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Aug 15, 2019 2:09 AM
#51
DateYutaka said: You do realize trump has literally done more anti-war stuff than all past presidents combined? And that's been within one term. Certainly trump isn't perfect but he's doing a better job at it than the last 3 presidents. So why even bring his name up? I can think of a perfect explanation but I'd hate be a broken record.Cneq said: DateYutaka said: Cneq said: DateYutaka said: "getto/barrios are caused by historical racial/class injustice" Yeah says who? And what races are we speaking about? Not all ghettos in the US are dominated by one ethnic group [of course some are since ethnic groups tend to stick together but not all]. There are plenty of shit holes in the US populated by both mexicans, blacks and whites. For you to be bringing up current political matters only goes to show you have no idea about the history of the US. These issues run deep and it's been like this since way before even the 80's. Ghettos and their history in the US cannot be defined by simple "left" or "right". Cneq said: DateYutaka said: When I say ghetto I'm talking US grade ghettos [skid row, detroit etc etc]. People can "say" there are ghettos in places like Japan or Australia but the ones who say that have no clue what a real ghetto is.Cneq said: MasterGlyth said: I'd bet the life of my dog [if I had one] that if japan let mass immigration happen like it has in all these other western countries it certainly would become a ghetto. I'm almost 99% sure.Modern japan is a product of foreign influence. No culture simply remains the same forever, so going out of your way to preserve things in the name of traditionalism isn't rational. The issue is a cultural shift to worse behaviors. The fear of that happening is why traditionalists fear monger the collapse of a society at any change instead of individually assessing things. Though those comments are specifically talking about immigration policy and ghettoizing japan. there is gettos in Japan both poor urban and rural gettos and that cuase of teh LDP but teh LDP have connection to th Yakuza so the gte vote vua fear th eus does not have something like the Burakumin like Japan does and su getto/barrios are caused by historical racial/class injustice that will only gte wirse under trump or nay non truly left-wing Presidnt and no non of the dems running are truly left wing by my standed of left wing the so called us far left [ not ta;k abot antifa here] in ta;k abour people liek AOC and the CLUB or whatever there called there not far left in real sense there moderate soc Dems whoa re seen as far left sicne the overton window in the us has alway been far to the right [ and no im talking about race policy I don't believe the Burakumin have anything to do with the type of ghetto I'm talking about. I'm talking about areas that you can walk through and almost be guaranteed to find used needles, trash, dried bloodstains, illegal sex workers, addicts with withdrawls etc. And if you're really lucky you may get held up at gunpoint or caught up in a drive by. This kind of shit happens by the hour and even in areas that are deemed "safe". You boot up any police scanner and even in areas like San Diego [which is considered a "nice" area] you'll find this type of shit happening 24 hours a day. The only places that can compare to the filth and ghettos the US has are places in South America, Africa, Mexico [Tijuana is basically the same as areas near LA lmao] and of course the middle east. The EU is getting there though after letting mass immigration happen. what caused the middle east to beocme liek ut is us wars or us back dictators in Latin Amarica im an anti war left winger Bush is democrat trump as not pulled us backing ofrm Yemen for exmaple |
Aug 15, 2019 3:14 AM
#52
Cneq said: #DateYutaka said: You do realize trump has literally done more anti-war stuff than all past presidents combined? And that's been within one term. Certainly trump isn't perfect but he's doing a better job at it than the last 3 presidents. So why even bring his name up? I can think of a perfect explanation but I'd hate be a broken record.Cneq said: DateYutaka said: Yes that is true and you can thank the democratic party for doing that. Bush and Obama in particular. Both bush's literally bred an entire generation of middle eastern kids [who are now around 20+] to hate the west and be out for blood. Would you be angry if your country was bombed to hell and family and friends killed? Certainly. They have every right to hate the US for what the democrats did to them.Cneq said: DateYutaka said: "getto/barrios are caused by historical racial/class injustice" Yeah says who? And what races are we speaking about? Not all ghettos in the US are dominated by one ethnic group [of course some are since ethnic groups tend to stick together but not all]. There are plenty of shit holes in the US populated by both mexicans, blacks and whites. For you to be bringing up current political matters only goes to show you have no idea about the history of the US. These issues run deep and it's been like this since way before even the 80's. Ghettos and their history in the US cannot be defined by simple "left" or "right". Cneq said: DateYutaka said: When I say ghetto I'm talking US grade ghettos [skid row, detroit etc etc]. People can "say" there are ghettos in places like Japan or Australia but the ones who say that have no clue what a real ghetto is.Cneq said: MasterGlyth said: I'd bet the life of my dog [if I had one] that if japan let mass immigration happen like it has in all these other western countries it certainly would become a ghetto. I'm almost 99% sure.Modern japan is a product of foreign influence. No culture simply remains the same forever, so going out of your way to preserve things in the name of traditionalism isn't rational. The issue is a cultural shift to worse behaviors. The fear of that happening is why traditionalists fear monger the collapse of a society at any change instead of individually assessing things. Though those comments are specifically talking about immigration policy and ghettoizing japan. there is gettos in Japan both poor urban and rural gettos and that cuase of teh LDP but teh LDP have connection to th Yakuza so the gte vote vua fear th eus does not have something like the Burakumin like Japan does and su getto/barrios are caused by historical racial/class injustice that will only gte wirse under trump or nay non truly left-wing Presidnt and no non of the dems running are truly left wing by my standed of left wing the so called us far left [ not ta;k abot antifa here] in ta;k abour people liek AOC and the CLUB or whatever there called there not far left in real sense there moderate soc Dems whoa re seen as far left sicne the overton window in the us has alway been far to the right [ and no im talking about race policy I don't believe the Burakumin have anything to do with the type of ghetto I'm talking about. I'm talking about areas that you can walk through and almost be guaranteed to find used needles, trash, dried bloodstains, illegal sex workers, addicts with withdrawls etc. And if you're really lucky you may get held up at gunpoint or caught up in a drive by. This kind of shit happens by the hour and even in areas that are deemed "safe". You boot up any police scanner and even in areas like San Diego [which is considered a "nice" area] you'll find this type of shit happening 24 hours a day. The only places that can compare to the filth and ghettos the US has are places in South America, Africa, Mexico [Tijuana is basically the same as areas near LA lmao] and of course the middle east. The EU is getting there though after letting mass immigration happen. what caused the middle east to beocme liek ut is us wars or us back dictators in Latin Amarica im an anti war left winger Bush is democrat trump as not pulled us backing ofrm Yemen for exmaple right still sliing weapons ot the zionists and the saudis right that anit war |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Aug 15, 2019 6:11 AM
#53
DateYutaka said: Trump doesn't run the show by himself. He still has some of the warmongering freaks that worked under bush & obama with him. Cneq said: #DateYutaka said: Cneq said: DateYutaka said: Yes that is true and you can thank the democratic party for doing that. Bush and Obama in particular. Both bush's literally bred an entire generation of middle eastern kids [who are now around 20+] to hate the west and be out for blood. Would you be angry if your country was bombed to hell and family and friends killed? Certainly. They have every right to hate the US for what the democrats did to them.Cneq said: DateYutaka said: "getto/barrios are caused by historical racial/class injustice" Yeah says who? And what races are we speaking about? Not all ghettos in the US are dominated by one ethnic group [of course some are since ethnic groups tend to stick together but not all]. There are plenty of shit holes in the US populated by both mexicans, blacks and whites. For you to be bringing up current political matters only goes to show you have no idea about the history of the US. These issues run deep and it's been like this since way before even the 80's. Ghettos and their history in the US cannot be defined by simple "left" or "right". Cneq said: DateYutaka said: When I say ghetto I'm talking US grade ghettos [skid row, detroit etc etc]. People can "say" there are ghettos in places like Japan or Australia but the ones who say that have no clue what a real ghetto is.Cneq said: MasterGlyth said: I'd bet the life of my dog [if I had one] that if japan let mass immigration happen like it has in all these other western countries it certainly would become a ghetto. I'm almost 99% sure.Modern japan is a product of foreign influence. No culture simply remains the same forever, so going out of your way to preserve things in the name of traditionalism isn't rational. The issue is a cultural shift to worse behaviors. The fear of that happening is why traditionalists fear monger the collapse of a society at any change instead of individually assessing things. Though those comments are specifically talking about immigration policy and ghettoizing japan. there is gettos in Japan both poor urban and rural gettos and that cuase of teh LDP but teh LDP have connection to th Yakuza so the gte vote vua fear th eus does not have something like the Burakumin like Japan