able to protect themselves against weaponry of that caliber (nukes/modern bombers) with the outdated titan powers and make no mistake the world would attack them regardless if they are sterile or not. There is nothing "better" in Zeke's plan other than number of deaths. And utilitarianism is a moronic ideology as it ignores basic human nature. Eldians will not take one for team (ie a result with less deaths). They have only one card to play (with an expiration date). Assuming AoT's world is similar to ours is wrong. Anyway, Zeke's plan also includes passing down the Beast to Historia and all that stuff to ensure Eldians can still carry out the Rumbling. And the scale of the Rumbling is too big. It is impossible to stop it. The Founding Titan can make any and as many titans as it wants. It will take an instant for the Founding Titan to make 10000 new Colossal Titans. The number of deaths being astronomically less is not "only". I am looking from a neutral perspective and I would rather like it if billions of innocent people won't die. Zeke's plan is the lesser of two evils. The 50 year plan was the best but they failed to carry it out. |
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troilus_05s said: majinale said: Assuming that AoT's world is similar to ours in technological development, they are a decade or two before nukes. So Zeke's plan doesn't make sense logistically let alone ethically. A nation of 1 million people industrializing means nothing when a billion people want to kill you. The sterile and aging Eldians will not be able to protect themselves against weaponry of that caliber (nukes/modern bombers) with the outdated titan powers and make no mistake the world would attack them regardless if they are sterile or not. There is nothing "better" in Zeke's plan other than number of deaths. And utilitarianism is a moronic ideology as it ignores basic human nature. Eldians will not take one for team (ie a result with less deaths). They have only one card to play (with an expiration date). Assuming AoT's world is similar to ours is wrong. Anyway, Zeke's plan also includes passing down the Beast to Historia and all that stuff to ensure Eldians can still carry out the Rumbling. And the scale of the Rumbling is too big. It is impossible to stop it. The Founding Titan can make any and as many titans as it wants. It will take an instant for the Founding Titan to make 10000 new Colossal Titans. The number of deaths being astronomically less is not "only". I am looking from a neutral perspective and I would rather like it if billions of innocent people won't die. Zeke's plan is the lesser of two evils. The 50 year plan was the best but they failed to carry it out. Assuming that the age of titan domination in combat is coming to an end because of technology is not even speculative. It has been stated in the story already. From what we have seen AoT world resembles ours almost one to one technologically, aside from titans and some imaginary earth minerals. The 50 year plan is infeasible. Zeke's plan is not the lesser of two evils, it's equally evil at best. The Eldians aren't the ones instigating the conflict in the current time period of that world. Placing yourself as the impartial observer by just counting the number of deaths and deciding the most "moral" outcome is kind of pointless. The outcome is binary , genocide vs genocide. For the thread's poll i unironically believe that choosing the side based on the characters you like is a more valid argument. |
majinale said: troilus_05s said: Assuming AoT's world is similar to ours is wrong. Anyway, Zeke's plan also includes passing down the Beast to Historia and all that stuff to ensure Eldians can still carry out the Rumbling. And the scale of the Rumbling is too big. It is impossible to stop it. The Founding Titan can make any and as many titans as it wants. It will take an instant for the Founding Titan to make 10000 new Colossal Titans. The number of deaths being astronomically less is not "only". I am looking from a neutral perspective and I would rather like it if billions of innocent people won't die. Zeke's plan is the lesser of two evils. The 50 year plan was the best but they failed to carry it out. Assuming that the age of titan domination in combat is coming to an end because of technology is not even speculative. It has been stated in the story already. From what we have seen AoT world resembles ours almost one to one technologically, aside from titans and some imaginary earth minerals. The 50 year plan is infeasible. Zeke's plan is not the lesser of two evils, it's equally evil at best. The Eldians aren't the ones instigating the conflict in the current time period of that world. Placing yourself as the impartial observer by just counting the number of deaths and deciding the most "moral" outcome is kind of pointless. The outcome is binary , genocide vs genocide. For the thread's poll i unironically believe that choosing the side based on the characters you like is a more valid argument. The manga mentioned the 50 year plan is feasible. The Paradis Government and their allies had made the plan together. There is no way to disprove it by saying the world is similar to ours. Plus, the "end of Titan domination" argument doesn't factor in the power of the Founding Titan and the Rumbling. The Rumbling is unstoppable. "Eldians aren't instigating conflict..." Ahem. Isn't Eren an Eldian? Eren getting the Founding was the reason Marley and other countries declared war. And Eren himself admitted he is a major threat to the world. And in response to the war declaration, he attacked a civilian zone, making things worse. It isn't pointless. Killing billions of innocent people vs killing a million innocent people. There is a BIG difference. Eldians are always a threat because the power can fall into the wrong hands. There is no guarantee. |
