| I'm not crazy about either tbh. I don't hate them or think they're anywhere as bad as other people say but they're not great, even in comparison to other Shounen Jump long-runners. Honestly, I put the big three all on the same level in terms of story, characters and plot overall. No one is really better than the other since they all invoke the same feelings- for me at least. If I had to pick one however, it'd most definitely be Bleach. It has better character designs, music and fights and Ichigo is nowhere near as annoying as Naruto and Luffy (I do like Luffy but sometimes his stupidity is grating as hell). I also think Rukia is a better heroine than Sakura. Bleach is pretty much a double-edged sword though because it has/had potential to be insanely good, but that potential doesn't seem to be fully realised, even early on (I dropped it around the Soul Society arc). I think giving Ichigo a solid goal, or doing something with Aizen- maybe some moral ambiguity- would've done wonders for the story. I might actually try to watch it again though if I'm in the mood for a long-running series though. I just don't think Tite Kubo's style suits long-running series, Bleach would've been much better if it were half the length it actually is. In fact, very few series get away with being long and not doing really anything to develop their casts throughout the overarching plot. Only stuff like Gintama and JoJo can do that, and they get leeway because they're episodic and generational. You really can't introduce a huge story line and adventure that lasts ages, yet gives no payoff in way of conclusion or characters. You'll leave your audience behind and I'm pretty sure that's why Bleach gets so much stick. On the flip side, not all character development is good development. I absolutely hate it when an annoying asshat of a character has a really tragic past as if to justify their actions. It'd be much more interesting if that wasn't the case- kind of like Bakugou from My Hero Academia or Meruem from HxH. All in all though, I'd still take Bleach over Naruto. |
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| @Manaban Literally I don't think it's that hard. I think one show is better for my own reasons and literally it's opinionated like I said. I don't think anything is objectively "Good" I really think quality is in the eye of the viewer. Viewers see things and depending on them might appreciate or dislike it. I don't like how @Darek is acting like i'm ignorant for bringing up subjectivity. I'm not saying that I can't be wrong because it's my opinion, but more or so I either disagree with the counter-points or I think so because of these reasons and @Darek seems to not know what i'm talking about when discussing the events transpiring in the series. When saying that something I don't like is trash is because of an ego is ignorant of the person themselves. People don't like ideas either because it's bad or just something about it they don't like. It's simple as that and I don't like shows because I find them bad in my own opinion, but if someone said it was good and have their own reason then I can understand why they find it good. Thats subjectivity literally one stating how they feel as we come from different places and have different ideas and different desires. I bring up Subjectivity because this is literally my opinion and some people may not find a problem with what I have an issue with and it is a personal issue as literally thats apart of the point, but to separate "Personal Issues" and "Flaws" is just ignorant. What the fuck is a flaw then? I need to know. |
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| @Halpher To be honest, I don't really care about your reasons for liking one show I've just recently started and another I haven't even seen. I also don't care much about your argument with Darek. I just don't like that argument so I challenged it. I'm definitely not going to side with somebody who tried to counter an argument with "it's just my opinion," though, if I can be honest. That's not even really much of anything and if your response is just going to be something dismissing a counter argument because of what's a pretty clearly discernible fact that it's just your opinion, then I don't know why you even tried to put it out there on a discussion board, frankly. No shit, it's your opinion. Your opinion isn't special and it can be challenged once you put it out there in public to be discussed. I don't see how that's relevant. |
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Manaban said: @Halpher To be honest, I don't really care about your reasons for liking one show I've just recently started and another I haven't even seen. I also don't care much about your argument with Darek. I just don't like that argument so I challenged it. I'm definitely not going to side with somebody who tried to counter an argument with "it's just my opinion," though, if I can be honest. That's not even really much of anything and if your response is just going to be something dismissing a counter argument because of what's a pretty clearly discernible fact that it's just your opinion, then I don't know why you even tried to put it out there on a discussion board, frankly. No shit, it's your opinion. Your opinion isn't special and it can be challenged once you put it out there in public to be discussed. My argument was never "It's my opinion" it's just I was being poorly misrepresented and it led to me saying that to make them fully clear on what I am doing. |