does and su getto/barrios are caused by historical racial/class injustice that will only gte wirse under trump or nay non truly left-wing Presidnt and no non of the dems running are truly left wing by my standed of left wing the so called us far left [ not ta;k abot antifa here] in ta;k abour people liek AOC and the CLUB or whatever there called there not far left in real sense there moderate soc Dems whoa re seen as far left sicne the overton window in the us has alway been far to the right [ and no im talking about race policy I don't believe the Burakumin have anything to do with the type of ghetto I'm talking about. I'm talking about areas that you can walk through and almost be guaranteed to find used needles, trash, dried bloodstains, illegal sex workers, addicts with withdrawls etc. And if you're really lucky you may get held up at gunpoint or caught up in a drive by. This kind of shit happens by the hour and even in areas that are deemed "safe". You boot up any police scanner and even in areas like San Diego [which is considered a "nice" area] you'll find this type of shit happening 24 hours a day. The only places that can compare to the filth and ghettos the US has are places in South America, Africa, Mexico [Tijuana is basically the same as areas near LA lmao] and of course the middle east. The EU is getting there though after letting mass immigration happen. what caused the middle east to beocme liek ut is us wars or us back dictators in Latin Amarica im an anti war left winger Bush is democrat trump as not pulled us backing ofrm Yemen for exmaple right still sliing weapons ot the zionists and the saudis right that anit war |
Aug 15, 2019 7:18 AM
#54
Cneq said: DateYutaka said: Trump doesn't run the show by himself. He still has some of the warmongering freaks that worked under bush & obama with him. Cneq said: DateYutaka said: You do realize trump has literally done more anti-war stuff than all past presidents combined? And that's been within one term. Certainly trump isn't perfect but he's doing a better job at it than the last 3 presidents. So why even bring his name up? I can think of a perfect explanation but I'd hate be a broken record.Cneq said: DateYutaka said: Yes that is true and you can thank the democratic party for doing that. Bush and Obama in particular. Both bush's literally bred an entire generation of middle eastern kids [who are now around 20+] to hate the west and be out for blood. Would you be angry if your country was bombed to hell and family and friends killed? Certainly. They have every right to hate the US for what the democrats did to them.Cneq said: DateYutaka said: "getto/barrios are caused by historical racial/class injustice" Yeah says who? And what races are we speaking about? Not all ghettos in the US are dominated by one ethnic group [of course some are since ethnic groups tend to stick together but not all]. There are plenty of shit holes in the US populated by both mexicans, blacks and whites. For you to be bringing up current political matters only goes to show you have no idea about the history of the US. These issues run deep and it's been like this since way before even the 80's. Ghettos and their history in the US cannot be defined by simple "left" or "right". Cneq said: DateYutaka said: When I say ghetto I'm talking US grade ghettos [skid row, detroit etc etc]. People can "say" there are ghettos in places like Japan or Australia but the ones who say that have no clue what a real ghetto is.Cneq said: MasterGlyth said: I'd bet the life of my dog [if I had one] that if japan let mass immigration happen like it has in all these other western countries it certainly would become a ghetto. I'm almost 99% sure.Modern japan is a product of foreign influence. No culture simply remains the same forever, so going out of your way to preserve things in the name of traditionalism isn't rational. The issue is a cultural shift to worse behaviors. The fear of that happening is why traditionalists fear monger the collapse of a society at any change instead of individually assessing things. Though those comments are specifically talking about immigration policy and ghettoizing japan. there is gettos in Japan both poor urban and rural gettos and that cuase of teh LDP but teh LDP have connection to th Yakuza so the gte vote vua fear th eus does not have something like the Burakumin like Japan does and su getto/barrios are caused by historical racial/class injustice that will only gte wirse under trump or nay non truly left-wing Presidnt and no non of the dems running are truly left wing by my standed of left wing the so called us far left [ not ta;k abot antifa here] in ta;k abour people liek AOC and the CLUB or whatever there called there not far left in real sense there moderate soc Dems whoa re seen as far left sicne the overton window in the us has alway been far to the right [ and no im talking about race policy I don't believe the Burakumin have anything to do with the type of ghetto I'm talking about. I'm talking about areas that you can walk through and almost be guaranteed to find used needles, trash, dried bloodstains, illegal sex workers, addicts with withdrawls etc. And if you're really lucky you may get held up at gunpoint