troilus_05sJan 31, 2022 5:59 PM
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| Frieda, because she's hot .... Same reason why people are supporting Eren...because he seems hot... |
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troilus_05s said: majinale said: Assuming that the age of titan domination in combat is coming to an end because of technology is not even speculative. It has been stated in the story already. From what we have seen AoT world resembles ours almost one to one technologically, aside from titans and some imaginary earth minerals. The 50 year plan is infeasible. Zeke's plan is not the lesser of two evils, it's equally evil at best. The Eldians aren't the ones instigating the conflict in the current time period of that world. Placing yourself as the impartial observer by just counting the number of deaths and deciding the most "moral" outcome is kind of pointless. The outcome is binary , genocide vs genocide. For the thread's poll i unironically believe that choosing the side based on the characters you like is a more valid argument. The manga mentioned the 50 year plan is feasible. The Paradis Government and their allies had made the plan together. There is no way to disprove it by saying the world is similar to ours. Plus, the "end of Titan domination" argument doesn't factor in the power of the Founding Titan and the Rumbling. The Rumbling is unstoppable. "Eldians aren't instigating conflict..." Ahem. Isn't Eren an Eldian? Eren getting the Founding was the reason Marley and other countries declared war. And Eren himself admitted he is a major threat to the world. And in response to the war declaration, he attacked a civilian zone, making things worse. It isn't pointless. Killing billions of innocent people vs killing a million innocent people. There is a BIG difference. Eldians are always a threat because the power can fall into the wrong hands. There is no guarantee. The 50 year plan is a byproduct of some of the characters in the series based on the knowledge that they have. It's the other way around of what you say, it's success rate is just speculation on their part and there are no indications that it will actually work other than their wishful thinking. Narrative wise it's just dramatic irony. I know that some things are subjective, we don't really have to agree. All i am saying is that euthanizing a whole race of people for the sake of the world, after treating them like less than human for a century mind you, isn't the lesser of two evils. That world is so rotten that perishing might be the better choice. |
majinaleJan 31, 2022 10:06 PM
troilus_05s said: Xilver said: I mean 5 guys with knifes are running at you to kill you, while you have a gun, it is immoral to use the gun and kill them? Absurd. It's not about numbers, the duty of every individual and country is to protect his/its life. The difference is that here it is billions of people. The entire world. Sure, but the choice is the same on the level of principle. Kill the many to save the few in case the many are the aggressors. I agree btw that the 50 year old plan is the best plan, i actually believe it has a decent shot of working because of how much of an evil empire marley is. Using mini-rumbling to play geopolitics, free ethnic minorities in marley and create buffer states between marley and paradis. All of that can work. Again the reason Eren rejected it was Historia. It's not about logic in this case, it's just about the kind of person Eren is. I'm not even gonna argue that it fits with the ending, it sort of doesn't. But that's still the established reason in-universe. |
majinale said: troilus_05s said: The manga mentioned the 50 year plan is feasible. The Paradis Government and their allies had made the plan together. There is no way to disprove it by saying the world is similar to ours. Plus, the "end of Titan domination" argument doesn't factor in the power of the Founding Titan and the Rumbling. The Rumbling is unstoppable. "Eldians aren't instigating conflict..." Ahem. Isn't Eren an Eldian? Eren getting the Founding was the reason Marley and other countries declared war. And Eren himself admitted he is a major threat to the world. And in response to the war declaration, he attacked a civilian zone, making things worse. It isn't pointless. Killing billions of innocent people vs killing a million innocent people. There is a BIG difference. Eldians are always a threat because the power can fall into the wrong hands. There is no guarantee. The 50 year plan is a byproduct of some of the characters in the series based on the knowledge that they have. It's the other way around of what you say, it's success rate is just speculation on their part and there are no indications that it will actually work other than their wishful thinking. Narrative wise it's just dramatic irony. I know that some things are subjective, we don't really have to agree. All i am saying is that euthanizing a whole race of people for the sake of the world, after treating them like less than human for a century mind you, isn't the lesser of two evils. That world is so rotten that perishing might be the better choice. And that same race treated many other