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Halpher said: Manaban said: @Halpher To be honest, I don't really care about your reasons for liking one show I've just recently started and another I haven't even seen. I also don't care much about your argument with Darek. I just don't like that argument so I challenged it. I'm definitely not going to side with somebody who tried to counter an argument with "it's just my opinion," though, if I can be honest. That's not even really much of anything and if your response is just going to be something dismissing a counter argument because of what's a pretty clearly discernible fact that it's just your opinion, then I don't know why you even tried to put it out there on a discussion board, frankly. No shit, it's your opinion. Your opinion isn't special and it can be challenged once you put it out there in public to be discussed. My argument was never "It's my opinion" it's just I was being poorly misrepresented and it led to me saying that to make them fully clear on what I am doing. I think Darek was pretty spot on initially about your arguments in the OP essentially being that "Bleach does things differently, but it just so happen that I like this different more so it is obviously better." and that basically being a non-criticism. Your ideas were just saying things like "Bleach is more mature so it has to be better." Then you tried to counter that with a line from your OP about how "it's all opinionated" or whatever, so your counter-argument really was kind of...what you're telling me it's not right now. I just didn't care about the discussion you want to have about both series because actually discussing either of those series is pretty much currently beyond my grasp. I've seen 20 episodes of Bleach and a whopping 0 of Naruto. Once it became a matter of being able to separate enjoyment from quality, I've actually got thoughts on that, so I joined in. |
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RandomFacepalm said: First of all don't get me wrong I LOVE like crazy. The one distinct feature that Naruto has and Bleach does not is the character development. There isn't as much character development in Bleach compared to Naruto. What we see with Ichigo is nearly stale character that does not change in his maturity over time. Naruto grows up from being a complete idiot to being someone who knows how to use his brain in battle. You also see his surrounding companions grow up along with him. That character development + the time as you grow up watching this makes it one of the most memorable anime. He fails and tries again. You don't see that as much in Bleach. First of all Naruto's character development? What they did was use characters they never actually put attention on and then bring up random flashbacks and expects you to care. Like Choji when fight Edo Tensei Asuma since they didn't build up their relationship in Part 1 what they did was use Flashbacks in part 2 that go back to Part 1 and you think "When did this happen" Also the flashbacks were funny as hell as they are always sad backstories over stupid sh*t. Choji AGAIN! His in part 1 when fighting one of the sound 4 was because he was bad at hide & seek While in Bleach this "No-Character Development" series had Byakuya fight Ichigo and after Byakuya admitted defeat stated he made promises with his dead parents and his wife Which conflicts with each other 1. Which his dead parents told him to follow the rules 2. His dead wife who is the sister of Rukia wanted him to protect Rukia Ichigo told Byakuya this classic line "I'll just do what I feel is right" And Byakuya just thought about that....They had a conversation and Ichigo ain't shame him as Ichigo understood where he was coming from. Byakuya then protects Rukia from dying..... But hey that isn't character development |
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Manaban said: Halpher said: My argument was never "It's my opinion" it's just I was being poorly misrepresented and it led to me saying that to make them fully clear on what I am doing. I think Darek was pretty spot on initially about your arguments in the OP essentially being that "Bleach does things differently, but it just so happen that I like this different more so it is obviously better." and that basically being a non-criticism. Your ideas were just saying things like "Bleach is more mature so it has to be better." I just didn't care about the discussion because actually discussing either of those series is pretty much currently beyond my grasp. Once it became a matter of being able to separate enjoyment from quality, I've actually got thoughts on that, so I joined in. Wait.....Bleach being mature made it better? Ok.....mainly I was saying what Bleach did better than Naruto as comparing both shows People say Naruto is more complex and all this BS while it has all this dumb BS People say Ichigo is a stale character and that Bleach has no story and all this BS Thats why I said it |