or caught up in a drive by. This kind of shit happens by the hour and even in areas that are deemed "safe". You boot up any police scanner and even in areas like San Diego [which is considered a "nice" area] you'll find this type of shit happening 24 hours a day. The only places that can compare to the filth and ghettos the US has are places in South America, Africa, Mexico [Tijuana is basically the same as areas near LA lmao] and of course the middle east. The EU is getting there though after letting mass immigration happen. what caused the middle east to beocme liek ut is us wars or us back dictators in Latin Amarica im an anti war left winger Bush is democrat trump as not pulled us backing ofrm Yemen for exmaple right still sliing weapons ot the zionists and the saudis right that anit war he hired Bolton trumps a real Dove and hes pro zionist so yes |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Aug 15, 2019 2:00 PM
#55
Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: A Kite was banned in Norway Where did you get that info? I googled that up and I found no info that A Kite even had a Norwegian release planned, just some old forum thread were some folks wondered would hentai including underage characters be banned there and they concluded yes. Similarly it would be banned in Sweden according to them but no news it even was going to be released there. Also theatrical releases in Japan do get edited, censoring nudity and violence to get lower PG to not affect ticket sales. http://epicstream.com/featureslist/13-Controversial-Anime-and-Manga-Banned-Around-the-World/2 But that website doesn't even tell which distributor tried to get a nordic release, or if that case would have involved imported releases being sold. I tried to find any info on that by going through Norwegian and Swedish websites but didn't find any. It seems A-Kite isn't being specifically being banned, it's anything that includes underage characters involved in sex since their law classifies fictional works too child porn. Just like A Serbian film is banned in Norway, but people just buy uncut version from Sweden since it wasn't classified as porn there. |
Aug 15, 2019 5:26 PM
#56
konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: A Kite was banned in Norway Where did you get that info? I googled that up and I found no info that A Kite even had a Norwegian release planned, just some old forum thread were some folks wondered would hentai including underage characters be banned there and they concluded yes. Similarly it would be banned in Sweden according to them but no news it even was going to be released there. Also theatrical releases in Japan do get edited, censoring nudity and violence to get lower PG to not affect ticket sales. http://epicstream.com/featureslist/13-Controversial-Anime-and-Manga-Banned-Around-the-World/2 But that website doesn't even tell which distributor tried to get a nordic release, or if that case would have involved imported releases being sold. I tried to find any info on that by going through Norwegian and Swedish websites but didn't find any. It seems A-Kite isn't being specifically being banned, it's anything that includes underage characters involved in sex since their law classifies fictional works too child porn. Just like A Serbian film is banned in Norway, but people just buy uncut version from Sweden since it wasn't classified as porn there. Well that kind of goes along with my point that Japan isn't really big on censorship. |
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Aug 19, 2019 2:51 AM
#57
Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: A Kite was banned in Norway Where did you get that info? I googled that up and I found no info that A Kite even had a Norwegian release planned, just some old forum thread were some folks wondered would hentai including underage characters be banned there and they concluded yes. Similarly it would be banned in Sweden according to them but no news it even was going to be released there. Also theatrical releases in Japan do get edited, censoring nudity and violence to get lower PG to not affect ticket sales. http://epicstream.com/featureslist/13-Controversial-Anime-and-Manga-Banned-Around-the-World/2 But that website doesn't even tell which distributor tried to get a nordic release, or if that case would have involved imported releases being sold. I tried to find any info on that by going through Norwegian and Swedish websites but didn't find any. It seems A-Kite isn't being specifically being banned, it's anything that includes underage characters involved in sex since their law classifies fictional works too child porn. Just like A Serbian film is banned in Norway, but people just buy uncut version from Sweden since it wasn't classified as porn there. Well that kind of goes along with my point that Japan isn't really big on censorship. That's not what I was going for in the first place. My problem was more on highlighting A-Kite as being banned out of every hentai due to being "controversial" when they are treated as CP under their law, secondly because there has been no plans to release it there where it would need to go through program that decided what PG rating it would get, or if it