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Jan 22, 2021 6:24 PM
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FireFistYK said:
I've never understood critique in form of questions regarding a characters motive or development when your 3 episodes in to the series

I mean, why would anyone expect the author to reveal why Hinami is helping Tomozaki this early on when it's related to her character as a whole? Or why Tomozaki is kinda cringe this early on when he's clearly in the learning phase?

Sometimes it just seems like people hate on shows just to convince them self that they're intellectual or they're just not into the genre


It just looks like a lot of people don't like a MC with actual real problems. I'm 27 and honestly there's a lot about Tomozaki I relate to, not everything but his struggles are real. Although I am not as bad as Tomozaki (and I also have to deal with mental health), but a lot of people really don't realise that social interactions don't come easy to everyone.

There are some aspects to Hinami that I'm not keen on, but it'll likely be explained later in the show and it's also there just to move the plot along. A lot of people had problems with Rental Girlfriend, and while that had a lot of problems with its MC, it seems like others are again going "What's the problem? This should be easy for a guy!" (Not helpful).

Things don't come natural to some people of any age and things happen in life. Some people also need a push or help, but are afraid of asking because they don't want to be a bother. And like DirectorK said, some of these people are reminded of a worst time in their life and it probably hurts to be reminded. Honestly, one day I'll look to where I was now and be grateful I struggled so that I could look at the problem and push forward.

People are just judgemental, people like Tomozaki are real (some are even worst), and their struggles don't make them pathetic or a wimp, they're struggling for a reason.
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Having watched the 3rd episode so far, I'm liking the premise of this show ...using video game progression techniques to level up yourself socially in real life. I like how Hinami is essentially a trainer/wingman to Tomozaki-kun. I'm low-key hoping that Hinami ends up falling for MC, but I guess that would be too cliche/obvious. Since they're practicing all kinds of stuff, I wonder if they can practice some physical stuff? heh

If they can redo that restaurant scene (when Hinami asks Tomozaki if Fuka is cute), Tomozaki would say yes but then interject that he considers Hinami to be cute as well.
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BetaMaleUltra said:
..... ok so this is an absolutely fine anime, totally decent, nothing as of yet that I can fairly nitpick on it.

But the overall premise, of this dude basically learning not to be a baby anymore, is just, painful. We're meant to see him grow out of this as the show progresses, but just going through this, again, is kind of painful to watch. This whole situation is pathetic really, imho. Shut-in guy who is really good at smash bros but can't talk to people must overcome his weakness and, talk to people. sigh. The hot chick helping him through this is wholesome, but what about this entertaining exactly, is it supposed to be funny? I'd hope not, for the poor guy. They are definitely trying to crack some humor as he tries to be social, but it's falling flat. Maybe you're enjoying this and having fun, but for me this isn't fun at all, instead making me cringe straight through. Calling all these goals as tasks that just have to be checked off basically turn our mc into a robot with zero depth.

Maybe you can enjoy this because you can relate to our main character, or understand what he's going through. Problem is, his unsociable aspect to his character is just so extreme it's hard to get a grasp on it and thus hard to get behind and sympathize with. Like it's just seriously miserably pathetic it gives me physical pain. Oh he talked to his sister?? WOW! Progress! He is an actual person now! Nice!!!! If you're enjoying this I really don't want to rain on your parade but I'm just trying to find for myself why anyone would like this, sorry.

Dude's barely even putting any effort into it himself, sure he tries to say hi a couple times, but mostly he's just getting handheld and spoonfed like a baby on what to do by chick I forget her name. Even at the end of this episode he was walking away from an opportunity, and it's the girl herself who strikes up a conversation, not him. Call me cold hearted but dude should really just go back to being shut in hardcore gamer

That said, just like stuff such as rent-a-girlfriend that were also a painful watch, I will continue watching this because I am indeed curious to see how events will unfold, no matter the pain I have to endure. Hey at least his hair looks like not trash anymore!