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| They both became less enjoyable with Bleaches Aizen arc and Naruto's great ninja war arc . I'm sorry but they both got way too dragged out. |
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Halpher said: Manaban said: I think Darek was pretty spot on initially about your arguments in the OP essentially being that "Bleach does things differently, but it just so happen that I like this different more so it is obviously better." and that basically being a non-criticism. Your ideas were just saying things like "Bleach is more mature so it has to be better." I just didn't care about the discussion because actually discussing either of those series is pretty much currently beyond my grasp. Once it became a matter of being able to separate enjoyment from quality, I've actually got thoughts on that, so I joined in. Wait.....Bleach being mature made it better? Ok.....mainly I was saying what Bleach did better than Naruto as comparing both shows People say Naruto is more complex and all this BS while it has all this dumb BS People say Ichigo is a stale character and that Bleach has no story and all this BS Thats why I said it I don't know much about either series and I don't really have any opinion on what you're trying to tell me here and I won't have one until I've actually seen the two series. I only recently started Bleach because I found a nice NSFW pic of Orihime that I really liked, and I haven't even seen anything of Naruto. I can't really get into a meaty of a discussion about either series specifically, I can only join in the commentary that started your argument with Darek since it was largely out of the confines of discussion related to those two specific series. That said, it's easy to take your praise as "Bleach is better than Naruto because it's mature" when your first reason is literally, by you, summed up as: Bleach is actually more mature |
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Sasukeleep said: They both became less enjoyable with Bleaches Aizen arc and Naruto's great ninja war arc . I'm sorry but they both got way too dragged out. Not really what I want to focus on. I hear that all the time and I could make a easy theory. Most people watched the anime of both series and not the manga at the time. Bleach was full of filler that happened at the most inconvenient time. I never understand why no one really brings up the filler when they were watching both. I watched both series skipping filler so I'm judging both for what it's worth, but many here were watching it weekly possibly I am hearing stupid BS instead of actual points that could explain the loss of enjoyment. The criticism of Bleach is people trying to limit what you can do in a story, but really the ideas and concepts such as a Main Character with a goal isn't necessarily a bad thing it's all how it's executed. Gon found Ging...Now what? HXH should end because HXH is all about Gon finding Ging...WRONG! HXH is about a world full of Hunters and the adventures of Gon, Killua or anyone there. Thats literally a plot. It's like Keijo when people said it had no plot, but literally the MC is there to become a profressional and thats the plot I swear it's really petty |
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| Calm down there buddy... I didn't actually read the whole thing, but seeing you rebating every argument with such a high "passions" make it seems like bleach is entirely better.. I actually really love Bleach too, until the ending came.. And from my opinion itself: Bleach > Naruto In term of overall characters. But, I can't agree to this one: Halpher said: Did you not read my OP? Do you not understand the intentions of this? So being Useless = Bad Character? Orihime IS A HEALER! SHE ISN'T A FIGHTER! Also Bleach was going somewhere. You can't use the reason "she is a healer" For this. Because Sakura IS ALSO a HEALER. Yet she have the power to at least protect herself in the second half. And Naruto > Bleach In term of story progression. It end where it has to end. No cliffhanger nor complicated end. Of course it's all MY VERY HUMBLE OPINION |
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Manaban said: Halpher said: Wait.....Bleach being mature made it better? Ok.....mainly I was saying what Bleach did better than Naruto as comparing both shows People say Naruto is more complex and all this BS while it has all this dumb BS People say Ichigo is a stale character and that Bleach has no story and all this BS Thats why I said it I don't know much about either series and I don't really have any opinion on what you're trying to tell me here and I won't have one until I've actually seen the two series. I only recently started Bleach because I found a nice NSFW pic of Orihime that I really liked, and I haven't even seen anything of Naruto. I can't really get into a meaty of a discussion about either series specifically, I can only join in the commentary that started your argument with Darek since it was largely out of the confines of discussion related to those two specific series. That said, it's easy to take your praise as "Bleach is better than Naruto because it's mature" when your first reason is literally, by you, summed up as: Bleach is actually more mature I appreciate your honest and humble responses. I want you to draw your own conclusions, but I said