would need editing and most importantly if it is not treated as porn and harmful, like they did exception with Saló 120 days of sodomy in the year 2003. Not saying it is a good system but I am pretty anal when it comes to calling and hyping some movie/series controversial or extreme. But since you said it I do disagree with your statement Japan wouldn't be big on censorship compared to west for few reasons. First being you're lumping quite many countries and cultures together to compare to one country and each country have different laws and PG system. Secondly Japan have their own censoring which you have mentioned but downplayed for some reason, when drawing vagina can still send you to jail in Japan and affect artistic freedom. Not to mention their censoring of historical happenings, that I personally take as bigger offense and a middle finger to artistic freedom and open discussion. Third due to Japanese culture's mentality not to offend and cause controversies it limits again artistic freedom and can lead to problems to artists. Horror film series Guinea Pig while being Japanese has never been made to Japanese DVD release due to controversy surrounding The Otaku killer. Shoujo tsubaki Midori had its own interesting history of being censored and how some parts are lost media due to it. And they censor violence in video games in Japan, which I believe many in to games are familiar with Hideo Kojima's complains about that. |
Aug 20, 2019 2:10 AM
#58
konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: A Kite was banned in Norway Where did you get that info? I googled that up and I found no info that A Kite even had a Norwegian release planned, just some old forum thread were some folks wondered would hentai including underage characters be banned there and they concluded yes. Similarly it would be banned in Sweden according to them but no news it even was going to be released there. Also theatrical releases in Japan do get edited, censoring nudity and violence to get lower PG to not affect ticket sales. http://epicstream.com/featureslist/13-Controversial-Anime-and-Manga-Banned-Around-the-World/2 But that website doesn't even tell which distributor tried to get a nordic release, or if that case would have involved imported releases being sold. I tried to find any info on that by going through Norwegian and Swedish websites but didn't find any. It seems A-Kite isn't being specifically being banned, it's anything that includes underage characters involved in sex since their law classifies fictional works too child porn. Just like A Serbian film is banned in Norway, but people just buy uncut version from Sweden since it wasn't classified as porn there. Well that kind of goes along with my point that Japan isn't really big on censorship. That's not what I was going for in the first place. My problem was more on highlighting A-Kite as being banned out of every hentai due to being "controversial" when they are treated as CP under their law, secondly because there has been no plans to release it there where it would need to go through program that decided what PG rating it would get, or if it would need editing and most importantly if it is not treated as porn and harmful, like they did exception with Saló 120 days of sodomy in the year 2003. Not saying it is a good system but I am pretty anal when it comes to calling and hyping some movie/series controversial or extreme. But since you said it I do disagree with your statement Japan wouldn't be big on censorship compared to west for few reasons. First being you're lumping quite many countries and cultures together to compare to one country and each country have different laws and PG system. Secondly Japan have their own censoring which you have mentioned but downplayed for some reason, when drawing vagina can still send you to jail in Japan and affect artistic freedom. Not to mention their censoring of historical happenings, that I personally take as bigger offense and a middle finger to artistic freedom and open discussion. Third due to Japanese culture's mentality not to offend and cause controversies it limits again artistic freedom and can lead to problems to artists. Horror film series Guinea Pig while being Japanese has never been made to Japanese DVD release due to controversy surrounding The Otaku killer. Shoujo tsubaki Midori had its own interesting history of being censored and how some parts are lost media due to it. And they censor violence in video games in Japan, which I believe many in to games are familiar with Hideo Kojima's complains about that. Yeah they've got some issues with censorship too. I do think though that people really overblow the pixelated genitalia issue. Like I said, its like complaining about the one thing that does get censored and not noticing the ten other things that don't get censored. If you were to submit a screenplay draft to a Hollywood producer where black people are portrayed as thuggish criminals, where the female characters are damsels in distress, blatant sexual objects, and traditional gender roles are portrayed as a good thing. It would go very very badly. Germany forces all video games to remove the Nazi flag. It seems like all countries have one major thing they're very sensitive about. Saudi Arabia is very sensitive about sex, America is very sensitive about racial issues, Sweden is very sensitive about gender issues, Germany and Japan are very sensitive about the atrocities of WW2. Even 1920s Weimar era Germany, particularly the cabaret scene, which prided itself on being extremely liberal and mocking sensitivity, was very sensitive about the events of WW1 and didn't like plays or performances which centered around WW1. I only very recently, as in the past eight hours, learned of censorship of video games there. I thought that was pretty strange given that violence isn't censored in anime. For the most part, I'd still say they aren't big on censorship though. What does get censored though does seem very arbitrary and inconsistent. |