I don't really agree with him not putting effort himself, as you can see Hinami just give him the quest, it's entirely up to him to finish it or run away. Also, maybe you need to rewatch it since you got it wrong, if it's not for Tomozaki striking up conversation first at the end of episode, she probably wouldn't ask her to teach Atafami. And I think you're going to retract that statement when you see Tomozaki putting a lot of efforts later and not just spoonfed by Hinami.

For me, the physical pain is stronger with Kazuya, on the other hand I think Tomozaki's not as bad and as pathetic as Kazuya. And he already showed incremental progress.
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This still reminds me of School Days but without the crap and how it ended.
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Hanami is climbing the ladder of my 20 most hated anime character list
Jan 22, 2021 6:45 PM
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el_morris said:
This still reminds me of School Days but without the crap and how it ended.


Nice Boat is not upcoming.....at least I don't imagine that it is in the future....lol.
This does have a few character vibes from School Days. I hadn't thought about it, but now that you mention it I can feel a few.
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AgehaYoru said:

I don't really agree with him not putting effort himself, as you can see Hinami just give him the quest, it's entirely up to him to finish it or run away. Also, maybe you need to rewatch it since you got it wrong, if it's not for Tomozaki striking up conversation first at the end of episode, she probably wouldn't ask her to teach Atafami. And I think you're going to retract that statement when you see Tomozaki putting a lot of efforts later and not just spoonfed by Hinami.

For me, the physical pain is stronger with Kazuya, on the other hand I think Tomozaki's not as bad and as pathetic as Kazuya. And he already showed incremental progress.


That's all true, but I wasn't trashing on tomozaki's character specifically. Kazuya was a way more obnoxious and unbearable character; like you just want to isekai yourself into his world and give him a world champion level slap to the face. Tomozaki is a perfectly fine dude, socially inept and disabled, but at least his character is innocent.

My problem is with the premise, the overall scenario is what's painful. Socially, the dude's a baby and needs guidance by someone the same age as him... kind of sad bro. And yeah you're right he is trying and making progress, and that yes perhaps he did MAYBE make izumi speak up at the end there because of his prior attempts to talk to her, he STILL did kind of give up there and walk away. Guess that's not a bad thing, guy's still struggling and needs the support of others. Thing is he's getting overwhelming support from just about everyone to the point that he's playing the game of life on the easiest difficulty. Is there really gonna be any real growth if you stay on easy mode

idk it really is just me, but I can barely watch baby in grown ass dude: the anime. BUT it IS interesting enough for me to want to see how it unfolds. Can't wait for the next episode, I guess.


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Jan 22, 2021 7:02 PM

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First anime to make me physically cringe in a while.
Jan 22, 2021 7:37 PM

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I like girls like Kikuchi tbh, she's cute and I like the way she talks, and it turns out that she writes novels.

Tomozaki looks even better with his new hairstyle
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ya know it really isn't that bad so far. the manga was so rarely updated that i don't actually remember what happens. it's a bit hard to watch considering the absolute shambolic introvercy, but i do think that this series has potential. as long as they actually make it decently long and not just 12 episodes.
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Apparently, Aoi life lesson dealt much faster than i thought. Its impacted a lot with those two nearby girls. He finally got Yuzu attention and more closer to Fuuka side of attraction by inviting him to read her novel, as if those fate meeting not just a mere coincidence. Tomozaki even got his little sister acknowledgement. Silly, as a classic rom-com to be. Lmao. I wonder what kind of deal that Yuzu had in the end? Somehow, Tomozaki's sensitivity paid so good to levelling up his tier. That's good.