in the OP there was more, but I felt this was getting to long. I could've talked about the lack of World Building Naruto had as it's literally about Ninjas traveling. I could talk how Naive Naruto's ideas were and how experienced Ninjas were kissing his ass despite the idea being stupid. All this goes into Naruto being immature, but I have seen immature stuff and it really made sense of it's immaturity, but Naruto didn't...it tried to pass it off as reasonable or realistic that everyone holding hands, screaming peace and not dealing with threats that put everyone at harm is "Deep" I found it stupid. Sasuke is a Rogue...why would the Leaf Village war over a Rogue who has been affiliated with a organization that has attacked a village you are in a alliance with? Why would the Sand not chase down the people who killed their leader with the Leaf? The Leaf were chasing the Akatsuki down and the Sand didn't help them even though THEY WENT AND INFILTRATED THE SAND AND ATTACKED THEIR LEADER AND WON INFRONT OF EVERYONE IN THE VILLAGE AND THE VILLAGE DIDN'T HELP HIM (They did in the anime, but not the manga) and in the anime they were useless, but props to the anime for trying. The 3rd Hokage got killed by Orochimaru and The Leaf didn't hunt Orochimaru down and raid his ass Instead they do nothing and he is allowed back in the village....... I swear to god this shit is fucking stupid and Naruto tries to be philosophical hence why maturity plays a big factor because the ideas it has are naive and one-sided instead of exploring multiple views to it, but thats just me. |
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Halpher said: Sasukeleep said: They both became less enjoyable with Bleaches Aizen arc and Naruto's great ninja war arc . I'm sorry but they both got way too dragged out. Not really what I want to focus on. I hear that all the time and I could make a easy theory. Most people watched the anime of both series and not the manga at the time. Bleach was full of filler that happened at the most inconvenient time. I never understand why no one really brings up the filler when they were watching both. I watched both series skipping filler so I'm judging both for what it's worth, but many here were watching it weekly possibly I am hearing stupid BS instead of actual points that could explain the loss of enjoyment. The criticism of Bleach is people trying to limit what you can do in a story, but really the ideas and concepts such as a Main Character with a goal isn't necessarily a bad thing it's all how it's executed. Gon found Ging...Now what? HXH should end because HXH is all about Gon finding Ging...WRONG! HXH is about a world full of Hunters and the adventures of Gon, Killua or anyone there. Thats literally a plot. It's like Keijo when people said it had no plot, but literally the MC is there to become a profressional and thats the plot I swear it's really petty Dude ichigo became OP AF. It made every other character feel completely useless, that is not good story telling. Bleach has flaws stop trying to make Bleach sound like a damn masterpiece when it's not. Did I enjoy watching it? yea. Would I rewatch it again, yea. Is it a masterpiece? No. Oh and let's not forget about the actual ending of bleach. You cant seriously think that half baked ending was good? |
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Meira_Eve said: Calm down there buddy... I didn't actually read the whole thing, but seeing you rebating every argument with such a high "passions" make it seems like bleach is entirely better.. I actually really love Bleach too, until the ending came.. And from my opinion itself: Bleach > Naruto In term of overall characters. But, I can't agree to this one: Halpher said: Did you not read my OP? Do you not understand the intentions of this? So being Useless = Bad Character? Orihime IS A HEALER! SHE ISN'T A FIGHTER! Also Bleach was going somewhere. You can't use the reason "she is a healer" For this. Because Sakura IS ALSO a HEALER. Yet she have the power to at least protect herself in the second half. And Naruto > Bleach In term of story progression. It end where it has to end. No cliffhanger nor complicated end. Of course it's all MY VERY HUMBLE OPINION I can use Orihime is a Healer as Orihime can't choose what Power she'll have. Orihime is human and humans in Bleach are inferior to Soul Reapers. Sakura in Naruto chose to be a ninja...it's all about "Context" Sakura chose to be a ninja and be useless many times and stupid knowing that ninjas put their life on the line. If Sakura chose to be a medical corp and was only a healer I wouldn't be mad actually because she is a healer... However the Show LIKE I SAID wants to hype her up as a legendary ninja Bleach didn't do that to Orihime |