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Aug 20, 2019 2:30 AM
#59
please keep: red bean paste chicken katsu and karaage ramen all the japanese food and caligraphy i mean, it would be best to preserve all aspects of any culture, but we can’t do so since it naturally evolves. people always evolve. nature always evolves. life always evolves. |
Aug 21, 2019 10:24 AM
#60
Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: A Kite was banned in Norway Where did you get that info? I googled that up and I found no info that A Kite even had a Norwegian release planned, just some old forum thread were some folks wondered would hentai including underage characters be banned there and they concluded yes. Similarly it would be banned in Sweden according to them but no news it even was going to be released there. Also theatrical releases in Japan do get edited, censoring nudity and violence to get lower PG to not affect ticket sales. http://epicstream.com/featureslist/13-Controversial-Anime-and-Manga-Banned-Around-the-World/2 But that website doesn't even tell which distributor tried to get a nordic release, or if that case would have involved imported releases being sold. I tried to find any info on that by going through Norwegian and Swedish websites but didn't find any. It seems A-Kite isn't being specifically being banned, it's anything that includes underage characters involved in sex since their law classifies fictional works too child porn. Just like A Serbian film is banned in Norway, but people just buy uncut version from Sweden since it wasn't classified as porn there. Well that kind of goes along with my point that Japan isn't really big on censorship. That's not what I was going for in the first place. My problem was more on highlighting A-Kite as being banned out of every hentai due to being "controversial" when they are treated as CP under their law, secondly because there has been no plans to release it there where it would need to go through program that decided what PG rating it would get, or if it would need editing and most importantly if it is not treated as porn and harmful, like they did exception with Saló 120 days of sodomy in the year 2003. Not saying it is a good system but I am pretty anal when it comes to calling and hyping some movie/series controversial or extreme. But since you said it I do disagree with your statement Japan wouldn't be big on censorship compared to west for few reasons. First being you're lumping quite many countries and cultures together to compare to one country and each country have different laws and PG system. Secondly Japan have their own censoring which you have mentioned but downplayed for some reason, when drawing vagina can still send you to jail in Japan and affect artistic freedom. Not to mention their censoring of historical happenings, that I personally take as bigger offense and a middle finger to artistic freedom and open discussion. Third due to Japanese culture's mentality not to offend and cause controversies it limits again artistic freedom and can lead to problems to artists. Horror film series Guinea Pig while being Japanese has never been made to Japanese DVD release due to controversy surrounding The Otaku killer. Shoujo tsubaki Midori had its own interesting history of being censored and how some parts are lost media due to it. And they censor violence in video games in Japan, which I believe many in to games are familiar with Hideo Kojima's complains about that. Yeah they've got some issues with censorship too. I do think though that people really overblow the pixelated genitalia issue. Like I said, its like complaining about the one thing that does get censored and not noticing the ten other things that don't get censored. If you were to submit a screenplay draft to a Hollywood producer where black people are portrayed as thuggish criminals, where the female characters are damsels in distress, blatant sexual objects, and traditional gender roles are portrayed as a good thing. It would go very very badly. Germany forces all video games to remove the Nazi flag. It seems like all countries have one major thing they're very sensitive about. Saudi Arabia is very sensitive about sex, America is very sensitive about racial issues, Sweden is very sensitive about gender issues, Germany and Japan are very sensitive about the atrocities of WW2. Even 1920s Weimar era Germany, particularly the cabaret scene, which prided itself on