countries like less than human for centuries. For over 1500 years. But that isn't the point. If I was in AoT, I would 99% not be an Eldian considering the population percentages. So, Zeke's plan is the best for me. From like 0.1% of the world's view, Eren is good. Those 0.1% are of course Eldians. And for the entire billions of innocent people, Eren is evil. He killed innocent people knowingly and it is undeniable. Also, well, if I was born in AoT, I would ~99% be a non Eldian (considering the population percentages) so I will become Eren's target for absolutely no reason when I have nothing to do with Eren nor the military of my country who opposed Eren. From a neutral point of view, the world is more important than a single race of people. Especially when the said race can turn into titans so is an active threat. "That world is so rotten that perishing might be the better choice." That's what Zeke said :P |
troilus_05sFeb 1, 2022 1:08 AM
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Fuhrer_Wrath said: troilus_05s said: The manga mentioned the 50 year plan is feasible. The Paradis Government and their allies had made the plan together. There is no way to disprove it by saying the world is similar to ours. Plus, the "end of Titan domination" argument doesn't factor in the power of the Founding Titan and the Rumbling. The Rumbling is unstoppable. "Eldians aren't instigating conflict..." Ahem. Isn't Eren an Eldian? Eren getting the Founding was the reason Marley and other countries declared war. And Eren himself admitted he is a major threat to the world. And in response to the war declaration, he attacked a civilian zone, making things worse. It isn't pointless. Killing billions of innocent people vs killing a million innocent people. There is a BIG difference. Eldians are always a threat because the power can fall into the wrong hands. There is no guarantee. Hanji herself says to Jean and Mikasa that the 50 year plan probably wouldn't have worked. She even accepts that the the reason Eren is doing the rumbling, is because she wasn't able to provide him with a feasible alternative. And Eren only attacked Leberio in retaliation and self defense, to take the Warhemmer Titan. Before that they were peacefully living on Paradis ignorant of the reality. Marley was the one that instigated the conflict and forced the Paradisians and specifically Eren to do what he did. And ethically speaking, there is no difference between kill a few hundred million people and a few billion people. They are both equally wrong. The both moment you step in the argument of genocide, the size of the genocided victims stops mattering. Marley's military attacked Paradis. Not the innocent Eldians living in Liberio who were killed in a terrorist attack by the great Eren Yeager. You are justifying killing innocent people of a country because of what their military did. And those innocent people here were Eldians, who were already oppressed in that said country. Yes, there is a difference. I don't know how you can't comprehend such an easy thing. There is a clear difference between killing a million people and killing billions of people. Especially when those billions of people have nothing to do with the conflict and are not a threat while the million Eldians can turn into titans depending on the whim of the one with the Founding Titan. From a neutral point of view, the world is more important than a single race of people. |
troilus_05sFeb 1, 2022 1:09 AM
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Fuhrer_Wrath said: troilus_05s said: Marley was wrong. Eren is wrong. The World is right. You are looking it from Eren's perspective and even from his perspective, his plan is atrocious. From a larger perspective, the world surviving is better. Zeke's plan ensures that. Eren killing billions is not justified. But Zeke genociding the entire Eldian race is also not justified. Both are morally wrong. And once you cross the line into genocide, there's no degree of how much genocide is okay and how much isn't. Once let go of moral standards and justify genocide. Then it doesn't matter wether you genocide a few hundren million people, or a few billion people. It matters. If you were to be born in AoT's world, statistically you have over 99% chance to be born as a non Eldian. You will want the Eldians dead then, won't you? Most of the people here supporting Eren will oppose him if they were born in AoT's world considering most of them would be Eren's target. Eldians are an active threat to the world. Who can turn into titans easily. The billions of innocent people are not a threat to the world. From a neutral point of view, the world is more important than a single race of people. |
troilus_05sFeb 1, 2022 1:09 AM
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| What really happened at the forest back in S2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrqZ80FvQDQ |
Riotingmei said: troilus_05s said: that island will never be a threat if Marley never try to get their hands on the founding Titan. Who's the wrong one now?The World was attacking them because they are a threat lol. Willy's speech is based on that. He literally says "There has been a rebel against peace, threatening the world." And Eren admits it. You were comparing two completely different things and then went on to call others stupid lol. And when did I say Marley was right? Never did I say that. Marley was wrong. Eren is wrong. The world is right. The world has billions of innocent people who have nothing to do with this and they are going to be Eren's target for absolutely no reason. If Eren was only attacking the world's militaries, I would not have minded but attacking and killing innocent civilians is horrible, unjustifiable and a war crime. Those civilians have got nothing to do with their military nor with Eren. Poor people. |