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Sasukeleep said: Halpher said: Not really what I want to focus on. I hear that all the time and I could make a easy theory. Most people watched the anime of both series and not the manga at the time. Bleach was full of filler that happened at the most inconvenient time. I never understand why no one really brings up the filler when they were watching both. I watched both series skipping filler so I'm judging both for what it's worth, but many here were watching it weekly possibly I am hearing stupid BS instead of actual points that could explain the loss of enjoyment. The criticism of Bleach is people trying to limit what you can do in a story, but really the ideas and concepts such as a Main Character with a goal isn't necessarily a bad thing it's all how it's executed. Gon found Ging...Now what? HXH should end because HXH is all about Gon finding Ging...WRONG! HXH is about a world full of Hunters and the adventures of Gon, Killua or anyone there. Thats literally a plot. It's like Keijo when people said it had no plot, but literally the MC is there to become a profressional and thats the plot I swear it's really petty Dude ichigo became OP AF. It made every other character feel completely useless, that is not good story telling. Bleach has flaws stop trying to make Bleach sound like a damn masterpiece when it's not. Did I enjoy watching it? yea. Would I rewatch it again, yea. Is it a masterpiece? No. Oh and let's not forget about the actual ending of bleach. You cant seriously think that half baked ending was good? Please scroll up and read my other replies because your reply here is so unaware of so much. For the 5th time...and you ignored my reply like entirely and focused on the fact i'm defending it. I never said Bleach was a masterpiece and I even stated in this forum that I had issues with it, but you ignored that. I didn't finish Bleach as i'm around Chapter 600 and I had issues with it, but again the forum is literally Bleach > Naruto as I'm making a case that Bleach is better. No one here addresses the criticisms directed at Naruto, but focus on coming at Bleach. I literally stated that Filler could be a factor. Also every other character is useless? Have you seen Yammato? Have you seem Gremy? Have you seen Aizen? Ichigo I don't know how strong he is yet as I haven't seen, but literally other characters weren't even useless from where I am. Tell me what Character is useless except the Main-Cast Sado because Chad as a reply stated did become irrelevant and Orihime who again isn't a fighter and i say that because of context comparing Sakura to her. Also it ties into character as Orihime didn't choose to become a Ninja, but Sakura did. Orihime tried to train and her powers were new and no one knew what her power was and how it worked. Orihime and Chad's powers weren't something that many understood as Aizen saw it was something more. Unohana said the same thing. Orihime never liked a guy who tried to fucking kill her twice and make babies with him. She liked a guy who gave his brother peace. Orihime wouldn't want to become a ninja anyway while Sakura did even qualified and attacking people for being stupid while not looking at herself and literally willing to put herself through danger for a cry she only likes because he is cool. I swear to god people don't understand the difference and why I hate Sakura and don't have a problem with Orihime. But seriously what Character was useless? Everyone was useless against Aizen and even Ichigo was about to fucking lose and to this day many loved that Aizen vs Ichigo fight as that isn't negating what you said. I have many shows that I like more than Bleach and Bleach isn't perfect, but it's better than Naruto which is point |
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Halpher said: Also it ties into character as Orihime didn't choose to become a Ninja, but Sakura did. Orihime tried to train and her powers were new and no one knew what her power was and how it worked. Orihime and Chad's powers weren't something that many understood as Aizen saw it was something more. Unohana said the same thing. Orihime never liked a guy who tried to fucking kill her twice and make babies with him. She liked a guy who gave his brother peace. Orihime wouldn't want to become a ninja anyway while Sakura did even qualified and attacking people for being stupid while not looking at herself and literally willing to put herself through danger for a cry she only likes because he is cool. I swear to god people don't understand the difference and why I hate Sakura and don't have a problem with Orihime. It's called being bias. Having an unknown power and not know how it works is called asspull power. It becomes convenient when needed because it can literally do anything the author wants with it, which is clearly shown being the strongest plot armor as she can reverse all damage done to the point of restoring limbs and healing near dead people. Sakura isn't plot armor broken like her with her heals. Both characters whine and cry, please don't act as if Orihime doesn't. Orihime didn't choose to be a ninja? What? Then enlighten me why she chose to go with Ichigo at all in the first place knowing full well she didn't have the capabilities to fight? That's because she choose to it. She chose her path as did Sakura. Please try again. And before you start assuming shit about me, I preferred and rated Bleach higher than Naruto. It's just the crap you're spouting is so contradicting, it hurts to read. |
| @Darek Hm. When you started rattling off about separating quality from enjoyment, I assumed you were following what seems to be the critical consensus of what's good or not and then just vacantly applying that to whatever, so a lot of my arguments were rooted in that assumption. What metric you use to determine whether or not something's "quality," then? How do you go about mitigating your own bias in your assessments to be fair? If you're not using the measurements I've seen people like Fvl or whoever apply to pretty much everything they come across, then what are you using? |