being extremely liberal and mocking sensitivity, was very sensitive about the events of WW1 and didn't like plays or performances which centered around WW1. I only very recently, as in the past eight hours, learned of censorship of video games there. I thought that was pretty strange given that violence isn't censored in anime. For the most part, I'd still say they aren't big on censorship though. What does get censored though does seem very arbitrary and inconsistent. I am not concerned over not seeing un-pixeled vagina in porn, what I am concerned is the fact that it can lead up to two years prison sentence or 23 000 USD fine. Look at Misshitsu aka Honey room hentai manga by Yūji Suwa case and recent being artist Megumi Igarashi Rokudenashiko, whose art is far from porn. Not to mention how anything outside Japan that doesn't follow their obscenity law needs to be edited or cut and it takes away artist's intention, similar complain what Hideo Kojima has with censoring his works really. How ever that to me isn't such a big problem as censoring WWII happenings in art and education, and now this Aichi Prefecture Museum art exhibition of censored art getting shut down because of threat, since people found it too offensive. You need to specify to what country's censoring laws you're comparing Japan where those other ten things do get censored. With Hollywood the problem is how it aims for profits so they play it safe and produce mainstream stuff. They don't want to do anything provocative to keep mass interest. It does to a degree happen with anime and manga industry too. But works from past, like Coonskin and La Casa sperduta nel parco, are available uncensored in USA and from last year movie like The house that Jack built was distributed uncensored too. I could argue that you can still do an indie movie in USA with all those tropes, how viewers will take it is another issue. I agree that it varies what each culture views offensive, and that is affected a lot by culture's history. As you mentioned USA being touchy on racial topic, due to USA's history on that problem. In Franco-Belgian comics blackface is quite common and most Europeans don't see anything wrong with that and native indians are veeery stereotypical portrays too. Ethnicity and nationality is more sensitive topic in other parts of World that reflects their country's history. I can name few songs from war time that are banned from radio here, because they're offensive to Russians. Then something like homosexuality is portrayed in very negative light in Nollywood films, I think I have seen only gay rapists in those films which would be big no for a Hollywood film, and insulting church and God is probably worst you possibly could do. I'd guess their logic with censoring video games comes from something like since you're playing a character in it you're more involved in the story thus more harmful. Also because they're more mainstream than animanga even there. |
Aug 22, 2019 11:49 PM
#61
konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: konkelo said: Ryuk9428 said: A Kite was banned in Norway Where did you get that info? I googled that up and I found no info that A Kite even had a Norwegian release planned, just some old forum thread were some folks wondered would hentai including underage characters be banned there and they concluded yes. Similarly it would be banned in Sweden according to them but no news it even was going to be released there. Also theatrical releases in Japan do get edited, censoring nudity and violence to get lower PG to not affect ticket sales. http://epicstream.com/featureslist/13-Controversial-Anime-and-Manga-Banned-Around-the-World/2 But that website doesn't even tell which distributor tried to get a nordic release, or if that case would have involved imported releases being sold. I tried to find any info on that by going through Norwegian and Swedish websites but didn't find any. It seems A-Kite isn't being specifically being banned, it's anything that includes underage characters involved in sex since their law classifies fictional works too child porn. Just like A Serbian film is banned in Norway, but people just buy uncut version from Sweden since it wasn't classified as porn there. Well that kind of goes along with my point that Japan isn't really big on censorship. That's not what I was going for in the first place. My problem was more on highlighting A-Kite as being banned out of every hentai due to being "controversial" when they are treated as CP under their law, secondly because there has been no plans to release it there where it would need to go through program that decided what PG rating it would get, or if it would need editing and most importantly if it is not treated as porn and harmful, like they did exception with Saló 120 days of sodomy in the year 2003. Not saying it is a good system but I am pretty anal when it comes to calling and hyping some movie/series controversial or extreme. But since you said it I do disagree with your statement Japan wouldn't be big on censorship compared to west for few reasons. First being you're lumping quite many countries and cultures together to compare to one country and each country have different laws and PG system. Secondly