Also, a little note that this whole life quest actually have so much fun. Even though in the end, Tomozaki doubt was understandable in the end. Its insincere, full of lies. Its back to his own decision to play along with it long enough until you've got a lot experience, or, you just busted it out at them to portray a good gentleman. Whatever it is, its a win-win solution. Ganbatte, Tomozaki! Do it awesomely!
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I like the harem-like situation this is taking, but man I hated seeing Tomozaki lie to Kikuchi like that lol, hopefully he’ll make it right at some point but I can see some drama come from this in the future.
Jan 22, 2021 9:32 PM
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ganuwoahh said:
ya know it really isn't that bad so far. the manga was so rarely updated that i don't actually remember what happens. it's a bit hard to watch considering the absolute shambolic introvercy, but i do think that this series has potential. as long as they actually make it decently long and not just 12 episodes.


At this pace, the anime is going to adapt the first three volumes of the LN. And as a LN reader, I can say it's a perfect place to end the anime adaptation since the first three volumes are just the "beginning" or intro to the series. Particularly, the third volume will be the game changer and turning point of the series.

The manga in Japan is still adapting volume 3, while the LN has been translated by YenPress up to volume 5. So even if the anime finished, you still have plenty of materials to read.
Jan 23, 2021 12:18 AM
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Feels like drama is brewing, at least Tomozaki has some conscience about being sincere.
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Well ... talking to the other girl could actually make Fuka (who is the real goal) get jealous/envious. At least if it happens in class. Cause they both seem to sit near the main. (That is why other girl asked Fuka for handkerchief in episode 1.)

Though Aoi could just have told Fuka that Tomozaki is her boyfriend when they suddenly met at the place she worked part-time. Lol. :D

Some stuff really is cringe yeah. When Tomozaki tries to talk to others that aren't Aoi or Fuka. Previous episode was a bit better here. But with the other girl he had to talk twice too ... was really weird.

I also think they will start with boys as well. But a bit later. If he got friends with the popular boys that would also make it easier for him to interact with girls. Maybe if he gets the shy girl (Fuka) as girlfriend he can appear more "normal" towards others and have it easier to get into conversations with the boys.
Jan 23, 2021 3:02 AM

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I like how at around 15:35 white hair girl just slides on over to Tomozaki. Made me laugh, but was obviously unintended lmao
Jan 23, 2021 5:37 AM

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The library scene with Kikuchi & Tomozaki was so adorable! I definitely think that Kikuchi has an interest in Tomozaki already, even if it's not exactly a crush. She's my favourite girl so far and I actually think the two would make a nice couple.

As a side note; After the way he acted in the clothes store and other factors I've seen in the last 2 eps, it seems like Tomo-kun is more than just 'anti-social'... it seems like he's actually suffering from Social Anxiety.
Jan 23, 2021 6:10 AM
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Wow, that Kikuchi is hella cute but let be honest, kinda obvious the author gonna pull the first girl win thing anyway. But still hoping for a surprise
Jan 23, 2021 6:37 AM

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Kayanon as Kikuchi aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <3

I need more of her. Feel like she's going to be best girl.

Looking forward to the next episodes.
Jan 23, 2021 6:44 AM

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Seeing a lot of comments, here and elsewhere, that Hinami is 'pushing' Tomozaki into the events of the series, or even more extreme, that she's deliberately moulding him to be her kind of guy.

This just isn't happening. At every point, it's Tomozaki that chooses to go through with it, as Hinami highlights at one point. Heck, she even gives him the opportunity to quit during their lunch. He's not being pushed, she's just presenting options that she thinks will work for him.

And it's also obvious how much leeway he has in the matter. Hinami doesn't choose his clothes for him - she tells him to base his outfit on a mannequin and leaves it up to him to pick. Hinami doesn't give him a step-by-step guide to conversation with Izumi - she just tells him to start one, and if he tanks, he tanks. Hinami doesn't even tell him to start a relationship with Kikuchi when the opportunity drops into his lap earlier than expected - she just tells him it's his decision to use the 'in' he lucked into or not, and that if he has a good time with her it's not like it'd erase that just because there was a misunderstanding to begin with.

