One Piece Chapter 971 Discussion

FMmatron said:

I'm gonna keep this brief.


If you would acknowledge Oden's nature of being so gullible (which Oda even highlighted many times) then your questions would be answered. Please open up. Also it would make sense to keep Oden alive in order to get info out of him, he's basically the only person there with knowledge about porneglyphs. And yes he was punished for his foolishness because if he rounded up forces he might have won, but that would've meant sacrifices so he took it all upon himself and he most likely didn't even notice what happened to the people shot by the arrows. Orochi is thirsty for revenge and humiliating Oden for many years before killing him seems fitting for a sadist. The pacing of the last chapters was unfortunately off, but the story makes sense if you just add one and one, it doesn't need to spell every tiny point.

You're nitpicking on trivial aspects instead of looking at the whole picture. Your Death Note example as an attempt to invalidate the events and what you deem as proper storytelling is completely irrelelevant since themes and story go hand in hand here. And as I said above it makes sense.

That's everything that needed to be said, you can try to reconsider your opinions or stay in denial.

Saurian_X said:
He's only read 1/10th of the series, he couldn't see the whole picture even if he wanted to. If he's really interested he should read the whole series, otherwise it's a complete waste of time to argue with someone who doesn't really follow the story and seems like they're just here to get a reaction out of the fans.

Mei-o_Scarlett said:

no but you see
clearly a good shounen is something like naruto and bleach that flashbacks and hammers in the stuff you miss if you start from the middle of it unlike a bad series like op D:<
how dare op doesnt clearly cater to this poor soul and the millions of ppl who want to pick it up from the latest vol like bleach or naruto
this is a joke if that isnt obvious

SinOfSlothKing said:


"the only person there with knowledge about poneglyphs" That is head cannon , highlighted by how they wanted to instantly kill oden by burning oil .They gave no fucks what so ever about the poneglyphs......holy shit, is this another plot hole/contrivance?

"Oden's nature of being so gullible" And people still call him Chaden.....smh.

Nice and all, but why are u under the impression that Orochi/Kaido knew that Oden was gullible ? Or that he absorbed the moral values of Shiro and Roger? Kaido never met Oden, and Orochi only met him once in passing, and we know that oden gave him some money, but we and the characters also know this happen out of respect for yasuie. IT annoys me how characters take actions based on informations they never had and how the fans dont give a fuck about it...

And no matter how u slice it, it was a foolish decision to let Oden go from the Flower Capital, because that was the perfect moment to defeat him since it allredy was a 1v1 and King and Queen might be just a few hours away from that place(especialy king who can fly). Boom allredy a 3v1 and maybe even a 4v1 if the guy with the barier fruit uses it to disatvantage Oden. And they can still pull the Momonosuke card whenever they like.

And please stop excusing what is plainly obvious plot contrivance, on part of the author to reach certain predestined plot points , based on themes......going by that logic FT is a masterpiece since the theme of FT is friendship and everything happens cus of friendship and its excused cus it is its theme......

FMmatron said:

ThatsNotGaming said:
That's the reason Oden decided not to murder Orochi? Because a few hundred ppl were kidnapped? tf? How does that make any sense at all?

ThatsNotGaming said:
Oden could have just killed Orochi and immediately fought Kaido and taken his country and the kidnapped ppl back after he won the fight. It makes no sense that he would dance like a moron for years to save ppl he could have just saved from the start by winning the all important fight. And then suddenly 5 years later he realizes "now I need to rebel and fight!"

ThatsNotGaming said:
Idk what Oda was thinking when he wrote the plot for Oden, but I'd call that shitty writing on his part. It really makes no logical sense!

ThatsNotGaming said:
You especially don't make a deal with an enemy that's doing harm to your ppl when you know that you are stronger than that enemy.

ThatsNotGaming said:
Oden I'm assuming was stronger than Kaido, so why the hell he would decide it's a good idea to accept a shitty deal as though he's the weaker one with no other option? Also placing his trust in a complete scumbag (Orochi) to keep his end of the deal when he was ready to kill that idiot scumbag a moment ago when he rushed the capitol makes absolutely no sense either.

ThatsNotGaming said:
Also makes no sense how Oden was stopped by those weak lackies who were by Orochi's side! Don't give me that BS answer that they had devil fruit powers. Oden is obviously using a very high level of haki given his power to fight alongside the greats like Whitebeard and Roger (even clashing almost evenly with Whitebeard when they first met). How in the hell would any random devil fruit be able to stop him makes absolutely no goddamn sense!

ThatsNotGaming said:
These are serious plot holes that I can't chalk up to anything more than poor writing on Oda's part.

De_Baer said:




No he could not. Oden was unable to hurt Orochi as you noticed yourself. It was clearly stated that Odens power means nothing here which was true since Oden could not destroy the barrier from the Bari Bari no Mi-User. And it was not that he "suddenly realized he needs to rebel and fight". Oden genuinly trusted Kaido and Orochi. Of course this was extremely naive but this is just what Odens character is. It was also shown when Oden kept lending money to Orochi despite never getting it back over and over again. Its his greatest flaw and it was thoroughly exploited by his foes.