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Xilver said: Sure, but the choice is the same on the level of principle. Kill the many to save the few in case the many are the aggressors. I agree btw that the 50 year old plan is the best plan, i actually believe it has a decent shot of working because of how much of an evil empire marley is. Using mini-rumbling to play geopolitics, free ethnic minorities in marley and create buffer states between marley and paradis. All of that can work. Again the reason Eren rejected it was Historia. It's not about logic in this case, it's just about the kind of person Eren is. I'm not even gonna argue that it fits with the ending, it sort of doesn't. But that's still the established reason in-universe. Yes, agreed. The 50 year plan was the best one. Also, well, if I was born in AoT, I would ~99% be a non Eldian (considering the population percentages) so I will become Eren's target for absolutely no reason when I have nothing to do with Eren nor the military of my country who opposed Eren. From a neutral point of view, the world is more important than a single race of people. Especially when the said race can turn into titans on the whims on the great Eren Yeager. |
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troilus_05s said: Xilver said: Sure, but the choice is the same on the level of principle. Kill the many to save the few in case the many are the aggressors. I agree btw that the 50 year old plan is the best plan, i actually believe it has a decent shot of working because of how much of an evil empire marley is. Using mini-rumbling to play geopolitics, free ethnic minorities in marley and create buffer states between marley and paradis. All of that can work. Again the reason Eren rejected it was Historia. It's not about logic in this case, it's just about the kind of person Eren is. I'm not even gonna argue that it fits with the ending, it sort of doesn't. But that's still the established reason in-universe. Yes, agreed. The 50 year plan was the best one. Also, well, if I was born in AoT, I would ~99% be a non Eldian (considering the population percentages) so I will become Eren's target for absolutely no reason when I have nothing to do with Eren nor the military of my country who opposed Eren. From a neutral point of view, the world is more important than a single race of people. Especially when the said race can turn into titans on the whims on the great Eren Yeager. Well the military of your country is right to be cautious of Eldians, it's not like they don't have a point. So as a citizen i don't believe it's right to completely wash your hands. The world is not like that. The world was right to fear Eldians, and especially the founding titan. And Eren was right to assume that they will always fear Eldians, and it cannot be any other way. It's not like there's an answer to it. You can have faith, that all the sides will understand this, and be mature & moral. But as the leader, the top guy of your country you cannot allow yourself that, you are responsible for millions of life. Leaders must make tough decisions to defend their nations, and national interests. All the sides must be understood, military and leaders have their valid side. I feel like sometimes when things already went so wrong as they did, then there are no longer right answers left. There isn't always an escape, or an answer, sometimes it's a checkmate. And Eren did what he did because he is Eren. Karl Fritz the pacifist king ultimately is the reason why the situation is unsolvable. He didn't need to destroy the empire in such a matter, basically dooming his own people to annihilation in the future. He could have destroyed the empire to create a federation. Stopping the oppression without dooming his own people to oppression. Eren was born into the predicament he was, and he chose to fight. His incredible fighting spirit is his defining characteristic. That's why people love him. But well, you know the ending. I don't know if seeing things from neutral position is truly possible here. There are too many things at play, too many philosophies, too many moral frameworks and value priorities. |
XilverFeb 1, 2022 1:31 AM
troilus_05s said: Fuhrer_Wrath said: Hanji herself says to Jean and Mikasa that the 50 year plan probably wouldn't have worked. She even accepts that the the reason Eren is doing the rumbling, is because she wasn't able to provide him with a feasible alternative. And Eren only attacked Leberio in retaliation and self defense, to take the Warhemmer Titan. Before that they were peacefully living on Paradis ignorant of the reality. Marley was the one that instigated the conflict and forced the Paradisians and specifically Eren to do what he did. And ethically speaking, there is no difference between kill a few hundred million people and a few billion people. They are both equally wrong. The both moment you step in the argument of genocide, the size of the genocided victims stops mattering. Marley's military attacked Paradis. Not the innocent Eldians living in Liberio who were killed in a terrorist attack by the great Eren Yeager. You are justifying killing innocent people of a country because of what their military