Tomozaki has a lot of freedom. And, frankly, if Hinami wanted a boyfriend who was just her type she could get one.
Jan 23, 2021 6:56 AM

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forget Izumi.... first thing to do is get home and start reading all the books from that author, xD
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to be honest, Aoi characters type most thing I hate in my life, the type who acts like know everything and keep give others lessons

so I wish if MC will end with Fuuka but I don't think this possible
Jan 23, 2021 1:22 PM
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Izumi wants to learn how to play TrackFam for some reason - maybe she has the hots for the guy at school tomoyazi beat who's name eludes me.



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to be honest, Aoi characters type most thing I hate in my life, the type who acts like know everything and keep give others lessons

so I wish if MC will end with Fuuka but I don't think this possible


What are you saying, dude? Tomozaki x Fuuka is real, woohoo. Long live the ship.
Jan 23, 2021 6:20 PM

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Hmm, so Kikuchi likes Michael Andy's books... Maybe she'll be the first to take a ride on Tomozaki's luck dragon, eh?
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..... ok so this is an absolutely fine anime, totally decent, nothing as of yet that I can fairly nitpick on it.

But the overall premise, of this dude basically learning not to be a baby anymore, is just, painful. We're meant to see him grow out of this as the show progresses, but just going through this, again, is kind of painful to watch. This whole situation is pathetic really, imho. Shut-in guy who is really good at smash bros but can't talk to people must overcome his weakness and, talk to people. sigh. The hot chick helping him through this is wholesome, but what about this entertaining exactly, is it supposed to be funny? I'd hope not, for the poor guy. They are definitely trying to crack some humor as he tries to be social, but it's falling flat. Maybe you're enjoying this and having fun, but for me this isn't fun at all, instead making me cringe straight through. Calling all these goals as tasks that just have to be checked off basically turn our mc into a robot with zero depth.

Maybe you can enjoy this because you can relate to our main character, or understand what he's going through. Problem is, his unsociable aspect to his character is just so extreme it's hard to get a grasp on it and thus hard to get behind and sympathize with. Like it's just seriously miserably pathetic it gives me physical pain. Oh he talked to his sister?? WOW! Progress! He is an actual person now! Nice!!!! If you're enjoying this I really don't want to rain on your parade but I'm just trying to find for myself why anyone would like this, sorry.

Dude's barely even putting any effort into it himself, sure he tries to say hi a couple times, but mostly he's just getting handheld and spoonfed like a baby on what to do by chick I forget her name. Even at the end of this episode he was walking away from an opportunity, and it's the girl herself who strikes up a conversation, not him. Call me cold hearted but dude should really just go back to being shut in hardcore gamer

That said, just like stuff such as rent-a-girlfriend that were also a painful watch, I will continue watching this because I am indeed curious to see how events will unfold, no matter the pain I have to endure. Hey at least his hair looks like not trash anymore!


Hi everyone, I am a novel reader and a spoiler searcher of this novel. I see this post and I want to talk about what happens in the novel. Everything that I am going to say is to answer the question in this forum, why Aoi helps Tomozaki? Also, all the information is up to volume 9 of the light novel, I clarify this because there is still information that the author is going to show in future volumes. As well, forgive my English, isn't my native language. With this said let's begin!
SPOILER WARNING

Thanks for reading, I hope this clears some doubts. The story becomes more complex and develops with a high deepness of the characters, chapter by chapter, episode by episode. Continue watching it, it won't defraud you!
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Please use spoiler. I haven't started volume 9 yet.
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Please use spoiler. I haven't started volume 9 yet.


How can I use it? I am new here.

Thanks
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Please use spoiler. I haven't started volume 9 yet.


How can I use it? I am new here.

Thanks


When editing your post, click the BBCode and you'll see the guide on how to use spoiler tag.
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BetaMaleUltra said:
..... ok so this is an absolutely fine anime, totally decent, nothing as of yet that I can fairly nitpick on it.