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| Bleach would've been better if it could have improved itself and the story with character motivation towards Ichigo and a goal possibly. Naruto does fall, it genuinely stumbles pretty damn hard in it's second half but it stays on a level of OKAY while Bleach just fumbles and doesn't even attempt to finish the story it planned or any of the ideas it desired to finish. Not even the basic but genius idea of the bankai gets worked out. |
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Paul said: Halpher said: Also it ties into character as Orihime didn't choose to become a Ninja, but Sakura did. Orihime tried to train and her powers were new and no one knew what her power was and how it worked. Orihime and Chad's powers weren't something that many understood as Aizen saw it was something more. Unohana said the same thing. Orihime never liked a guy who tried to fucking kill her twice and make babies with him. She liked a guy who gave his brother peace. Orihime wouldn't want to become a ninja anyway while Sakura did even qualified and attacking people for being stupid while not looking at herself and literally willing to put herself through danger for a cry she only likes because he is cool. I swear to god people don't understand the difference and why I hate Sakura and don't have a problem with Orihime. It's called being bias. Having an unknown power and not know how it works is called asspull power. It becomes convenient when needed because it can literally do anything the author wants with it, which is clearly shown being the strongest plot armor as she can reverse all damage done to the point of restoring limbs and healing near dead people. Sakura isn't plot armor broken like her with her heals. Both characters whine and cry, please don't act as if Orihime doesn't. Orihime didn't choose to be a ninja? What? Then enlighten me why she chose to go with Ichigo at all in the first place knowing full well she didn't have the capabilities to fight? That's because she choose to it. She chose her path as did Sakura. Please try again. And before you start assuming shit about me, I preferred and rated Bleach higher than Naruto. It's just the crap you're spouting is so contradicting, it hurts to read. *sigh* I keep saying context. Ichigo cried, Killua cried, Many Characters cry, but it’s not that they cry that annoy me it’s the context and I have kept stating this. Call me bias I don’t care I understand why I prefer Orihime over Sakura Orihime did agree to go with Ichigo But they all knew she was the healer and anyone that says that Sakura is to is ignoring circumstances Sakura literally was built up to be something bigger than a Healer as so as Tsunade Orihime went with Ichigo to Help in the process of rescuing Rukia Orihime was training at the beginning of the Arrancar arc and before she could do anything was interrupted by Aizen being interested in her power. No one as I said again training her understood her power. Orihime was crying BECAUSE ICHIGO FUCKING DIED HIS DEAD FUCKING BODY WAS INFRONT OF HER Sakura cried for a guy who ain’t treat do shit for her It’s called context I don’t hate characters who cry As the context really shows off how a character’s character really is. Orihime had to constantly watch Ichigo get hurt Die TWICE! Get out of here Infact in the Soul Society Arc She cried because she wished she could’ve done more to help as she saw Ichigo do alot It’s the context And whats next? Orihime and Sakura aren’t the same character Orihime is more clumsy and innocent and kind While Sakura is more hot-boiled like Kushina I never seen Orihime fight Rukia even though she was jealous of her of how she affected Ichigo She still respected Rukia She still was kind to Rukia She still appreciated Rukia for helping Ichigo You keep thinking the crying is what dictates a character It’s how they interact to others React in situations And they present themselves Orihime is literally not bad at all I keep hearing shes useless When she’s literally a Healer It’s like Squad 4 in Bleach who suck at Combat, but specialize in Healing If I see one on the battlefield I don’t expect them to win a fight and I won’t call them useless because literally the show isn’t telling me anything else, but their healers It’s like the medical corp in Naruto Tsunade was Hokage she was held to a higher standard Naruto expected me to believe that Tsunade could really do shit to Madara If someone sent a healer and the healer couldn’t heal I’ll call them useless If Sakura is supposef to be this legend like the next Tsunade She has to do more than heal And Sakura even if she was useful Is still a shitty character to me because theres more to it than power It’s character She was a bitch to Naruto She hindered the Team In Part 2 she got stronger as she did show great things in the Kazekage arc healing Kankuro And making an antidote against a poison She in the Sasuke retrieval healed Naruto, but when in the 5 Kage Summit she was all