did. And those innocent people here were Eldians, who were already oppressed in that said country. Yes, there is a difference. I don't know how you can't comprehend such an easy thing. There is a clear difference between killing a million people and killing billions of people. Especially when those billions of people have nothing to do with the conflict and are not a threat while the million Eldians can turn into titans depending on the whim of the one with the Founding Titan. From a neutral point of view, the world is more important than a single race of people. It's not that your concept is difficult to grasp, like bigger number = worse. It's just that i disagree. The biological imperative of self presentation is not immoral. The flaw in your logic is that you try to quantify human misfortune (which is the main reason utilitarianism is a trash ideology in practice). |
Xilver said: troilus_05s said: Yes, agreed. The 50 year plan was the best one. Also, well, if I was born in AoT, I would ~99% be a non Eldian (considering the population percentages) so I will become Eren's target for absolutely no reason when I have nothing to do with Eren nor the military of my country who opposed Eren. From a neutral point of view, the world is more important than a single race of people. Especially when the said race can turn into titans on the whims on the great Eren Yeager. Well the military of your country is right to be cautious of Eldians, it's not like they don't have a point. So as a citizen i don't believe it's right to completely wash your hands. The world is not like that. The world was right to fear Eldians, and especially the founding titan. And Eren was right to assume that they will always fear Eldians, and it cannot be any other way. It's not like there's an answer to it. You can have faith, that all the sides will understand this, and be mature & moral. But as the leader, the top guy of your country you cannot allow yourself that, you are responsible for millions of life. Leaders must make tough decisions to defend their nations, and national interests. All the sides must be understood, military and leaders have their valid side. I feel like sometimes when things already went so wrong as they did, then there are no longer right answers left. There isn't always an escape, or an answer, sometimes it's a checkmate. And Eren did what he did because he is Eren. Karl Fritz the pacifist king ultimately is the reason why the situation is unsolvable. He didn't need to destroy the empire in such a matter, basically dooming his own people to annihilation in the future. He could have destroyed the empire to create a federation. Stopping the oppression without dooming his own people to oppression. Eren was born into the predicament he was, and he chose to fight. His incredible fighting spirit is his defining characteristic. That's why people love him. But well, you know the ending. I don't know if seeing things from neutral position is truly possible here. There are too many things at play, too many philosophies, too many moral frameworks and value priorities. |
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majinale said: troilus_05s said: Marley's military attacked Paradis. Not the innocent Eldians living in Liberio who were killed in a terrorist attack by the great Eren Yeager. You are justifying killing innocent people of a country because of what their military did. And those innocent people here were Eldians, who were already oppressed in that said country. Yes, there is a difference. I don't know how you can't comprehend such an easy thing. There is a clear difference between killing a million people and killing billions of people. Especially when those billions of people have nothing to do with the conflict and are not a threat while the million Eldians can turn into titans depending on the whim of the one with the Founding Titan. From a neutral point of view, the world is more important than a single race of people. It's not that your concept is difficult to grasp, like bigger number = worse. It's just that i disagree. The biological imperative of self presentation is not immoral. The flaw in your logic is that you try to quantify human misfortune (which is the main reason utilitarianism is a trash ideology in practice). You really think killing a single person is the same as killing one thousand people? Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree here. I will any day choose the entire world over a single race. |
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troilus_05s said: Xilver said: Well the military of your country is right to be cautious of Eldians, it's not like they don't have a point. So as a citizen i don't believe it's right to completely wash your hands. The world is not like that. The world was right to fear Eldians, and especially the founding titan. And Eren was right to assume that they will always fear Eldians, and it cannot be any other way. It's not like there's an answer to it. You can have faith, that all the sides will understand this, and be mature & moral. But as the leader, the top guy of your country you cannot allow yourself that, you are responsible for millions of life. Leaders must make tough decisions to defend their nations, and national interests. All the sides must be understood, military and leaders have their valid side. I feel like sometimes when things already went so wrong as they did, then there are no longer right answers left. There isn't always an escape, or an answer, sometimes it's a