But the overall premise, of this dude basically learning not to be a baby anymore, is just, painful. We're meant to see him grow out of this as the show progresses, but just going through this, again, is kind of painful to watch. This whole situation is pathetic really, imho. Shut-in guy who is really good at smash bros but can't talk to people must overcome his weakness and, talk to people. sigh. The hot chick helping him through this is wholesome, but what about this entertaining exactly, is it supposed to be funny? I'd hope not, for the poor guy. They are definitely trying to crack some humor as he tries to be social, but it's falling flat. Maybe you're enjoying this and having fun, but for me this isn't fun at all, instead making me cringe straight through. Calling all these goals as tasks that just have to be checked off basically turn our mc into a robot with zero depth.

Maybe you can enjoy this because you can relate to our main character, or understand what he's going through. Problem is, his unsociable aspect to his character is just so extreme it's hard to get a grasp on it and thus hard to get behind and sympathize with. Like it's just seriously miserably pathetic it gives me physical pain. Oh he talked to his sister?? WOW! Progress! He is an actual person now! Nice!!!! If you're enjoying this I really don't want to rain on your parade but I'm just trying to find for myself why anyone would like this, sorry.

Dude's barely even putting any effort into it himself, sure he tries to say hi a couple times, but mostly he's just getting handheld and spoonfed like a baby on what to do by chick I forget her name. Even at the end of this episode he was walking away from an opportunity, and it's the girl herself who strikes up a conversation, not him. Call me cold hearted but dude should really just go back to being shut in hardcore gamer

That said, just like stuff such as rent-a-girlfriend that were also a painful watch, I will continue watching this because I am indeed curious to see how events will unfold, no matter the pain I have to endure. Hey at least his hair looks like not trash anymore!


Hi everyone, I am a novel reader and a spoiler searcher of this novel. I see this post and I want to talk about what happens in the novel. Everything that I am going to say is to answer the question in this forum, why Aoi helps Tomozaki? Also, all the information is up to volume 9 of the light novel, I clarify this because there is still information that the author is going to show in future volumes. As well, forgive my English, isn't my native language. With this said let's begin!
SPOILER WARNING

Thanks for reading, I hope this clears some doubts. The story becomes more complex and develops with a high deepness of the characters, chapter by chapter, episode by episode. Continue watching it, it won't defraud you!


Thanks, even though it was spoilery your explanation helped clear up a lot of stuff I was having problems with, and even made it interesting; think I can actually get invested in this now. My thoughts were just based on the first few episodes that are released right now, my initial impressions of the show. I'm going in blind, so this is a whole new story for me. I know you gotta give most shows a chance to run its course so you can see what they really bring to the table, it's just that I wasn't liking the vibes I was getting from these first few episodes. Even if our socially disabled mc-kun does indeed grow as the story progresses, STILL can't get over how much of a baby this guy is. That said, I am going to watch this through and then give it a fair analysis by the end. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised, as I may be as what you said was fairly intriguing. Can't say I'm EXCITED for the next episode, but nonetheless I am looking forward to it in hopes of liking this story more.


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Very good episode, I enjoyed it. Tomozaki asking the shop clerk for the clothes on the mannequin and failing miserably is relatable as fuck.

I honestly don't think Hinami is forcing or manipulating Tomozaki or something like that. She's just guiding him and giving him a push forward, at the end of the day it's still Tomozaki's choice and his choice is improving himself.

Though Tomozaki trying to talk to Izumi was painful to watch lmao but it really do be like that, I didn't like how he lied to Kikuchi though, I hope he becomes honest with her eventually cause I like Kikuchi.
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This episode was okay. Nothing more really. I hope it doesn't go in the direction of "everyone likes loner boy".

That being said, I think it was pretty interesting seeing him start to wonder if it was right to be so insincere. I hope the anime follows that sub-plot more.
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uh...ok....I dunno about anyone else but that bit at the end with Izumi she was suddenly giving me Tsundere vibes I think.