De_Baer said:


As previously stated: Odens strength did not mean anything. Orochi kept the whole country hostage and Oden is not the type of person who would risk the lives of innocent citizens. That is why he made the deal. Would he have fought Kaidou, Orochi would have killed people. It really is that simple.

De_Baer said:


During Dressrosa it was made pretty much clear that the barriers made by the Bari Bari power are indesctructible. Remember the King Punch that was said to be able to take down a Yonko in one hit? It did not even leave a scratch on Bartos barrier. Also it seems you have the misconception that things created by Devil Fruit users can be just cancelled out or destroyed by using Haki. With Haki you can hit the real body of a DF user but that is all. You are confusing Haki with seastone I guess.

ThatsNotGaming said:
These are serious plot holes that I can't chalk up to anything more than poor writing on Oda's part.

De_Baer said:


But it does.

ThatsNotGaming said:
How Oden could not have foresaw that by handing over power to a twisted and corrupt man would not lead to way more deaths and suffering for the country and it's people than if he just fought and won from the start is beyond me. That's like next level stupidity! To chalk up that kinda stupid logic to just a "character flaw" seems like a bit of a stretch to me.

ThatsNotGaming said:


First off, nowhere does it say that barriers created by Bari Bari power are indestructible. You are assuming that, but that doesn't make it true. Also that King punch was weak af, if it was strong enough to take down a Yonko with one hit than that dude would be a Yonko himself, but he's not so, clearly that doesn't add up. Maybe you're right about haki only being able to hit the body of the devil fruit user part... but lets even assume for a second that the barrier power is indestructible. That would still be horrible writing because that would make it way overpowered if nothing can penetrate it. By that logic anyone who has that power would just be invincible.

ThatsNotGaming said:


Trust me I'm paying attention, that's why I'm calling out the bullshit as I see it.

SinOfSlothKing said:
Hello, the not-one piece fan here from 2 chapers ago who only read the past 100 chapters or so.

Holy shit ppl, u liked this trash? Like have u no respect for yourself?

Lets state the obvious, this flashback was utter shit once Oden reached Wano, and here are the reasons why:

1. Oda had the perfect oportunity to get Oden beaten and captured back 3 chapters ago when he confronted Orochi for the first time. It would have made sense, since it would have been the author punishing a flaw of the character in question, in this case his recklessness of going there alone, and not gathering his ppl to help. But he didint for no actual reason.

2. The Deal Orochi and Oden makes no sense, and i mean that it makes no sense from either party involved in this deal. Why? Well, it obviously makes no sense from the point of view of Oden, because 1. Orochi offered no actual evidence what he said about the Kurozumi was true(and we know it was false, since he didint even know he was a Kurozumi until he found out) , 2. Plenty of people have died since the arrival of Orochi as Shogun . 100 people mean nothing at this point and plenty more were killed/enslaved/kidnapped during those 5 years i am sure of it, and so are u. 3. The first thing the side of orochi dose after the deal was randomly kill 2 people with poison arrows, how the fuck can u still hold the deal after that? 4. Why would Orochi keep his word of leaving with Kaido? Is Oden rly under the impression that Orochi is in charge and not Kaido? Is he realy that stupid? Even if Orochi were to hold his word, Kaido is under no obligation to do anything, much less leave Wano.

Now , why dose the deal make no sense for Orochi either? Think about it, how did Kaido excuse the delay of 5 years in order to gain the advantage? He said that they were low on man, and if Oden gathered his ppl they had chances to lose................. Here is the thing, Oden did not gather shit, he just charged the Capital, Kaido literaly has him where he wants him, and on the other hand, while Orochi and Kaido wont keep their word, they wont know that Oden wont hold his either, and fighting him then and there is the best option they had, letting him leave, is literaly the ONLY way they can LOSE, and way too big of a risk to take, since now he dose have the oportunity to gather the people.

3. For those who will reply " Well Kaido, knows that Oden is simmilar with Whitebeard and Roger"

Firstly, it was not Kaido who offered the deal, it was Orochi, and in reality they had no reason to belive Oden changed to replicate the moral values of Roger and Whitebeard.

And seccondly, Shinobu was there, even if Oden was fooled, why would she be? She should not be nowhere near as stupid as Oden, and realise the deal was bullshit. Also, she had the chance to Free the 100 people Orochi had kidnapped while all the main players were in that room, but didint.......

4. For those who think the delay was actually because kaido thought oden was stronger that himself, and who think that is a fact due to the last chapter (970), quit the bullshit.

Firstly, that chapter did not prove Oden was stronger, Kaido mearly got cut, and he got cut because he was in dragon form too, so he didint had his mace to defend himself with it. This rly bothers me , how one piece fans flip their shit anytime something this minor happens.
Secondly, even if that was the real reason behind the deal(which was not), orochi offered the deal, not Kaido.

5. Aparently the ships Orochi and Kaido were meant to leave by were supposed to be built...... why did oden not supervise the construction of the boats all this time, to be sure they are keeping their word at least a bit?

And lastly, why the fuck is oden not submerged under the oil ? Look at that thing, its way too deep and Oden should be submerged in it and drown to death....