on this Sasukr bullshit Her character was annoying When she punched Naruto in the head after HE FOUGHT PAIN THE MAN WHO DESTROYED YOUR VILLAGE WE GOT PROBLEMS! WHEN MARRIES THE CRIMINAL WHO TRIED TO KILL YOU TWICE MAKE BABIES WITH HIM YOU A BEYOND STUPID WHEN YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAUGHT UP TO NARUTO AND SASUKE JUST CUZ U GOT A DIAMOND ON YOUR FOREHEAD I DIE LAUGHING WHEN YOU GOT KAKASHI TRYING TO DEFEND HER TO SASUKE SAYING SHE LOVED YOU.... I CAN’T! She was willing to go rogue for Sasuke She was willing to leave the village with him at the end of the series For the love of god Tell me what interaction between her and Sasuke happened to have this make sense? Because I seen Naruto and there was none in Part 1 And Sasuke was never with her in Part 2 Sakura is trash Orihime isn’t even like this yet the hate is confusing All I hear is “Kurosaki Kun” and “Useless” AND ICHIGO IS GETTING HIS ASS DESTROYED! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT HER TO DO AGAINST A ARRANCAR WHO IS OP AS SHIT!? |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
ayeflied said: I am sorry but i don't even need to read this (edit: even though i did) to state how wrong you are. out of every big name of the shounen world out there (one piece, naruto, hunter x hunter, fairy tail and so on) bleach is by far the worst. the reason for this is that it manages to pull off more ridiculous deus ex machinas than fairy tail with it's friendship power bullcrap. However, fairy tail is funny and self-aware of it's lack of seriousness, that makes the nakama power-ups worth for at least a good laugh. The arc where Inoue is kidnapped is the only one worth watching, and only because Inoue adds some interesting tension on that part. The rest is just bad, including fights. My final take on this is: Just watch One Piece. Tell me these “Deus Ex Machina” right now. List them. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| You clearly need to set your priorities straight since the reason you hate one character is the same reason you like the other. The amount of nitpicking you're doing is basically that of a blind fanboy trying to justify his favorites by looking down and turning a blind eye to any kind of fact. |
PaulOct 28, 2017 9:05 PM
Halpher said: wait, did you forgot that Orihime's six flower petals does have a very useful attack power? Yet she is trapped in "hurting others" complex. So she is also not entirely a healer just like Sakura. Meira_Eve said: Calm down there buddy... I didn't actually read the whole thing, but seeing you rebating every argument with such a high "passions" make it seems like bleach is entirely better.. I actually really love Bleach too, until the ending came.. And from my opinion itself: Bleach > Naruto In term of overall characters. But, I can't agree to this one: You can't use the reason "she is a healer" For this. Because Sakura IS ALSO a HEALER. Yet she have the power to at least protect herself in the second half. And Naruto > Bleach In term of story progression. It end where it has to end. No cliffhanger nor complicated end. Of course it's all MY VERY HUMBLE OPINION I can use Orihime is a Healer as Orihime can't choose what Power she'll have. Orihime is human and humans in Bleach are inferior to Soul Reapers. Sakura in Naruto chose to be a ninja...it's all about "Context" Sakura chose to be a ninja and be useless many times and stupid knowing that ninjas put their life on the line. If Sakura chose to be a medical corp and was only a healer I wouldn't be mad actually because she is a healer... However the Show LIKE I SAID wants to hype her up as a legendary ninja Bleach didn't do that to Orihime And if it's about context, then Orihime is also the same.. She chose to get involved in shinigami's affairs, and in the end became a drag at some point. And about the show.. I don't know about it because I didn't feel it. Since if I heard "legendary ninja in Naruto", then my mind would go to either Hashirama or Madara himself instead of Sakura.. Lol XD |
I'm starting to get embarrassed by my own forum signature line.. XD |
Meira_Eve said: Halpher said: wait, did you forgot that Orihime's six flower petals does have a very useful attack power? Yet she is trapped in "hurting others" complex. So she is also not entirely a healer just like Sakura. I can use Orihime is a Healer as Orihime can't choose what Power she'll have. Orihime is human and humans in Bleach are inferior to Soul Reapers. Sakura in Naruto chose to be a ninja...it's all about "Context" Sakura chose to be a ninja and be useless many times and stupid knowing that ninjas put their life on the line. If Sakura chose to be a medical corp and was only a healer I wouldn't be mad actually because she is a healer... However the Show LIKE I SAID wants to hype her up as a legendary ninja Bleach didn't do that to Orihime And if it's about context, then Orihime is also the same.. She chose to get involved in shinigami's affairs, and in the end became a drag at some point. And about the show.. I don't know about it because I didn't feel it. Since if I heard "legendary ninja in Naruto", then my mind would go to either Hashirama or Madara himself instead of Sakura.. Lol XD So you’re using Orihime’s attack as some sort of way to say she isn’t entirely