checkmate. And Eren did what he did because he is Eren. Karl Fritz the pacifist king ultimately is the reason why the situation is unsolvable. He didn't need to destroy the empire in such a matter, basically dooming his own people to annihilation in the future. He could have destroyed the empire to create a federation. Stopping the oppression without dooming his own people to oppression. Eren was born into the predicament he was, and he chose to fight. His incredible fighting spirit is his defining characteristic. That's why people love him. But well, you know the ending. I don't know if seeing things from neutral position is truly possible here. There are too many things at play, too many philosophies, too many moral frameworks and value priorities. You really think killing a single person is the same as killing one thousand people? Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree here. I will any day choose the entire world over a single race. I told you that we don't have to agree. At least now we know what we are disagreeing on. |
majinaleFeb 1, 2022 1:51 AM
Glad someone agrees lol Everyone is like "next episode is gonna be peak, then it goes downhill until 131". Sure, I agree next episode will adapt some of the best scenes in AoT, just like the previous 2 eps, but I honestly can't wait for 124 - 129 |
| What really happened at the forest back in S2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrqZ80FvQDQ |
Louro_8 said: Glad someone agrees lol Everyone is like "next episode is gonna be peak, then it goes downhill until 131". Sure, I agree next episode will adapt some of the best scenes in AoT, just like the previous 2 eps, but I honestly can't wait for 124 - 129 To be fair, the current episodes are the climax of the whole story. The resolution that comes after that is either good or bad depending on where you stand. |
Jabungus said: Louro_8 said: Glad someone agrees lol Everyone is like "next episode is gonna be peak, then it goes downhill until 131". Sure, I agree next episode will adapt some of the best scenes in AoT, just like the previous 2 eps, but I honestly can't wait for 124 - 129 Yeah, 127 especially is such a good chapter Yeah that's the best moment from those chapters |
| What really happened at the forest back in S2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrqZ80FvQDQ |
majinale said: Louro_8 said: Glad someone agrees lol Everyone is like "next episode is gonna be peak, then it goes downhill until 131". Sure, I agree next episode will adapt some of the best scenes in AoT, just like the previous 2 eps, but I honestly can't wait for 124 - 129 To be fair, the current episodes are the climax of the whole story. The resolution that comes after that is either good or bad depending on where you stand. I agree. It's just that I also really like chapters 124 - 129, which many manga readers seem not to like that much. The only weird one is honestly 126, but I hope MAPPA rearranges it somehow |
| What really happened at the forest back in S2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrqZ80FvQDQ |
troilus_05s said: Xilver said: Well the military of your country is right to be cautious of Eldians, it's not like they don't have a point. So as a citizen i don't believe it's right to completely wash your hands. The world is not like that. The world was right to fear Eldians, and especially the founding titan. And Eren was right to assume that they will always fear Eldians, and it cannot be any other way. It's not like there's an answer to it. You can have faith, that all the sides will understand this, and be mature & moral. But as the leader, the top guy of your country you cannot allow yourself that, you are responsible for millions of life. Leaders must make tough decisions to defend their nations, and national interests. All the sides must be understood, military and leaders have their valid side. I feel like sometimes when things already went so wrong as they did, then there are no longer right answers left. There isn't always an escape, or an answer, sometimes it's a checkmate. And Eren did what he did because he is Eren. Karl Fritz the pacifist king ultimately is the reason why the situation is unsolvable. He didn't need to destroy the empire in such a matter, basically dooming his own people to annihilation in the future. He could have destroyed the empire to create a federation. Stopping the oppression without dooming his own people to oppression. Eren was born into the predicament he was, and he chose to fight. His incredible fighting spirit is his defining characteristic. That's why people love him. But well, you know the ending. I don't know if seeing things from neutral position is truly possible here. There are too many things at play, too many philosophies, too many moral frameworks and value priorities. |
1Kyo said: Nah there ain't 7 billion population in aot's world.It is very worrying that 80% think genocide of 7 billion people is the morally right thing to do here. |
| not both both are shit the one who have founding titan is your younger brother, cry about it, your euthanasia won't work, even though you get a lucky deus ex machina, why would you expect too high over doing an euthanasia for paradis while you know your hopes won't be fullfilled 70% One didn't fullfilled the task or even didn't wanted rumbling at start, in the end it was a bullshit all along |
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| even though eren is my top 10 char i'd go with zeke |
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