Japan have their own censoring which you have mentioned but downplayed for some reason, when drawing vagina can still send you to jail in Japan and affect artistic freedom. Not to mention their censoring of historical happenings, that I personally take as bigger offense and a middle finger to artistic freedom and open discussion. Third due to Japanese culture's mentality not to offend and cause controversies it limits again artistic freedom and can lead to problems to artists. Horror film series Guinea Pig while being Japanese has never been made to Japanese DVD release due to controversy surrounding The Otaku killer. Shoujo tsubaki Midori had its own interesting history of being censored and how some parts are lost media due to it. And they censor violence in video games in Japan, which I believe many in to games are familiar with Hideo Kojima's complains about that. Yeah they've got some issues with censorship too. I do think though that people really overblow the pixelated genitalia issue. Like I said, its like complaining about the one thing that does get censored and not noticing the ten other things that don't get censored. If you were to submit a screenplay draft to a Hollywood producer where black people are portrayed as thuggish criminals, where the female characters are damsels in distress, blatant sexual objects, and traditional gender roles are portrayed as a good thing. It would go very very badly. Germany forces all video games to remove the Nazi flag. It seems like all countries have one major thing they're very sensitive about. Saudi Arabia is very sensitive about sex, America is very sensitive about racial issues, Sweden is very sensitive about gender issues, Germany and Japan are very sensitive about the atrocities of WW2. Even 1920s Weimar era Germany, particularly the cabaret scene, which prided itself on being extremely liberal and mocking sensitivity, was very sensitive about the events of WW1 and didn't like plays or performances which centered around WW1. I only very recently, as in the past eight hours, learned of censorship of video games there. I thought that was pretty strange given that violence isn't censored in anime. For the most part, I'd still say they aren't big on censorship though. What does get censored though does seem very arbitrary and inconsistent. I am not concerned over not seeing un-pixeled vagina in porn, what I am concerned is the fact that it can lead up to two years prison sentence or 23 000 USD fine. Look at Misshitsu aka Honey room hentai manga by Yūji Suwa case and recent being artist Megumi Igarashi Rokudenashiko, whose art is far from porn. Not to mention how anything outside Japan that doesn't follow their obscenity law needs to be edited or cut and it takes away artist's intention, similar complain what Hideo Kojima has with censoring his works really. How ever that to me isn't such a big problem as censoring WWII happenings in art and education, and now this Aichi Prefecture Museum art exhibition of censored art getting shut down because of threat, since people found it too offensive. You need to specify to what country's censoring laws you're comparing Japan where those other ten things do get censored. With Hollywood the problem is how it aims for profits so they play it safe and produce mainstream stuff. They don't want to do anything provocative to keep mass interest. It does to a degree happen with anime and manga industry too. But works from past, like Coonskin and La Casa sperduta nel parco, are available uncensored in USA and from last year movie like The house that Jack built was distributed uncensored too. I could argue that you can still do an indie movie in USA with all those tropes, how viewers will take it is another issue. I agree that it varies what each culture views offensive, and that is affected a lot by culture's history. As you mentioned USA being touchy on racial topic, due to USA's history on that problem. In Franco-Belgian comics blackface is quite common and most Europeans don't see anything wrong with that and native indians are veeery stereotypical portrays too. Ethnicity and nationality is more sensitive topic in other parts of World that reflects their country's history. I can name few songs from war time that are banned from radio here, because they're offensive to Russians. Then something like homosexuality is portrayed in very negative light in Nollywood films, I think I have seen only gay rapists in those films which would be big no for a Hollywood film, and insulting church and God is probably worst you possibly could do. I'd guess their logic with censoring video games comes from something like since you're playing a character in it you're more involved in the story thus more harmful. Also because they're more mainstream than animanga even there. Sorry this debate is a bit too on and off for me to want to continue with it. I agree with some of what you say, I'm against any kind of censorship, so I do think censoring history is pretty problematic, but there's other areas that don't get censored so I don't agree with the "puritanical" definition. We'll agree to agree on some, disagree on others, and call it a day. |
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