| Because people want more edge, I guess. |
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| Well, this is my personal opinion, and it's not that I want "more death" in anime, rather it's "more emotional deaths" that I want to see. And that too, apparently in an anime with the more serious vibe (drama, if u would call it). And apparently for me, meaningless death or death of a poorly placed character means like killing a fly IRL. So, it's not more deaths, but even less deaths would do, but of characters with more depth and likings to. |
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Dull_Lull said: thiago52192 said: Same tropes? The few deaths KNY has doesn't create consequence on the characters or the story, it's there just to say Onis are bad. And the Onis deaths try to get an emotional response on the viewer by throwing a short and cliche backstory to the Oni at the last second. In another words, they were bad executed. If you took out the deaths on the first episode, nothing major has happened to the characters or the story throughout the 26 episodes. And as I mention in my previous comment, that's the opposite of what happened on SNK. Comparing the deaths from KNY and SNK doesn't make any sense. And neither does the irrelevant deaths in SNK. Side characters dying to show how ruthless the titans are? Please... we all know nothing bad was gonna happen to any of the mcs in the 1st season. What consequences? The deaths there were as superficial as your regular shounen without impacting anything in the grand scheme of things. If I really wanna get pretentious and dig that deep into KNY then the deaths at the first episode served its purpose to propel the plot into the next arc where the viewers are shown an optimistic training arc only to be shown in that they must survive getting hounded by a bunch of demons at night. The fight at the mountains alone had a lot of stakes in it. "What consequences? The deaths there were as superficial as your regular shounen without impacting the grand schemes of things". Dude, now you're clearly neglecting some objective elements of the show. Again, the show from ep 1 - ep 5 created the feeling humanity could fought back by themselves and made the viewer wanting that happened. The deaths clearly created a plot twist. There was a consequence with the way the story would naturally have progressed. Even knowing Eren was alive after that, because the show wouldn't kill the MC right away, the show already had created a consequence on the story. Did KNY build anything that resemble that? If the show had at least tried to build a feeling everyone could survive the Onis, you could make that comparison. And even if it did, it need to to actually make the viewer care about wanting that to happen. But what the training arc does is the complete opposite. It only teases a lot of random unprepared characters would die. The story only wants you to care about Tanjiro and his group surviving, which is why side characters deaths doesn't have any impact on the story. You can't pretend those two scenarios are the same |
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| I don't want more deaths, but I want the deaths to be actual fucking deaths and not just fake-out deaths with the character either being revived or revealed to be alive later. This kind of thing to me is the equivalent of the author saying "You don't need to care about any potentially threatening scenario in this story" and it makes my appreciation of the show go down quite a bit, unless it's something like Dragon Ball where death is rarely treated like a big deal to begin with. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
thiago52192 said: Dull_Lull said: And neither does the irrelevant deaths in SNK. Side characters dying to show how ruthless the titans are? Please... we all know nothing bad was gonna happen to any of the mcs in the 1st season. What consequences? The deaths there were as superficial as your regular shounen without impacting anything in the grand scheme of things. If I really wanna get pretentious and dig that deep into KNY then the deaths at the first episode served its purpose to propel the plot into the next arc where the viewers are shown an optimistic training arc only to be shown in that they must survive getting hounded by a bunch of demons at night. The fight at the mountains alone had a lot of stakes in it. "What consequences? The deaths there were as superficial as your regular shounen without impacting the grand schemes of things". Dude, now you're clearly neglecting some objective elements of the show. Again, the show from ep 1 - ep 5 created the feeling humanity could fought back by themselves and made the viewer wanting that happened. The deaths clearly created a plot twist. There was a consequence with the way the story would naturally have progressed. Even knowing Eren was alive after that, because the show wouldn't kill the MC right away, the show already had created a consequence on the story. Did KNY build anything that resemble that? If the show had at least tried to build a feeling everyone could survive the Onis, you could make that comparison. And even if it did, it need to to actually make the viewer care about wanting that to happen. But what the training arc does is the complete opposite. It only teases a lot of random unprepared characters would die. The story only wants you to care about Tanjiro and his group surviving, which is why side characters deaths doesn't have any impact on the story. You can't pretend those two scenarios are the same That's not a plot twist dude. You're the one trying to dig too deep here with your obvious bias while also undermining another anime despite using similar tropes. That was the most natural progression of things. That's basic shounen writing where people do training to defeat an enemy only to find out it's not that easy after all. And you're the one clearly denying the objective points in KNY because of your profound dislike for it. If I really have to speak your language then the selection arc provided that "hope" you were looking for after they survived and finally became full-fledged demon slayers and everything was going well until they faced an opponent they couldn't beat and had to rely on a miracle to save their asses. |