Or at least, if we look at it in terms of a game/dating sim....that was totally an increase relationship event....perhaps from "regular passerby" to "friendly acquaintance" or something like that.....
Totally reminds me of my dating sim games....lol? Gotta love random events...
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that scene tomozaki was without questions.
Jan 25, 2021 2:35 AM
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Hinami is neither a Tsundere nor a Deredere , so what kind of Dere would Hinami be???

It can be mixed type if such classification can be made.
What is your idea of this ?

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So, next on Hinami's plan for Tomozaki is to make him have a conversation with Izumi, but it seem that it is also producing another result when Fuka talks to Tomozaki....

It seems that Hinami's plans will take unexpected results.
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In this episode, we got to see Tomo-zaki advance to the next task-Talk to Izumi twice a day and seems to have failed yet barely passed xD

The main heroine is now decided to be Fuuka! And she is kawaiii!!!

Something seems to be off with Izumi, let's see what it is in the next episode!
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Tomozaki-kun now on a journey to leveling up to be the best character in the so-called Game of Life and this time Fuuka Kikuchi will be the first heroine of this journey! xD

And also he's given a task to talk to Izumi twice a day, all of them failed! But you can still gain exp and keep going even if you have died one or more times!

And woaaaaaaaaaah, Izumi-chan wants to learn how to play Tackfam, that's interesting! I'm looking forward for this one!
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He's gonna pick the wrong girl, isn't he? Lmao.
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Tomozaki makes me cringe hard, honestly its painful to watch. I've seen children with better social skills. I'm still not sure what message this anime is trying to convey and I'm not sure I can be bothered to find out.
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Read the fucking books dude! It's cringe when you played like you have read the fucking books but then go on and on about how your not being sincere. Now that you've said it, you need to power read that shit like your loser ass life depends on it.
Why am I still watching this train wreck of a show, it's like starting a porno and finding out it's all dry humping while wearing hazmat suits!
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I feel like Hinami will get emotionally attached to Tomozaki. Kikuchi is quite cute tho ngl when she was talking about her favorite author.
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Tomozaki makes me cringe hard, honestly its painful to watch. I've seen children with better social skills. I'm still not sure what message this anime is trying to convey and I'm not sure I can be bothered to find out.


The message is don't be afraid of change and failure, keep improving yourself.
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I feel like Hinami will get emotionally attached to Tomozaki.


This seems to be happening already. Did you see Hinami's face when she found out Tomozaki was talking to Fuuka in the library? Her expression didn't seem happy about it, and yet it was progress for Tomozaki, and she was looking for some problems.
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I like this show man LMFAOOOO
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post makeover Tomozaki lookin good. Hinami really likes his butt...
kuudere library talk was adorbs. But all the Izumi talks got super awkward, she seems impatient & not want to talk. Maybe change his approach or 'game plan', like prepare & fully discuss 2 topics, instead of just 2 talks per day.
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I love the anime, but I'm really starting to hate Aoi with a passion.
Her way of thinking is backwards af, using Tomozaki as if she was playing a galge. I smell problems once Tomozaki gains confidence, and I hope she gets a nice slap on the face by one of the other girls at some point.
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Ohh damn our MC has gone through a drastic change!!

He really looks good now!!

Also Fuka x Tomozaki??? I don't ship this.... atleast not now!!



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AgehaYoru said:
Crashmatt said:
Tomozaki makes me cringe hard, honestly its painful to watch. I've seen children with better social skills. I'm still not sure what message this anime is trying to convey and I'm not sure I can be bothered to find out.


The message is don't be afraid of change and failure, keep improving yourself.


Really? Its more like change for the sake of other people.
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Crashmatt said:
AgehaYoru said:


The message is don't be afraid of change and failure, keep improving yourself.


Really? Its more like change for the sake of other people.
nah, tomozaki did it for himself.
Don't you see how happy he is when his changes are noticed by his sister in this eps
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