a healer? When has her six petals done anything? Tell me... Thats just being petty to find any offense and call her more than a healwr And you’re focused on this even though I stated way much more than this. Rin and Sakura are different Rin is a healer, but she is a liability as we know shes the medic as the show pushes, but even it just makes me question why Healers are there in war if they are such a liability It doesn’t make me hate Rin More of the Leaf Also Rin still became a ninja and she isn’t ready for hand-to hand combat I think why the Leaf think it’s a great idea to have a Healer who isn’t specialized in combat to be involved? And before Sakura is mentioned The Series tried to play her to be bigger than something she isn’t She has different standards than Orihime Thats why she has different standards It’s like how Madara is played up to be a god, but instead of being OP he is weak Compared to little Naruto who is at 1st weak, but no one had an issue because the show didn’t pretend he was a God yet. It’s callec Context Origime is literally a healer While Sakura is supposed to the next Tsunade Who can heal, but do other shit No one sees Tsunade losing to Asuma Because Tsunade is a “Legendary Sannin” My god it’s not that hard Like seriously Leaf has healers, but none of them are hyped up as Sakura |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| Seriously, grow up. It's 2017, the year of romcoms & stuff. Even animes like Shakugan no Shana, or Zero no Tsukaima aren't seen that much now. |
| Ok, but One Piece > Both of them, though. lol |
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Halpher said: Like what? You do know his Rankings is BS because for one his entire video is him stating his opinion and not actually explaining why it failed. I can easily assume his audience is from the West and not from Japan because his rankings is BASED from Japan due to how Manga is distributed from here to there What Person in the West or anywhere except Japan was reading Bleach in 2005? Who was reading Bleach in 2001? DO you know JoJo was ranked #1 in 2004 yet no one in the West knew about JoJo? How are you going to use Japanese based Rankings to explain to the West why it went down in popularity WHEN IT'S RANKED BY CHAPTER AND NOT BY ARC!? it's ranked every 7 issues earlier so week 7's ranking is the ranking accumulated from Week 1 Eyepatch didn't do any research and just spoke out of his ass Literally if Bleach was on the front page then it wouldn't be ranked because Front Pages aren't usually ranked Add on to the fact when he said Bleach was being pushed back One issue was in 2006 with Ichigo pushed back and Bleach was in the top 3 Also many issues don't show the top shows in the front page all the time It's just bullshit after bullshit The Japanese Audience is something unknown to me It's WSJ's ranking, it's not BS and it's the one that matter because popularity in the west doesn't decide whether the anime gets canceled, popularity in Japan does. Besides that he shows how Bleach lost originality, became repetitive and lost it's design quality after Soul Society arc. |
| By the end of the series Bleach's plotholes were so fucking big, you could've landed a plane in them. Naruto was bad, but not this bad. |
| I hate both to be honest , both are average at best. But bleach has better characters qo it wins |
  "elles sont bien noires les pensées des nuits blanches"  |
| LMAO. This Thread gives bleachtards meaning in life again. Naruto is bad, Bleach is worse. Case closed. |
nymi said: Both of them are crap. I cant believe people are still debating about this clursterfuck shounens. I mean this is basically my opinion. |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
| Well did Screwattack's deathbattle inspire you to make this thread or some thing? Bleach has made a nosedive waay faster than Naruto did but Soul society arc was better than any of Naruto's arcs. And that is coming from someone who dislikes both equally. |
| Prime Bleach (first two arcs basically) > Naruto yeah. But after the Rukia arc, Bleach becomes a joke and Naruto takes the W easily |
| Welp at least we all know One Piece and HxH > Bleach and Naruto. |
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Jare4lopez said: even so Chitogue's fucking better than Onodera , I don't care if Ichigo loves Renji Chitogue's better , man , and you've got to deal with it! Nope, Onodera all the way, not even a debate. Takamura-sama said: nymi said: Both of them are crap. I cant believe people are still debating about this clursterfuck shounens. I mean this is basically my opinion. Says the guy with Natsu as his profile pic. In my opinion Fairy tail is like cancer compared to either of those two. |
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-SP- said: Jare4lopez said: even so Chitogue's fucking better than Onodera , I don't care if Ichigo loves Renji Chitogue's better , man , and you've got to deal with it! Nope, Onodera all the way, not even a debate. Says the guy with Natsu as his profile pic. In my opinion Fairy tail is like cancer compared to either of those two. Fairy Tail is good lol. way better than NAruto and bleach combined x 1000 |
| In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
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