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jal90 said: I don't know why do people want more death. I'm more interested on the consequences of death (grief, trauma) than death itself. As for survival adventure/action shows I guess it would help feel the danger but I think it's not the best way to convey that something is, indeed, dangerous. Atmosphere should be given more attention. This is one complaint I had with part 2 of JoJo. An important character dies and after he's avenged a few days later, he's never mentioned again. EVER. Not even in an offhand comment in part 3. |
| Maybe because meaningful deaths are an incredibly rare thing in anime. Look at the anime with the highest kill counts and just think as to how many of those actually had any impact. The 40,000 ninja that died on the first day of the war meant jack shit compared to 1 certain character dying on the second day. Side character no 669 getting eaten by a Titan means jack shit compared to a specific character's death. The near hundreds of thousands of people Light murdered was of little consequence in comparison to a certain person's death that happens in the series. What I, at least, want in anime is not more death, but rather more meaningful death. |
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| Because in certain shows it actually gets annoying when it seems like death is not even a thing at all or that it serves no purpose. For example in Dragon Ball, try to imagine you are living in the real world being there, would you really keep pretending that you're actually sorry that someone died when you can just resurrect that person more than one million times? And even if you couldn't, you can still bribe someone there to go to the world of living and say hi to everyone even if you're dead. When death is abused that much because it just doesn't matter even if it happens, you can't keep expecting that I would care at all when someone dies if there's no meaning for those characters being dead. The only death in Dragon Ball that was actually meaningful was C16 since machines are the only ones that are actually gone for good when someone destroys them. |
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| They probably just want a change, still depends on the role of the character who died, but honestly a character's death could be almost as devastating for some people that it could lead to some drastic change of atmosphere and story. |
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| I think it adds a bit more tension to the story and makes things more interesting (if its executed well). i am watching sao tho and |
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bend_over said: I've seen a lot of people saying that they'd want more death in anime or manga and this mainly consists of shounen. Alright, lemme ask you this, why you'd want a character you like to die? That's the part I don't understant. They not only want characters they don't like or/and hate to die (which is fine, I guess) but they also want characters they like to somehow die because according to them - The more deaths the better is and the more realistic the story would become. It seems people often mistake seinen and psychological with honestly anything else. What's your take on this? If you try to tell a serious story how do you convince your audience that a situation is dangerous,serious and/or scary ? By having everyone always survive everything and nothing bad ever happening to anyone ? You can try to do it any way you want but there is a reason why many amazing stories opt to kill their characters The stories aren't good because have people dying People die because the story has consequences and that is often the case in good stories |
| Because that's when the story progresses forward.If no one dies in a shounen battle anime it will not be realistic at all and more people will hate.The only deaths in My hero academia were the pro's if a student dies that would be a really shock factor. |
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| more death equals the possibility of more death in a story, which means there is more tension and excitement because mistakes have consequences and success is achieved by using one's brain instead of asspulls |
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| I feel it could make the story interesting, give it more impact towards character development, motive to why the characters made the sacrifice to die, or just ending the series with a bang. Shows that rarely kill off characters that should have died, but miraculously survive/bring them back to life doesn't seem realistic to me. |
 "๐ฎ๐น'๐ธ ๐ณ๐ด๐น ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ช ๐ฎ ๐จ๐ฆ๐ณ'๐น ๐น๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฐ ๐น๐ด ๐ต๐ช๐ด๐ต๐ฑ๐ช. ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐บ๐ธ๐น ๐ฉ๐ด๐ณ'๐น ๐ฎ๐ณ๐ฉ๐บ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ณ ๐ต๐ด๐ฎ๐ณ๐น๐ฑ๐ช๐ธ๐ธ ๐ธ๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฑ ๐น๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฐ๐ธ." |
| Shounen and Seinen are just a demography, means nothing. If your story is set on a dangerous world, then make your characters die or be seriously injured. If a story is set on a war or something, then make your characters die or, you know, bring down consequences that would bring them down to despair. It's not a matter of if it's shounen or not, it's a matter of making the stakes believable. It's not a matter of "Kill this character I like/hate", it's a matter of making the viewer feel uneasy about the situation the characters are in. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| Having no deaths nor bad outcomes makes a show boring and predictable. It takes away any chance to change the pace of story or tone of the story, and there is no intrigue nor tension. That is why every good show has that kind of stuff, just look at the top 100 animes... probably every one of those have at least a couple of moments where shit hits the fan. |
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| In some cases it can make the story better, in some cases it can make the story worse. It all depends on the show itself and how those deaths are written, but essentially, killing off your characters, even ones in the main cast, adds more stakes because you never know who's going to die. In my opinion though, it's not happening in a million years unless a huge upset in the Shounen realm happens. |
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